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I just got the sweetest phone call

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 03 Jul 2006 23:15 GMT
I just got a call from a child, probably about 8 years old:

"Um, hi, um, my sister and me, we, um, saw some footprints, some
cat footprints, in our yard, and, um, we think it might have been
Smudge."

Is that adorable or what? She (or he, hard to tell) then went on
to name the street they lived on, which is in my neighborhood. They
must have seen my sign and were trying to help.

So I explained that Smudge is home, and how I found her, but I said
that it was wonderful that they called me, and very nice of them,
because you never know, maybe I was still looking for my cat, and
then it might have been very helpful.

I guess I missed a few signs when I went to tear them down!

Joyce
Matthew - 03 Jul 2006 23:18 GMT
Joyce did you get their name and number   if you did and can afford to go
spend 5 to 10 on a little gift certificate for food or a  toy store or
something  to say thank you for the effort of the little one.  Things have a
way of coming back to you when you say thank you in special ways

>I just got a call from a child, probably about 8 years old:
>
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>
> Joyce
Karen AKA Kajikit - 03 Jul 2006 23:46 GMT
>I just got a call from a child, probably about 8 years old:
>
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>
>I guess I missed a few signs when I went to tear them down!

How very sweet and thoughtful of them!
Joy - 03 Jul 2006 23:48 GMT
> >I just got a call from a child, probably about 8 years old:
> >
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>
> How very sweet and thoughtful of them!

Yes, it was.  It's especially nice to hear about children being so
thoughtful.  It gives us hope for the future.

Joy
Monique Y. Mudama - 04 Jul 2006 00:42 GMT
> Yes, it was.  It's especially nice to hear about children being so
> thoughtful.  It gives us hope for the future.

I think overall, kids aren't any more or less rotten than they ever
were.

I do know that I don't want to go back ... a lot of my friends have
toddlers, and their attitude is one of curiosity and discovery -- who
are you?  Who is this precious little person I've created, and how can
I nurture him/her best?

I don't know that my parents' generation had quite that attitude.  Or,
they may have tried, but what came across very clearly is "This is who
you need to be if you're going to get the trappings of love from me."

Okay, now I'm internalizing.  But I can't be the only one!

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Jo Firey - 04 Jul 2006 02:02 GMT
>> Yes, it was.  It's especially nice to hear about children being so
>> thoughtful.  It gives us hope for the future.
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>
> Okay, now I'm internalizing.  But I can't be the only one!

You remember that saying "I know you think you understood what you thought I
said, but you don't realize that what I think I said really wasn't what I
meant"

The messages parents think they send are seldom quite the same as the ones
their children get.

Jo
Cheryl Perkins - 04 Jul 2006 02:33 GMT
>>> Yes, it was.  It's especially nice to hear about children being so
>>> thoughtful.  It gives us hope for the future.
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>>
>> Okay, now I'm internalizing.  But I can't be the only one!

> You remember that saying "I know you think you understood what you thought I
> said, but you don't realize that what I think I said really wasn't what I
> meant"

> The messages parents think they send are seldom quite the same as the ones
> their children get.

I think this is true. I know that with time and maturity, I have come to
realize that I played my part in differences between me and my parents -
by my speech, actions and expectations. There's tons of room for
misinterpretations going both ways. I also think that there's no such
thing as a parent of a certain generation. Oh, sure, everyone who is
raising infants at a particular time and in a particular place is going to
be affected by what the culture says about child rearing, but how they
actually do it is going to be enormously affected by their personality,
the innate aspects of their child's personality and above all, how each
parent was raised and the degree to which they come up with a common view
(based on two different families of origin) of how to raise their own
child.

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Monique Y. Mudama - 09 Jul 2006 16:37 GMT
>> The messages parents think they send are seldom quite the same as
>> the ones their children get.
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> and the degree to which they come up with a common view (based on
> two different families of origin) of how to raise their own child.

You're probably right.

I agree that I played my part (still do) in differences between me and
my parents, but I also am starting to realize that the way I acted
stemmed in large part from how I was treated.  Not the words, but the
actions.  The words said, "You can be anything, and we'll support
you!"  In reality, though, any deviation from a set of acceptable
behaviors resulted in disappointment and anger.  I responded by
becoming an angry, rebellious child.  Yes, another child might have
internalized it differently, becoming sullen and withdrawn and quiet.
I'm glad I chose my route.

Now that I'm an angry, rebellious adult, though, it's time to heal those
wounds.  I do think my parents reaped what they sowed.  Whenever I
tell them anything about my life, they lecture me.  Whenever I tell
them anything about how I feel or ask them not to lecture me, I get
told that I'm too sensitive and that it's for my own good.  When I try
not to tell them anything worth arguing over, they complain that I've
built up a wall.

