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Helen Miles - 11 Jul 2006 00:05 GMT
We've just got back from an 10.30pm emergency vet visit. Tiger decided
that he was going to be violently ill this evening and chuck up
everywhere. Of course, it turns out that he is being sick because his
anal glands are impacted again. I am somewhat relieved, but not overly
impressed in having to pay an emergency vet fee when he's already been
booked to go to the vet at 8.30am tomorrow for a full physical, and has
been for the last week. Typical bastard cat trick.

Anyway, that aside, I started talking to the emergency vet as I was
paying the bill. We got onto the subject of stray animals - basically I
said I felt like an over anxious paranoid mommy (I am) and she told me
not to feel bad as it made a nice chance to have an owner who actually
cared about their sick pet. It seems as it is the emergency vet for the
whole of Cardiff, the RSPCA use it as a bit of a dumping ground for sick
and injured animals. She mentioned that they get so many stray dogs and
cats, any stray that is injured is usually made comfortable and then
after 24 hours, if no owner is found, is put to sleep.

She said that even the healthy ones are often put to sleep as the RSPCA
don't want the bother of finding homes for them and often the owners,
when found don't want them either. She went on to say that a microchip
is no longer a guarantee that they would find an owner because so many
people can't be bothered to update microchips, or don't want the animal
- especially dogs - they're dumped, and it's usually the youngsters. :o(

Last week she had to put 12 dogs to sleep, and a similar number of cats,
simply because they had been dumped by their owners, had become stray,
and had ended up injured and in the hands of the RSPCA. I mentioned Lily
to her, as she was the lass who patched her up when she was first found
by Cats Protection and taken to the vet, and I said how well Lily was
now doing.

She told me how relieved she was that Cats Protection got hold her and
that when the RSPCA picked up Lily from the vet by mistake it had really
upset her, because had Cats Protection not demanded her back, Lily
wouldn't have had a chance.

Please hug all your furry kids tonight and tell them how lucky they are,
and please say a prayer for those who go to the bridge.

Helen M    
Monique Y. Mudama - 11 Jul 2006 01:01 GMT
> Please hug all your furry kids tonight and tell them how lucky they
> are, and please say a prayer for those who go to the bridge.

Absolutely.

The vet techs at the local emergency clinic seem to have the same
attitude -- I apologized for calling roughly eight billion times about
my cat, but they said they were just glad to talk to an owner who
cared enough to do that.

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Karen AKA Kajikit - 11 Jul 2006 01:51 GMT
>Anyway, that aside, I started talking to the emergency vet as I was
>paying the bill. We got onto the subject of stray animals - basically I
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>people can't be bothered to update microchips, or don't want the animal
>- especially dogs - they're dumped, and it's usually the youngsters. :o(

Sad? I think it's disgusting... how can they POSSIBLY claim to care
about animals and not even give them the tiniest hair of a fighting
chance? I thought it was bad that Tessie was only given three days,
but 24 hours? :(

I'm glad that it was only a minor health problem for your furbaby...
Helen Miles - 11 Jul 2006 11:28 GMT
> Sad? I think it's disgusting... how can they POSSIBLY claim to care
> about animals and not even give them the tiniest hair of a fighting
> chance? I thought it was bad that Tessie was only given three days,
> but 24 hours? :( ////

Unfortunately, despite their millions in the bank, if an animal is going
to cost more than £50 to treat, the RSPCA euthanaise. They also
routinely tell the vet practice to euthanaise healthy animals that have
come in as strays. The RSPCA in this area don't give a sh*t. The vet
went on to say that any strays going into the branch practice about 15
miles away have more of a chance because they are handled by a different
rescue organisation. Unfortunately it is a reflection of the throw away
society we live in. The vet practice tries to get as many animals into a
specific rescue organisation in Bristol that it can, but if the RSPCA
are in charge of it, the animals very rarely have any kind of chance.
One of the reasons I turned down a job as an inspector with the RSPCA is
because their policies STINK.

Helen M
Jo Firey - 11 Jul 2006 02:02 GMT
> We've just got back from an 10.30pm emergency vet visit. Tiger decided
> that he was going to be violently ill this evening and chuck up
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> booked to go to the vet at 8.30am tomorrow for a full physical, and has
> been for the last week. Typical bastard cat trick.

