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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / July 2006He doesn't like the s/d :-(
Sorry I haven't been posting much except about the Vino ordeal. Besides spending maximum possible time with Vino, I've got Dennis at home and have been trying to maximize time with him as well. Also, it's been bad timing because I've had to work 4 day weeks for the past 2 weeks. Anyway, we've been feeding Vino the prescribed s/d for 2 days now and he doesn't like it much. He only nibbles at it but 2 days later we have not even finished 1 can and have thrown much away at that. I wonder why he's being so picky, he's not usually a picky eater. I wonder if he's got bad associations with it because that's what they were trying to feed him at the vet's. We will keep trying of course, but I worry because he really needs to put some weight back on. For the first week that he was home, we just fed him regular Iams, to get him eating again. He did gain some weight on that, but should probably gain some more. I hope he resigns himself to the new food and eats it! If not, we can probably take the unused cans back and trade it for c/d (which we don't know if he will eat either), but the kibble is ours now, $50 worth. And the vet says that it's pointless to feed c/d canned with s/d kibble. He usually prefers canned but with this stuff, he seems to be preferring kibble (but not by much). I guess it's better than nothing, but ideally the kibble was supposed to just be daytime "filler". Aaargh!  SignatureBritta Purring is an automatic safety valve device for dealing with happiness overflow. Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album Just feed him the kibble if he will eat that. He does need to eat more to gain weight. Extra skritches from us. Lily & her mama SignatureIrulan from the stars we come to the stars we return from now until the end of time > Sorry I haven't been posting much except about the Vino ordeal. Besides > spending maximum possible time with Vino, I've got Dennis at home and have [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > kibble (but not by much). I guess it's better than nothing, but ideally > the kibble was supposed to just be daytime "filler". Aaargh! > Just feed him the kibble if he will eat that. He does need to eat > more to gain weight. Extra skritches from us. I tend to agree. Purrs for Vino. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > Sorry I haven't been posting much except about the Vino ordeal. Besides > spending maximum possible time with Vino, I've got Dennis at home and [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > kibble (but not by much). I guess it's better than nothing, but ideally > the kibble was supposed to just be daytime "filler". Aaargh! Have you tried mixing the IAM with the S/D? The S/D is used to 'dissolve' any crystals left. But since Vino has been taking acidifier pills, his urine is acidid enough to dissolve any remaining crystals. You should not have problem trading unopened caned food or getting refund from your vet. I have done that many times with Rusty's merry go round of presciption food. Talk to your vet about tricks to get Vino on S/D. Rusty is purring for Vino and tells him to eat the S/D like a good boy. Winnie > Have you tried mixing the IAM with the S/D? The S/D is used to > 'dissolve' any crystals left. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Winnie I was going to suggest mixing too. \I hope he resigns himself to the new food and > eats it! If not, we can probably take the unused cans back and trade it > for c/d (which we don't know if he will eat either), but the kibble is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > kibble (but not by much). I guess it's better than nothing, but ideally > the kibble was supposed to just be daytime "filler". Aaargh! You should be able to return it. Hill's Science Diet accepts all returns, even if the bag is open. It's there policy and the vet should take it back. I know what you're going through, and maybe he'll like the c/d. You could try giving the s/d and c/d in separate bowls. Kristi > He usually prefers canned but with this stuff, he seems to be preferring > kibble (but not by much). I guess it's better than nothing, but ideally > the kibble was supposed to just be daytime "filler". Aaargh! Britta, Even if it's prescription, I would avoid feeding a lot of kibble to a cat with crystals in the urine. You want Vino to eat canned food, as much as possible. If he only likes Iams, feed him that. Look at all the brands avaiable to you (is there a web source in Australia that might have super-premium brands available?) and buy the one that has more good ingredients (whole meats) at the top of the ingredients list. Avoid those that have fillers (grains) and by-products if possible. Purrs for Vino to eat his food. Victor >> He usually prefers canned but with this stuff, he seems to be preferring >> kibble (but not by much). I guess it's better than nothing, but ideally [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Avoid those that have fillers (grains) and by-products if possible. > Purrs for Vino to eat his food. Here is Australia, all our canned pet foods are good quality (have to use human food grade products) and don't have fillers. I'm sittng here looking