When my mom visited while I was laid off over a year ago, she insisted
on buying a second suit in addition to the interview suit we found.  She
claimed that I could wear it all the time, if not as a whole suit then
as a blazer over jeans or just the pants with a nice shirt.  I told her
at the time that that was never going to happen; tech companies just
don't work that way  (I know yours is starting to, Cheryl -- we'll see
where that goes).  But she was so excited about it that I gave in.  So
then on her latest visit, she asked me about the suits, and I told her
(maybe my mistake was being honest?) that I hadn't had any opportunity
to wear them -- they're just not appropriate for what I do; they would
look way, way out of place; people would think I was interviewing
somewhere else that day.  She got all disappointed.  It took me a few
days to realize how angry I am that she is manipulating me, punishing me
for not wearing something I didn't want in the first place and only
accepted because it seemed to make her so happy.

Ahem.  Anyway, yeah, I'm in therapy.  Can't change my parents, so I
might as well change myself.  Nuff said.

To be honest, I've realized that one major reason I don't want kids is
that I don't want to do to them what my parents did to me.  No, there
was no abuse, and yes, I know my parents did the best they could and
far better than many, but still, it's not a cycle I want to repeat.
There are other reasons, too, but that one's a biggie.

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Enfilade - 09 Jul 2006 18:10 GMT
> >> The messages parents think they send are seldom quite the same as
> >> the ones their children get.

Yes, I think this is true.  And vice versa.

Some of the worst fights I've ever had with my mom has been when one of
us took the other's words/actions in a way the other never meant.

I remember asking my mother, when I got my masters' degree, if she was
proud of me.  She looked flabbergasted, said of course, began listing
things I'd done that impressed her.  "You know this!" she said, as if
it went without saying.

No.  No, I didn't, all those years I thought I was nothing but an
embarrassment and an irritation, because that's all I remembered
hearing about.

> Now that I'm an angry, rebellious adult, though, it's time to heal those
> wounds.  I do think my parents reaped what they sowed.  Whenever I
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> not to tell them anything worth arguing over, they complain that I've
> built up a wall.

I'm at a point when my parents come to visit, I dress and act in a
completely different manner from my usual self.    We can see each
other about 3 times a year with relative civility.
Part of me is annoyed that I change around my house and clothing to
suit her.  I don't feel that I should have to.  On the other hand, it's
not pleasant for my father to be caught between us in a fight, and if I
can modify my behaviour to avoid it, so be it.  He never did anything
to deserve that.

When I visit my mother, she spends most of her time taking on extra
jobs outside the house.  I think on some level she also knows that the
more time we spend together, the more we fight.

I suppose I am luckier than you are Monique, in that the silences in
between us are either unnoticed or unquestioned.  It's like we all know
on some level that the walls have to stay up.

My parents and I went to see my in laws last summer, and my mother in
law asked Dylan what was wrong with me, was I sick.  She knew I wasn't
usually withdrawn and quiet.  Once again, the less I say, the less my
mom can take offense to and start a war over.

And I am with you Monique.  I don't want kids because I know I couldn't
focus on them the way my grandma did for me, and I don't have a grandma
figure to do the job.  I'm too much like my mom that way, and I don't
think it would be fair to the kids.

--Fil
jmcquown - 04 Jul 2006 00:19 GMT
> I just got a call from a child, probably about 8 years old:
>
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>
> Joyce

Awww, that's very nice!  Some kids who are conciencious (and who also know
how to read!).  Very nice indeed.  I'm glad you thanked them.  Maybe they
could come over and visit Smudge so next time (hopefully there won't be a
next time!) they'll know what Smudge looks like.

Jill
Monique Y. Mudama - 04 Jul 2006 00:38 GMT
> I just got a call from a child, probably about 8 years old:
>
> "Um, hi, um, my sister and me, we, um, saw some footprints, some cat
> footprints, in our yard, and, um, we think it might have been
> Smudge."

Aww.  I think those kids deserve an ice cream treat (or something else
approved by their mom)!

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Cheryl - 04 Jul 2006 01:37 GMT
On Mon 03 Jul 2006 06:15:43p,  wrote in rec.pets.cats.anecdotes
(news:44a9970f$0$34549$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net):

> I just got a call from a child, probably about 8 years old:
>
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>
> Joyce

That's so sweet! I'm amazed that they even found tiny footprints.
Animal lovers in the making.  :)

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Takayuki - 04 Jul 2006 03:47 GMT
>Is that adorable or what? She (or he, hard to tell) then went on
>to name the street they lived on, which is in my neighborhood. They
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>because you never know, maybe I was still looking for my cat, and
>then it might have been very helpful.

