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jmcquown - 03 Jul 2006 09:47 GMT
Yes, there is a cat related thing in here somewhere :)

My father is hell-bent on buying my brother Scott's house for me, whether I
like the house or not.  So I asked Scott, can I come over and take some
photos?  He said sure, how about Tuesday, July 4th?  Okey doke.

Ostensibly this is so I can photograph the rooms and figure out where my
furniture will fit.  Before I moved into this apartment I got my hands on a
diagram of the apartment, loaded it on the computer and positioned my
furniture via an architectural drawing program.

But I'll take along a little something, maybe some chips and white queso dip
or strawberries and little angel food short cakes with whipped cream.  And
while he's gnoshing, I'll actually be trying to figure out where I can put
the litter box ;)  I'll also be measuring how much I need to expand the
patio (I'm already certain I'll need to lay some forms and pour concrete to
expand it, it's a skimpy patio) in order to accomodate both my covered swing
and Persia's Kitty Walk so we can sit outside together. :D

Jill
kraut - 03 Jul 2006 13:44 GMT
>Yes, there is a cat related thing in here somewhere :)
>
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>
>Jill

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Lesley - 03 Jul 2006 14:09 GMT
> But I'll take along a little something, maybe some chips and white queso dip
> or strawberries and little angel food short cakes with whipped cream.

Jill

You are a cruel woman! Here I am peckish and you're talking about
Heaven!!!! Send me some at once!

Lesley

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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 03 Jul 2006 17:02 GMT
> Yes, there is a cat related thing in here somewhere :)
>
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> diagram of the apartment, loaded it on the computer and positioned my
> furniture via an architectural drawing program.

I usually do it with diagrams on graph paper and cut-out
rectangles representing the furniture.  (Sort of like
playing with paper dolls.)
jmcquown - 03 Jul 2006 18:53 GMT
>> Yes, there is a cat related thing in here somewhere :)
>>
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> rectangles representing the furniture.  (Sort of like
> playing with paper dolls.)

LOL  Or Color-Forms!  Next you're going to make me do a flow-chart and
design a program using punch cards ;)

Jill
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 03 Jul 2006 22:14 GMT
>>>Yes, there is a cat related thing in here somewhere :)
>>>
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> LOL  Or Color-Forms!  Next you're going to make me do a flow-chart and
> design a program using punch cards ;)

Whatever works!  (It certainly saves a lot of the movers'
expensive time, if you can tell them exactly where each
piece of furniture goes.)
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 03 Jul 2006 21:06 GMT
> My father is hell-bent on buying my brother Scott's house for me,
> whether I like the house or not.

I thought he had decided not to do that?

Joyce
jmcquown - 03 Jul 2006 23:01 GMT
>  > My father is hell-bent on buying my brother Scott's house for me,
>  > whether I like the house or not.
>
> I thought he had decided not to do that?
>
> Joyce

My dad is like a faucet.  Turn it on or off, depending upon the day of the
week or the week of the month.  Whatever :)

Jill
Monique Y. Mudama - 04 Jul 2006 07:31 GMT
> My dad is like a faucet.  Turn it on or off, depending upon the day
> of the week or the week of the month.  Whatever :)

All I can say is, I could never deal with accepting that size of a
gift from my parents, because I know I would measure everything I ever
did after that in terms of "Well, they did this for me, so I really
should do that because it will make them happy."  And it would make me
miserable.

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sriddles@aol.com - 04 Jul 2006 07:40 GMT
> > My dad is like a faucet.  Turn it on or off, depending upon the day
> > of the week or the week of the month.  Whatever :)
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jmcquown - 04 Jul 2006 02:08 GMT
> My father is hell-bent on buying my brother Scott's house for me,
> whether I like the house or not.  So I asked Scott, can I come over
> and take some photos?  He said sure, how about Tuesday, July 4th?
> Okey doke.