at two cans of supermarket food - brand food - but supermarket food. BTW, In Autralia, indredients must be listed in order of quantity, so the ingredient used most are listed first, the ingredient used least are listed last: Snappy Tom "Whole Fish" lists the ingredients as: Quality whole sardines (I can attest to the fact they are indeed whole sardines) Gelling agents Permitted food colour vitamins and minerals The breakdown is listed as: Crude protein (min.) 10.0% Crude fat (min.) 2.0% Crude Fibre (max.) 1.0% Salt (Naturally Occuring) (Max.) 1.0% Whiskas Meat with Beef lists the ingredients as: Meat including chiken, beef, lamb and pork beef by-product colouring agents, flavours salt vitamins & minerals No preservatives The breakdown is: Crude protein (min.) 7.5% Crude fat (min.) 5.5% Crude Fibre (max.) 1.0% Salt (max.) 0.35% Oh, Here's the analysis for supermarket Kibble: Whiska's Adult Sardine Prawn Tuna and Whitebait flavour with Vitabites: Wholegrain cereals meat and meat byproducts (poulty beef and or sheep) vegetable protein fish animal tallow and/or vegetable oil salt all essential vitamins and minerals food colouring flavours amino acids (including taurine) antioxidents preservatives Crude protein 29% Crude Fat 10.5% Crude fibre 5% Salt (sodium chloride) 2% All these products meet the nutritional guidelines established by the Association of American Feed Control Officials (AAFCO) for Cat Food Nutrient Profile for maintanence in adult cats. For the record, my own vet said that any canned food was better than any supermarket kibble I could buy. He tried to get me to buy Hills science diet kibble (can't remeber which one) but it seemed madness to feed Shmogg a special and super expensive diet of kibble when the Vet himself said that regular canned food - which is much cheaper - is perfectly fine, and Shmogg much preferred standard gooshy food over Hills Science Diet kibble. I am not a vet, but whilst the supermarket kibble may be a bit dodgy for Vino, I reckon brand name canned food ought to be pretty good. HTH Yowie >>> He usually prefers canned but with this stuff, he seems to be >>> preferring kibble (but not by much). I guess it's better than [quoted text clipped - 93 lines] > > Yowie I'm surprised to see salt listed in the ingredients, I don't believe it's nescessary for a cat and too much can be harmful. SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera) Cats leave pawprints on your heart. http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk > I'm surprised to see salt listed in the ingredients, I don't believe > it's nescessary for a cat and too much can be harmful. Perhaps it's a matter of taste. I read a nutrition article somewhere saying, "Yes, eating strawberries on their own is best, but if the only way you'll eat them is to dip them in sugar, then go ahead." Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > Perhaps it's a matter of taste. I read a nutrition article somewhere > saying, "Yes, eating strawberries on their own is best, but if the > only way you'll eat them is to dip them in sugar, then go ahead." I bought some strawberries again today. Made smoothie with some of it. I am now going to eat the rest with some brown sugar sprinkled on them. Yum! Winnie > I bought some strawberries again today. Made smoothie with some of > it. I am now going to eat the rest with some brown sugar sprinkled > on them. Yum! Nice! We went to a Thai restaurant that has home made ice cream; I brought home a pint of coconut ice cream. As you eat it you find the shavings mixed in. Really good. I am eating it using our smallest bowls, really more like condiment bowls, to make it last longer. I don't know if it's just the novelty or what, but I absolutely love the flavors you can get in Asian restaurants -- green tea, red bean, and mango ice cream. Our current favorite Chinese restaurant is experimenting with foods from other Asian cultures -- lately they've had Mochi (those Japanese dough ball things) filled with green tea ice cream, and with chocolate sauce drizzled on top. I thought I'd died and gone to heaven. I was really confused though when the proprietor asked if I wanted to try it -- I thought he was offering "hamachi" (raw fish) for dessert. Ew! Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > I don't know if it's just the novelty or what, but I absolutely love > the flavors you can get in Asian restaurants -- green tea, red bean, > and mango ice cream. Our current favorite Chinese restaurant is > experimenting with foods from other Asian cultures -- lately they've > had Mochi (those Japanese dough ball things) filled with green tea ice > cream, and with chocolate sauce drizzled on top. I love those Vietnamese bean "drinks" - I put that in quotes because from what I can see, there's more solid than liquid in the glass. :) I'm talking about the drinks made with coconut milk, red beans, and those clear "glass" noodles. Also I love the tapioca drinks. Joyce > I love those Vietnamese bean "drinks" - I put that in quotes because > from what I can see, there's more solid than liquid in the glass. :) > I'm talking about the drinks made with coconut milk, red beans, and > those clear "glass" noodles. Also I love the tapioca drinks. > > Joyce You mean rice noodles? I never care for them but now I am getting to like them