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Christina Websell - 17 Jul 2006 20:22 GMT
Well, I finally got my hospital appointment about my hernia today.
Very nice doctor.  Shook my hand when he came in and explained everything.
After he'd examined me he said the defect in my muscle wall was quite large
(as big as an orange) and that an incisional hernia was quite a different
thing to repair than the normal sort of groin hernia.
It won't be as bad as my ovarian surgery, but apparently it will be quite
bad.

I will be in hospital for 4-5 days and will be unable to do much for 6
weeks.  It's worse that I expected.  He gave me a choice to live with it, or
get the surgery.  I've opted for the surgery.
I can hardly buckle up my shoes and I am fed up with the noises it makes.
The doctor seemed to think this was okay and funny.  It isn't.  It makes my
colleagues feel sick to hear it squelching and it makes *me* feel sick to
know that they hate it when I can't do anything about it.

Tweed
Kreisleriana - 17 Jul 2006 20:25 GMT
>Well, I finally got my hospital appointment about my hernia today.
>Very nice doctor.  Shook my hand when he came in and explained everything.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
>Tweed

Oh my dear Christina.  This is just awful, nothing to say except I am
so sorry you have to go through more !@#.  My boys are purring for
you.

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Christina Websell - 18 Jul 2006 19:03 GMT
>>Well, I finally got my hospital appointment about my hernia today.
>>Very nice doctor.  Shook my hand when he came in and explained everything.
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> so sorry you have to go through more !@#.  My boys are purring for
> you.

Thanks, boys.  I have to admit that I had hoped the operations were in the
past now.  Ah, well.  Maybe *this one* will be the last.
When I was in my late 30's I wondered where all the money I paid monthly
into the National Health Service went.  I didn't need it myself at the time.
It serves me right, I suppose.  I think I have pretty well bankrupted my
doctors over the last 5 years.  They have to pay for every hospital
consultation and admission and every operation out of their own budget.

I do have to commend them, they don't hesitate to refer a patient to
hospital if they think there might be something wrong that they don't know
about.  Which is most things, actually!   They haven't bothered to keep up.

I have been asked a few times why I don't change my doctor and go to a
totally different surgery where the doctors are up to speed.  I say, well at
least they recognise their shortcomings and I have a better chance of a good
diagnosis in hospital.

Tweed
Enfilade - 18 Jul 2006 19:21 GMT
> I have been asked a few times why I don't change my doctor and go to a
> totally different surgery where the doctors are up to speed.  I say, well at
> least they recognise their shortcomings and I have a better chance of a good
> diagnosis in hospital.
>
> Tweed

I wish you all the best, Tweed.  

--Fil
Christina Websell - 22 Jul 2006 22:42 GMT
>> I have been asked a few times why I don't change my doctor and go to a
>> totally different surgery where the doctors are up to speed.  I say, well
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> --Fil

Thank you, Fil.

Tweed
polonca12000 - 19 Jul 2006 22:19 GMT
> Thanks, boys.  I have to admit that I had hoped the operations were in the
> past now.  Ah, well.  Maybe *this one* will be the last.
<snip>
> Tweed

Lots and lots of purrs and best wishes that this really is the last
operation, Christina, and that everything goes really well. We are
thinking of you and sending you hugs,
Polonca and Soncek
Christina Websell - 22 Jul 2006 22:44 GMT
>> Thanks, boys.  I have to admit that I had hoped the operations were in
>> the past now.  Ah, well.  Maybe *this one* will be the last.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> thinking of you and sending you hugs,
> Polonca and Soncek

Thank you for your kind thoughts.  I'm trying to think positively - that
surely 7 operations in 5 years is a bit much for anyone and I should get a
break soon!

Tweed
kilikini - 17 Jul 2006 21:12 GMT
> Well, I finally got my hospital appointment about my hernia today.
> Very nice doctor.  Shook my hand when he came in and explained everything.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Tweed

I'm glad you're getting it taken care of.  6 weeks of discomfort is much
easier to deal with than a lifetime of it.  Purrs are going out to
you!!!!!!!

kili
Irulan - 17 Jul 2006 21:15 GMT
poor baby. Hang in there. Glad you made the choice to have the surgery. It
ain't gonna be fun, but if repaired you'll feel so much better all around.
We will constantly purr and pray for everything to go well your way.

