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Adrian A - 12 Jul 2006 22:40 GMT .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years and I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's only Snoopy purring that's keeping me going.
Helen Miles - 12 Jul 2006 22:43 GMT > .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years and > I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's only > Snoopy purring that's keeping me going.//// Lots and lots of purrs and hugs.
{{{{{{{{{{ADRIAN}}}}}}}}}}}}
Helen M
Bev - 12 Jul 2006 23:05 GMT >> .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years >> and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Helen M (((((ADRIAN))))) I know how you feel and have felt like that a number of times in my life. I can assure you it will pass with the help of all those who care about you. A loving kitty will help plus good thoughts from your friends at RPCA.
xxxxx Bev
Adrian A - 13 Jul 2006 11:11 GMT >>> .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for >>> years and [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > xxxxx Bev Bev - 12 Jul 2006 23:05 GMT >> .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years >> and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Helen M (((((ADRIAN))))) I know how you feel and have felt like that a number of times in my life. I can assure you it will pass with the help of all those who care about you. A loving kitty will help plus good thoughts from your friends at RPCA.
xxxxx Bev
Adrian A - 13 Jul 2006 11:12 GMT >>> .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for >>> years and [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > xxxxx Bev Thanks, Bev.
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SuzQ - 13 Jul 2006 23:56 GMT
> "Adrian A" <anca@bigfoot.com> wrote in message > news:bY-dnWnfrt7F8SjZRVnyjg@brightview.com [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Helen M (((((ADRIAN))))) I know how you feel and have felt like that a number of
times in my life. I can assure you it will pass with the help of all those who care about you. A loving kitty will help plus good thoughts from your friends at RPCA.
xxxxx Bev ================================== Purrs to lift your Spirits Adrian. Suz&Spicey
Dan M - 12 Jul 2006 22:56 GMT > .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years and > I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's only > Snoopy purring that's keeping me going. Adrian, I'm so glad that you've got Snoopy with you, and sorry that you're going through this. Been there, can understand the feeling. Do you have anyone you can talk to?
And though I know a lot of folks are sensitive about the subject, are you currently taking antidepressants? If not, I strongly urge you to visit a doctor and talk about whether they might help you. During Christmas week last year I hit an all-time low - I felt so completely drained, depressed, and down that I really didn't care whether I lived to see another day. I was able to talk to Nancy about it, and could pet all the kitties, and that helped in the short term. But what helped the most was visiting my doctor and getting a prescription for Prozac. It isn't a wonder drug, it isn't a fix-all, but it can make a world of difference - in my case, it makes the valleys a LOT less deep.
Sending you all the purrs we can muster.
Dan
Yowie - 13 Jul 2006 01:35 GMT > > .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years and > > I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's only [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > isn't a fix-all, but it can make a world of difference - in my case, it > makes the valleys a LOT less deep. First of all *Hugs*. I"m so glad that Snoopy is htere for you.
Secondly, I want to re-iterate what Dan said. I've felt like that too, and I talked to my doctor about it. I got Zoloft instead of Prozac, but it really did help for the few months I needed the help. It made things bearable whilst Real Life got itself sorted out. I no longer need to take it, but for those few months there, well, had it not been for Zoloft making those valleys less deep, I may not have been here, typing this now.
Anti-depressants don't "fix" stuff, but they do make things bearable whilst you deal with the issues that need fixing.
*Hugs*
Yowie
Adrian A - 13 Jul 2006 11:11 GMT >> .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for >> years and I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Dan Thanks for the purrs. I am seeing the doctor regularly, at the moment I'm not taking anything I've tried several antidepressants, so far none have really helped. When I took Prozac it actually made me feel worse and very edgy. I'm also seeing a mental health social worker, I think in the long run that's what's going to help. I'm not so bad today, I'll have to stop watching the news, it's too upsetting.
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sriddles@aol.com - 13 Jul 2006 14:12 GMT > >> .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for > >> years and I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > -- > Adrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera) I think that is wise. There is nothing edifying about watching the news IMO (and over here, who knows if what you're hearing is even the truth). We can't do anything to change it anyway by worrying and fretting about it. I don't watch it either, unless I am in a good frame of mind that particular day. Hope you are feeling better today.
Sherry
badwilson - 13 Jul 2006 16:08 GMT >>> .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for >>> years and I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > think in the long run that's what's going to help. I'm not so bad > today, I'll have to stop watching the news, it's too upsetting. Adrian! I'm way behind reading the group because of work and the Vino thing. But I just saw this post of yours and read the whole thead. You need to know that you are an extremely valuable member of this online community and you have so much positive input to give. In fact, I think you are one of the most uplifting and positive members of the NG. Please, plesae, please do not feel worthless or harm yourself. You are much loved and valued. I really hope you are able to work through all the issues you are facing. I know some of them are quite serious because you have lost many valued members of your family. But really, it is still worth continuing on. Because you have a lot of love to give. And yes, I agree, do not watch the news. It's just depressing. I have barely watched any news for over 5 years and feel I am a better person for it.