I'm starting to think these after hours vet visits are the feline equivalent
of playing "made you look".

And I hope his antics (yes I know he really felt ill, but don't they ever
feel ill at 9am?) are an indication of his overall good health.  That
anything found on the all day physical is easily handled.

Jo
Cheryl - 11 Jul 2006 02:22 GMT
> Please hug all your furry kids tonight and tell them how lucky
> they are, and please say a prayer for those who go to the
> bridge.

Those that have to carry out the hardest jobs have my respect, and
purrs that some day it won't ever have to be done. They also have
purrs from my gang for their poor hearts. I'm so glad you got Lily.
She's such a beauty and she's bringing you and all the lives she's
touched joy. That's the beautiful part.

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Takayuki - 11 Jul 2006 05:54 GMT
> She told me how relieved she was that Cats Protection got hold her and
> that when the RSPCA picked up Lily from the vet by mistake it had really
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Please hug all your furry kids tonight and tell them how lucky they are,
> and please say a prayer for those who go to the bridge.

Purrs for HRFL, although I assume he's feeling better now after the vet
visit.

It is sad the way you put it about the ones that cross over.  I don't
want them to cross over.  Or at least, I wish that they would know some
love first so that they can take those memories with them.

I believe that Lily really wouldn't have had a chance without you.
Considering the attitudes of some people, like your neighbor who
commented that Lily and Tiger should be PTS.  Lily's trusting little
self should not have ended on the note it might have.  You managed so
well to make up for someone's grave wrongs.
Adrian A - 11 Jul 2006 10:05 GMT
> We've just got back from an 10.30pm emergency vet visit. Tiger decided
> that he was going to be violently ill this evening and chuck up
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> booked to go to the vet at 8.30am tomorrow for a full physical, and
> has been for the last week. Typical bastard cat trick.

<snip>
> Please hug all your furry kids tonight and tell them how lucky they
> are, and please say a prayer for those who go to the bridge.
>
> Helen M

Apart from Lily's story that was rather depressing. Congratulations to HRFL
for a great bastard cat trick, I hope he's feeling better today.
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sandra - 11 Jul 2006 10:46 GMT
Helen,
Is that the same vets that is on TV at the moment? I think it is criminal
the number of pets that are dumped. The RSPCA is an over rated organisation,
can't be bothered with a lot of things these days.

sandra
Helen Miles - 11 Jul 2006 11:22 GMT
> Helen,
> Is that the same vets that is on TV at the moment? I think it is criminal
> the number of pets that are dumped. The RSPCA is an over rated organisation,
> can't be bothered with a lot of things these days.

Yes, the BBC Wales "VETS" is the emergency practice at the top of my
street. Kinda convenient for my lot. ;o)

Helen M
Adrian A - 11 Jul 2006 12:10 GMT
>> Helen,
>> Is that the same vets that is on TV at the moment? I think it is
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Helen M

Looks interesting, I'll have to find a way to watch it next time it's on.
(10 days time)
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Christina Websell - 11 Jul 2006 22:27 GMT
> We've just got back from an 10.30pm emergency vet visit. Tiger decided
> that he was going to be violently ill this evening and chuck up
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> Please hug all your furry kids tonight and tell them how lucky they are,
> and please say a prayer for those who go to the bridge.

OMG.  Don't start me on a rant about the RSPCA.  I have no time for them at
all.  I would never donate a penny to them - or as my grandmother used to
say "I wouldn't give them the droppings of my nose."
I'll have to go to bed now before I start

night night
Tweed
polonca12000 - 11 Jul 2006 22:40 GMT
> We've just got back from an 10.30pm emergency vet visit. Tiger decided
> that he was going to be violently ill this evening and chuck up
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
> Helen M    

So very sad!
Lots of purrs,
Polonca and Soncek
Enfilade - 12 Jul 2006 01:53 GMT
> She told me how relieved she was that Cats Protection got hold her and
> that when the RSPCA picked up Lily from the vet by mistake it had really
> upset her, because had Cats Protection not demanded her back, Lily
> wouldn't have had a chance.

Smokey was not going to go to the animal shelter.  Smokey was
classified a "wild" animal and arrangements were made for him to be
poisoned.

Fortunately, CRGS (like most other military units) does not believe in
abandoning one of its own.