That *is* very cute!  Also, he or she must have amazing tracking
abilities to have confidence that it could be Smudge's footprint. :)
Adrian A - 04 Jul 2006 11:13 GMT
> I just got a call from a child, probably about 8 years old:
>
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>
> Joyce

How sweet. :-)
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Susan M - 04 Jul 2006 14:10 GMT
>I just got a call from a child, probably about 8 years old:
>
> "Um, hi, um, my sister and me, we, um, saw some footprints, some
> cat footprints, in our yard, and, um, we think it might have been
> Smudge."

Aww - that' so nice.  After Otis ran away when we moved, it was a set of
brothers, 5 and 7, who spotted and found Otis.  They saw him out the front
window and had their mom call me - then they found him under the bushes,
even though I couldn't see him and he wouldn't answer me from there.  It's
wonderful how kids take this so seriously!

Susan M
Otis and Chester
Enfilade - 04 Jul 2006 17:06 GMT
> > "Um, hi, um, my sister and me, we, um, saw some footprints, some
> > cat footprints, in our yard, and, um, we think it might have been
> > Smudge."

I remember when I was about 14, my neighbours lost a calf.  The cow and
calf went through a hole in his fence, and he found the cow but not the
calf.  The calf was very young, and would not have survived the night
without the cow.  My dad and the calf's owner spent the day driving
around our and his property in a truck, looking, but couldn't find the
calf.

I found this out at supper time, so I took my dog and went to the back
forty and....found the calf.  SHe was tucked up like a fawn, hiding,
and she stayed in that position while I ran to the house, got my dad to
call Larry, went back to keep an eye on her and give Larry a reference
point to take his truck to.  

--Fil
Matthew - 04 Jul 2006 17:14 GMT
I remember days like that growing up

>> > "Um, hi, um, my sister and me, we, um, saw some footprints, some
>> > cat footprints, in our yard, and, um, we think it might have been
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>
> --Fil
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 04 Jul 2006 22:13 GMT
> Aww - that' so nice.  After Otis ran away when we moved, it was a set of
> brothers, 5 and 7, who spotted and found Otis.  They saw him out the front
> window and had their mom call me - then they found him under the bushes,
> even though I couldn't see him and he wouldn't answer me from there.  It's
> wonderful how kids take this so seriously!

One of the sites David Stevenson recommended had a list of things to do
when looking for a lost cat, and one of them was to involve the neighborhood
kids: "Try to get all the neighborhood children involved. Kids are great at
finding lost pets!"

I saw this, but since there don't seem to be many kids in my neighborhood
(over the age of 3, that is), I wasn't sure to ask.

I'm not sure how I can contact those kids who called me - I think it was
a "private call" that came up on my caller ID, which means the caller
blocks their phone number. So I'd have no way of calling them back,
unfortunately. I really liked the idea of giving them a gift to thank
them, but I don't know who they are!

Joyce
Adrian A - 04 Jul 2006 22:16 GMT
>  > Aww - that' so nice.  After Otis ran away when we moved, it was a
>  set of > brothers, 5 and 7, who spotted and found Otis.  They saw
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>
> Joyce

Pay it forward. :-)
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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 04 Jul 2006 22:42 GMT
>> I really liked the idea of giving them a gift to thank
>> them, but I don't know who they are!
>> Joyce

> Pay it forward. :-)

Bingo. :) Good idea.

Joyce
Cheryl - 04 Jul 2006 23:00 GMT
On Tue 04 Jul 2006 05:13:22p,  wrote in rec.pets.cats.anecdotes
(news:44aad9f2$0$34535$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net):

> > Aww - that' so nice.  After Otis ran away when we moved, it
> > was a set of brothers, 5 and 7, who spotted and found Otis.
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> involve the neighborhood kids: "Try to get all the neighborhood
> children involved. Kids are great at finding lost pets!"

That's what I was thinking.  The kids here all seem to know every
animal and everything that's going on. Back when I used to leave
food out for Jake, Lightening and Bonnie (pre-trapping) the kids
told me there were a lot of cats eating from the food I left out.
That led me to stop putting out food after those three were caught
because it isn't safe to lure cats to my house on this hard road. I
remember I used to see a lot of casualties of the road back then,
but I don't see many these days.

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polonca12000 - 05 Jul 2006 22:59 GMT
> I just got a call from a child, probably about 8 years old:
>
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>
> Joyce

So nice to hear children are so thoughtful and helpful even when so
young, they will make great catslaves someday.
Best wishes,
Polonca and Soncek
 
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