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Adrian A - 12 Jul 2006 22:40 GMT
.....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years and
I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's only
Snoopy purring that's keeping me going.
Helen Miles - 12 Jul 2006 22:43 GMT
> .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years and
> I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's only
> Snoopy purring that's keeping me going.////

Lots and lots of purrs and hugs.

{{{{{{{{{{ADRIAN}}}}}}}}}}}}

Helen M
Bev - 12 Jul 2006 23:05 GMT
>> .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years
>> and
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Helen M

(((((ADRIAN)))))   I know how you feel and have felt like that a number of
times in my life.   I can assure you it will pass with the help of all those
who care about you.   A loving kitty will help plus good thoughts from your
friends at RPCA.

xxxxx Bev
Adrian A - 13 Jul 2006 11:11 GMT
>>> .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for
>>> years and
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> xxxxx Bev
Bev - 12 Jul 2006 23:05 GMT
>> .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years
>> and
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Helen M

(((((ADRIAN)))))   I know how you feel and have felt like that a number of
times in my life.   I can assure you it will pass with the help of all those
who care about you.   A loving kitty will help plus good thoughts from your
friends at RPCA.

xxxxx Bev
Adrian A - 13 Jul 2006 11:12 GMT
>>> .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for
>>> years and
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> xxxxx Bev

Thanks, Bev.
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SuzQ - 13 Jul 2006 23:56 GMT

> "Adrian A" <anca@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> news:bY-dnWnfrt7F8SjZRVnyjg@brightview.com
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Helen M

(((((ADRIAN)))))   I know how you feel and have felt like that a number
of

times in my life.   I can assure you it will pass with the help of all
those
who care about you.   A loving kitty will help plus good thoughts from
your
friends at RPCA.

xxxxx Bev

==================================
Purrs to lift your Spirits Adrian.
Suz&Spicey
Dan M - 12 Jul 2006 22:56 GMT
> .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years and
> I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's only
> Snoopy purring that's keeping me going.

Adrian, I'm so glad that you've got Snoopy with you, and sorry that you're
going through this. Been there, can understand the feeling. Do you have
anyone you can talk to?

And though I know a lot of folks are sensitive about the subject, are you
currently taking antidepressants? If not, I strongly urge you to visit a
doctor and talk about whether they might help you. During Christmas week
last year I hit an all-time low - I felt so completely drained, depressed,
and down that I really didn't care whether I lived to see another day. I
was able to talk to Nancy about it, and could pet all the kitties, and
that helped in the short term. But what helped the most was visiting my
doctor and getting a prescription for Prozac. It isn't a wonder drug, it
isn't a fix-all, but it can make a world of difference - in my case, it
makes the valleys a LOT less deep.

Sending you all the purrs we can muster.

Dan
Yowie - 13 Jul 2006 01:35 GMT
> > .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years and
> > I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's only
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> isn't a fix-all, but it can make a world of difference - in my case, it
> makes the valleys a LOT less deep.

First of all *Hugs*. I"m so glad that Snoopy is htere for you.

Secondly, I want to re-iterate what Dan said. I've felt like that too, and I
talked to my doctor about it. I got Zoloft instead of Prozac, but it really
did help for the few months I needed the help. It made things bearable
whilst Real Life got itself sorted out. I no longer need to take it, but for
those few months there, well, had it not been for Zoloft making those
valleys less deep, I may not have been here, typing this now.

Anti-depressants don't "fix" stuff, but they do make things bearable whilst
you deal with the issues that need fixing.

*Hugs*

Yowie
Adrian A - 13 Jul 2006 11:11 GMT
>> .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for
>> years and I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
> Dan

Thanks for the purrs. I am seeing the doctor regularly, at the moment I'm
not taking anything I've tried several antidepressants, so far none have
really helped. When I took Prozac it actually made me feel worse and very
edgy. I'm also seeing a mental health social worker, I think in the long run
that's what's going to help. I'm not so bad today, I'll have to stop
watching the news, it's too upsetting.
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sriddles@aol.com - 13 Jul 2006 14:12 GMT
> >> .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for
> >> years and I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
> --
> Adrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera)

I think that is wise. There is nothing edifying about watching the news
IMO (and over here, who knows if what you're hearing is even the
truth). We can't do anything to change it anyway by worrying and
fretting about it.  I don't watch it either, unless I am in a good
frame of mind that particular day.
Hope you are feeling better today.

Sherry
badwilson - 13 Jul 2006 16:08 GMT
>>> .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for
>>> years and I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> think in the long run that's what's going to help. I'm not so bad
> today, I'll have to stop watching the news, it's too upsetting.

Adrian!  I'm way behind reading the group because of work and the Vino
thing.  But I just saw this post of yours and read the whole thead.  You
need to know that you are an extremely valuable member of this online
community and you have so much positive input to give.  In fact, I think
you are one of the most uplifting and positive members of the NG.
Please, plesae, please do not feel worthless or harm yourself.  You are
much loved and valued.  I really hope you are able to work through all
the issues you are facing.  I know some of them are quite serious
because you have lost many valued members of your family.  But really,
it is still worth continuing on.  Because you have a lot of love to
give.
And yes, I agree, do not watch the news.  It's just depressing.  I have
barely watched any news for over 5 years and feel I am a better person
for it.
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Adrian A - 13 Jul 2006 17:13 GMT
>>>> .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for
>>>> years and I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my
[quoted text clipped - 43 lines]
> have barely watched any news for over 5 years and feel I am a better
> person for it.

