Good news:
They are so TINY!!! each of them are the size of my foot, and i'm a
size 6 1/2. One is black and white with a tiny tux and gloves thing
going. The other is orange and white with a little bit of tabby
stripes. and they have such TINY little tails and their eyes are a
little bluish. Both are boys and the orange one is SUCH a love bug,
All you have to do is put a hand on him and he starts purring loudly.
They are such curious little buggers too. I set them up in my roomie's
bathroom with a large tupperware lid as a littler box, and food and
water.
The Bad news:
The orange one had a goopy eye when i first picked him up. I wiped it
off and it seems to be gone, but i still would like to get it checked
out. Apparently the black one was one that had the eye infection and
was treated with Neosporin and his eyes look fine.
Also both of them had fleas, especially the orange one. Into the sink
they went, much to their dismay. The black one was fine but the orange
one i spent a good five minutes picking fleas off his face. I then put
a tiny drop of advantage on both of htem and then hit Mischief with the
advantage. I couldn't catch the other two. Then this morning as
Mayhem is begging for her morning cuddles i founf a HUGE flea on her.
Grabbed her and put on the last tube of Advantage. Now i'm out of
Advantage and Imp is far under the bed. *sigh* Off to the bank and
then to the store to buy more. I'll grab him at dinner time.
BTW, they arrived past midnight so i slept in. At noon when i finally
rose i opened the door and went "Hello, little.......OH MY GOD!!!!!"
The stench was INCREDIBLE.
Both of them had watery diarrhea all over the bathroom floor. All over
the bath mat, on the towel/bed, in the litter box, behind the toilet.
And some of it was bloody.
Both butts and tails are dirty and i'm pretty sure it's the black one
that has the bloody diarrhea. I took a sample of it and put them back
in the carrier. Out came the 409 and a lot of papertowels.
Then I cleaned out my roomie's bathtub and in they went. Poor little
things, it seems ever few minutes they start squatting and trying to
go. awww!!!
They both have appetites and are drinking, but i checked their skin
turgor. That's when you pinch and pull up a section of fur. If it
snaps back, the pet is sufficiently hydrated. On both of them it was
slow so they both dehydrated. I took their temperature, which both of
them struggled and they don't have a fever.
Argh! I called work and unfortuntaely they are extremely busy. So i
called a local vet I've used and they have an appt for 2:30 pm.
I probably won't opt for overnight care since i want to bring them into
work, but i'll probably go for Sub-Q fluids and maybe a little
medication. Heck if they can give me the fluid bag and some needles,
I'LL give them the fluids myself.
Poor little things. They are looking up at me with these questioning
eyes. They are so adorable, and i hope i can get them the care they
need.
purrs for both of them please!
Kristi
sandra - 06 Jul 2006 21:41 GMT
Here's hoping they both survive. At least they are in good hands.
sandra
Enfilade - 06 Jul 2006 21:49 GMT
> Here's hoping they both survive. At least they are in good hands.
PICTURES when possible!
How old do they think they are?
If they are dehydrated, you might want to consider giving them water in
a bottle (We did that for Kumani and Tyche during the hot cross-country
drive--they were 6 weeks)
They will feel so good without fleas.
Are they old enough not to need cotton-balling to prompt them to poop?
Purrs for their welfare.
--Fil
Mischief - 06 Jul 2006 21:53 GMT
> PICTURES when possible!
Digital Camera is on its last leg, but i will try. I do have pics on
my phone. I'll try to see what i can do.
> How old do they think they are?
about 5 weeks. CUTE LITTLE BITTIES!!!
> If they are dehydrated, you might want to consider giving them water in
> a bottle (We did that for Kumani and Tyche during the hot cross-country
> drive--they were 6 weeks)
I'll mention it to the vet, but they were rescued when they were about
3 weeks so i don't know if my roomie's family bottle fed them.
> Are they old enough not to need cotton-balling to prompt them to poop?
Don't know anything about that either. They do know how to use litter
box, just not very well. And i'm afraid these are the first kittens
i've ever cared for, so i'm going to be doing a lot of studying and
asking a ton of questions.
Kristi
Tanada - 07 Jul 2006 17:17 GMT
> Don't know anything about that either. They do know how to use litter
> box, just not very well. And i'm afraid these are the first kittens
> i've ever cared for, so i'm going to be doing a lot of studying and
> asking a ton of questions.
>
> Kristi
You'll do fine Kristi, just use your good common sense. We always fed
the foster kittens with Kitten formula in a dish if they could lap. It
helps with nutrients etc. But you are the person there and you'll do
just fine. Please keep us updated, and phone pictures are better than
none. Purrs from their cousins in North Carolina and good wishes from
us humans here.
Pam S.
Debbie Wilson - 06 Jul 2006 22:05 GMT
> Poor little things. They are looking up at me with these questioning
> eyes. They are so adorable, and i hope i can get them the care they
> need.
>
> purrs for both of them please!
Hi Kristi -
In my experience of fostering (*lots* of kittens and cats, mostly from
stressful situations), one main cause of diarrhoea in kittens is diet -
they have had an unsuitable diet, or too-rapid a change of diet, and
usually stress is compounding either of the above. Even in kittens that
seem happy and playful, they will still be very stressed by change of
environment, food etc. However it can also be caused by nasty bugs as
I'm sure you're aware. I would suggest avoiding contact with your 3
adult cats for the moment even if they are vaccinated.
I usually put them on dry kitten food such as Hills (free-feeding) and
offer them a very bland dish of cooked and cooled minced white chicken
meat or turkey meat, (or you can get chicken or turkey mince-cheaper)
bulked out with a small amount of cooked white rice, two or three times
a day to supplement this and get wet food into them. I would not give
them any wet kitten food until their tummies have settled down as it is
quite rich and may aggravate them.
I sometimes find that adding a sprinkling of powdered probiotic (we use
Lacto-B) onto the wet food speeds up the process of calming down their
systems.
Purrs coming over to them and you and hoping they feel much better soon.
Getting a flea treatment and fluids will certainly help I am sure.
HTH
Deb.

