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Helen Miles - 20 Jul 2006 23:06 GMT
Tiger had to go to the emergency vet tonight as he has been unwell
again. He's on the mend now, but has quite a number of mouth ulcers
which is stopping his from having a good appetite....

Anyway, Tiger aside (he's OK) whilst we were there, as the practice is
also the Cardiff Exotic pet practice, a guy brought in a stray baby
ferret. It was very cute, and he had found it wandering along the
street. So.... I aked the vet nurse what would happen to it. She said
that it would be kept for 24/48 hours for an owner to try to get in
touch, and then it would be PTS on orders of the RSPCA as they don't
bother to rehome them - the vet practice tries, but never has much
luck...

She (I think it was a she) *WAS VERY* sweet....... (you can see where
this is going, no?)

*ANYway*... I am going to talk to the exotic vet tomorrow afternoon. He
apparently adores ferrets, and is the best person to *advise* me on
keeping a ferret. To be fair, I know f*ck all about ferrets and have
been frantically reading up on the internet. Anyone know anything about
ferrets? It's likely to be on its way home on Saturday.....

Helen M (who would rather give a home than see it PTS for being a
ferret)
Christina Websell - 20 Jul 2006 23:23 GMT
> Tiger had to go to the emergency vet tonight as he has been unwell
> again. He's on the mend now, but has quite a number of mouth ulcers
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> Helen M (who would rather give a home than see it PTS for being a
> ferret)

I've kept ferrets a few years ago, managed to rear an orphaned litter, but I
wouldn't describe myself as an expert.  I know quite a bit though so ask
away.  I  might know something useful that could help/

Tweed
Helen Miles - 21 Jul 2006 00:04 GMT
> I've kept ferrets a few years ago, managed to rear an orphaned litter, but I
> wouldn't describe myself as an expert.  I know quite a bit though so ask
> away.  I  might know something useful that could help/
>
> Tweed///

Thanks... the general idea at the moment is to keep it in a very large
wooden hutch in a very sheltered & cool spot near the back door during
the summer and then bringing it indoors during the winter months.

I've heard that they make good house pets, but at the moment I think if
I tried to introduce a ferret into the household I'd have a mass exodus
by the cats!

This is what I know/discovered so far....

They need to be fed a very high protien/high fat diet as they have a
very fast metabolism - High quality kitten kibble such as Eukaneuba is
OK.
They sleep for about 20 hours a day and are most active at dawn and
dust.
They are very friendly and fun, curious, mischevious creatures if
handled a lot and socialised properly
They can be litter trained
They don't like sleeping on the floor
They need to be neutered or spayed - if females are not spayed it can b
life threatening if they are not mated.
They live for 10-12 years (YIKES!)

My main question is, is a wooden hutch/cage secure enough to keep
ferrets in?

Thanks - I really do know bog all about ferrets....

Helen M
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 21 Jul 2006 00:27 GMT
> This is what I know/discovered so far....

> They need to be fed a very high protien/high fat diet as they have a
> very fast metabolism - High quality kitten kibble such as Eukaneuba is
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> life threatening if they are not mated.
> They live for 10-12 years (YIKES!)

I hear (actually, I've seen, on TV shows) that they can also be quite
destructive to your home with all the playing and exploring they do. You
might want to find out what you can do to ferret-proof your house.

I didn't realize that not mating during heat (or whatever it is called
for ferrets) could be life-threatening for a female. I mean, sometimes
sexual frustration is bad enough that it *feels* life-threatening... :)
But I never thought it would be literally true.

Joyce
Mischief - 21 Jul 2006 01:07 GMT
I've want to ger a ferret too come time in the future, but i don't
think i will, cause i know my cats would be FURIOUS.  Heck they were
quite put out when i had the bittes here and that was only for three
and a half days.  Also right now there's NO way i could deal with
another pet.  Even when i get a house someday, three cats is going to
be plenty.

purrs that things will work out.