more. It is the sauce that makes the difference. Winnie >> I'm talking about the drinks made with coconut milk, red beans, and >> those clear "glass" noodles. Also I love the tapioca drinks. > You mean rice noodles? I never care for them but now I am getting to > like them more. It is the sauce that makes the difference. Well, I'm not sure. When I've had rice noodles, they're usually white in color, not clear. I've had the rice "vermicelli", which is a very thin noodle, often used in pho. And then, of course, there's chow fun. But the noodles in the red bean drinks are clear (transparent), and they have edges. They might be made of rice flour, I'm not sure. Joyce - craving a Vietnamese bean drink at 2:42 AM! (And with no husband to send out to get it. :)) > Well, I'm not sure. When I've had rice noodles, they're usually > white in color, not clear. I've had the rice "vermicelli", which is [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Joyce - craving a Vietnamese bean drink at 2:42 AM! (And with no > husband to send out to get it. :)) Looks like they're made from mung beans: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass_noodles Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > Looks like they're made from mung beans: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass_noodles Oh that one! I stopped buying it since rumour has it recently they found bleach was used in making it. I am surprised they are used in drinks. Winnie >> Well, I'm not sure. When I've had rice noodles, they're usually >> white in color, not clear. I've had the rice "vermicelli", which is >> a very thin noodle, often used in pho. And then, of course, there's >> chow fun. But the noodles in the red bean drinks are clear >> (transparent), and they have edges. They might be made of rice >> flour, I'm not sure. > Looks like they're made from mung beans: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass_noodles Actually, I don't think that's what I'm thinking of after all. I think what I'm calling "noodles" are actally pieces of some kind of clear jelly (they also make it with green jelly). They're maybe 1.5 inches long or so, so I'm not talking about a long, stringy thing. I looked up "glass noodles" on the web, and none of it mentioned bean drinks. Every recipe or dish containing glass noodles was a main dinner dish, not a drink or dessert. Then I looked up "red bean drink" and "3 bean drink", and none of those hits mentioned glass noodles. But several did mention "jelly pieces". So I can only conclude that whatever is in the drink is not a noodle, but is probably "jelly". Now, as to what the jelly is made of, that is another question... Joyce >>> Well, I'm not sure. When I've had rice noodles, they're usually >>> white in color, not clear. I've had the rice "vermicelli", which is [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Joyce Are you talking about bubble tea? http://www.bubbletea.com/ This stuff is huge in asian countries, was also huge in Vancouver. It has tapioca beads in it. I've had it many times, it's good but very filling. SignatureBritta Purring is an automatic safety valve device for dealing with happiness overflow. Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album > > Actually, I don't think that's what I'm thinking of after all. I think > > what I'm calling "noodles" are actally pieces of some kind of clear > > jelly (they also make it with green jelly). They're maybe 1.5 inches > > long or so, so I'm not talking about a long, stringy thing. > Are you talking about bubble tea? http://www.bubbletea.com/ > This stuff is huge in asian countries, was also huge in Vancouver. It > has tapioca beads in it. I've had it many times, it's good but very > filling. No, although I do love the tapioca pearl drinks, too. (I haven't had it in tea, I don't think, but in other liquids such as coconut milk.) Here's what I was referring to (you have to scroll down): http://vienna.metblogs.com/archives/2004/09/gastro_010_gree.phtml These are actually a little fancier-looking than what I'm used to seeing in Vietnamese restaurants. Usually what I see are a row of covered plastic cups, filled with the drink. They're usually on a refrigerated shelf and you buy them to go. If you look closely at the upper part of each drink, you can see that there are these clear *things* in them. I suppose it could be ice (in this photo, anyway), but I've had them with the clear jelly pieces or noodles, or whatever they are. Unfortunately, language barriers have prevented me from getting (or understanding) any answers from the staff at the restaurants where I get the drinks. Joyce > No, although I do love the tapioca pearl drinks, too. (I haven't had it > in tea, I don't think, but in other liquids such as coconut milk.) [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Joyce I will ask my Vietnamese friend for more info. Winnie > > Here's what I was referring to (you have to scroll down): > > http://vienna.metblogs.com/archives/2004/09/gastro_010_gree.phtml [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > plastic cups, filled with the drink. They're usually on a refrigerated > > shelf and you buy them to go. > I will ask my Vietnamese friend for more info. Thanks, Winnie! Joyce > Are you talking about bubble tea? http://www.bubbletea.com/ This > stuff is huge in asian countries, was also huge in Vancouver. It > has tapioca beads in it. I've had it many times, it's good but very > filling. Ahah! Yes, it's called boba at the local Vietnamese restaurant (I love their pho, but DH isn't a big fan of the restaurant, so I haven't been there in a while ... hmmmmmm ...) I had some once. It just wasn't my cup of, um, tea. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > I love those Vietnamese bean "drinks" - I put that in quotes because > from what I can see, there's more solid than liquid in the glass. :) > I'm talking about the drinks made with coconut milk, red beans, and > those clear "glass" noodles. Also I love the tapioca drinks. I've never seen noodle drinks. I've seen the tapioca ones, except the ... particles are pretty big. I think I tried one once and it seemed "okay." Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > I've never seen noodle drinks. I've seen the tapioca ones, except the > ... particles are pretty big. I think I tried one once and it seemed > "okay." They are called 'Bubble Tea'. Very popular in Taiwan and Vancouver. Don't know anything about noodle drinks. Winnie > > I bought some strawberries again today. Made smoothie with some of > > it. I am now going to eat the rest with some brown sugar sprinkled [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > shavings mixed in. Really good. I am eating it using our smallest > bowls, really more like condiment bowls, to make it last longer. I have stopped drinking milk and eating ice cream. About the only diary product I still eat is yogurt. I am lactose intolerant and it is too much hazzle to use the lactase enzyme. > I don't know if it's just the novelty or what, but I absolutely love > the flavors you can get in Asian restaurants -- green tea, red bean, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > asked if I wanted to try it -- I thought he was offering "hamachi" > (raw fish) for dessert. Ew! Now you remind me of the red beans I still have. Better use it to make some desserts. Do you eat raw fish? I eat fish, but not raw. I still like to go eat in Japanese restaurants though. In fact I am planning a girls night out dinner in a Japanese restaurant. Every summer I get to pick a restaurant for our summer dinner. I pick a different country each time. Last year was at a French restaurant (in Chinatown!). I heard a former colleague (he was also layoff) now runs a Japanese restaurant and so I decided we are going to try it out. Winnie > I have stopped drinking milk and eating ice cream. About the only > diary product I still eat is yogurt. I am lactose intolerant and it > is too much hazzle to use the lactase enzyme. Oops. Sorry about talking about ice cream, then. Good strawberries are still just about my favorite food in the universe. > Now you remind me of the red beans I still have. Better use it to > make some desserts. Do you eat raw fish? I eat fish, but not raw. I [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > now runs a Japanese restaurant and so I decided we are going to try > it out. I have nothing against raw fish in theory, but in practice the texture of raw fish doesn't work for me. I only started eating sushi a couple of years ago. If there are bits of raw fish wrapped inside other stuff, I'm pretty good. If it's just a big slab of raw fish on a block of rice, I don't enjoy that. Sushi I really enjoy includes unagi (eel), spider roll, anything with shrimp tempura in it ... We have a favorite Japanese restaurant. The sushi chefs all know DH, and they usually give us something on the house, like teriyaki salmon cheek or an unusual type of sushi. Because of this, though, I really have to be careful -- one time I tried to eat a piece of raw salmon, but I couldn't take it. It was so slimy! My body wanted to gag, but I couldn't because I didn't want to offend anyone. So I kept chewing, and chewing ... eventually I got it down. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > We have a favorite Japanese restaurant. The sushi chefs all know DH, > and they usually give us something on the house, like teriyaki salmon [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I couldn't because I didn't want to offend anyone. So I kept chewing, > and chewing ... eventually I got it down. This is where it might be useful to claim that you're a vegetarian. :) Of course, that would mean you couldn't order any cooked meat in that restaurant again, so perhaps that wouldn't be worth it. I find it almost impossible to imagine being able to choke down something that I detest or that grosses me out, and I don't know how other people manage to do it. I think I would have to end up offending someone, which is unfortunate, but I don't think my body would accept a food that made me gag! Several years ago a friend of mine was planning a trip to Japan, for work. She was told by some colleagues, who had visited before, that she should expect to be served live fish at some point during the visit. We were both aghast at the idea, but then she shrugged and said, "I'll just do it. I'll just deal," end of conversation. But I just *couldn't*. Never! I would definitely have become a situational vegetarian for the length of that trip! Does this make me a terrible person? I sometimes worry about this. Joyce > Oops. Sorry about