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Monique Y. Mudama - 07 Jul 2006 23:13 GMT
> I sometimes find that adding a sprinkling of powdered probiotic (we
> use Lacto-B) onto the wet food speeds up the process of calming down
> their systems.
Is that a formula for animals or a human product?

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Debbie Wilson - 08 Jul 2006 08:37 GMT
> Is that a formula for animals or a human product?
I think it's for animals - I got it from my vet, anyway:
http://www.genitrix.co.uk/products/lactob.htm
Just noticed it's from a UK manufacturer but perhaps it's available in
the US too, or a similar product.
Deb.

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Monique Y. Mudama - 08 Jul 2006 17:44 GMT
>> Is that a formula for animals or a human product?
>
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> Just noticed it's from a UK manufacturer but perhaps it's available
> in the US too, or a similar product.
I found this:
http://www.petsmart.com/global/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=8455244417
80436&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302025573&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=253437430202
3690&bmUID=1152376810167&itemNo=11&In=Cat&N=2025573&Ne=2
But I just don't think Oscar would drink fruit juice!

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Debbie Wilson - 08 Jul 2006 18:35 GMT
> I found this:
>
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>
> But I just don't think Oscar would drink fruit juice!
LOL I doubt it!! Looks like it's designed to be more attractive to the
owners than the cats :-)
One safe way is to get a small tub of 'live' yogurt from a health food
store - check the label to see if it contains Lactobacillus acidophilus
and/or Bifidobacterium longum. I think live yogurts all contain
Lactobacillus. Offer him a teaspoon and see if he will lick it
voluntarily - it will do him no harm.
Deb.

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Monique Y. Mudama - 09 Jul 2006 06:36 GMT
> One safe way is to get a small tub of 'live' yogurt from a health
> food store - check the label to see if it contains Lactobacillus
> acidophilus and/or Bifidobacterium longum. I think live yogurts all
> contain Lactobacillus. Offer him a teaspoon and see if he will lick
> it voluntarily - it will do him no harm.
Oscar, sadly, is not a fan of yogurt. Maybe if they made it in ham
flavor ...

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Winnie - 08 Jul 2006 20:45 GMT
> I found this:
>
> http://www.petsmart.com/global/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=8455244417
80436&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302025573&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=253437430202
3690&bmUID=1152376810167&itemNo=11&In=Cat&N=2025573&Ne=2
>
> But I just don't think Oscar would drink fruit juice!
You can just get the Acidophilus capsules from a health food store.
Break a capsule and sprinkle the contents into and mix with Oscar's
food. I think it is tasteless. I have no problem getting Rusty to take
it. But
now I just give him yogurt which he likes and is much cheaper. I eat
yogurt regularly too. You should see how
fast we go through a tub of yogurt.
Winnie
> --
> monique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully
>
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Monique Y. Mudama - 09 Jul 2006 06:36 GMT
> You can just get the Acidophilus capsules from a health food store.
> Break a capsule and sprinkle the contents into and mix with Oscar's
> food. I think it is tasteless. I have no problem getting Rusty to
> take it. But now I just give him yogurt which he likes and is much
> cheaper. I eat yogurt regularly too. You should see how fast we go
> through a tub of yogurt.
Oscar is not interested in yogurt; I've offered it to her a few times,
but no go.
For now I'm just going to let her tummy settle on its own. She's
eating dry food while she's in the collar (and yes, she's drinking
lots and lots of water), and I don't think sprinkling anything on the
dry food would be a good idea right now.