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Adrian A - 13 Jul 2006 17:13 GMT >>>> .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for >>>> years and I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > have barely watched any news for over 5 years and feel I am a better > person for it. Thanks, Britta, I'm feeling a lot better this evening. I went for a walk earlier, a beautiful warm day with not a single cloud in the sky.
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Christina Websell - 13 Jul 2006 18:58 GMT >>> Thanks for the purrs. I am seeing the doctor regularly, at the >>> moment I'm not taking anything I've tried several antidepressants, >>> so far none have really helped. When I took Prozac it actually made >>> me feel worse and very edgy. Did your depression start from bereavement? Mine did (plus a few more factors that accelerated it.) It took quite a while for Prozac to help me but I am far better on it than off it. It's almost impossible to cry about anything while you are taking Prozac. I used to be easily moved by sad situations and they would make me weep. Not any more. I am still moved, but I don't cry. I can also cope better with difficult situations at work, I can now say my piece without getting upset. The downside is that I get nightmares nearly every night - a known side effect.
Tweed
I'm also seeing a mental health social
>>> worker, I think in the long run that's what's going to help. I'm >>> not so bad today, I'll have to stop watching the news, it's too [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Thanks, Britta, I'm feeling a lot better this evening. I went for a > walk earlier, a beautiful warm day with not a single cloud in the sky. jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 13 Jul 2006 19:17 GMT > It's almost impossible to cry about anything while you are taking Prozac. > I used to be easily moved by sad situations and they would make me weep. > Not any more. I am still moved, but I don't cry. Yes, that's true for me, too. But I consider it a negative effect and I feel deprived of a natural release of emotion. Sometimes I can feel really sad and like I need to cry, but I can't. Not that I want to be sobbing my eyes out for hours on end, but a short "summer shower" type of cry can really clear the air sometimes, and I miss that.
> I can also cope better with difficult situations at work, I can > now say my piece without getting upset. Well, there is that. If you're someone who can't help crying, to the point of revealing emotion even when you don't want to, then a medication that stops you from that must be a relief.
> The downside is that I get nightmares nearly every night - a known > side effect. I remember that from Prozac. Really long, complex, intense dreams full of emotional upheaval, lots of raging and weeping. I felt like I was visiting the person I used to be before the medication, in my dreams, kind of like someone was saying, "See? This is why you take that stuff." It was exhausting, though! This doesn't happen on Effexor.
Do you ever get intense nausea attacks? I used to get those on Prozac regularl - I'd wake up in the middle of the night with cold sweats and lightheadedness, and such intense nausea I'd be certain I was about to puke my guts out. I never did, though - after about 15 minutes or so of misery, it would just go away. I haven't gotten that from any other A/D medication, though.
Joyce
Christina Websell - 13 Jul 2006 20:40 GMT >> It's almost impossible to cry about anything while you are taking >> Prozac. I used to be easily moved by sad situations and they would [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > sobbing my eyes out for hours on end, but a short "summer shower" type > of cry can really clear the air sometimes, and I miss that. I don't particularly miss it myself. I was probably too sensitive about identifying with others sad situations and Prozac has cut this out. It's a relief really.
>> I can also cope better with difficult situations at work, I can >> now say my piece without getting upset. > > Well, there is that. If you're someone who can't help crying, to the > point of revealing emotion even when you don't want to, then a > medication that stops you from that must be a relief. When I felt anger, I would cry. This prevented me from sharing my views on a contentious subject when high emotions were flying around in my team. I can now do this with no difficulty.
>> The downside is that I get nightmares nearly every night - a known >> side effect. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > kind of like someone was saying, "See? This is why you take that > stuff." It was exhausting, though! This doesn't happen on Effexor. The nightmares are pretty bad. Not bad enough for me to go on Effexor though. Here's an example. I get home from work and see a plane in the sky. Suddenly it bursts into flames and comes down. I see that it is heading directly for my kennels with dogs in (I don't even have these any more) and start to run down the garden to the kennels. It's too late. The burning plane lands directly on my dogs and there is nothing I can do about it.
That's a relatively minor dream.
Tweed
> Do you ever get intense nausea attacks? I used to get those on Prozac > regularl - I'd wake up in the middle of the night with cold sweats > and lightheadedness, and such intense nausea I'd be certain I was > about to puke my guts out. I don't get the sort of nausea you are describing, but I heave a lot in the mornings as if I need to be sick. It's a nuisance as I sometimes have to walk away from a conversation with no explanation in order to do it alone.
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 13 Jul 2006 20:52 GMT > The nightmares are pretty bad. Not bad enough for me to go on Effexor > though. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > start to run down the garden to the kennels. It's too late. The burning > plane lands directly on my dogs and there is nothing I can do about it. I've had similar dreams, except that when the plane hits the ground, it always ends up being a small plastic toy plane. Really! I've had this dream a number of times. Also, there are no flames. It's just that a huge plane is coming down and it looks so menacing, and then it ends up being nothing more than a toy. I'm sure that must have some significance!