Thanks, Britta, I'm feeling a lot better this evening. I went for a walk
earlier, a beautiful warm day with not a single cloud in the sky.
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Christina Websell - 13 Jul 2006 18:58 GMT
>>> Thanks for the purrs. I am seeing the doctor regularly, at the
>>> moment I'm not taking anything I've tried several antidepressants,
>>> so far none have really helped. When I took Prozac it actually made
>>> me feel worse and very edgy.

Did your depression start from bereavement?  Mine did (plus a few more
factors that accelerated it.)  It took quite a while for Prozac to help me
but I am far better on it than off it.  It's almost impossible to cry about
anything while you are taking Prozac.
I used to be easily moved by sad situations and they would make me weep.
Not any more.  I am still moved, but I don't cry.  I can also cope better
with difficult situations at work, I can now say my piece without getting
upset.
The downside is that I get nightmares nearly every night - a known side
effect.

Tweed

I'm also seeing a mental health social
>>> worker, I think in the long run that's what's going to help. I'm
>>> not so bad today, I'll have to stop watching the news, it's too
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> Thanks, Britta, I'm feeling a lot better this evening. I went for a
> walk earlier, a beautiful warm day with not a single cloud in the sky.
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 13 Jul 2006 19:17 GMT
> It's almost impossible to cry about anything while you are taking Prozac.
> I used to be easily moved by sad situations and they would make me weep.
> Not any more.  I am still moved, but I don't cry.

Yes, that's true for me, too. But I consider it a negative effect and I
feel deprived of a natural release of emotion. Sometimes I can feel
really sad and like I need to cry, but I can't. Not that I want to be
sobbing my eyes out for hours on end, but a short "summer shower" type
of cry can really clear the air sometimes, and I miss that.

> I can also cope better with difficult situations at work, I can
> now say my piece without getting upset.

Well, there is that. If you're someone who can't help crying, to the
point of revealing emotion even when you don't want to, then a
medication that stops you from that must be a relief.

> The downside is that I get nightmares nearly every night - a known
> side effect.

I remember that from Prozac. Really long, complex, intense dreams full
of emotional upheaval, lots of raging and weeping. I felt like I was
visiting the person I used to be before the medication, in my dreams,
kind of like someone was saying, "See? This is why you take that stuff."
It was exhausting, though! This doesn't happen on Effexor.

Do you ever get intense nausea attacks? I used to get those on Prozac
regularl - I'd wake up in the middle of the night with cold sweats
and lightheadedness, and such intense nausea I'd be certain I was
about to puke my guts out. I never did, though - after about 15 minutes
or so of misery, it would just go away. I haven't gotten that from
any other A/D medication, though.

Joyce
Christina Websell - 13 Jul 2006 20:40 GMT
>> It's almost impossible to cry about anything while you are taking
>> Prozac. I used to be easily moved by sad situations and they would
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> sobbing my eyes out for hours on end, but a short "summer shower" type
> of cry can really clear the air sometimes, and I miss that.

I don't particularly miss it myself.  I was probably too sensitive about
identifying with others sad situations and Prozac has cut this out.  It's a
relief really.

>> I can also cope better with difficult situations at work, I can
>> now say my piece without getting upset.
>
> Well, there is that. If you're someone who can't help crying, to the
> point of revealing emotion even when you don't want to, then a
> medication that stops you from that must be a relief.

When I felt anger, I would cry.  This prevented me from sharing my views on
a contentious subject when high emotions were flying around in my team.  I
can now do this with no difficulty.

>> The downside is that I get nightmares nearly every night - a known
>> side effect.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> kind of like someone was saying, "See? This is why you take that
> stuff." It was exhausting, though! This doesn't happen on Effexor.

The nightmares are pretty bad.  Not bad enough for me to go on Effexor
though.
Here's an example.  I get home from work and see a plane in the sky.
Suddenly it bursts into flames and comes down.   I see that it is heading
directly for my kennels with dogs in (I don't even have these any more) and
start to run down the garden to the kennels.  It's too late.  The burning
plane lands directly on my dogs and there is nothing I can do about it.

That's a relatively minor dream.

Tweed

> Do you ever get intense nausea attacks? I used to get those on Prozac
> regularl - I'd wake up in the middle of the night with cold sweats
> and lightheadedness, and such intense nausea I'd be certain I was
> about to puke my guts out.

I don't get the sort of nausea you are describing, but I heave a lot in the
mornings as if I need to be sick.  It's a nuisance as I sometimes have to
walk away from a conversation with no explanation in order to do it alone.
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 13 Jul 2006 20:52 GMT
> The nightmares are pretty bad.  Not bad enough for me to go on Effexor
> though.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> start to run down the garden to the kennels.  It's too late.  The burning
> plane lands directly on my dogs and there is nothing I can do about it.

I've had similar dreams, except that when the plane hits the ground, it
always ends up being a small plastic toy plane. Really! I've had this dream
a number of times. Also, there are no flames. It's just that a huge plane
is coming down and it looks so menacing, and then it ends up being nothing
more than a toy. I'm sure that must have some significance!