Kristi

Oh, by the way, Ferrets are extremly mischievous.  They like to steal
car keys, food, sparkly things and hoard them somewhere. Once at a
summer camp a woman had two ferrets.  As I was petting one the other
climbed up my backpack. UNZIPPED it and disappeared inside.  When he
came out he had his teeth clamped firmly on a Rice Crispie treat and
walked back into his carrier with it.  Then he returned, and dove back
into the backpack and this time came out with my keys.

Oh, and they bite. HARD
Jo Firey - 21 Jul 2006 02:00 GMT
> I've want to ger a ferret too come time in the future, but i don't
> think i will, cause i know my cats would be FURIOUS.  Heck they were
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>
> Oh, and they bite. HARD

By comparison, cats are trainable.  And Bev's Bonnie is a sweet little girl.

Jo
Cheryl - 21 Jul 2006 01:14 GMT
Congrats! I know very little about ferrets, though I know our local
shelter takes them in often. Maybe because people find out they are
more high maintenance than was expected?  I think they're adorable.
I'd love a couple of them!

> This is what I know/discovered so far....
>
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> They can be litter trained
> They don't like sleeping on the floor

I watch a TV show on Sat mornings called "Pet Keeping" and the guy
often gives tips about ferrets.  I think he's partial to exotic
pets. He says they are den animals, and a good bed/hideyhole is a
terracotta pot with the hole on the bottom made bigger with a drill
and a file, invert it so the ferrets can climb into it from the
top.  He demonstrated with his co-stars, and they seemed to like
it.

> They need to be neutered or spayed - if females are not spayed
> it can b life threatening if they are not mated.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Thanks - I really do know bog all about ferrets....

Good luck!

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Nanny - 21 Jul 2006 06:49 GMT
I have 5 cats and 5 ferrets. Two of the ferrets are chasing the cats, but on
the whole they can all live together and use each others toys.
Wood is not a great idea for a cage, as they're not always 100% litterbox
trained, and urine gets into the wood.
They have to have their playtime outside of the cage every day for a couple
of hours. Mine are only in the cage when I'm at work or in bed, as I don't
see them as typical cage animals, it's more for their own safety. They're
very intelligent, so they need to play and explore.
As you're taking in only one ferret you need to be her friend and playmate,
unless the cats will be. Some ferrets positively love cats and when that
happens the cat will probably be the friend they need. The best thing would
be to have her pick out a ferret friend in a shelter.......
You're right about the food, their metabolism is 4 hours. Don't give them
anything like fruit or veggies, they can cause a blockage very fast. They're
obligate carnivores, even more than cats.
In their cage they have to have at least some towels or other materials, and
they really love hammocks and sleeping sacks.
Most ferrets don't get to 10-12 years, as they're very susceptible to
insulinoma, adrenal tumors and lymphoma.

You're doing a great thing for that ferret, and I think you'll get to love
her very much !

Nanny

>> I've kept ferrets a few years ago, managed to rear an orphaned litter,
>> but I
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>
> Helen M

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Christina Websell - 21 Jul 2006 18:57 GMT
>> I've kept ferrets a few years ago, managed to rear an orphaned litter,
>> but I
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> wooden hutch in a very sheltered & cool spot near the back door during
> the summer and then bringing it indoors during the winter months.

It's not necessary to bring them inside in the winter as long as the hutch
has a small sleeping compartment which you can fill with warm bedding (I
used hay) and you cover the front up at night with a sack.

> I've heard that they make good house pets, but at the moment I think if
> I tried to introduce a ferret into the household I'd have a mass exodus
> by the cats!

I don't know how a ferret would get on in an established household of cats.
I probably wouldn't risk it.

> This is what I know/discovered so far....
>
> They need to be fed a very high protien/high fat diet as they have a
> very fast metabolism - High quality kitten kibble such as Eukaneuba is
> OK.

There is a dry ferret food available now.  This is quite a recent thing.
When I had mine I fed them on any roadkill I could find, chicken giblets
from inside a bought chicken, that sort of thing.  There was no food
commercially available for ferrets at that time.

> They sleep for about 20 hours a day and are most active at dawn and
> dust.

They do sleep a lot if they are bored.