Scott called me.  It's amazing he and I used to be roommates and got along
so well and now we are so distant. (sigh)  He informed me the roof on the
house is in pretty good shape but he did have to have it pressure-washed to
get that "green stuff off of it".  Uh, you mean mold?!  Yeah, mold.  (eeek!)
He said he replaced the garbage disposal and the water heater last year.

I'm thinking more and more, I don't want to own a house.  At least here in
my apartment I don't have to worry about any of that crap, you know?

Also, I asked him if I could bring Persia over so she could check the place
out and he said, "I'd rather you didn't."  Why not?  He said, "Don't be
stupid, Jill.  I'm not moving until December and your cat won't remember
anything from now to then."

Uh.  Excuse me?  He's talking to me like cats are stupid, which we all know
they are NOT.  He insists she wouldn't remember anything.

He pointed out he got a kitten from the shelter when he had his parakeet and
the kitten kept trying to attack the parakeet and even climbed up and
knocked over the cage.

I had to laugh because when Persia found me I had two parakeets and I was
easily able to teach her not to mess with the birds; it's called a spray
bottle :)

Not to mention, I locked Persia in my bedroom with her litterbox, food and a
little cat tree every morning for the first year she was here.  I only let
her out around the birds when I was at home.  I gradually started leaving
them alone to take short trips to the store.  Eventually I let them spend
the day together.  No harm, no foul.

After my parakeets died, I got Peaches, the lovebird, and Persia pays
absolutely no attention to her.  She doesn't even try to sneak a peek in the
cage.

I don't think my brother Scott gave the kitten more than a couple of weeks
chance before he returned her to shelter :(  Nor did he try the appropriate
integration techniques.  He could have easily moved the bird cage to his
bedroom and closed the door, or put the kitten in his bedroom with the
litterbox and food while he was gone.

As for where I can put the litter box, he suggested I put it in the 2nd
bathroom TUB.  Huh?  I'm not putting a litterbox in the bathtub!  Someone
might want to use that tub!  What a silly idea!  In the bathroom, maybe, but
in the bathtub?  More likely I'll put it in the bedroom that will be my
office.

Okay, so, I won't take Persia over.  Fine.  No problem.  I don't want this
friggin' house in the first place.  I'm happy where I am.

He also said (to my suggestion about bringing over some strawberries cake
and ice cream or whatever) "I didn't plan to make this a picnic."  Oh, well,
okay, F*** you, too.  I'll just run in, take some photos and run back out.
No biggie.

I'm starting to get depressed again.  I should be dancing on air being given
a house.  But it's a house I don't want and this whole thing is really no
fun.  It comes with major strings.

Jill
badwilson - 04 Jul 2006 03:01 GMT
Just take the house, then sell it and buy yourself a nice condo.  Keep
interaction with family to a minimum, they are just stressing you out
and you don't need that.  Your brother sounds extremely unfriendly.
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>> My father is hell-bent on buying my brother Scott's house for me,
>> whether I like the house or not.  So I asked Scott, can I come over
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>
> Jill
Kreisleriana - 04 Jul 2006 05:27 GMT
>Just take the house, then sell it and buy yourself a nice condo.  Keep
>interaction with family to a minimum, they are just stressing you out
>and you don't need that.  Your brother sounds extremely unfriendly.

Just what I was going to say.  ;)  What a pill your brother is being.

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badwilson - 04 Jul 2006 06:04 GMT
>> Just take the house, then sell it and buy yourself a nice condo.
>> Keep interaction with family to a minimum, they are just stressing
>> you out and you don't need that.  Your brother sounds extremely
>> unfriendly.
>
> Just what I was going to say.  ;)  What a pill your brother is being.

I'm thinking he's probably feeling resentful that their dad is buying
Jill a house...could be seen as favouritism?  Who knows...
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jmcquown - 04 Jul 2006 08:41 GMT
> Just take the house, then sell it and buy yourself a nice condo.  Keep
> interaction with family to a minimum, they are just stressing you out
> and you don't need that.  Your brother sounds extremely unfriendly.