Joyce
Christina Websell - 13 Jul 2006 21:46 GMT >> The nightmares are pretty bad. Not bad enough for me to go on >> Effexor though. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > it ends up being nothing more than a toy. I'm sure that must have > some significance! My planes do not end up as toys. My dogs burn to death in front of my eyes and I wake up screaming. Next time I am up for a medication review I maybe ought to mention it. As soon as I wake up in a panic I realise it's not real, but it's very distressing all the same. It takes a while for my heartbeat to calm down and for me to realise that it hasn't actually happened.
Tweed
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 13 Jul 2006 22:49 GMT > My planes do not end up as toys. My dogs burn to death in front of my eyes > and I wake up screaming. <<shudder>> That *does* sound... well, nightmarish.
> Next time I am up for a medication review I maybe ought to mention it. As > soon as I wake up in a panic I realise it's not real, but it's very > distressing all the same. It takes a while for my heartbeat to calm down > and for me to realise that it hasn't actually happened. I can't see that being good for your mental health! Prozac is one of the oldest of the SSRIs. On one hand, that's good because it's been around for a long time and therefore there's* data on long-term use. But newer drugs, although not in use for as long, are also more specific and also a number of the side effects have been minimized.
Joyce
* "there's" is not a typo or a mistake.
Adrian A - 13 Jul 2006 21:10 GMT >>>> Thanks for the purrs. I am seeing the doctor regularly, at the >>>> moment I'm not taking anything I've tried several antidepressants, [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Tweed Yes, it did, my little brother committed suicide aged 40, part of me died that day. :-(
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Adrian A - 13 Jul 2006 21:31 GMT >>>>> Thanks for the purrs. I am seeing the doctor regularly, at the >>>>> moment I'm not taking anything I've tried several antidepressants, [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Yes, it did, my little brother committed suicide aged 40, part of me > died that day. :-( This happened two months after my grandfather died, three days later my next door neighbour who was aslo my best friend died of a heart attack aged 65. Within a few months I lost a cat, Smokey, then a cousin, one week before her 21st birthday. This was due to medical negligence.
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Jo Firey - 14 Jul 2006 01:32 GMT >>>>>> Thanks for the purrs. I am seeing the doctor regularly, at the >>>>>> moment I'm not taking anything I've tried several antidepressants, [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > her > 21st birthday. This was due to medical negligence. Suicide can be such a cruel legacy to leave. No matter how much he may have felt he had no choice. All the conversation on the group on grief and depression has had me remembering more what a horrid year 2004 was for me and my family. When many loses bunch up like that it makes you super sensitive I think forever. Like scars that don't want to heal. After going through that, even a single loss makes you fear the whole world is crashing in.
Sometimes you really have to work at appreciating the good stuff.
Today was a very good day. Took Kayla to the park with my youngest grandson Ryan, then took him out for a haircut. Went to see the movie Cars (I loved it. Can't wait for the video so I can see the dialogue) Then went out for desert. Days like this a few and far between, but just knowing there might be another one ahead somewhere helps.
Jo
Adrian A - 14 Jul 2006 10:04 GMT >>>>>>> Thanks for the purrs. I am seeing the doctor regularly, at the >>>>>>> moment I'm not taking anything I've tried several [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > Jo The good stuff is usually something simple, last night I sat on my doorstep and watched two hedgehogs snuffling arround each other, this went on for nearly half an hour. It was quite thereputic to be so close to wild animals.
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Tanada - 14 Jul 2006 13:54 GMT > The good stuff is usually something simple, last night I sat on my doorstep > and watched two hedgehogs snuffling arround each other, this went on for > nearly half an hour. It was quite thereputic to be so close to wild animals. I wanna see hedge hogs someday. I'm hoping today will be a good day, as yesterday was chaotic at best. I remember one day that started out with coffee and a paper on the patio, then we wandered down at the local wilderness preserve, where we had a picnic. We ended the day with everyone in the group just hanging out in the living room yakking about everything and anything. I tend to take myself there when it gets too tough dealing with the here and now.
Pam S. who loves good food, friends, and talk.
Jo Firey - 14 Jul 2006 15:00 GMT >> The good stuff is usually something simple, last night I sat on my >> doorstep [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > everything and anything. I tend to take myself there when it gets too > tough dealing with the here and now. That's the way its done.
I had a traumatic event in my life that I couldn't control in my mind. The therapist I saw used light hypnosis to like that memory to another really happy and safe time. So when I start to go to the "bad place" I have a choice to go somewhere better.
Jo
Jo Firey - 14 Jul 2006 15:00 GMT >>>>>>>> Thanks for the purrs. I am seeing the doctor regularly, at the >>>>>>>> moment I'm not taking anything I've tried several [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > nearly half an hour. It was quite thereputic to be so close to wild > animals. Oh, that is thrilling to even think about. (no hedge hogs here)
We did see a paper on their care at PETCO yesterday while checking out the Chinchilla and the Rats and buying cookies for the dogs. The did have the sweetest Teddy Bear Hamster.
So maybe the sell them as pets in the US? Still I'd love to see wild ones.