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Tanada - 09 Jul 2006 19:06 GMT
> You can just get the Acidophilus capsules from a health food store.
> Break a capsule and sprinkle the contents into and mix with Oscar's
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> yogurt regularly too. You should see how
> fast we go through a tub of yogurt.
I just had a mental picture of you and Rusty sitting at a table with a
tub of yogurt between you and both diving your paws in to get each
luscious bit.
Pam S. boggled.
Victor Martinez - 06 Jul 2006 22:18 GMT
> purrs for both of them please!
Lots of purrs for the little ones to recover swiftly!

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Adrian A - 06 Jul 2006 23:03 GMT
Purrs that both survive.

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Will in New Haven - 07 Jul 2006 01:02 GMT
> Good news:
>
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>
> Kristi
Purrs from all here. Maggie May, Sunrise and Missy, having been very
good mommies, send the power of mommy-purrs (Missy just hates PRIMATES,
not bitty-kitties) and WooToo, Bear the d*g, Micki and I add our love
for kitties and those who care for them.
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Cheryl - 07 Jul 2006 01:56 GMT
> Poor little things. They are looking up at me with these
> questioning eyes. They are so adorable, and i hope i can get
> them the care they need.
>
> purrs for both of them please!
Purrs are being sent for the baby bitties. It's so scary when their
little lives are in your hands to do what they need done to help them
get over illness. Rhett and Scarlett were very sickly when I got
them, as were their other littermates. I got them a little earlier
than the rescuers wanted because they couldn't keep all four from
reinfecting each other. They were about 8 wks old when I got them.
They had some pretty hard times, but they made it. I remember the
nasty diarrhea, too. Purrs and more purrs.

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Sam - 07 Jul 2006 04:16 GMT
> Good news:
>
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>
> Kristi
On the way, Kristi. Hope its nothing serious.

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Takayuki - 07 Jul 2006 04:34 GMT
>I probably won't opt for overnight care since i want to bring them into
>work, but i'll probably go for Sub-Q fluids and maybe a little
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>eyes. They are so adorable, and i hope i can get them the care they
>need.
Wow, they really have issues. It's a good thing they came to a
properly certified vet tech and certified softie. :)
Cantate - 07 Jul 2006 14:35 GMT
Loud purrs from Jona, who remembers being a three-day-old bittie and
dealing with fleas. Purrs from Cherry who taught her how to use a
litterbox properly. Licks from Joy, who was a really good momcat even
though she's a dog.
Cantate
Monique Y. Mudama - 07 Jul 2006 23:12 GMT
> BTW, they arrived past midnight so i slept in. At noon when i
> finally rose i opened the door and went "Hello, little.......OH MY
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> over the bath mat, on the towel/bed, in the litter box, behind the
> toilet. And some of it was bloody.
Reminds me of Oscar as a kitten. The stench of her diarrhea was not
to be believed. IIRC that's the only time she's ever gotten a bath.
The vet gave me a dropper and I had to give Oscar oral meds several
times a day. I remember being terrified that she and I would never
bond because I had to do all this mean stuff to her before she'd had a
chance to get to know me. Purrs that these guys recover as quickly as
she did.
> They both have appetites and are drinking, but i checked their skin
> turgor. That's when you pinch and pull up a section of fur. If it
> snaps back, the pet is sufficiently hydrated. On both of them it
> was slow so they both dehydrated. I took their temperature, which
> both of them struggled and they don't have a fever.
Speaking of which -- I knew about this trick, but hard to really see
the results on an uncooperative cat with long fur. Any suggestions on
where to pull up the fur for easy visibility? It seems like the skin
on her legs is too tight to really do this.

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polonca12000 - 09 Jul 2006 22:40 GMT
> Good news:
>
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> the bath mat, on the towel/bed, in the litter box, behind the toilet.
> And some of it was bloody.
<snip>
> Poor little things. They are looking up at me with these questioning
> eyes. They are so adorable, and i hope i can get them the care they
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Kristi
Lots and lots of purrs and best wishes,
Polonca and Soncek