Scott used to be like my best friend.  I don't understand why there is this
rift between us since he got married (and subsequently divorced).

I can't sell the house.  Dad told me (yesterday) it will be deeded in his
and Mom's name, not mine.  So, it's their house, even though he plans to pay
off the mortgage and plans for me to live there. (sigh)

Jill

>>> My father is hell-bent on buying my brother Scott's house for me,
>>> whether I like the house or not.  So I asked Scott, can I come over
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>>
>> Jill
badwilson - 04 Jul 2006 09:28 GMT
>> Just take the house, then sell it and buy yourself a nice condo.
>> Keep interaction with family to a minimum, they are just stressing
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> is this rift between us since he got married (and subsequently
> divorced).

Hmmm, I wonder if his ex wife somehow badmouthed you to him?

> I can't sell the house.  Dad told me (yesterday) it will be deeded in
> his and Mom's name, not mine.  So, it's their house, even though he
> plans to pay off the mortgage and plans for me to live there. (sigh)

Heh, that sucks.  Then he's not really buying you the house anyway.
Sorry to be so blunt, but what do you think will happen when your
parents die?  I mean they are quite old, so probably won't be around all
that much longer.  Will the house be left to you and your brothers, to
split?  Because then you will have to sell it anyway and might not be
left with much.  In that case, if you don't even want to live there
anyway, I wouldn't bother with it because you would have given up your
apartment and probably would have to find a new one which could be much
more expensive.
Also, is he planning to pay for the upkeep (repairs, maintenance) and
property taxes, as well as the mortgage?  If you do take him up on this
offer, you need to get all this stuff straight, and in writing.  Because
if not, your costs could almost be what you are paying in rent at your
apartment and you wouldn't be saving much and having more hassles on top
of that.
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sriddles@aol.com - 04 Jul 2006 15:21 GMT
> >> Just take the house, then sell it and buy yourself a nice condo.
> >> Keep interaction with family to a minimum, they are just stressing
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> --
> Britta

Ooo, I think Britta's right. I wouldn't bother with it either. Your
only benefit is free rent, and it sounds like it's not exactly going to
be free, you'll be losing some degree of independence. Your dad is the
one who benefits. He gets a great tax write-off as a rental, but you
won't even be able to buy homeowner's insurance without the deed in
your name. Suppose the house needs repairs, who pays?
At the very least, be absolutely sure the house is willed to you. Even
then, any will can be contested and you could lose your house. And
unless your parents are very well prepared for a catastrophic illness,
many years in a nursing home can wipe out their assets, which would
include your home. The state can force sale to pay those debts.

Sherry
jmcquown - 04 Jul 2006 20:42 GMT
>>> I can't sell the house.  Dad told me (yesterday) it will be deeded
>>> in his and Mom's name, not mine.  So, it's their house, even though
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> many years in a nursing home can wipe out their assets, which would
> include your home. The state can force sale to pay those debts.

Trust me, I've thought about all of this.  If I decide to do it, I'll
definitely have the details in writing and my name also on the deed.  My
other brother already owns a house (Dad's going to pay off his mortgage) so
he wouldn't want this one.  And Scott is building a new house on a golf
course; he wouldn't want this one back.

But the repairs, maintenance, etc., all these things are reasons I don't
want to be a homeowner.  As it stands now, I don't have to deal with any of
that stuff.  And the apartment management is *very* good about fixing and/or
replacing anything the moment something goes awry.

Jill
Sam - 04 Jul 2006 21:53 GMT
>>>> Just take the house, then sell it and buy yourself a nice condo.
>>>> Keep interaction with family to a minimum, they are just stressing
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>
> Sherry

I agree with the other posters.  Sounds to me like the "costs",
financial and mental, could well exceed the benefit.  Purrs for a
resolution that's amenable to all.