Jo
Christina Websell - 13 Jul 2006 21:35 GMT >>>>> Thanks for the purrs. I am seeing the doctor regularly, at the >>>>> moment I'm not taking anything I've tried several antidepressants, [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Yes, it did, my little brother committed suicide aged 40, part of me > died that day. :-( Sudden death is so terrible for the family. That's what happened to me (not suicide) but sudden unexpected death of the person I was most close to in the world. I've grieved so much maybe there isn't any grief left in me. Nothing is going to bring her back. I have to accept that after 3 years.
I could continue to let it affect my life. It would be easy to do that. I am trying to get out from under it. She will still be gone in 10 years time and I don't want to be in the same place then as I am now. I am trying very hard to remember the happy memories and move on. I hope you will soon be able to get to this point. It's not easy, you'll have to work at it.
Tweed
Winnie - 13 Jul 2006 22:44 GMT > Sudden death is so terrible for the family. That's what happened to me (not > suicide) but sudden unexpected death of the person I was most close to in > the world. I've grieved so much maybe there isn't any grief left in me. > Nothing is going to bring her back. I have to accept that after 3 years. My father died suddenly of a heart attack. That was 2 weeks after I lost my job, and 1 week after the vet diagnosed Rusty with renal sufficiency (turned out he was misdiagnosed). I woke up in the middle of the night crying. It took me years to get over it.
Winnie
> I could continue to let it affect my life. It would be easy to do that. I > am trying to get out from under it. She will still be gone in 10 years time [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Tweed Tanada - 13 Jul 2006 18:50 GMT > Thanks for the purrs. I am seeing the doctor regularly, at the moment I'm > not taking anything I've tried several antidepressants, so far none have > really helped. When I took Prozac it actually made me feel worse and very > edgy. I'm also seeing a mental health social worker, I think in the long run > that's what's going to help. I'm not so bad today, I'll have to stop > watching the news, it's too upsetting. Man, insist on them testing you for everything, including earworms if necessary. Then get yourself DVDs of cartoons, funny movies, whatever you enjoy watching, then turn off that &()*(( news and watch something fun. I learned the hard way during Desert Storm, that if it directly concerns you, it will find you, no matter where you are.
Personally, I like 1776. Bed knobs and Broomsticks, Paint Your Wagon, Harry Potter, Renaissance Man, Wizards, Heavy metal, and the Babylon5 series really perks me up. I also love the Hercules series, but I only have seasons 1 and 6. Mike and Rob seem to like the DVDs of the "Dead Like Me" series that was once on Showtime. I think it's morbid, though.
Pam S. wondering what movies/cartoons you'd recommend for Adrian to watch
Pat - 13 Jul 2006 19:28 GMT > wondering what movies/cartoons you'd recommend for Adrian to watch A Fish Called Wanda My Cousin Vinny What Women Want The Prince of Tides (not funny but a great catharsis) Bruce Almighty
And agreeing with Pam about Paint Your Wagon, for sure. The others she mentioned, I have not seen.
Adrian A - 13 Jul 2006 21:07 GMT >> Thanks for the purrs. I am seeing the doctor regularly, at the >> moment I'm not taking anything I've tried several antidepressants, [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Pam S. wondering what movies/cartoons you'd recommend for Adrian to > watch I've got a Stargate SG-1 DVD in the post, with any luck it will arrive tomorrow or Saturday. I wonder what the doctor would say if I asked to be tested for earworms. ;-)
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Tanada - 13 Jul 2006 23:59 GMT > I've got a Stargate SG-1 DVD in the post, with any luck it will arrive > tomorrow or Saturday. I wonder what the doctor would say if I asked to be > tested for earworms. ;-) A good question. Let us know what he says.
Pam S.
mlbriggs - 14 Jul 2006 00:29 GMT >>> Thanks for the purrs. I am seeing the doctor regularly, at the >>> moment I'm not taking anything I've tried several antidepressants, [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > tomorrow or Saturday. I wonder what the doctor would say if I asked to be > tested for earworms. ;-) Speaking of earworms, have you heard Taylor Hicks sing "Possibilities"? That will keep them wiggling. MLB
polonca12000 - 15 Jul 2006 23:10 GMT > Thanks for the purrs. I am seeing the doctor regularly, at the moment I'm > not taking anything I've tried several antidepressants, so far none have > really helped. When I took Prozac it actually made me feel worse and very > edgy. I'm also seeing a mental health social worker, I think in the long run > that's what's going to help. I'm not so bad today, I'll have to stop > watching the news, it's too upsetting. I have stopped watching the news years ago. Watching them just made me feel so incredibly sad and I felt so helpless. I don't know if this would work for you, but taking a walk really makes me feel calmer and more positive. Seeing kitties and doggies when taking a walk always makes me smile. We are thinking of you, Adrian, sending lots and lots of purrs and best wishes for you to start feeling much better really soon, Polonca and Soncek
Adrian A - 16 Jul 2006 10:03 GMT >> Thanks for the purrs. I am seeing the doctor regularly, at the >> moment I'm not taking anything I've tried several antidepressants, [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > best wishes for you to start feeling much better really soon, > Polonca and Soncek I've been trying to walk more lately, I sometimes borrow a friends d-thing to take with me. ;-)
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Irulan - 12 Jul 2006 23:10 GMT Purrs and prayers from us that you feel better soon.