Joyce
Christina Websell - 13 Jul 2006 21:46 GMT
>> The nightmares are pretty bad.  Not bad enough for me to go on
>> Effexor though.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> it ends up being nothing more than a toy. I'm sure that must have
> some significance!

My planes do not end up as toys.  My dogs burn to death in front of my eyes
and I wake up screaming.
Next time I am up for a medication review I maybe ought to mention it.  As
soon as I wake up in a panic I realise it's not real, but it's very
distressing all the same.  It takes a while for my heartbeat to calm down
and for me to realise that it hasn't actually happened.

Tweed
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 13 Jul 2006 22:49 GMT
> My planes do not end up as toys.  My dogs burn to death in front of my eyes
> and I wake up screaming.

<<shudder>> That *does* sound... well, nightmarish.

> Next time I am up for a medication review I maybe ought to mention it.  As
> soon as I wake up in a panic I realise it's not real, but it's very
> distressing all the same.  It takes a while for my heartbeat to calm down
> and for me to realise that it hasn't actually happened.

I can't see that being good for your mental health! Prozac is one of the
oldest of the SSRIs. On one hand, that's good because it's been around for
a long time and therefore there's* data on long-term use. But newer drugs,
although not in use for as long, are also more specific and also a number
of the side effects have been minimized.

Joyce

* "there's" is not a typo or a mistake.
Adrian A - 13 Jul 2006 21:10 GMT
>>>> Thanks for the purrs. I am seeing the doctor regularly, at the
>>>> moment I'm not taking anything I've tried several antidepressants,
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Tweed

Yes, it did, my little brother committed suicide aged 40, part of me died
that day. :-(
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Adrian A - 13 Jul 2006 21:31 GMT
>>>>> Thanks for the purrs. I am seeing the doctor regularly, at the
>>>>> moment I'm not taking anything I've tried several antidepressants,
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> Yes, it did, my little brother committed suicide aged 40, part of me
> died that day. :-(

This happened two months after my grandfather died, three days later my next
door neighbour who was aslo my best friend died of a heart attack aged 65.
Within a few months I lost a cat, Smokey, then a cousin, one week before her
21st birthday. This was due to medical negligence.
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Jo Firey - 14 Jul 2006 01:32 GMT
>>>>>> Thanks for the purrs. I am seeing the doctor regularly, at the
>>>>>> moment I'm not taking anything I've tried several antidepressants,
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> her
> 21st birthday. This was due to medical negligence.

Suicide can be such a cruel legacy to leave.  No matter how much he may have
felt he had no choice.  All the conversation on the group on grief and
depression has had me remembering more what a horrid year 2004 was for me
and my family.  When many loses bunch up like that it makes you super
sensitive I think forever.  Like scars that don't want to heal.  After going
through that, even a single loss makes you fear the whole world is crashing
in.

Sometimes you really have to work at appreciating the good stuff.

Today was a very good day.  Took Kayla to the park with my youngest grandson
Ryan, then took him out for a haircut.  Went to see the movie Cars (I loved
it.  Can't wait for the video so I can see the dialogue)  Then went out for
desert.  Days like this a few and far between, but just knowing there might
be another one ahead somewhere helps.

Jo
Adrian A - 14 Jul 2006 10:04 GMT
>>>>>>> Thanks for the purrs. I am seeing the doctor regularly, at the
>>>>>>> moment I'm not taking anything I've tried several
[quoted text clipped - 44 lines]
>
> Jo

The good stuff is usually something simple, last night I sat on my doorstep
and watched two hedgehogs snuffling arround each other, this went on for
nearly half an hour. It was quite thereputic to be so close to wild animals.
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Tanada - 14 Jul 2006 13:54 GMT
> The good stuff is usually something simple, last night I sat on my doorstep
> and watched two hedgehogs snuffling arround each other, this went on for
> nearly half an hour. It was quite thereputic to be so close to wild animals.

I wanna see hedge hogs someday.  I'm hoping today will be a good day, as
yesterday was chaotic at best.  I remember one day that started out with
coffee and a paper on the patio, then we wandered down at the local
wilderness preserve, where we had a picnic.  We ended the day with
everyone in the group just hanging out in the living room yakking about
everything and anything.  I tend to take myself there when it gets too
tough dealing with the here and now.

Pam S. who loves good food, friends, and talk.
Jo Firey - 14 Jul 2006 15:00 GMT
>> The good stuff is usually something simple, last night I sat on my
>> doorstep
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> everything and anything.  I tend to take myself there when it gets too
> tough dealing with the here and now.

That's the way its done.

I had a traumatic event in my life that I couldn't control in my mind. The
therapist I saw used light hypnosis to like that memory to another really
happy and safe time.  So when I start to go to the "bad place"  I have a
choice to go somewhere better.

Jo
Jo Firey - 14 Jul 2006 15:00 GMT
>>>>>>>> Thanks for the purrs. I am seeing the doctor regularly, at the
>>>>>>>> moment I'm not taking anything I've tried several
[quoted text clipped - 50 lines]
> nearly half an hour. It was quite thereputic to be so close to wild
> animals.

Oh, that is thrilling to even think about.  (no hedge hogs here)

We did see a paper on their care at PETCO yesterday while checking out the
Chinchilla and the Rats and buying cookies for the dogs.  The did have the
sweetest Teddy Bear Hamster.

So maybe the sell them as pets in the US?  Still I'd love to see wild ones.