Lily & her mama

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> Well, I finally got my hospital appointment about my hernia today.
> Very nice doctor.  Shook my hand when he came in and explained everything.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Tweed
Christina Websell - 18 Jul 2006 19:55 GMT
> poor baby. Hang in there. Glad you made the choice to have the surgery. It
> ain't gonna be fun, but if repaired you'll feel so much better all around.
> We will constantly purr and pray for everything to go well your way.
>
> Lily & her mama

Thanks, Lydia.  If I can get through the last surgery I will get through
this.

Tweed
Karen - 17 Jul 2006 21:17 GMT
I"m glad you are getting it done. Rotten about the recovery time, but my
guess is you will beat that by two weeks! When are you having it done?

> Well, I finally got my hospital appointment about my hernia today.
> Very nice doctor.  Shook my hand when he came in and explained everything.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Tweed
Christina Websell - 18 Jul 2006 19:56 GMT
> I"m glad you are getting it done. Rotten about the recovery time, but my
> guess is you will beat that by two weeks! When are you having it done?

Probably November.

Tweed
Randy - 17 Jul 2006 21:21 GMT
>Well, I finally got my hospital appointment about my hernia today.
>Very nice doctor.  Shook my hand when he came in and explained everything.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
>Tweed

Purrs will be coming for a successful surgery and healing process.

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Christina Websell - 18 Jul 2006 20:00 GMT
>>Well, I finally got my hospital appointment about my hernia today.
>
> Purrs will be coming for a successful surgery and healing process.

Thanks, Randy.  I intend to beat it.

Tweed
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 17 Jul 2006 21:21 GMT
> I will be in hospital for 4-5 days and will be unable to do much for 6
> weeks.  It's worse that I expected.  He gave me a choice to live with it,
> or get the surgery.  I've opted for the surgery.

Tweed,

I'm so sorry that your choices are so tough, and that the surgery required
is more of a major deal than you'd hoped. I am glad that you found a decent
doctor, though - is he the surgeon who will do the operation? When will you
be having it?

> I can hardly buckle up my shoes and I am fed up with the noises it makes.
> The doctor seemed to think this was okay and funny.

That seems rather insensitive to me. I mean, if the patient jokes about
it, then the doctor can joke along, because humor can often be helpful for
dealing with tough situations. But if the patient isn't laughing, then the
doctor shouldn't act like it's funny either. I'm glad he's nice in other
ways, at least!

> It isn't.  It makes my
> colleagues feel sick to hear it squelching and it makes *me* feel sick to
> know that they hate it when I can't do anything about it.

I would hate to feel self-concious about something like that! I actually
think that your workmates shouldn't have said anything to you about it,
since you obviously can't help it. That's pretty rude, IMO.

Purrs from my gang, especially from Licky!

Joyce
Monique Y. Mudama - 18 Jul 2006 00:20 GMT
> That seems rather insensitive to me. I mean, if the patient jokes
> about it, then the doctor can joke along, because humor can often be
> helpful for dealing with tough situations. But if the patient isn't
> laughing, then the doctor shouldn't act like it's funny either. I'm
> glad he's nice in other ways, at least!

Maybe he meant to make it less gross or scary to Tweed.

> > It isn't.  It makes my colleagues feel sick to hear it squelching
> > and it makes *me* feel sick to know that they hate it when I can't
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> you about it, since you obviously can't help it. That's pretty rude,
> IMO.

They probably didn't say anything about it.  I was mortified by the
side effects of my belly issues (that I now know were Crohn's
symptoms), and it didn't matter that no one said a word.  *I* knew.
It almost would have made it better if someone had said something.

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 18 Jul 2006 00:33 GMT
>> That seems rather insensitive to me...

> Maybe he meant to make it less gross or scary to Tweed.

I have no doubt that he meant well by doing it, and yes, humor can
help one deal with difficult situations. My last doctor (before I had
to join an HMO) used to make all sorts of irreverent jokes about my
medical issues, and I enjoyed it very much. But then again, I didn't
have anything scary wrong with me, and I don't know what my needs would
have been in that case.