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> .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years > and > I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's only > Snoopy purring that's keeping me going. Matthew - 12 Jul 2006 23:11 GMT > .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years > and > I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's only > Snoopy purring that's keeping me going. Adrian Me and you are friend over the internet you have many of us out here. We are all giving you the much need support, hug sand prayers for you. You have lifted me up when I needed it along with many others out here. I am returning the favor that fleeting touch you just felt after reading this it was me and everyone else putting their hand on your shoulder and wrapping their arms around telling you it will be ok. I have had so many days like yours what gets me thru and keeps me going are the four legs. I look at them and say they need me I need them I am not going anywhere. Now you know my secret of why I love my furballs so much and with knowing that secret we are much more than friends now. Remember we are out here
Shirley - 12 Jul 2006 23:12 GMT > .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for > years and > I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's > only > Snoopy purring that's keeping me going. {{{{{{{Adrian}}}}}}}
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Karen - 12 Jul 2006 23:39 GMT > .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years and > I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's only > Snoopy purring that's keeping me going. Oh dear, Adrian!! Please, please know we are here (I know, that probably isn't a huge help right now) for you. Please consider seeing someone about this. (((((((((((((hugs))))))))))))))
Mishi - 12 Jul 2006 23:49 GMT >.....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years and >I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's only >Snoopy purring that's keeping me going. {{{Hugs}}} Adrian - I know how you feel. I was at that point last week, and what kept me here is the thought that my cats would die if I did. :( I had constant cat companionship on those days - I think they set up a schedule between themselves to keep me company. I laid down for a while, and pretty soon I had 8 cats with me - practically every spot that they could touch had a cat laying against it. Amanda was on the pillow at top of my head, Sasquatch was laying against my face and neck, Keiri against my back, Bear on my stomach, Boyce behind me. Cougar laid against the front of my legs, and Marble at the back, with Jacob covering my feet. (I was laying on my right side.) They were all purring, at volume. It definitely helped. Kitty cuddles are the best!
Patti
polonca12000 - 15 Jul 2006 23:17 GMT >>.....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years and >>I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's only [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Patti I'm so glad your kitties are taking such good care of you, Patti. Lots and lots of purrs and best wishes, Polonca and Soncek
Pat - 12 Jul 2006 23:57 GMT > .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years > and > I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's only > Snoopy purring that's keeping me going. I've been pretty low lately myself. Complicating matters is the fact that I have no one to talk to. Been a hermit too long, and seeing no way out of having too much chronic pain and too little money, the outlook is very bleak, especially when one is clinically depressed to begin with.
Someone mentioned this website which has help on it. It has a test for depression. My result was "severely depressed - seek medical help".
http://www.authentichappiness.sas.upenn.edu/books.aspx?id=186
There is good info on that site. Check it out.
Adrian A - 13 Jul 2006 11:15 GMT >> .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for >> years and [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > There is good info on that site. Check it out. Thanks, Pat. It's all too easy to become a hermit, I've been forcing myself to go out lately, maybe I've overdone it. I feel exhausted.
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CatNipped - 13 Jul 2006 00:15 GMT {{{{{{{{{{Adrian}}}}}}}}}}
I've been there too - hang in there, your kitties need you (and that has been the only thing keeping me here at times too)!
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> .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years > and > I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's only > Snoopy purring that's keeping me going. Enfilade - 13 Jul 2006 13:37 GMT > {{{{{{{{{{Adrian}}}}}}}}}} > > I've been there too - hang in there, your kitties need you (and that has > been the only thing keeping me here at times too)! Many purrs for you Adrian.
Just because I had problems with the pill I was given, does not mean that I'm sorry I took it. It probably saved my life, or at least made my family's lives more pleasant while I recovered. In the end, even if I didn't care about myself, I still cared about my kitties and had to do something to get better, so I wouldn't hurt them by mistake, so I could look after them.
Regardless, take care of yourself and bright blessings.
--Fil
Denise Clere - 13 Jul 2006 00:27 GMT (((((Adrian)))))
> .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years > and > I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's only > Snoopy purring that's keeping me going. Joy - 13 Jul 2006 00:30 GMT > .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years and > I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's only > Snoopy purring that's keeping me going. Thank heaven for Snoopy's purring!
(((((((((Adrian)))))))))
Purrs and hugs to all who have felt this despair, and especially those who are still feeling it.
Joy
jmcquown - 13 Jul 2006 00:34 GMT > .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for > years and I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my > face, it's only Snoopy purring that's keeping me going. {{{{{{{Adrian}}}}}} Don't go that route. The cats aren't the only ones who will be left behind.