Jo
Christina Websell - 13 Jul 2006 21:35 GMT
>>>>> Thanks for the purrs. I am seeing the doctor regularly, at the
>>>>> moment I'm not taking anything I've tried several antidepressants,
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> Yes, it did, my little brother committed suicide aged 40, part of me
> died that day. :-(

Sudden death is so terrible for the family.  That's what happened to me (not
suicide) but sudden unexpected death of the person I was most close to in
the world.  I've grieved so much maybe there isn't any grief left in me.
Nothing is going to bring her back.  I have to accept that after 3 years.

I could continue to let it affect my life.  It would be easy to do that.  I
am trying to get out from under it.  She will still be gone in 10 years time
and I don't want to be in the same place then as I am now.
I am trying very hard to remember the happy memories and move on.  I hope
you will soon be able to get to this point.  It's not easy, you'll have to
work at it.

Tweed
Winnie - 13 Jul 2006 22:44 GMT
> Sudden death is so terrible for the family.  That's what happened to me (not
> suicide) but sudden unexpected death of the person I was most close to in
> the world.  I've grieved so much maybe there isn't any grief left in me.
> Nothing is going to bring her back.  I have to accept that after 3 years.

My father died suddenly of a heart attack. That was 2 weeks after I
lost my job, and 1 week
after the vet diagnosed Rusty with renal sufficiency (turned out he was
misdiagnosed).
I woke up in the middle of the night crying. It took me years to get
over it.

Winnie

> I could continue to let it affect my life.  It would be easy to do that.  I
> am trying to get out from under it.  She will still be gone in 10 years time
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Tweed
Tanada - 13 Jul 2006 18:50 GMT
> Thanks for the purrs. I am seeing the doctor regularly, at the moment I'm
> not taking anything I've tried several antidepressants, so far none have
> really helped. When I took Prozac it actually made me feel worse and very
> edgy. I'm also seeing a mental health social worker, I think in the long run
> that's what's going to help. I'm not so bad today, I'll have to stop
> watching the news, it's too upsetting.

Man, insist on them testing you for everything, including earworms if
necessary.  Then get yourself DVDs of cartoons, funny movies, whatever
you enjoy watching, then turn off that &()*(( news and watch something
fun.  I learned the hard way during Desert Storm, that if it directly
concerns you, it will find you, no matter where you are.

Personally, I like 1776. Bed knobs and Broomsticks, Paint Your Wagon,
Harry Potter, Renaissance Man, Wizards, Heavy metal, and the Babylon5
series really perks me up.  I also love the Hercules series, but I only
have seasons 1 and 6.  Mike and Rob seem to like the DVDs of the "Dead
Like Me" series that was once on Showtime.  I think it's morbid, though.

Pam S. wondering what movies/cartoons you'd recommend for Adrian to watch
Pat - 13 Jul 2006 19:28 GMT
> wondering what movies/cartoons you'd recommend for Adrian to watch

A Fish Called Wanda
My Cousin Vinny
What Women Want
The Prince of Tides (not funny but a great catharsis)
Bruce Almighty

And agreeing with Pam about Paint Your Wagon, for sure.
The others she mentioned, I have not seen.
Adrian A - 13 Jul 2006 21:07 GMT
>> Thanks for the purrs. I am seeing the doctor regularly, at the
>> moment I'm not taking anything I've tried several antidepressants,
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> Pam S. wondering what movies/cartoons you'd recommend for Adrian to
> watch

I've got a Stargate SG-1 DVD in the post, with any luck it will arrive
tomorrow or Saturday. I wonder what the doctor would say if I asked to be
tested for earworms. ;-)
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Tanada - 13 Jul 2006 23:59 GMT
> I've got a Stargate SG-1 DVD in the post, with any luck it will arrive
> tomorrow or Saturday. I wonder what the doctor would say if I asked to be
> tested for earworms. ;-)

A good question.  Let us know what he says.

Pam S.
mlbriggs - 14 Jul 2006 00:29 GMT
>>> Thanks for the purrs. I am seeing the doctor regularly, at the
>>> moment I'm not taking anything I've tried several antidepressants,
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> tomorrow or Saturday. I wonder what the doctor would say if I asked to be
> tested for earworms. ;-)

Speaking of earworms, have you heard Taylor Hicks sing "Possibilities"?
That will keep them wiggling.   MLB
polonca12000 - 15 Jul 2006 23:10 GMT
> Thanks for the purrs. I am seeing the doctor regularly, at the moment I'm
> not taking anything I've tried several antidepressants, so far none have
> really helped. When I took Prozac it actually made me feel worse and very
> edgy. I'm also seeing a mental health social worker, I think in the long run
> that's what's going to help. I'm not so bad today, I'll have to stop
> watching the news, it's too upsetting.

I have stopped watching the news years ago. Watching them just made me
feel so incredibly sad and I felt so helpless.
I don't know if this would work for you, but taking a walk really makes
me feel calmer and more positive. Seeing kitties and doggies when taking
a walk always makes me smile.
We are thinking of you, Adrian, sending lots and lots of purrs and best
wishes for you to start feeling much better really soon,
Polonca and Soncek
Adrian A - 16 Jul 2006 10:03 GMT
>> Thanks for the purrs. I am seeing the doctor regularly, at the
>> moment I'm not taking anything I've tried several antidepressants,
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> best wishes for you to start feeling much better really soon,
> Polonca and Soncek

I've been trying to walk more lately, I sometimes borrow a friends d-thing
to take with me. ;-)
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Irulan - 12 Jul 2006 23:10 GMT
Purrs and prayers from us that you feel better soon.