That's why I said it was insensitive, rather than outright nasty. I
think this is a tricky area, and if a doctor's going to use humor, they
should pay attention to how the patient is feeling, and how he/she responds
to lighthearted remarks, and take the cue from that. If the patient is
very upset and not open to looking at his/her situation lightheartedly,
jokes might come across as callous, or at least, clueless. It's not
enough to mean well - I think a doctor also needs to pay attention and
be sensitive to the patient's needs.

Anyway, none of this has any bearing on how Tweed felt about it - but
I hope it wasn't too unpleasant!

Joyce
Christina Websell - 18 Jul 2006 20:05 GMT
> > I will be in hospital for 4-5 days and will be unable to do much for 6
> > weeks.  It's worse that I expected.  He gave me a choice to live with
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> decent
> doctor, though - is he the surgeon who will do the operation?

No, I don't think so.

When will you
> be having it?

Maybe November.
I'd hoped it would be earlier so I wouldn't get into carting wood for the
woodburner (which needs loading every hour.)

Tweed
Christina Websell - 18 Jul 2006 20:09 GMT
> > I will be in hospital for 4-5 days and will be unable to do much for 6
> > weeks.  It's worse that I expected.  He gave me a choice to live with
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> decent
> doctor, though - is he the surgeon who will do the operation?

No, I don't think so.

When will you
> be having it?

Maybe November.
I'd hoped it would be earlier so I wouldn't get into carting wood for the
woodburner (which needs loading every hour.)

Tweed
Christina Websell - 22 Jul 2006 22:48 GMT
> > I will be in hospital for 4-5 days and will be unable to do much for 6
> > weeks.  It's worse that I expected.  He gave me a choice to live with
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> decent
> doctor, though - is he the surgeon who will do the operation?

I'm not sure, probably not.

When will you
> be having it?

Estimate is November.

> Purrs from my gang, especially from Licky!

Thanks.  KFC sends nose kisses to Licky.

Tweed
Adrian A - 17 Jul 2006 22:48 GMT
> Well, I finally got my hospital appointment about my hernia today.
> Very nice doctor.  Shook my hand when he came in and explained
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Tweed

Have you been given any idea when you'll be going in? When you do I hope
it's a bit cooler than it is now. Purrs for everything yo go smoothly.
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Monique Y. Mudama - 18 Jul 2006 00:18 GMT
> Well, I finally got my hospital appointment about my hernia today.
> Very nice doctor.  Shook my hand when he came in and explained
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> *me* feel sick to know that they hate it when I can't do anything
> about it.

I'm so sorry.  I know you want to be done with all this medical mess
and move on with your life.  Purrs for a successful surgery with
sufficient pain meds and compassionate medical staff.

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Christina Websell - 18 Jul 2006 21:36 GMT
>> Well, I finally got my hospital appointment about my hernia today.
>> Very nice doctor.  Shook my hand when he came in and explained
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> and move on with your life.  Purrs for a successful surgery with
> sufficient pain meds and compassionate medical staff.

I thought it all might be over after the ovarian job.  I thought 5 years of
operation after operation might be enough by then.
It seems not.  I am not going to let it get me down.  I shall have this
further operation and recover and lets hope this will be the end.  Finally.
I will probably moan and whimper a bit on rpca when it happens but you'll
just have to put up with it ;-)

Tweed
Lesley - 24 Jul 2006 13:47 GMT
 Finally.
> I will probably moan and whimper a bit on rpca when it happens but you'll
> just have to put up with it ;-)

Moan and whimper all you want to, Tweed! You've had one Hell of a time
and I really hope this is the end of it!

Lesley

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Monique Y. Mudama - 24 Jul 2006 20:42 GMT
>> I'm so sorry.  I know you want to be done with all this medical
>> mess and move on with your life.  Purrs for a successful surgery
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Finally.  I will probably moan and whimper a bit on rpca when it
> happens but you'll just have to put up with it ;-)

Bah, it's not even a matter of putting up with anything ... of course
we're (at least I'm) happy to lend an ear (well, eye, I guess).  I
have a taste of what you mean about "you'd think it would be enough
that ..." ... sometimes it feels like you're stuck in a snowball
rolling downhill and carrying you with it.

