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Bobcat - 13 Oct 2004 21:20 GMT
I just passed a local church where a sign outside announces there's to
be a "blessing of the animals". I wonder if the minister could pray
for our little grey brat-cat Emily to acquire more Christian
compassion for her step-sister Sophie, whom she attacks at every
opportunity if we don't keep them separated. On second thought, rather
than a minister, perhaps Emily needs an exorcist!
Kreisleriana - 13 Oct 2004 23:08 GMT
>I just passed a local church where a sign outside announces there's to
>be a "blessing of the animals". I wonder if the minister could pray
>for our little grey brat-cat Emily to acquire more Christian
>compassion for her step-sister Sophie, whom she attacks at every
>opportunity if we don't keep them separated. On second thought, rather
>than a minister, perhaps Emily needs an exorcist!

That usually goes along with the Feast of St. Francis of Assissi.  

Theresa
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Karen Chuplis - 14 Oct 2004 00:31 GMT
> I just passed a local church where a sign outside announces there's to
> be a "blessing of the animals". I wonder if the minister could pray
> for our little grey brat-cat Emily to acquire more Christian
> compassion for her step-sister Sophie, whom she attacks at every
> opportunity if we don't keep them separated. On second thought, rather
> than a minister, perhaps Emily needs an exorcist!

Maybe St. Feliway should come for a visit :)
Kreisleriana - 14 Oct 2004 04:00 GMT
>> I just passed a local church where a sign outside announces there's to
>> be a "blessing of the animals". I wonder if the minister could pray
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>>
>Maybe St. Feliway should come for a visit :)

heeheehee

Theresa
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Bobcat - 14 Oct 2004 15:58 GMT
> > I just passed a local church where a sign outside announces there's to
> > be a "blessing of the animals". I wonder if the minister could pray
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> >
> Maybe St. Feliway should come for a visit :)

To Emily or Sophie, or both? Or the family humans? Seems to me that
Emily is the stressor, Sophie is the stressee, and we're caught in the
middle!
lewe - 14 Oct 2004 17:25 GMT
> > I just passed a local church where a sign outside announces there's to
> > be a "blessing of the animals". I wonder if the minister could pray
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> >
> Maybe St. Feliway should come for a visit :)

=)
that's a real good idea (and funny!)

purrs for Emily and Sophie to get along!

:: lewe
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Bobcat - 14 Oct 2004 18:15 GMT
> > > I just passed a local church where a sign outside announces there's to
> > > be a "blessing of the animals". I wonder if the minister could pray
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> purrs for Emily and Sophie to get along!
> :: lewe

Thanks, I hope it helps! I don't know why Emily acts as she does. At
first we thought it was the "new-cat's-getting-all-the-attention"
jealousy syndrome, but that should have worn off by now. I think
Emily's a bit of a bully when she can away with it, and knows Sophie
is afraid of her even though she now outweighs Emily. Martha, our
serene Zen tortie, gets along with everyone furred or unfurred, but
when Emily tried to push her around she nailed her good, and Emily
never tried it again. It's a bore having to keep Emily and Sophie
separated, but for now at least I'm afraid it seems the only solution.
Kreisleriana - 14 Oct 2004 19:17 GMT
>> > in article 96gbd.33451$3C6.1355609@news20.bellglobal.com, Bobcat
>at
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>never tried it again. It's a bore having to keep Emily and Sophie
>separated, but for now at least I'm afraid it seems the only solution.

Bobby, do you have an all-girlkitty household now?

Theresa
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My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com
Bobcat - 14 Oct 2004 20:26 GMT
> >> > in article 96gbd.33451$3C6.1355609@news20.bellglobal.com, Bobcat
> >at
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> >never tried it again. It's a bore having to keep Emily and Sophie
> >separated, but for now at least I'm afraid it seems the only solution.

> Bobby, do you have an all-girlkitty household now?
> Theresa

Yes. Sadly, Bobby (my furry Mini-Me) went to kitty Valhalla last
September (9 / 11!) and I miss the feisty little guy. I can't bring
myself to drink a martini on the veranda without my drinking buddy
lying beside me, chewing on the olive.
Yoj - 14 Oct 2004 00:50 GMT
> I just passed a local church where a sign outside announces there's to
> be a "blessing of the animals". I wonder if the minister could pray
> for our little grey brat-cat Emily to acquire more Christian
> compassion for her step-sister Sophie, whom she attacks at every
> opportunity if we don't keep them separated. On second thought, rather
> than a minister, perhaps Emily needs an exorcist!