Lily & her mama

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> .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years
> and
> I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's only
> Snoopy purring that's keeping me going.
Matthew - 12 Jul 2006 23:11 GMT
> .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years
> and
> I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's only
> Snoopy purring that's keeping me going.

Adrian  Me and you are  friend over the internet you have many of us out
here.  We are all giving you the much need support, hug sand prayers for
you.  You have lifted me up when I needed it along with many others out
here.  I am returning the favor  that fleeting touch you just felt after
reading this  it was me and everyone else putting their hand on your
shoulder and wrapping their arms around telling you it will be ok.
   I have had so many days like yours  what gets me thru and keeps me going
are the four legs. I look at them and say they need me I need them  I am not
going anywhere.  Now you know my secret of why I love my furballs so much
and with knowing that secret  we are much more than friends now.  Remember
we are out here
Shirley - 12 Jul 2006 23:12 GMT
> .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for
> years and
> I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's
> only
> Snoopy purring that's keeping me going.

{{{{{{{Adrian}}}}}}}

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Karen - 12 Jul 2006 23:39 GMT
> .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years and
> I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's only
> Snoopy purring that's keeping me going.

Oh dear, Adrian!! Please, please know we are here (I know, that
probably isn't a huge help right now) for you. Please consider seeing
someone about this. (((((((((((((hugs))))))))))))))
Mishi - 12 Jul 2006 23:49 GMT
>.....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years and
>I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's only
>Snoopy purring that's keeping me going.

{{{Hugs}}} Adrian - I know how you feel. I was at that point last
week, and what kept me here is the thought that my cats would die if I
did. :(  I had constant cat companionship on those days - I think they
set up a schedule between themselves to keep me company.  I laid down
for a while, and pretty soon I had 8 cats with me - practically every
spot that they could touch had a cat laying against it. Amanda was on
the pillow at top of my head, Sasquatch was laying against my face and
neck, Keiri against my back, Bear on my stomach, Boyce behind me.
Cougar laid against the front of my legs, and Marble at the back, with
Jacob covering my feet. (I was laying on my right side.) They were all
purring, at volume. It definitely helped.  Kitty cuddles are the best!

Patti
polonca12000 - 15 Jul 2006 23:17 GMT
>>.....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years and
>>I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's only
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Patti

I'm so glad your kitties are taking such good care of you, Patti.
Lots and lots of purrs and best wishes,
Polonca and Soncek
Pat - 12 Jul 2006 23:57 GMT
> .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years
> and
> I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's only
> Snoopy purring that's keeping me going.

I've been pretty low lately myself. Complicating matters is the fact that I
have no one to talk to. Been a hermit too long, and seeing no way out of
having too much chronic pain and too little money, the outlook is very
bleak, especially when one is clinically depressed to begin with.

Someone mentioned this website which has help on it. It has a test for
depression. My result was "severely depressed - seek medical help".

http://www.authentichappiness.sas.upenn.edu/books.aspx?id=186

There is good info on that site. Check it out.
Adrian A - 13 Jul 2006 11:15 GMT
>> .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for
>> years and
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> There is good info on that site. Check it out.

Thanks, Pat. It's all too easy to become a hermit, I've been forcing myself
to go out lately, maybe I've overdone it. I feel exhausted.
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CatNipped - 13 Jul 2006 00:15 GMT
{{{{{{{{{{Adrian}}}}}}}}}}

I've been there too - hang in there, your kitties need you (and that has
been the only thing keeping me here at times too)!

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> .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years
> and
> I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's only
> Snoopy purring that's keeping me going.
Enfilade - 13 Jul 2006 13:37 GMT
> {{{{{{{{{{Adrian}}}}}}}}}}
>
> I've been there too - hang in there, your kitties need you (and that has
> been the only thing keeping me here at times too)!

Many purrs for you Adrian.

Just because I had problems with the pill I was given, does not mean
that I'm sorry I took it.  It probably saved my life, or at least made
my family's lives more pleasant while I recovered.  In the end, even if
I didn't care about myself, I still cared about my kitties and had to
do something to get better, so I wouldn't hurt them by mistake, so I
could look after them.

Regardless, take care of yourself and bright blessings.

--Fil
Denise Clere - 13 Jul 2006 00:27 GMT
(((((Adrian)))))
> .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years
> and
> I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's only
> Snoopy purring that's keeping me going.
Joy - 13 Jul 2006 00:30 GMT
> .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years and
> I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's only
> Snoopy purring that's keeping me going.

Thank heaven for Snoopy's purring!

(((((((((Adrian)))))))))

Purrs and hugs to all who have felt this despair, and especially those who
are still feeling it.

Joy
jmcquown - 13 Jul 2006 00:34 GMT
> .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for
> years and I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my
> face, it's only Snoopy purring that's keeping me going.

{{{{{{{Adrian}}}}}}  Don't go that route.  The cats aren't the only ones who
will be left behind.

Jill
Victor Martinez - 13 Jul 2006 00:36 GMT
> .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years and
> I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's only
> Snoopy purring that's keeping me going.