> They are very friendly and fun, curious, mischevious creatures if
> handled a lot and socialised properly.

Yes.  They are really funny, they do that sideways bouncing and when let
loose they wander around saying "What, what, what, what?"

> They can be litter trained

I think they probably could as they always back into a corner of the room if
they need the toilet.

> They don't like sleeping on the floor

I don't know about this.

> They need to be neutered or spayed - if females are not spayed it can b
> life threatening if they are not mated.

Yes, females can die if they come in season and are not mated.  Don't ask me
why.  As for males, it's not necessary to neuter them if you can tolerate
their very strong musk smell.

> They live for 10-12 years (YIKES!)

Can do.  7-8 is average.

> My main question is, is a wooden hutch/cage secure enough to keep
> ferrets in?

They can't get out of wood, but the mesh on the front needs to be really
strong.  They can get out of chicken wire in a jiffy.  It needs to be strong
weldmesh, 1 inch size will do.

> Thanks - I really do know bog all about ferrets....

Here to help if you need me ;-)

Tweed
Kreisleriana - 21 Jul 2006 19:46 GMT
(snip)

>Yes.  They are really funny, they do that sideways bouncing and when let
>loose they wander around saying "What, what, what, what?"

Oh YES!  I love that about them.  It is so funny.  They sound like
distracted little people. ;)  

Rocky the ferret and his sister no longer live across the street from
me, but they were wonderfully entertaining neighbors.  Rocky's slave
used to say "Ferrets are for people who find kittens insufficiently
stimulating." ;)

Theresa
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Christina Websell - 21 Jul 2006 20:12 GMT
> (snip)
>
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> used to say "Ferrets are for people who find kittens insufficiently
> stimulating." ;)

I certainly miss mine.

Tweed
Helen Miles - 21 Jul 2006 20:28 GMT
> they were wonderfully entertaining neighbors.  Rocky's slave
> used to say "Ferrets are for people who find kittens insufficiently
> stimulating." ;)////

OH.MY.GOD!!! *WHAT* have I done?! ;o) I thought 6 months of Miss Lily
Whiskers going through her hellion hoolikitten stage would prepare
me.....obviously not! ;o)

Helen M
Karen - 21 Jul 2006 20:31 GMT
> > they were wonderfully entertaining neighbors.  Rocky's slave
> > used to say "Ferrets are for people who find kittens insufficiently
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Helen M

The last time I was around a ferret, my roommate at the playhouse had one. I
spent All. Night. Listening to the ferret shove his litter box (with a stone
in it to weight it down) from one end of a rather large (definitely more
than large enough for a ferret) kennel from one end to the other.
SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHUNK!! SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHUNK!!
SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHUNK!!      SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHUNK!!

It did not endear him to me.
Karen - 20 Jul 2006 23:25 GMT
> Tiger had to go to the emergency vet tonight as he has been unwell
> again. He's on the mend now, but has quite a number of mouth ulcers
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> Helen M (who would rather give a home than see it PTS for being a
> ferret)

Well, good luck! I know ferrets run cats a merry chase a lot of the
time. I don't know about if they aren't raised together, but I've seen
lots of cats and ferrets together and well, the cats are usually on the
losing end of games and rest is not for the wicked :D  One of my cat
vets specializes in ferrets too.  They are a bit lively for me, but
they are cute. And VERY playful (I think they put b*st*rd cat tricks to
shame).
Caroline S. - 21 Jul 2006 01:13 GMT
I had a friend in high school who had one or two. They are escape
artists, and unfortunately, both of hers got out somehow and were never
seen again. They can flatten themselves to wafer-thin dimensions.
While she had them though, they were quite fun. Her dog didn't much care
for them though. And even de-sexed they need to be bathed or they get
quite odiferous.

-Caroline S.