One never knows.  Those blessings sometimes work.  My sister and BIL
took in a rescue Golden Retriever a couple of months ago.  He had
apparently been mistreated, possibly by an older woman.  He barks at my
mother and won't come near her (She lives downstairs), and snarls at her
toy poodle.  He does get along fine with the Golden they already had.

They took all three dogs to an animal blessing last Sunday, and since
then he hasn't barked at my mother, has let her pet him, and has kissed
her toy poodle.

Joy
O J - 14 Oct 2004 04:21 GMT
>I just passed a local church where a sign outside announces there's to
>be a "blessing of the animals".
---------------------<snip>----------------------

This yearly makes the local news here in LA on St. Francis of Assisi's
day.  The TV stations just love the picture of families lining up for
a blessing with their beloved pets.  

Regards and Purrs,
O J
Stormin Mormon - 17 Oct 2004 03:08 GMT
Worth asking. You may very well find a priest who can and will do that.

I did ask one time about the LDS priesthood. We're not allowed to bless
animals as we do humans. As I was told, they don't have the same kind of
soul.

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I just passed a local church where a sign outside announces there's to
be a "blessing of the animals". I wonder if the minister could pray
for our little grey brat-cat Emily to acquire more Christian
compassion for her step-sister Sophie, whom she attacks at every
opportunity if we don't keep them separated. On second thought, rather
than a minister, perhaps Emily needs an exorcist!
rachel polanskis - 22 Oct 2004 10:55 GMT
> Worth asking. You may very well find a priest who can and will do that.
>
> I did ask one time about the LDS priesthood. We're not allowed to bless
> animals as we do humans. As I was told, they don't have the same kind of
> soul.

That doesn't stop them sleeping on your magic underpants, though.....

rachel
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 22 Oct 2004 23:39 GMT
>> I did ask one time about the LDS priesthood. We're not allowed to bless
>> animals as we do humans. As I was told, they don't have the same kind of
>> soul.

> That doesn't stop them sleeping on your magic underpants, though.....

ROFL!!! That is one bizarre comment, but I love it.

(I do know about the Mormon undergarments, so it's not *that* bizarre,
but it sounds funny.)

Joyce
Kreisleriana - 22 Oct 2004 15:31 GMT
>Worth asking. You may very well find a priest who can and will do that.
>
>I did ask one time about the LDS priesthood. We're not allowed to bless
>animals as we do humans. As I was told, they don't have the same kind of
>soul.

I was always taught scrupulously to have respect for all faiths, and I
really try.  But most religions, including my own, have this kind of
doctrine about animals-- that they don't have souls, or as Stormin
says, "they don't have the same kind."  

So I just choose not to believe that.  That's one article of faith
that doesn't go down well with me.  Just as with other, more
inflammatory religious debates, I am not sure where God begins or ends
distributing souls to His creatures.  But the wise, compassionate God
I know, who will reunite us with our loved ones, I cannot believe
would exclude our beloved animal friends.  And as one familiar story
goes, a heaven without dogs and cats, and other beasts, just doesn't
sound that attractive to me.  ;)

Theresa
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Bobcat - 22 Oct 2004 16:43 GMT
> >Worth asking. You may very well find a priest who can and will do that.
> >
> >I did ask one time about the LDS priesthood. We're not allowed to bless
> >animals as we do humans. As I was told, they don't have the same kind of
> >soul.

> I was always taught scrupulously to have respect for all faiths, and I
> really try.  But most religions, including my own, have this kind of
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> sound that attractive to me.  ;)
> Theresa

"No heaven will not ever Heaven be; Unless my cats are there to
welcome me." - Anonymous

"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where
they went."
- Anonymous

"How you behave toward cats here below determines your status in
Heaven."
- Robert A. Heinlein

"Heaven goes by favor; if it went by merit, you would stay out and
your dog would go in."--Mark Twain

"If I have any beliefs about immortality, it is that certain dogs I
have known will go to heaven, and very, very few persons." - James
Thurber

"God allows cats in heaven just so he can keep an eye on them." Dixie
Carter

"I believe cats to be spirits come to earth. A cat I am sure, could
walk on a cloud without coming through." - Jules Verne

"A cat can't enter Heaven or Hell unless it has used all of its nine
lives." -American folklore

If God created animal angels, they would probably be dogs. Cats would
consider it a demotion." - Linda Marrow

The Chinese philosopher Confucius owned a cat and always kept it by
his side. He apparently believed that the cat was sent from heaven to
serve as a conduct for divine wisdom.
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 23 Oct 2004 00:21 GMT
> "No heaven will not ever Heaven be; Unless my cats are there to
> welcome me." - Anonymous

> "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where
> they went." - Anonymous

[snip other quotes]

Here's one:

"I care not for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better
for it."  -- Abraham Lincoln

I don't know if Abe really did say that, but I like the saying.