talking about ice cream, then. Good strawberries > are still just about my favorite food in the universe. That's all right. It doesn't bother me when someone talks about ice cream. I bought some strawberries at one store after my TaiChi class. Another day I found some organic strawberries at another store on sale and bought those too. Strawberries are also grown in this area. I am planning to go to the local farmers market on Sunday. May end up buying more strawberries then. I love all the summer fresh fruit. > I have nothing against raw fish in theory, but in practice the texture > of raw fish doesn't work for me. I only started eating sushi a couple > of years ago. If there are bits of raw fish wrapped inside other > stuff, I'm pretty good. If it's just a big slab of raw fish on a > block of rice, I don't enjoy that. Sushi I really enjoy includes > unagi (eel), spider roll, anything with shrimp tempura in it ... The only Sushi I eat are the ones without raw fish in it. I like my fish cooked well done. In fact, I like all my meat well done. > We have a favorite Japanese restaurant. The sushi chefs all know DH, > and they usually give us something on the house, like teriyaki salmon [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I couldn't because I didn't want to offend anyone. So I kept chewing, > and chewing ... eventually I got it down. I can understand. A former colleague went to work for the company in its Japan office. She joked that she had to have a bag ready in her lap to toss the raw fish in when nobody is looking, especially in business meals. Winnie > -- > monique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully > > pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > The only Sushi I eat are the ones without raw fish in it. I like my > fish cooked well done. In fact, I like all my meat well done. I used to like well-done steak. In fact, any amount of red or pink grossed me out. After a few years in Colorado, though, I'm eating steak that my former self would have gagged trying to eat. And I like steak much better now than I did when I had to have it well done. I guess tastes change. > I can understand. A former colleague went to work for the company in > its Japan office. She joked that she had to have a bag ready in > her lap to toss the raw fish in when nobody is looking, especially > in business meals. Doh! I think if I ate it enough, I would get used to it. It's just that sushi is expensive enough that I don't see the point in ordering it just to see if I'll like it this time. DH likes all sorts of sushi, including uni, which most people who haven't grown up with it don't like. I haven't tried a piece yet, but I did try a little bit of it, just a tiny bit, and it didn't seem too bad. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca >> I have stopped drinking milk and eating ice cream. About the only >> diary product I still eat is yogurt. I am lactose intolerant and it [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > I couldn't because I didn't want to offend anyone. So I kept chewing, > and chewing ... eventually I got it down. I'm with you. And I love raw fish. But raw salmon is just too chewy. If I'm going to have raw salmon I want it ground kind of like steak tartare. Then its yummy. Still, the fresh ahi sashimi prepared by the elderly Japanese chef at the place my daughter works has just about spoiled my for anything else. George only gets the best tuna. It is only available for the first two days when the fish arrives. And George is a master at slicing it so you only get strips of the very best part. Along with fresh grated daikon, wasabi and fish sauce. George is very particular about what he will serve and they have some very happy feral cats out back who deal with the "leftovers" Jo > Nice! We went to a Thai restaurant that has home made ice cream; I > brought home a pint of coconut ice cream. As you eat it you find the > shavings mixed in. You are a very cruel woman! I'm melting at my desk, it's hot, it's humid and I am suffering....and then you mention not just home made ice cream but home made COCONUT ice cream! WITH SHAVINGS of REAL COCONUT.... ARGHHH!!!!! I may have to go and raid the ice cream van! Lesley Slave of the Fabulous (and very hot at the moment) Furballs > You are a very cruel woman! I'm melting at my desk, it's hot, it's > humid and I am suffering....and then you mention not just home made > ice cream but home made COCONUT ice cream! WITH SHAVINGS of REAL > COCONUT.... > > ARGHHH!!!!! I may have to go and raid the ice cream van! I'm sorry! It did occur to me after I wrote that post that it was likely to lead some folks into temptation ... It's cooled off considerably here -- only 81 as the high today. Sunday the high was more like 102. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca >> I bought some strawberries again today. Made smoothie with some of >> it. I am now going to eat the rest with some brown sugar sprinkled [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >asked if I wanted to try it -- I thought he was offering "hamachi" >(raw fish) for dessert. Ew! Several years ago there was a television news report that mentioned the popularity of tuna-flavored ice cream in Japan. I am not sure that I would care for that as an ice cream flavor. SignatureJohn F. Eldredge -- john@jfeldredge.com PGP key available from http://pgp.mit.edu "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria On 2006-07-21, John F Eldredge penned: > Several years ago there was a television news report that mentioned > the popularity of tuna-flavored ice cream in Japan. I am not sure > that I would care for that as an ice cream flavor. Ewwww. I would have to agree. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > On 2006-07-21, John F Eldredge penned: > > > > Several years ago there was a television news report that mentioned > > the popularity of tuna-flavored ice cream in Japan. I am not sure > > that I would care for that as an ice cream flavor. > Ewwww. I would have to agree. It might appeal to some of our feline friends, though. >> He usually prefers canned but with this stuff, he seems to be >> preferring kibble (but not by much). I guess it's better than [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Victor I have never fed Vino a lot of kibble. I don't know if I'm not getting the message accross here, but what we do is feed Vino canned twice a day, as much as he can eat of it. Then he has a bowl of kibble out to nibble on. He's a bit of a snacker, but he would go through the smallest bag in 2 months or more. We have to have the kibble out because there can't be someone around 24/7 to keep doling out canned all the time. The vet said the kibble is the same as the canned except dehydrated. The s/d kibble is apparently a low carb diet?!? And I'm not to mix it with regular food or even c/d because they are incompatible and it won't have the required urine acidifying effect or something. After a month (or whenever he's finished the s/d) he's to go on c/d for a few months. That one's less severe. After that we can see about feeding him Iams again, but she said Whiskas is ok on paper but there's a lot of variation between cans and even top to bottom of the same can. Besides Iams, Eukanuba and Science Diet, there are no other choices of cat food in this part of Australia except supermarket stuff. SignatureBritta Purring is an automatic safety valve device for dealing with happiness overflow. Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album > The vet said the kibble is the same as the canned except dehydrated. > The s/d kibble is apparently a low carb diet?!? Duh! I meant to say that the vet said the s/d is a low protein diet. SignatureBritta Purring is an automatic safety valve device for dealing with happiness overflow. Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album > I have never fed Vino a lot of kibble. I don't know if I'm not getting > the message accross here, but what we do is feed Vino canned twice a > day, as much as he can eat of it. Then he has a bowl of kibble out to That's what we do too. I didn't mean to sound critical, it's just that some TEDs just push Rx food without really knowing a whole lot about feline nutrition. > The vet said the kibble is the same as the canned except dehydrated. The Not true. The first ingredient in the kibble is rice. > s/d kibble is apparently a low carb diet?!? And I'm not to mix it with > regular food or even c/d because they are incompatible and it won't have > the required urine acidifying effect or something. After a month (or That's not what the Hills website say. > Besides Iams, Eukanuba and Science Diet, there are no other choices of > cat food in this part of Australia except supermarket stuff. Like Yowie says, perhaps the Australian versions of those foods are better than the american ones? If you want to feed kibble, this Eukanuba brand has a much better ingredients list than the Hills prescription: http://www.eukanuba.com/en_AU/jhtmls/product/sw_ProductDetail_Page.jhtml?pdi=300 26&li=en_AU&bc=E&sc=C&pti=PD&tc=1&bsc=&lsc=&_DARGS=%2Fen_AU%2Fjhtmls%2Fproduct%2 Fsw_ProductList_droplet.jhtml.3_A&_DAV=1 or http://tinyurl.com/eu2j4 (it's the Australian version). I hope Vino has a full recovery soon and is back to being his somewhat plum self. :) SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com >> I have never fed Vino a lot of kibble. I don't know if I'm not >> getting the message accross here, but what we do is feed Vino canned [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Not true. The first ingredient in the kibble is rice. You're right, I looked on the bag and the cans and the ingredients are totally different. >> s/d kibble is apparently a low carb diet?!? And I'm not to mix it >> with regular food or even c/d because they are incompatible and it >> won't have the required urine acidifying effect or something. After >> a month (or > > That's not what the Hills website say. I meant to say low protein. The vet said that s/d is definitely not a long term diet, it's meant to be just for the first month after crystals, then it's onto the c/d which is the maintenance diet. But she said that he can probably even go off that after a couple more months. So after that we will buy the Eukanuba kibble and do Iams canned. I think this is the best we can do in Australia because the super premium foods are not available here. I tried feeding him kangaroo meat for cats but he wouldn't have it for long. What he really wants is raw hamburger! LOL! Not happening! >> Besides Iams, Eukanuba and Science Diet, there are no other choices >> of cat food in this part of Australia except supermarket stuff. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I hope Vino has a full recovery soon and is back to being his somewhat > plum self. :) Thanks! We were out most of the day but when we came home he ate a little bit, went outside and promptly stepped into a puddle, so had to come in and have some more food. I really think the s/d is too greasy for him, it seems very oily and lard filled. He smacks his lips when eating it and seems to have to work to get it down. So he switches over to the kibble and has a few bites of that before trying a couple more bites of canned. Sigh. SignatureBritta Purring is an automatic safety valve device for dealing with happiness overflow. Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album >> I have never fed Vino a lot of kibble. I don't know if I'm not getting >> the message accross here, but what we do is feed Vino canned twice a day, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > some TEDs just push Rx food without really knowing a whole lot about > feline nutrition. I got that impresion from my first vet. Kept giving me all these well you could use "this and this or Hill's" and when I came back would lamblast me for using what he'd recommended as the "this and this" the previous time. Shmogg wasn't thrilled on Hill's, and considering three bags of Hill's was pretty much the end of my cat feeding budget for the year (being a poor student at the time (my goodness that was a lifetime ago)), Shmogg went back to Whiska's and Friskies, and to a different vet. >> The vet said the kibble is the same as the canned except dehydrated. The > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> Besides Iams, Eukanuba and Science Diet, there are no other choices of >> cat food in this part of Australia except supermarket stuff. Are there stores like "Pet Stop" or "Pets Plus" around there? They stock a whole heap of different foods and in bulk. Tell you what, I'll drop into the one near work today and a) see whats in there and b) see if they have any franchises near Margeret River I'm wondering what Australian cat breeders would recommend? Yowie <snip> >I'm wondering what Australian cat breeders would recommend? > >Yowie This reminds me of a site I used to read years ago. Cats of Australia. http://www.catsofaustralia.com/ It is still there, maybe there is something useful to be found. Elisabet >>> I have never fed Vino a lot of kibble. I don't know if I'm not >>> getting the message accross here, but what we do is feed Vino [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > Yowie Thanks, Yowie! But I can guarantee you there won't be any franchises in Margaret River, I pretty much know every single store in town by now. But I'm more than willing to stock up on trips to Perth. I have gone to sooooo many pet stores there and still haven't seen anything besides Iams, Science Diet or Eukanuba. SignatureBritta Purring is an automatic safety valve device for dealing with happiness overflow. Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album Would it be a good idea to feed him a couple of tablespoons of nutrical a day? It a malt stuff in a tube you get at the vet. Seemed to help ours when appetite and weight were a problem http://tinyurl.com/jpy2m Jo > Sorry I haven't been posting much except about the Vino ordeal. Besides > spending maximum possible time with Vino, I've got Dennis at home and have [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > kibble (but not by much). I guess it's better than nothing, but ideally > the kibble was supposed to just be daytime "filler". Aaargh! > Would it be a good idea to feed him a couple of tablespoons of nutrical a > day? It a malt stuff in a tube you get at the vet. Seemed to help ours > when appetite and weight were a problem When Rusty stopped eating while on antibiotics, the vet said to give him A/D. It can be fed via a syringe. Winnie >He usually prefers canned but with this stuff, he seems to be preferring >kibble (but not by much). I guess it's better than nothing, but ideally >the kibble was supposed to just be daytime "filler". Aaargh! Purrs that Vino takes more of a liking to his special diet. We had the same problem with Spock. He won't teach s/d *or* c/d wet food, but he loves the dry c/d food (which we feed him in moderation). We have to feed him ordinary whiskas supermarket food, which is the only wet food he'll eat (he won't eat Iams either - fussy little squirt). Tish > Sorry I haven't been posting much except about the Vino ordeal. Besides > spending maximum possible time with Vino, I've got Dennis at home and [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Check out pictures of Vino at: > http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album > Sorry I haven't been posting much except about the Vino ordeal. Besides > spending maximum possible time with Vino, I've got Dennis at home and [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > We will keep trying of course, but I worry because he really needs to > put some weight back on. <snip> Soncek is quite a picky eater, so I can relate to that. Lots and lots of purrs and best wishes for Vino to start eating the s/d, Polonca and Soncek Appetite purrs for Vino. Suz&Spicey |
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