Is there anything we can do to help? It's hard being so far away, but
even a phone call might be useful?
*Purrs*

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Kreisleriana - 13 Jul 2006 00:47 GMT
>.....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years and
>I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's only
>Snoopy purring that's keeping me going.

We are sending you mega-mega-no-questions-asked-purrs.

Theresa
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Christina Websell - 13 Jul 2006 00:58 GMT
> .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years
> and
> I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's only
> Snoopy purring that's keeping me going.

Please don't do anything silly, for the sake of your family who love you and
your cats who need you.  You can private mail me if it would help, or even
telephone.
I know how you feel, I've been there.  It will pass so just hang in there.

(hugs)
Tweed
sriddles@aol.com - 13 Jul 2006 01:13 GMT
> .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years and
> I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's only
> Snoopy purring that's keeping me going.

Adrian!!?? This post is not at all like you. Please know we all care
very much. Is there anything I can do?

Sherry
Stormin Mormon - 13 Jul 2006 01:34 GMT
Hang in there. Night sleep, and some daylight tomorrow and it should
look better.

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.....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for
years and
I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's
only
Snoopy purring that's keeping me going.
Singh - 13 Jul 2006 03:01 GMT
You and I are riding that same slow boat, and I know how it feels to have to
bail like hell to keep your butt afloat. I'm glad you didn't end it. Thank
Snoopy from all of us who care about you. Please keep going. Purrs and a prayer
are going up at this very moment. We're fortunate to have Brandy here, who does
a great job as Morale Officer, and she's got a loud motor.

Blessed be,
Baha

> .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years and
> I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's only
> Snoopy purring that's keeping me going.
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 13 Jul 2006 03:40 GMT
> .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years and
> I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's only
> Snoopy purring that's keeping me going.

However bad things seem, sometimes, don't EVER let them get
you to that point!  Think of all the wonderful things that
might yet happen in your life.  Would you really want to
miss those, just because you're super depressed now?  Purrs
and prayers that you'll soon be feeling more cheerful.
Sam - 13 Jul 2006 05:05 GMT
> ......I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years and
> I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's only
> Snoopy purring that's keeping me going.

{{{{{{{{{{ Adrian }}}}}}}}}}

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Lesley - 13 Jul 2006 10:28 GMT
> .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years and
> I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's only
> Snoopy purring that's keeping me going.

{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ Adrian}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

Furballs sent their purrs as well

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
Adrian A - 13 Jul 2006 11:20 GMT
>> .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for
>> years and I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Slave of the Fabulous Furballs

Thank you, Lesley and thanks to everybody for the support, it does help.
Snoopy's snoring in a patch of sun now, I don't know what I'd do without
her.
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bttngl - 14 Jul 2006 02:08 GMT
Bttngl wrote:
>Lesley wrote:
> > Adrian A wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> >Slave of the Fabulous Furballs

Adrian, I've waited and read all the way down, I think that's how it is
done. I checked out your photos and now I see why your beautiful Snoopy
is comforting to you. He's beautiful and looks so cuddly. A cat is so
sensitive to tell when you need them and just how to make things right.
There is truly nothing wrong with a doc's help too. I wish I knew what
to say to help. Always talk it through with somebody. Call somebody. I
won't hog the space, You have such a wonderful support team here. You
are in my thoughts tonight and prayers, bless you. bttngl.
Tanada - 13 Jul 2006 18:39 GMT
> .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years and
> I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's only
> Snoopy purring that's keeping me going.

Sweetie, please don't end it.  We haven't met yet, and yet I feel as
though you are one of my adopted sons.  You seem depressed and now is
the time to seek help.  Have you ever been checked for diabetes?  When
my blood sugars get crazy is when I get those end it thoughts.  Have you
seen a doctor lately?  Please do so, and if nothing medical is found,
please see a counselor.

We care about you very much.

Pam S. who wants to meet Adrian, all the Helens and so forth.
CatNipped - 13 Jul 2006 19:34 GMT
I dug up this editorial I wrote quite some time ago - re-reading my own
advice has actually helped me (who hasn't been too good at taking my
own advice lately) deal with what I have to deal with right now.

===============================================================

Facts from the [US] National Center for Injury Prevention and Control:

- Suicide took the lives of 29,350 Americans in 2000.
- More people die from suicide than from homicide. In 2000, there were
1.7 times as many suicides as homicides.
- Overall, suicide is the 11th leading cause of death for all
Americans, and is the third leading cause of death for young people
aged 15-24.
- Males are more than four times more likely to die from suicide than
are females. However, females are more likely to attempt suicide than
are males.
- 1999, white males accounted for 72% of all suicides. Together, white
males and white females accounted for over 90% of all suicides.
However, during the period from 1979-1992, suicide rates for Native
Americans (a category that includes American Indians and Alaska
Natives) were about 1.5 times the national rates. There was a
disproportionate number of suicides among young male Native Americans
during this period, as males 15-24 accounted for 64% of all suicides by
Native Americans.
- Suicide rates are generally higher than the national average in the
western states and lower in the eastern and midwestern states (in the
US, which is all I have figures for).
- 57% of suicides in 2000 were committed with a firearm.