Joyce
Christina Websell - 23 Oct 2004 00:48 GMT
> > "No heaven will not ever Heaven be; Unless my cats are there to
> > welcome me." - Anonymous
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Joyce

"America is a large, friendly dog in a very small room..  Every time it wag
its tail it knocks over a chair."
  Arnold Toynbee, 1954

Tweed
Kreisleriana - 23 Oct 2004 01:19 GMT
>> > "No heaven will not ever Heaven be; Unless my cats are there to
>> > welcome me." - Anonymous
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
>Tweed

Hee hee, oh dear.  I kind of like that.  It certainly beats "The Great
Satan."

Theresa
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My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 23 Oct 2004 10:15 GMT
>>"America is a large, friendly dog in a very small room..  Every time it wag
>>its tail it knocks over a chair."
>>   Arnold Toynbee, 1954

> Hee hee, oh dear.  I kind of like that.  It certainly beats "The Great
> Satan."

Nicer, yes - but probably less accurate. :(

Joyce - ask your average person in the third world...
nospam@austin.rr.com - 22 Oct 2004 19:07 GMT
>>Worth asking. You may very well find a priest who can and will do that.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh
>My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com

I just finished watching a "Twilight Zone" episode called "The Hunt"
on Sci-Fi channel.
It is about an old Mountain man and his dog. They were out coon
hunting and the dog jumped int a pond, the old man followed and the
both drowned.
They go walking down this road and run into a guy at a gate who tries
to get the old man to enter. He won;t because they won't let dogs in.
A littlle while later this oter person come walking up looking for the
old man.
It turns out that the new person is an angel. He asks the old man if
he got tangled up with the first guy at the gate.
The old man says that he would not enter because they would not let
his dog in.
The angel says that that was hell.
So the old man and the dog go off to heaven.

if Rod Serling thinks that animals have souls, well, that is good
enough fo me.
Bobcat - 22 Oct 2004 19:19 GMT
> >>Worth asking. You may very well find a priest who can and will do that.
> >>
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
> The angel says that that was hell.
> So the old man and the dog go off to heaven.

> if Rod Serling thinks that animals have souls, well, that is good
> enough fo me.

So does a French writer and critic. Back to the quotes!

"Who can believe that there is no soul behind those luminous eyes?" -
Theophile Gautier

Here's one more I found. It has nothing to do with this thread but
everything to do with our trio of furballs!

"Even overweight cats instinctively know the cardinal rule: When fat,
arrange yourself in slim poses."  - John Weitz
Kreisleriana - 22 Oct 2004 19:27 GMT
>>>Worth asking. You may very well find a priest who can and will do that.
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
>if Rod Serling thinks that animals have souls, well, that is good
>enough fo me.

Yes, I think I've seen that one.  Made sense to me. ;)

Theresa
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My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com
Yoj - 22 Oct 2004 19:58 GMT
> >Worth asking. You may very well find a priest who can and will do that.
> >
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh
> My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com

I'm with you, Theresa!  My take on it is, the Bible talks about the lion
lying down with the lamb, etc.  If there are lions and lambs, there were
certainly be dogs, cats, and other such creatures.  As others have said,
if dogs and cats aren't allowed in heaven, I ain't going!  ;-)

Joy
Skippy - 22 Oct 2004 21:18 GMT
When I was a young marine in 1979 or so, I was stationed in Yuma Arizona and
worked with an "old salt" that had been a dog handler in Vietnam.  He told
us about a dog he had (forget the name, long time ago).  One fine day in
Vietnam he and his dog were jumping from a helicopter into a battle zone and
the dog was killed before he touched the ground.  He carried his friend back
to their base camp and started digging a grave with one of those silly
little entrenching shovels; but in no time at all several combat engineers
had shown up with shovels and took over entirely.  By the time the grave was
ready over 300 combat marines and the base chaplin had showed up.  I wish I
could remember all that he told us the chaplin said but all I can remember
is the part "we have many seen the love, loyalty and bravery flowing from
those eyes, and if those eyes mirror a soul, may he rest in peace."  I have
always remembered that.