--Fil
Tanada - 13 Jul 2006 16:59 GMT
> Smokey was not going to go to the animal shelter.  Smokey was
> classified a "wild" animal and arrangements were made for him to be
> poisoned.
>
> Fortunately, CRGS (like most other military units) does not believe in
> abandoning one of its own.

Some idiot dumped Huey at the airfield thinking that he'd fit in with
the resident feral mouse and starling catchers.  When a young cat (about
6 months old) walks down a formation rubbing himself against everyone in
line, it is obvious that he is not a feral.  Which is why Rob's ex
section sergeant called us.  He knew that we worked in animal rescue at
the time.  Huey made himself indispensable as a nurse cat for Rob and
there was no way we were going to lose him.

Interesting note.  After Rob went to Medical Holding for out processing
from the army, Rob's old unit deployed to the middle east, and a
Louisiana Army Reserve unit based near Gracie's house took over.  They
had to clean small bags of dry cat food, cans of gooshy food and cat
treats out of most of the desks in the office area.  It turns out that
the resident mouse and starling catchers had alternate sources of food
as well.

Pam S. smiling
Cheryl Perkins - 13 Jul 2006 17:04 GMT
<snip>
> Interesting note.  After Rob went to Medical Holding for out processing
> from the army, Rob's old unit deployed to the middle east, and a
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> the resident mouse and starling catchers had alternate sources of food
> as well.

Everyone knows that well-fed cats are the best mousers! (and as Pratchett
wrote, more or less, that theory was probably invented by someone with
fure and whiskers.)

--
Cheryl
Jeanette - 12 Jul 2006 11:39 GMT
It is really sad that so many cats and dogs are being put to sleep these
days, the problem seems to be getting worse instead of better. Here in
Lancashire we get several cases a day reported to us of cats who have just
been left behind by their owners, or of pregnant females who have been
thrown out. We can't, with the best will in the world, deal with all of
them, Last Thursday I took the calls from the public and we were asked to
take in THIRTEEN cats altogether, for a variety of reasons. I didn't get one
single call from someone who wanted to adopt a cat. We're not a sanctuary,
we're a rehoming charity, and we can only work on a 'one out / one in'
basis. It's very discouraging.

We work SO hard, fundraising and looking after the cats, and we think we've
done well if we find new homes for twenty cats in a month, then some moron
will ring us and say that, hey, he 'forgot' to get his kittens neutered last
year, and now, who woulda thought it, he's now got a dozen kittens that he
can't find homes for and will we take them. One lazy thoughtless idiot more
than makes up for dozens of dedicated volunteers, it seems. :-(

Right now I have a trap set for a mother and three 'older kittens' who are
doubtless now feral. All because someone didn't get the mother neutered when
she was the right age. There can't be any excuse. I had my first cat when I
was a student, I was permanently broke and didn't have a car, but I managed
to scrape together the money for his vaccs and neutering, and took him to
the vets on the bus. It meant that I ate beans on toast for a month, but I'd
taken on a responsibility and that was that.

It just feels like we're fighting a losing battle against the uncaring and
ignorant.

Grrr.
Lesley - 12 Jul 2006 11:51 GMT
I had my first cat when I
> was a student, I was permanently broke and didn't have a car, but I managed
> to scrape together the money for his vaccs and neutering, and took him to
> the vets on the bus. It meant that I ate beans on toast for a month, but I'd
> taken on a responsibility and that was that.

Exactly. When we had Fugazi and Isis done, Dave was out of work and
the job I had paid very little so it was a struggle supporting two
people and two cats. But as soon as we got them, we started saving a
few pounds each week so that when the time came they could be done. Our
local council (like quite a few) has an animal population control
clinic which does spay and neuter cheap for those who bother to check
these things out and we took them there

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
Jo Firey - 12 Jul 2006 15:18 GMT
> I had my first cat when I
>> was a student, I was permanently broke and didn't have a car, but I
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> clinic which does spay and neuter cheap for those who bother to check
> these things out and we took them there

Taking proper care of your kids is always a priority with any grown-up.  Fur
or bare,

As far as I'm concerned, not getting the basic shots or not getting pets
neutered is on a par with failing to give them food and water and shelter.

Served my time with taking a payment to the vets office each payday.  Glad
to have reached a point where I can hand the a credit card or a check when
its needed.