Depression is not always just a "mood", it can be a physical disease
and could cost you your life. Thankfully, I don't suffer from "clinical
depression" and don't have a brain chemical imbalance (although there
are those of you who would probably swear there is some imbalance going
on in there ;> ). However, like almost everyone one else alive, I have
had to deal with depression at times in my life. Twenty-five years ago
I was married to an abusive alcoholic and, feeling like there was not
other way out, I attempted suicide. I'd like to share with you some
thoughts about depression. Please note that I am not a physician or a
psychiatrist, this is just personal advice from life's lessons learned.

When you find yourself experiencing depression...

First, learn how to evaluate and prioritize.

Even if you are in what you think is a hopeless situation - even if you
see no way out of the deep, dark depression that overwhelms you - even
though nobody is there to lend you a hand or a spare dime - THINGS WILL
GET BETTER! "This, too, shall pass." Nothing lasts forever, though some
things seem to. Do you have absolutely no money to pay bills? Let them
cut off the phone, let them take back the TV - man survived long before
we had those things, they are not essential to survival. Are you being
abused by someone? GET OUT NOW! There are places to go, and even if
there weren't, being a street person is better than being a punching
bag. Are you being evicted from your home? Find a cheaper place to live
immediately - there is low-cost housing out there, and roaches and rats
won't eat more of your food than you do. Man survived living in caves
with saber-toothed tigers roaming the land - you can face a rodent or
two. Do you have no money for food? I can tell you from experience that
the body can survive on almost nothing. And that is the main point -
YOU CAN SURVIVE IT. Eventually things will get better. And if you work
hard at it they can get much better. You just have to grit your teeth
and stop thinking in near-future terms only. If you take the easy way
out, if you give up all hope and kill yourself, then there is no chance
for things to get better. As long as you're alive there is some hope
that your life will improve. And take it from someone who was in the
deepest pits of hell  - it does get better. I would never have
believed, when I was suicidal, what wonderful things I would have
missed (a grandbaby's smile!) had I been successful in killing
myself.

Second, really think about the consequences.

If you still think that not even a miracle could improve your lot, then
I'd like you to think about this before you pick up that bottle of
pills. What will you be leaving behind? Statistics show that many
families of a suicide soon have another member do the same. The
surviving family members are angry, not sympathetic, towards the
suicide. And with the suicide no longer around, that anger gets
directed inwards and becomes depression. A single suicide in a family
can start a chain reaction. Children of suicides bear a burden of guilt
like no other. Think about how lousy a person you would feel like if
even your own mother or father had to kill her/himself to get away from
you! Think about how low a child must feel to realize that the one
person who is supposed to be their most trusted, loving support, does
not love them enough to stick around and take care of them. And outside
of the havoc you'll wreak on your own family, what will others think
about you? Will they feel sorry for all the slights they made you while
you were alive? Will they feel pity at all the torment you suffered
that only death could ease? Will they say, "Oh if only I could have
done something to help - been nicer to him/her...."? NO, THEY WILL NOT.
They will tsk-tsk and remark about how unstable you always were. They
will sneer in contempt at the cowardice of taking the easy way out.
They will brag about how, unlike you, they've always been able to
cope with their troubles. They will tell crude jokes about death and
suicide to ease the vague fear they feel about it. BUT THEY WILL FORGET
YOU EVER EXISTED IN LESS THAN TWO WEEKS TIME!

Learn positive "self talk".

Do you still feel like swallowing those pills or picking up that
razorblade? Well, think about just one more thing. Nobody can do
anything TO you. They may be directing words or actions AT you, but
they can't really touch the "you" inside. You are free to react in any
way you choose. You can (and probably do, from habit) choose to feel
depressed, sad, victimized, hurt, betrayed, ignored, or whatever else
it is you are feeling when someone says or does something mean to you.
But understand: YOU ARE DOING THIS TO YOURSELF! Only you have the power
over what you are feeling at any given time. No one else can "impose" a
feeling on you from the outside. For example, say someone says to you,
"You are a lazy, worthless @$$hole". You think that they are making you
feel bad or angry by saying this. But they aren't - they can't possibly
control what you feel, only you can do that. They can only try to make
you feel bad. You could just as well choose to be amused by what is
said, laugh, and think to yourself, 'What a stupid person he is to
have such a WRONG opinion of me.' I know that it is very hard to take
control of your emotions and DECIDE what you're going to feel. All
our lives we are taught that people have power over our emotions - but
that's wrong! Don't say, "He made me mad." The truth is that you
decided to react with anger to what he said or did. Remember that
control is power. If you just keep trying, if you keep using positive
"self talk", it will become a habit, and you will be able to react in
any way you choose in any given situation. This self-possession
commands a great deal of respect from others. Once you learn how to
control your emotions, the change in your life will be amazing.
Because, then, YOU CAN CHOOSE TO BE HAPPY - NO MATTER WHAT LIFE THROWS
AT YOU! This isn't just a platitude; it's a hard won lesson in reality.
I always sum it up as, "When bad things happen in life, you can either
laugh about it, or you can cry about it. Neither reaction will change
what has happened, but it is so much more fun to laugh than it is to
cry - and your nose won't get red!" And remember that LAUGHTER IS
POWER. Laughter can banish fear, laughter can conquer bullies, and
laughter can give you the strength to face things you never thought you
could face.

Don't sit around and dwell on your problems - do something.