Mike
The early bird gets the worm;
but the 2nd mouse gets the cheese!!
Bobcat - 22 Oct 2004 21:30 GMT
> When I was a young marine in 1979 or so, I was stationed in Yuma Arizona and
> worked with an "old salt" that had been a dog handler in Vietnam.  He told
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> always remembered that.
> Mike

And we will too, thanks to you. We appreciate hearing it, Mike.
Kajikit - 26 Oct 2004 05:30 GMT
Skippy had something important to tell us on Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:18:41
-0500:

>When I was a young marine in 1979 or so, I was stationed in Yuma Arizona and
>worked with an "old salt" that had been a dog handler in Vietnam.  He told
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>those eyes, and if those eyes mirror a soul, may he rest in peace."  I have
>always remembered that.

(sniffs)

That's beautifuly sad...

So far as I'm concerned, animals which have associated themselves with
humans go to heaven too... heaven is where you are reunited with those
you love, and furbabies definitely make the cut :)

(going upthread a bit, I love the Rod Sterling story too... )

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Enfilade - 22 Oct 2004 23:01 GMT
I remember going to Missionary Church camp where I was told quite
firmly that "animals do not have souls; they are put on earth for our
use and when they die that is the end of them."

The idea of having animals for "our use" disgusted me and the
arguments that animals were of some kind of "lesser worth to God" than
humans did as well, because to those of us who KNOW animals, we know
that one is not the same as another.  They are individuals just like
humans.

They got snarky and asked me if I thought bugs and worms went to
Heaven.

I annoyed them by replying "Why not?  God obviously values them enough
to create them."

I hope I have not upset anyone here who happens to be Missionary.

Anyway, in the end I became Wiccan and am proud to be of a faith that
has equal respect for human AND animal life.

--Fil
Yoj - 22 Oct 2004 23:46 GMT
> I remember going to Missionary Church camp where I was told quite
> firmly that "animals do not have souls; they are put on earth for our
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> --Fil

In my church, we submit prayer requests, which the minister reads, and
the whole congregation then prays for the requested recipient.
Sometimes it will be a member or friend of a member who is ill or who
have had a loss, but they prayed for Skeeter when she was diagnosed with
CRF, and there were prayers and expressions of sympathy when I had to
send her to the RB.  That is not the first thing this has happened in my
church.  One member has a tiny dog, probably a Yorkie, that she brings
to church with her.

Joy
Enfilade - 23 Oct 2004 14:41 GMT
> In my church, we submit prayer requests, which the minister reads, and
> the whole congregation then prays for the requested recipient.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Joy

I like your church. :)

--Fil
Cathi - 23 Oct 2004 17:06 GMT
>> In my church, we submit prayer requests, which the minister reads, and
>> the whole congregation then prays for the requested recipient.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>I like your church. :)

Various cats roam the Cathedral grounds - there's very little vehicle
traffic, and a stringent speed limit in operation.  Apparently my boss'
daughter's cat has been known to attend Evensong.  There's even a
stuffed toy on sale in the Cathedral shop, in tribute to a ginger cat
which regularly attended services.

And one of the former Canons (now gone on to greater things) has a dog,
Sweep, who's been immortalised in stonework.
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Cathi

Kim - 23 Oct 2004 12:59 GMT
I'm not 100% sure souls exist... don't flame me for this cus "to each
his/her own", but I think people want them to exist cus it makes it a little
easier to accept death (their own, other people, animals). I hate the fact
that many religions state that animals have no souls and strongly believe
that if they do exist, they're in humans and animals alike.

> I remember going to Missionary Church camp where I was told quite
> firmly that "animals do not have souls; they are put on earth for our
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> --Fil
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 23 Oct 2004 00:16 GMT
>>I did ask one time about the LDS priesthood. We're not allowed to bless
>>animals as we do humans. As I was told, they don't have the same kind of
>>soul.

> I was always taught scrupulously to have respect for all faiths, and I
> really try.  But most religions, including my own, have this kind of
> doctrine about animals-- that they don't have souls, or as Stormin
> says, "they don't have the same kind."  

> So I just choose not to believe that.  That's one article of faith
> that doesn't go down well with me... But the wise, compassionate God
> I know, who will reunite us with our loved ones, I cannot believe
> would exclude our beloved animal friends.  And as one familiar story
> goes, a heaven without dogs and cats, and other beasts, just doesn't
> sound that attractive to me.  ;)

Well said! I agree completely!

Joyce
Enfilade - 23 Oct 2004 00:36 GMT
> >Worth asking. You may very well find a priest who can and will do that.
> >
> >I did ask one time about the LDS priesthood. We're not allowed to bless
> >animals as we do humans. As I was told, they don't have the same kind of
> >soul.

I forgot to say but when I lived in Kingston, the Wiccan Ritual Circle
I belonged to did a ritual to bless pets each year.

--Fil
 
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