Jo
Lesley - 12 Jul 2006 15:32 GMT
> Served my time with taking a payment to the vets office each payday.

This crops up on the list a lot. Do vets do it in the UK? I've never
heard of it over here.

We used to have 2 credit cards with about £2,000 on them, which were
kept in an envelope at home and defined as "only for emergencies" ie
vet bills. Now we have enough money not to worry about things like that
(Both got better paid jobs, overdrafts, a few bob in the bank)

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
Jo Firey - 12 Jul 2006 20:41 GMT
> Served my time with taking a payment to the vets office each payday.

This crops up on the list a lot. Do vets do it in the UK? I've never
heard of it over here.

We used to have 2 credit cards with about £2,000 on them, which were
kept in an envelope at home and defined as "only for emergencies" ie
vet bills. Now we have enough money not to worry about things like that
(Both got better paid jobs, overdrafts, a few bob in the bank)

This was thirty five years ago.   Not sure if we had credit cards then other
than Sears and gasoline.  But places like vets didn't take them then if we
did.

Jo
Adrian A - 12 Jul 2006 22:34 GMT
>> Served my time with taking a payment to the vets office each payday.
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Jo

The first credit card was introduced in the UK in 1966, I thought the USA
had them before that. I got my first credit card in 1975.
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Jo Firey - 12 Jul 2006 22:56 GMT
>>> Served my time with taking a payment to the vets office each payday.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> The first credit card was introduced in the UK in 1966, I thought the USA
> had them before that. I got my first credit card in 1975.

I had a gas credit card in 1964 and pretty sure Dad had one well before
that.  But all those cards were "proprietary".  You could only use them at
the company that issued them.  I don't remember having a credit card before
we moved to California in 1971, and don't remember not having one after
that.

Jo
sriddles@aol.com - 12 Jul 2006 23:27 GMT
> >>> Served my time with taking a payment to the vets office each payday.
> >>
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
> Jo

Hmm. I don't recall anything except gasoline credit cards way back
either. I remember having a "store account" at Sears where we had
bought major appliances, but no card, around 1973. I think our first
regular Mastercard was around 1982.
OT: I don't normally watch Oprah, but it looked interesting, and I
ended up watching the week's series called "Debt Diet". It is all about
Americans and the debt we hold. I was really astonished at some of the
stories. Also intrigued by the budgeting techniques. We just can't seem
to save as much money as we should. It just costs so much anymore to
*live*. But I'm committed to trying the budget for a couple of months.

Sherry
William Hamblen - 13 Jul 2006 00:46 GMT
> The first credit card was introduced in the UK in 1966, I thought the USA
> had them before that. I got my first credit card in 1975.

Diners Club and American Express go back to the '50s.  You had
to pay the balances in full every month, I think.

Bud
Adrian A - 13 Jul 2006 11:41 GMT
>> The first credit card was introduced in the UK in 1966, I thought
>> the USA had them before that. I got my first credit card in 1975.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Bud
Adrian A - 13 Jul 2006 11:42 GMT
>> The first credit card was introduced in the UK in 1966, I thought
>> the USA had them before that. I got my first credit card in 1975.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Bud

Diners Club and American Express were described as charge cards, I found
this on Visa's website.
http://www.usa.visa.com/about_visa/about_visa_usa/history.html
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Lesley - 13 Jul 2006 11:43 GMT
Diners Club and American Express go back to the '50s.  You had
> to pay the balances in full every month, I think.

Which makes them charge cards and not credit cards

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
sriddles@aol.com - 12 Jul 2006 15:34 GMT
> It is really sad that so many cats and dogs are being put to sleep these
> days, the problem seems to be getting worse instead of better. Here in
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>
> Grrr.

LONG RANT: It feels that way because that is exactly what it is. Excuse
me for this, and I should not even post about this right now because
I'm very angry, but the problem here looks like 99% uncaring and
ignorant, and 1% can't afford it.
We started a "Please Don't Litter" program with grant money & earmarked
donations. Free spay/neuter by any vet of your choosing. FREE. The
"application" has about 5 questions on it, which are just name,
address, cat's name and age! They don't have to prove they are low
income! And we practically have to beg people to take advantage of
that. We make appointments for them and they don't show up even!
ARRGGH.