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bobblespin - 04 Jul 2006 11:58 GMT
> I can't sell the house.  Dad told me (yesterday) it will be deeded in
> his and Mom's name, not mine.  So, it's their house, even though he
> plans to pay off the mortgage and plans for me to live there. (sigh)
>
> Jill

Being practical, I would want to know what happens to the house in their
wills?  Also, does he have mortgage insurance in case they die before it's
paid off? Sounds like more trouble than benefit.

Bobble
sandra - 04 Jul 2006 12:14 GMT
So he's not giving you the house at all. Stay put or you will be under his
thumb for everything - and he could boot you out whenever he wanted.
Your home needs to be  a place of comfort and security, not a millstone or a
bargaining tool!

sandra
jmcquown - 04 Jul 2006 20:46 GMT
> So he's not giving you the house at all. Stay put or you will be
> under his thumb for everything - and he could boot you out whenever
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>
> sandra

I agree.  I've been trying to explain this to Dad (diplomatically!) from the
moment he said he was going to buy the house.  Then he dropped the bombshell
that my name wouldn't be on the deed.  Huh?!

I'll give him a call next weekend and talk about it again.  Britta had a
very good point; I can't get homeowners coverage if the house isn't mine.
Rental insurance, yes, which I already have for my apartment.  The whole
thing is really frazzling my nerves.

Jill
Joy - 04 Jul 2006 21:17 GMT
> > So he's not giving you the house at all. Stay put or you will be
> > under his thumb for everything - and he could boot you out whenever
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> Rental insurance, yes, which I already have for my apartment.  The whole
> thing is really frazzling my nerves.

I hope you're able to figure out a solution without causing a family split.
I hate to say it, but it sounds like he's trying to get control of your
life.  If he owns the house you live in, and your name isn't on the deed,
that could get really sticky.

Good luck!  I'm afraid you'll need it.
Joy
jmcquown - 04 Jul 2006 23:06 GMT
>>> So he's not giving you the house at all. Stay put or you will be
>>> under his thumb for everything - and he could boot you out whenever
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> control of your life.  If he owns the house you live in, and your
> name isn't on the deed, that could get really sticky.

Yeah, like the next time he gets mad at me he could evict me!  Sheesh.

> Good luck!  I'm afraid you'll need it.
> Joy

Thank you!

Jill
Candace - 04 Jul 2006 23:22 GMT
> I agree.  I've been trying to explain this to Dad (diplomatically!) from the
> moment he said he was going to buy the house.  Then he dropped the bombshell
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>
> Jill

I had a similiar offer back in the mid-90s when I was in my early 40s.
My parents, who lived in IN, were interested in buying me a condo out
here in AZ.  They were actually only going to make a decent downpayment
and then I was going to pay the mortgage, I believe, and it would have
been in all or partly my name.  They were going to make the downpayment
enough so that I would be paying less than I was for rent.  In turn,
they would have somewhere to stay when they visited a couple weeks of
the year as they never wanted to stay in my one bdrm apartment so
always stayed in a hotel or with my cousin who lived quite a ways from
me.  I was semi-interested in the deal because I knew rent was a waste
of money but I wasn't too thrilled with the condo idea because I knew I
could have the same problems there that I often had in apartment
living: loud or annoying neighbors, lack of privacy, etc.  But, like I
said, I was sick of all my hard-earned money going for rent and getting
me nothing.

Just about the same time, I met Tony, and we had a whirlwind romance
and wanted to live together.  I had never lived with a guy because I
knew it would piss my parents off but, geez, I was in my 40s and I was
sick of always doing what mommy and daddy wanted.  So I threw away the
opportunity of getting a partly paid-for condo and Tony and I bought an
actual house together.  Yes, my parents were a little miffed and I
don't think most of their friends back in IN know about it to this day.
My dad has now died and I've been with Tony for 12 years.  Our house,
which only cost us $55,000 in 1994 is now worth about $300K, thanks to
the Phoenix real estate market, and our mortgage payment is only about
$600, which is what I was paying for a one bedroom apt. back in 1994.
I do prefer living in a house to an apartment even though repairs (it's
an old house) can be aggravating and expensive but, still, that equity
is all ours.