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Victor Martinez - 13 Jul 2006 00:36 GMT > .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years and > I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's only > Snoopy purring that's keeping me going. Is there anything we can do to help? It's hard being so far away, but even a phone call might be useful? *Purrs*
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Kreisleriana - 13 Jul 2006 00:47 GMT >.....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years and >I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's only >Snoopy purring that's keeping me going. We are sending you mega-mega-no-questions-asked-purrs.
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Christina Websell - 13 Jul 2006 00:58 GMT > .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years > and > I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's only > Snoopy purring that's keeping me going. Please don't do anything silly, for the sake of your family who love you and your cats who need you. You can private mail me if it would help, or even telephone. I know how you feel, I've been there. It will pass so just hang in there.
(hugs) Tweed
sriddles@aol.com - 13 Jul 2006 01:13 GMT > .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years and > I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's only > Snoopy purring that's keeping me going. Adrian!!?? This post is not at all like you. Please know we all care very much. Is there anything I can do?
Sherry
Stormin Mormon - 13 Jul 2006 01:34 GMT Hang in there. Night sleep, and some daylight tomorrow and it should look better.
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.....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years and I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's only Snoopy purring that's keeping me going.
Singh - 13 Jul 2006 03:01 GMT You and I are riding that same slow boat, and I know how it feels to have to bail like hell to keep your butt afloat. I'm glad you didn't end it. Thank Snoopy from all of us who care about you. Please keep going. Purrs and a prayer are going up at this very moment. We're fortunate to have Brandy here, who does a great job as Morale Officer, and she's got a loud motor.
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> .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years and > I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's only > Snoopy purring that's keeping me going. EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 13 Jul 2006 03:40 GMT > .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years and > I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's only > Snoopy purring that's keeping me going. However bad things seem, sometimes, don't EVER let them get you to that point! Think of all the wonderful things that might yet happen in your life. Would you really want to miss those, just because you're super depressed now? Purrs and prayers that you'll soon be feeling more cheerful.
Sam - 13 Jul 2006 05:05 GMT > ......I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years and > I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's only > Snoopy purring that's keeping me going. {{{{{{{{{{ Adrian }}}}}}}}}}
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Lesley - 13 Jul 2006 10:28 GMT > .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years and > I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's only > Snoopy purring that's keeping me going. {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ Adrian}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
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Lesley
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Adrian A - 13 Jul 2006 11:20 GMT >> .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for >> years and I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Slave of the Fabulous Furballs Thank you, Lesley and thanks to everybody for the support, it does help. Snoopy's snoring in a patch of sun now, I don't know what I'd do without her.
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bttngl - 14 Jul 2006 02:08 GMT Bttngl wrote:
>Lesley wrote: > > Adrian A wrote: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > >Slave of the Fabulous Furballs Adrian, I've waited and read all the way down, I think that's how it is done. I checked out your photos and now I see why your beautiful Snoopy is comforting to you. He's beautiful and looks so cuddly. A cat is so sensitive to tell when you need them and just how to make things right. There is truly nothing wrong with a doc's help too. I wish I knew what to say to help. Always talk it through with somebody. Call somebody. I won't hog the space, You have such a wonderful support team here. You are in my thoughts tonight and prayers, bless you. bttngl.
Tanada - 13 Jul 2006 18:39 GMT > .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years and > I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's only > Snoopy purring that's keeping me going. Sweetie, please don't end it. We haven't met yet, and yet I feel as though you are one of my adopted sons. You seem depressed and now is the time to seek help. Have you ever been checked for diabetes? When my blood sugars get crazy is when I get those end it thoughts. Have you seen a doctor lately? Please do so, and if nothing medical is found, please see a counselor.
We care about you very much.
Pam S. who wants to meet Adrian, all the Helens and so forth.
CatNipped - 13 Jul 2006 19:34 GMT I dug up this editorial I wrote quite some time ago - re-reading my own advice has actually helped me (who hasn't been too good at taking my own advice lately) deal with what I have to deal with right now.
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Facts from the [US] National Center for Injury Prevention and Control:
- Suicide took the lives of 29,350 Americans in 2000. - More people die from suicide than from homicide. In 2000, there were 1.7 times as many suicides as homicides. - Overall, suicide is the 11th leading cause of death for all Americans, and is the third leading cause of death for young people aged 15-24. - Males are more than four times more likely to die from suicide than are females. However, females are more likely to attempt suicide than are males. - 1999, white males accounted for 72% of all suicides. Together, white males and white females accounted for over 90% of all suicides. However, during the period from 1979-1992, suicide rates for Native Americans (a category that includes American Indians and Alaska Natives) were about 1.5 times the national rates. There was a disproportionate number of suicides among young male Native Americans during this period, as males 15-24 accounted for 64% of all suicides by Native Americans. - Suicide rates are generally higher than the national average in the western states and lower in the eastern and midwestern states (in the US, which is all I have figures for). - 57% of suicides in 2000 were committed with a firearm.