There are a few small things you can do for immediate help when you are
feeling overwhelmed with depression, helplessness, and fear. First of
all DO something. Rearrange the furniture, clean out a closet, and if
you don't like housework, just pack up the kids and take a walk. This
accomplishes two things. First of all, the physical exertion will help
wash out of your bloodstream the hormones and chemicals that are
associated with depression. Secondly, just the act of doing something,
anything, helps get rid of that feeling of helplessness. You are taking
charge of something, no matter how small, and this leads to confidence
that you can take charge of the larger things. Then, find a friend to
talk to. Even if there is nothing they can do to help you out of your
situation, it will at least keep you in contact with a "saner"
perspective on things (providing you pick a sane friend, that is ;> ).
Next, find the courage to take your problems to a professional. Look in
the phonebook for agencies that can help you find what you need in the
way of physical, psychological, financial, or legal assistance.

Help someone else who needs it.

Please, take a moment to think about the things I've written - before
you make any "final" decisions about your life. If I have helped you to
get through a crisis, then please repay the favor by passing on this
lesson to others who need to learn it. Remember, too, the old saying,
"The man with no shoes felt pity for himself until he met the man with
no feet". The best therapy of all is to trivialize your troubles by
helping those with even bigger troubles.

Personally I don't need anti-depressants (my depression seems to be
situational, not physical), but if you need them, don't hesitate to
take them (I won't go into which ones may be best or worst ;>).
Refusing to take anti-depressants when you need them is like a diabetic
refusing to take insulin.

I wish love, and hope, and happiness to all of you who are struggling
with this killer disease!

Hugs,

CatNipped
sriddles@aol.com - 13 Jul 2006 19:54 GMT
> I dug up this editorial I wrote quite some time ago - re-reading my own
> advice has actually helped me (who hasn't been too good at taking my
> own advice lately) deal with what I have to deal with right now.

That's good info., Lori. Revelent to everyone. I don't think I've ever
had depression. I've get into terrible funks sometimes, but there's a
difference between funk and depression. You can pull yourself out of a
funk. Not so with real clinical depression.

Talking to people about it helps me a lot. Except I am very private,
and only feel comfortable talking to my sister or DH. Or you guys here.
That's kind of weird.

Sherry
Pat - 13 Jul 2006 20:27 GMT
> Talking to people about it helps me a lot.

Me too - on those exceedingly rare occasions when anyone is available.
Tanada - 14 Jul 2006 00:00 GMT
> Talking to people about it helps me a lot. Except I am very private,
> and only feel comfortable talking to my sister or DH. Or you guys here.
> That's kind of weird.
>
> Sherry

We're a cathartic group.

Pam S.
Susan M - 14 Jul 2006 03:22 GMT
Adrian:  I'm glad you're feeling better today - I've been worried about you.
Big hugs to you.

Getting outside is good thing and I'm glad you had a good walk today.
Another good strategy is to write down five good things that happen every
day.  It sounds inane perhaps; however, when you're depressed its hard to
see the way out and hard to imagine that anything will ever get better again
EVER.  It *always* does but writing these things down is almost like
re-programming your mind.

We're thinking about you here and Otis and Chester are revving up their
purrs.

Take very good care of yourself,

{{{{Adrian}}}}

Susan M
Otis and Chester

> .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years
> and
> I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's only
> Snoopy purring that's keeping me going.
glsummer@neptunelink.com - 14 Jul 2006 16:47 GMT
>.....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point for years and
>I really don't know why. I've got tears running down my face, it's only
>Snoopy purring that's keeping me going.

Oh, {{{{{{{Adrian}}}}}}}}}}

Hang in there.  I've felt those feelings many times in my life.
Besides the cats, the one thing that keeps me going is remembering
that everything changes, so what seems insurmountable right now won't
be tomorrow or next week.

Be kind to yourself, and let those purrs tell you how much you are
needed.

Sending good thoughts to you,

Ginger-lyn

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Cheryl - 15 Jul 2006 02:08 GMT
> .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point
> for years and I really don't know why. I've got tears running
> down my face, it's only Snoopy purring that's keeping me going.

Adrian, I'm right there with you. The cats are holding me together,
as they have been. Purrs that you are feeling much better today.

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H. Adam Stevens - 15 Jul 2006 02:22 GMT
>> .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point
>> for years and I really don't know why. I've got tears running
>> down my face, it's only Snoopy purring that's keeping me going.
>
> Adrian, I'm right there with you. The cats are holding me together,
> as they have been. Purrs that you are feeling much better today.

One more use for cats: antidepressants.

Max saved my life after divorce.

It's worth it.

Think purrs as you awake and your arm is gripped and a fluffy tail thrashes
in the very joy of loving you.

H.
Cheryl - 15 Jul 2006 23:54 GMT
> One more use for cats: antidepressants.
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Think purrs as you awake and your arm is gripped and a fluffy
> tail thrashes in the very joy of loving you.

Oh I know. Just the fact that they depend on me makes me be
dependable. Give Max some scritches from me because he's special to
you.

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Adrian A - 15 Jul 2006 10:46 GMT
>> .....I would have ended it all tonight. I'm at my lowest point
>> for years and I really don't know why. I've got tears running
>> down my face, it's only Snoopy purring that's keeping me going.
>
> Adrian, I'm right there with you. The cats are holding me together,
> as they have been. Purrs that you are feeling much better today.

Thanks, Cheryl. Yes I am feeling a little better now, though still fragile.
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