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Takayuki - 18 Jul 2006 03:12 GMT
>I will be in hospital for 4-5 days and will be unable to do much for 6
>weeks.  It's worse that I expected.  He gave me a choice to live with it, or
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>colleagues feel sick to hear it squelching and it makes *me* feel sick to
>know that they hate it when I can't do anything about it.

Let us know when it's scheduled.  That's a considerably longer
recovery time than I thought, but it does sound much bigger than any
regular hernia.  You're right to go for the surgery.  I don't see how
a hernia like that could just be okay to have indefinitely.
Christina Websell - 18 Jul 2006 18:44 GMT
>>I will be in hospital for 4-5 days and will be unable to do much for 6
>>weeks.  It's worse that I expected.  He gave me a choice to live with it,
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> regular hernia.  You're right to go for the surgery.  I don't see how
> a hernia like that could just be okay to have indefinitely.

Well, apparently it is.  If you can tolerate the noise that is!  After my
examination was finished the doctor said  "well, there's good news and bad
news.  The good news is that the muscle wall defect is so large the hernia
is unlikely to strangulate as that usually occurs with a small hole.  The
bad news is - although we *can* repair it - it's not a nice operation."

So, in theory, I could leave it alone and wouldn't be in any danger.  In
practice, it looks unsightly, it bulges my midriff right out, especially if
I have just had a meal and it can be noticed if I don't have a very loose
top on.  It makes unacceptable noises (I haven't forgotten that one of my
colleagues said "OMG, you sound like a spin dryer..") it makes it difficult
to bend down.  It has to go.

Tweed
you have all sent such supportive messages I'm going to try and reply to all
individually over the next day or two.  Thanks everyone.
Karen AKA Kajikit - 18 Jul 2006 03:46 GMT
>Well, I finally got my hospital appointment about my hernia today.
>Very nice doctor.  Shook my hand when he came in and explained everything.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>colleagues feel sick to hear it squelching and it makes *me* feel sick to
>know that they hate it when I can't do anything about it.

Many purrs for an easy op and a quick recovery... let us know when
it's scheduled so we can start the purr-motors running fullblast.
Christina Websell - 23 Jul 2006 22:01 GMT
>>Well, I finally got my hospital appointment about my hernia today.
>>Very nice doctor.  Shook my hand when he came in and explained everything.
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> Many purrs for an easy op and a quick recovery... let us know when
> it's scheduled so we can start the purr-motors running fullblast.

Thanks, Karen. It's like to be November but I haven't been told the exact
date yet.   I have to go in for a day for a pre-operative assessment to make
sure I am safe to undergo it, that's likely to be in the next few weeks.

Tweed
Sam - 18 Jul 2006 04:18 GMT
> Well, I finally got my hospital appointment about my hernia today.
> Very nice doctor.  Shook my hand when he came in and explained everything.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Tweed

Rats, Christina.  Sorry the news wasn't better.  Our gang is revving up
the purr-motors for your recovery to be quick and as painless as possible.

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Christina Websell - 23 Jul 2006 22:02 GMT
>> Well, I finally got my hospital appointment about my hernia today.
> Rats, Christina.  Sorry the news wasn't better.  Our gang is revving up
> the purr-motors for your recovery to be quick and as painless as
>  >possible.

Thank you, Sam.  7 operations since 2001 is beginning to try my patience.

Tweed
Jeanette - 18 Jul 2006 16:34 GMT
> Well, I finally got my hospital appointment about my hernia today.
> Very nice doctor.  Shook my hand when he came in and explained everything.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Tweed

I think you're making the right decision, if it makes you feel so
uncomfortable and self conscious. Keep us posted re dates and stuff.

Jeanette
Christina Websell - 23 Jul 2006 22:16 GMT
>> Well, I finally got my hospital appointment about my hernia today.
 I've opted for the surgery.

> I think you're making the right decision, if it makes you feel so
> uncomfortable and self conscious.