It just slays me.  Some people are just so apathetic. They drop off
litters and it does not bother them one whit. If you hint that a
donation would be appreciated, they practically run out the door.
There is one woman in particular I am calling today. She brought a
litter of 6 in Tues.. They all have goopy eyes. This is NOT the first
litter she has brought. I am struggling with whether I should tell her
that we will NOT take any more of her kittens. She must bring Mama in
so that we can see that she is spayed.

But if I do that, you risk just making her mad, and she'll just
distribute the next litter somewhere else; give them away unspayed.
I"ve got to practice a speech. I've got to try to grit my teeth and
make it sound somehow that she will take the bait and not be offended.

That's the hard part. Talking nice to the ignorant and uncaring when
you really want to let them have it with both barrels. It does not help
the animals to make people angry.

Sherry
kilikini - 12 Jul 2006 16:25 GMT
> > It just feels like we're fighting a losing battle against the uncaring and
> > ignorant.
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>
> Sherry

I have a "friend" who fits the bill you're talking about, Sherry.  She has a
cat that has had at least 4 litters and the cat, Spaz, is only 2 years old.
There's a place, not that far away, that will spay a cat for $22 USD.
(That's where I took Miss Pua as soon as she was strong enough for the
surgery.)  The last litter Spaz had was 13 kittens.  I think she knew she
couldn't handle them and subsequently, purposely, killed them all.
Obviously even the cat wasn't ready to be a mom again.

If you can't take on the responsibility of an animal, don't get one!  Thank
goodness there are kind-hearted souls out there to help take on the
challenge, but it angers me, too, at how many little souls end up euthanized
or hit by cars, etc.  It's unnecessary and extremely sad.

kili
Helen Miles - 12 Jul 2006 17:36 GMT
> We started a "Please Don't Litter" program with grant money & earmarked
> donations. Free spay/neuter by any vet of your choosing. FREE. The
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> that. We make appointments for them and they don't show up even!
> ARRGGH.////

We've had the exact same problem in Cardiff. The local branch of Cats
Protection was left a *not inconsiderable* sum to use as they saw fit.
We started a free speuter campaign. We were even helping out other
smaller Cardiff animal charities to help with their speuter costs. The
general public in general, don't give a sh*t. I know one person, who has
an unneutered tom. Because he doesn't spray in the house, she doesn't
care that he's unneutered. I even offered to take him to the vet myself.
She found an excuse for him not to go. I can no longer bear to speak to
her as I'll probably end up smacking her in the mouth.

Helen M  
Lesley - 13 Jul 2006 11:48 GMT
I know one person, who has
> an unneutered tom. Because he doesn't spray in the house, she doesn't
> care that he's unneutered.

Topped by someone I used to know who had an entire tom as an indoor
cat...She didn't want him to be responsible for unwanted kittens but
she didn't want him done so she kept him in one room in the house,
which stunk to high Heaven!

I later heard from a mutual friend that he once went round her house
and this poor cat was clawing at his water bowl, which was empty so
this other friend filled it. Cat gave a look of gratitude and proceeded
to guzzle the water. She came in and had a go at the friend apparently
she put water down with the cats meals and aftre 20 minutes she emptied
both bowls! She really didn't apparently understand that cats should
have water at all times

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
Adrian A - 13 Jul 2006 13:15 GMT
>  I know one person, who has
>> an unneutered tom. Because he doesn't spray in the house, she doesn't
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Slave of the Fabulous Furballs

That is so sad. :-(
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Christina Websell - 13 Jul 2006 19:33 GMT
>> It is really sad that so many cats and dogs are being put to sleep
>> these days, the problem seems to be getting worse instead of better.
[quoted text clipped - 59 lines]
> you really want to let them have it with both barrels. It does not
> help the animals to make people angry.

Ah, it's so difficult when you just want to blast them for being so stupid!
It's the same in my line of work, too.  I've had to practise hard myself as
being judgmental is usually counter-productive.
I might say this  "I've noticed that this isn't the first litter you've
brought in for re-homing.  It must cost you a lot to rear the kittens, so
what do you think about bringing in your momma cat to be spayed free of
charge so it will be easier for you to not have more kittens."   Or words to
that effect.  Vary it accordingly.
It's no good getting cross, like you say.  Go in with the "let us help you."
Gently, gently, catchee monkey.

Tweed
 
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