> Tiger had to go to the emergency vet tonight as he has been unwell
> again. He's on the mend now, but has quite a number of mouth ulcers
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> Helen M (who would rather give a home than see it PTS for being a
> ferret)
Fuga :o) - 21 Jul 2006 02:39 GMT
Purrs for  tiger.
I think ferrets are adorable!
Victor Martinez - 21 Jul 2006 04:03 GMT
> Helen M (who would rather give a home than see it PTS for being a
> ferret)

Absolutely! I would love to have a ferret, but I think Tom would divorce
me if I tried. :)

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Sam - 21 Jul 2006 04:33 GMT
> Tiger had to go to the emergency vet tonight as he has been unwell
> again. He's on the mend now, but has quite a number of mouth ulcers
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> Helen M (who would rather give a home than see it PTS for being a
> ferret)

I know diddly about ferrets, but best of luck!

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Kreisleriana - 21 Jul 2006 05:28 GMT
>Tiger had to go to the emergency vet tonight as he has been unwell
>again. He's on the mend now, but has quite a number of mouth ulcers
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>Helen M (who would rather give a home than see it PTS for being a
>ferret)

Whoa! Good luck indeed.  

Theresa
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Debbie Wilson - 21 Jul 2006 06:40 GMT
> *ANYway*... I am going to talk to the exotic vet tomorrow afternoon. He
> apparently adores ferrets, and is the best person to *advise* me on
> keeping a ferret. To be fair, I know f*ck all about ferrets and have
> been frantically reading up on the internet. Anyone know anything about
> ferrets? It's likely to be on its way home on Saturday.....

Only from what our ex-neighbour did, as she had two and we got to know
them quite well! She fed them basically on Tesco economy chicken wings
or legs (raw) - chuck one per ferret in every other day. They grab them
and take them off to be eaten or cached. If the cache builds up, you are
feeding too often. Also any creature unlucky enough to be brought back
dead by the cats went in - whole food is even better than chicken legs.
Water was provided via one of those bottle feeders that rabbits have.
She used to keep her first pair in a wooden hutch until the dog opened
the door and they escaped. So make sure it's dog-proof! (bolt on the
outside, etc). The second pair had much more of a des res which was a
small wooden wendy house. They had space to run around and climb, toys,
and sawdust on the floor. They do like a den - a wooden box in one
corner filled with shredded paper. They 'midden' - regularly use one
corner as a toilet. And they are incredibly cute - hers were very tame,
never bit and loved to be handled!

They weren't too hard to care for, really.

Good luck, I know you won't let him be PTS!

Deb x
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Nanny - 21 Jul 2006 06:51 GMT
Don't use sawdust ! It will give them respiratory problems. Same goes for
litter.

Nanny

>> *ANYway*... I am going to talk to the exotic vet tomorrow afternoon. He
>> apparently adores ferrets, and is the best person to *advise* me on
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>
> Deb x

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Aleks A.-Lessmann - 27 Jul 2006 09:18 GMT
>been frantically reading up on the internet. Anyone know anything about
>ferrets? It's likely to be on its way home on Saturday.....

I'm in no way an expert, but love the critters and therefore read tons
of information about them.

1.) Cats and ferrets may come to terms together BUT

2.) ferrets have one switch. On the one side there's OFF, on the other
"900 km/h". I.e. they are cute asleep and sleep a lot, but when awake
they are hell. Running, playing, running, causing havoc, running... You
get the picture.

3.) Best thing for them, you and the cats would be to have a room where
the ferrets can be all day. One room for the ferrets alone. Once a day
you could then bring ferrets and cats together in a controlled manner
and see how it develops. And neither the ferrets, nor the cats, nor your
home would be in grave danger.

4.) You can keep many ferrets together, as they are sociable animals,
and they can play (rough) with each other.

5.) Ferrets smell stronger than cats - it's a musky smell that in heavy
doses can unnerve.

That's in short the infos I gathered after talking with people who have
ferrets. After all the information I got, I decided that ferrets are not
for me ATM, but I certainly want to have some in time. For that I'll
need a bigger than I am right now.

BTW, there's alt.pets.ferrets (Troll infested, but the regulars are
great help) and rec.pets.ferrets (with almost no traffic). You may want
to sample the rec.pets.ferrets FAQ at least.

HTH
Aleks
 
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