Depression is not always just a "mood", it can be a physical disease and could cost you your life. Thankfully, I don't suffer from "clinical depression" and don't have a brain chemical imbalance (although there are those of you who would probably swear there is some imbalance going on in there ;> ). However, like almost everyone one else alive, I have had to deal with depression at times in my life. Twenty-five years ago I was married to an abusive alcoholic and, feeling like there was not other way out, I attempted suicide. I'd like to share with you some thoughts about depression. Please note that I am not a physician or a psychiatrist, this is just personal advice from life's lessons learned.
When you find yourself experiencing depression...
First, learn how to evaluate and prioritize.
Even if you are in what you think is a hopeless situation - even if you see no way out of the deep, dark depression that overwhelms you - even though nobody is there to lend you a hand or a spare dime - THINGS WILL GET BETTER! "This, too, shall pass." Nothing lasts forever, though some things seem to. Do you have absolutely no money to pay bills? Let them cut off the phone, let them take back the TV - man survived long before we had those things, they are not essential to survival. Are you being abused by someone? GET OUT NOW! There are places to go, and even if there weren't, being a street person is better than being a punching bag. Are you being evicted from your home? Find a cheaper place to live immediately - there is low-cost housing out there, and roaches and rats won't eat more of your food than you do. Man survived living in caves with saber-toothed tigers roaming the land - you can face a rodent or two. Do you have no money for food? I can tell you from experience that the body can survive on almost nothing. And that is the main point - YOU CAN SURVIVE IT. Eventually things will get better. And if you work hard at it they can get much better. You just have to grit your teeth and stop thinking in near-future terms only. If you take the easy way out, if you give up all hope and kill yourself, then there is no chance for things to get better. As long as you're alive there is some hope that your life will improve. And take it from someone who was in the deepest pits of hell - it does get better. I would never have believed, when I was suicidal, what wonderful things I would have missed (a grandbaby's smile!) had I been successful in killing myself.
Second, really think about the consequences.
If you still think that not even a miracle could improve your lot, then I'd like you to think about this before you pick up that bottle of pills. What will you be leaving behind? Statistics show that many families of a suicide soon have another member do the same. The surviving family members are angry, not sympathetic, towards the suicide. And with the suicide no longer around, that anger gets directed inwards and becomes depression. A single suicide in a family can start a chain reaction. Children of suicides bear a burden of guilt like no other. Think about how lousy a person you would feel like if even your own mother or father had to kill her/himself to get away from you! Think about how low a child must feel to realize that the one person who is supposed to be their most trusted, loving support, does not love them enough to stick around and take care of them. And outside of the havoc you'll wreak on your own family, what will others think about you? Will they feel sorry for all the slights they made you while you were alive? Will they feel pity at all the torment you suffered that only death could ease? Will they say, "Oh if only I could have done something to help - been nicer to him/her...."? NO, THEY WILL NOT. They will tsk-tsk and remark about how unstable you always were. They will sneer in contempt at the cowardice of taking the easy way out. They will brag about how, unlike you, they've always been able to cope with their troubles. They will tell crude jokes about death and suicide to ease the vague fear they feel about it. BUT THEY WILL FORGET YOU EVER EXISTED IN LESS THAN TWO WEEKS TIME!
Learn positive "self talk".
Do you still feel like swallowing those pills or picking up that razorblade? Well, think about just one more thing. Nobody can do anything TO you. They may be directing words or actions AT you, but they can't really touch the "you" inside. You are free to react in any way you choose. You can (and probably do, from habit) choose to feel depressed, sad, victimized, hurt, betrayed, ignored, or whatever else it is you are feeling when someone says or does something mean to you. But understand: YOU ARE DOING THIS TO YOURSELF! Only you have the power over what you are feeling at any given time. No one else can "impose" a feeling on you from the outside. For example, say someone says to you, "You are a lazy, worthless @$$hole". You think that they are making you feel bad or angry by saying this. But they aren't - they can't possibly control what you feel, only you can do that. They can only try to make you feel bad. You could just as well choose to be amused by what is said, laugh, and think to yourself, 'What a stupid person he is to have such a WRONG opinion of me.' I know that it is very hard to take control of your emotions and DECIDE what you're going to feel. All our lives we are taught that people have power over our emotions - but that's wrong! Don't say, "He made me mad." The truth is that you decided to react with anger to what he said or did. Remember that control is power. If you just keep trying, if you keep using positive "self talk", it will become a habit, and you will be able to react in any way you choose in any given situation. This self-possession commands a great deal of respect from others. Once you learn how to control your emotions, the change in your life will be amazing. Because, then, YOU CAN CHOOSE TO BE HAPPY - NO MATTER WHAT LIFE THROWS AT YOU! This isn't just a platitude; it's a hard won lesson in reality. I always sum it up as, "When bad things happen in life, you can either laugh about it, or you can cry about it. Neither reaction will change what has happened, but it is so much more fun to laugh than it is to cry - and your nose won't get red!" And remember that LAUGHTER IS POWER. Laughter can banish fear, laughter can conquer bullies, and laughter can give you the strength to face things you never thought you could face.
Don't sit around and dwell on your problems - do something.