I am hoping to live for another 30 years (!) and I don't want to put up with
it for that long.  That being said, the doctor was not exactly trying to
sell me the operation ;-)  he focussed a lot on the down side of it.  "I'm
not saying we can't repair it, we can, but you have to realise it's not a
minor operation."
and "there is a chance of wound infection as you will have to have a drain
in, and you won't thank us if we give you a festering wound that will take
another operation to repair, will you?"
It would, of course, be cheaper for the NHS if I went away thinking uh,
maybe it's too risky so I won't have it done.  Maybe that was the idea
behind what he said, I don't know.  Put the patients off expensive surgery
if it isn't immediately life threatening perhaps?
If I can get over the absolutely terrible operation I had last year I am
sure I can get over a hernia repair.  Even an incisional hernia one which is
not so easy.

Tweed

Keep us posted re dates and stuff.

> Jeanette
Jo Firey - 24 Jul 2006 01:22 GMT
>>> Well, I finally got my hospital appointment about my hernia today.
>  I've opted for the surgery.
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> sure I can get over a hernia repair.  Even an incisional hernia one which
> is not so easy.

Maybe he just wanted to make sure you were committed to having it done, and
fully aware that there are no guarantees.

If it isn't life threatening, they do have some responsibility to make sure
you are really up for how unpleasant its going to be.

That said, I kind of envy you having the choice and the positive attitude to
go with it.  The bulge I live with isn't that bad and I don't think anyone
else is that aware of it.  It would be nice to have it repaired, but I'm not
in good enough shape to do it.  So I'm glad you can get yours fixed and are
up for the process.

I went through too much hell with the surgery that left me with it.  I can't
say never again, because that surgery could fail and have to be redone at
some point.

(Really bad GERD and very large hernia in my diaphragm.  Hernia's don't
always like to stay repaired.  I'm just hoping twice was enough)

Jo
Monique Y. Mudama - 24 Jul 2006 20:51 GMT
> I am hoping to live for another 30 years (!) and I don't want to put
> up with it for that long.  That being said, the doctor was not
> exactly trying to sell me the operation ;-)  

Is laproscopic surgery an option?

http://www.lapsurg.org/hernia.html#5

You may find this interesting:

http://www.surgeryencyclopedia.com/Fi-La/Incisional-Hernia-Repair.html

Especially:

"Activities may be limited to non-strenuous movement for up to two
weeks, depending on the type of surgery performed. To allow proper
healing of muscle tissue, hernia repair patients should avoid heavy
lifting for at least six to eight weeks after surgery, or longer as
advised."

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Christina Websell - 27 Jul 2006 19:59 GMT
>> I am hoping to live for another 30 years (!) and I don't want to put
>> up with it for that long.  That being said, the doctor was not
>> exactly trying to sell me the operation ;-)
>
> Is laproscopic surgery an option?

He didn't say so.

> http://www.lapsurg.org/hernia.html#5
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> lifting for at least six to eight weeks after surgery, or longer as
> advised."

OMG.  I just got too much information there, well not too much, but enough
to make me wonder if I want to go through with it after all.
My hernia is in none of the places illustrated.  It's above my belly button
up my sternum.  In one of the worst places I would think.  Very near the
stomach and liable to burst open if you get a bad cough (I think that's what
caused it in the first place.)
Hmmm.  What to do?

Tweed
Monique Y. Mudama - 03 Aug 2006 18:08 GMT
> OMG.  I just got too much information there, well not too much, but
> enough to make me wonder if I want to go through with it after all.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> cough (I think that's what caused it in the first place.) Hmmm.
> What to do?

I'm sorry, Christina -- didn't mean to add confusion to your already
traumatic situation.  I actually thought it sounded like there might
be less invasive options to repair your hernia.  But of course I'm no
doctor, and as you mention there may be factors that make it more
difficult.

I'm fascinated by how they apparently fix these -- somehow implanting
mesh in the gap and allowing the tissue to grow around it.  Amazing
what modern medicine can do.

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glsummer@neptunelink.com - 23 Jul 2006 17:10 GMT
>Well, I finally got my hospital appointment about my hernia today.
>Very nice doctor.  Shook my hand when he came in and explained everything.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
>Tweed

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