There are a few small things you can do for immediate help when you are feeling overwhelmed with depression, helplessness, and fear. First of all DO something. Rearrange the furniture, clean out a closet, and if you don't like housework, just pack up the kids and take a walk. This accomplishes two things. First of all, the physical exertion will help wash out of your bloodstream the hormones and chemicals that are associated with depression. Secondly, just the act of doing something, anything, helps get rid of that feeling of helplessness. You are taking charge of something, no matter how small, and this leads to confidence that you can take charge of the larger things. Then, find a friend to talk to. Even if there is nothing they can do to help you out of your situation, it will at least keep you in contact with a "saner" perspective on things (providing you pick a sane friend, that is ;> ). Next, find the courage to take your problems to a professional. Look in the phonebook for agencies that can help you find what you need in the way of physical, psychological, financial, or legal assistance.
Help someone else who needs it.
Please, take a moment to think about the things I've written - before you make any "final" decisions about your life. If I have helped you to get through a crisis, then please repay the favor by passing on this lesson to others who need to learn it. Remember, too, the old saying, "The man with no shoes felt pity for himself until he met the man with no feet". The best therapy of all is to trivialize your troubles by helping those with even bigger troubles.
Personally I don't need anti-depressants (my depression seems to be situational, not physical), but if you need them, don't hesitate to take them (I won't go into which ones may be best or worst ;>). Refusing to take anti-depressants when you need them is like a diabetic refusing to take insulin.
I wish love, and hope, and happiness to all of you who are struggling with this killer disease!
Hugs,
CatNipped
sriddles@aol.com - 13 Jul 2006 19:54 GMT > I dug up this editorial I wrote quite some time ago - re-reading my own > advice has actually helped me (who hasn't been too good at taking my > own advice lately) deal with what I have to deal with right now. That's good info., Lori. Revelent to everyone. I don't think I've ever had depression. I've get into terrible funks sometimes, but there's a difference between funk and depression. You can pull yourself out of a funk. Not so with real clinical depression.
Talking to people about it helps me a lot. Except I am very private, and only feel comfortable talking to my sister or DH. Or you guys here. That's kind of weird.
Sherry
Pat - 13 Jul 2006 20:27 GMT > Talking to people about it helps me a lot. Me too - on those exceedingly rare occasions when anyone is available.
Tanada - 14 Jul 2006 00:00 GMT > Talking to people about it helps me a lot. Except I am very private, > and only feel comfortable talking to my sister or DH. Or you guys here. > That's kind of weird. > > Sherry We're a cathartic group.
Pam S.
Susan M - 14 Jul 2006 03:22 GMT Adrian: I'm glad you're feeling better today - I've been worried about you. Big hugs to you.
Getting outside is good thing and I'm glad you had a good walk today. Another good strategy is to write down five good things that happen every day. It sounds inane perhaps; however, when you're depressed its hard to see the way out and hard to imagine that anything will ever get better again EVER. It *always* does but writing these things down is almost like re-programming your mind.
We're thinking about you here and Otis and Chester are revving up their purrs.
Take very good care of yourself,
{{{{Adrian}}}}
Susan M Otis and Chester
> .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years > and > I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's only > Snoopy purring that's keeping me going. glsummer@neptunelink.com - 14 Jul 2006 16:47 GMT >.....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years and >I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's only >Snoopy purring that's keeping me going. Oh, {{{{{{{Adrian}}}}}}}}}}
Hang in there. I've felt those feelings many times in my life. Besides the cats, the one thing that keeps me going is remembering that everything changes, so what seems insurmountable right now won't be tomorrow or next week.
Be kind to yourself, and let those purrs tell you how much you are needed.
Sending good thoughts to you,
Ginger-lyn
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Cheryl - 15 Jul 2006 02:08 GMT > .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point > for years and I really don't know why. I've got tears running > down my face, it's only Snoopy purring that's keeping me going. Adrian, I'm right there with you. The cats are holding me together, as they have been. Purrs that you are feeling much better today.
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H. Adam Stevens - 15 Jul 2006 02:22 GMT >> .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point >> for years and I really don't know why. I've got tears running >> down my face, it's only Snoopy purring that's keeping me going. > > Adrian, I'm right there with you. The cats are holding me together, > as they have been. Purrs that you are feeling much better today. One more use for cats: antidepressants.
Max saved my life after divorce.
It's worth it.
Think purrs as you awake and your arm is gripped and a fluffy tail thrashes in the very joy of loving you.
H.
Cheryl - 15 Jul 2006 23:54 GMT > One more use for cats: antidepressants. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Think purrs as you awake and your arm is gripped and a fluffy > tail thrashes in the very joy of loving you. Oh I know. Just the fact that they depend on me makes me be dependable. Give Max some scritches from me because he's special to you.
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Adrian A - 15 Jul 2006 10:46 GMT >> .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point >> for years and I really don't know why. I've got tears running >> down my face, it's only Snoopy purring that's keeping me going. > > Adrian, I'm right there with you. The cats are holding me together, > as they have been. Purrs that you are feeling much better today. Thanks, Cheryl. Yes I am feeling a little better now, though still fragile.
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