That's the main thing, rent is a waste of money even if you're happy
there.  I liked my apartment, too, but didn't realize I would like a
house more until I had one.  It sounds as though your dad is doing
something for all the kids: you said he is paying the one brother's
mortgage off, buying you a house, and maybe he is giving the other bro
something for his new house.  In that case, I imagine he intends to
will you the house and the other 2 siblings shouldn't feel bad since
they're getting something, too.  Of course, it should all be in
writing, too, just in case someone feels slighted after the fact (as
often happens in families, sadly).

As for taxes and homeowners insurance, at least here in AZ, as long as
you have a mortgage those things are included in your payment (from
your escrow acct.).  I wouldn't think it would matter if the insurance
was in your dad's name, you could still collect on it, if necessary.
It would be best if your name could also be on the deed, though, too,
and you should convince him of the reasons why that's a good idea.

If you really want out of the deal, can't you bring your LLL into the
picture?  Say you're not necessarily planning to stay in the town
you're in, say you think sometimes of moving to where he is, or having
him move in with you.  That would have got my parents out of the mood
real quick and, in fact, it did!  Quite the deal-breaker.

But, I would consider the money wasted on rent.  When I thought about
that, it made me sick.  I lived in the same complex for 14 years, in 2
different units, and I know my rent more than paid for one of them.
Now my mortgage money is working for me.

Candace
Cheryl - 04 Jul 2006 23:56 GMT
> But, I would consider the money wasted on rent.  When I thought
> about that, it made me sick.  I lived in the same complex for 14
> years, in 2 different units, and I know my rent more than paid
> for one of them. Now my mortgage money is working for me.

I'm not so sure anymore that owning your own home really buys you
anything. I used to think that when I rented, but now that I own, I
find all of the things that go with ownership to be costly. And for
real, what do I end up with? Even if I want to sell and move
somewhere else, what I'll get out of it on todays standards will
probaby only be partially what I'd need to start over. I suppose I'd
feel differently if I had a family. Right now I feel like I own a
home just for my cats.  LOL  They have lots of room (more than I need
myself) and they have the outdoor enclosure that they wouldn't have
if I rented.

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Cheryl Perkins - 05 Jul 2006 00:02 GMT
> I'm not so sure anymore that owning your own home really buys you
> anything. I used to think that when I rented, but now that I own, I
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> myself) and they have the outdoor enclosure that they wouldn't have
> if I rented.

I like the idea that I'd have something from the equity if I moved, which
is more than I'd have if I rented. And I like not having to worry about
rent hikes or the landlord selling (which might mean anything from getting
notice to getting a less satisfactory landlord). There are a lot of
expenses - God knows I need to do a lot more maintenance than I can
manage right now - but not all landlords I've had have been that great at
maintenance either. I don't need to worry about leases with no-cat
clauses. I love the extra space, the tiny backyard, and the location on
the bus routes and near my work and everything else I need.

I dithered about buying, since I could always think of other things to do
with money rather than put it towards a downpayment. But I'm glad I did.

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Candace - 05 Jul 2006 01:11 GMT
> I'm not so sure anymore that owning your own home really buys you
> anything. I used to think that when I rented, but now that I own, I
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> myself) and they have the outdoor enclosure that they wouldn't have
> if I rented.

Well, that's a good enough reason in itself, of course :)  When I had
an apt., there were always stray cats around (ick, I suppose they were
dumped by people moving out) and when I would be leaving food out for
them, there would always be some busybody resident or manager who
didn't want me doing that.  At least, in my own house, in my own yard,
no one can tell me I can't leave food out for stray cats.  Fortunately,
there aren't as many as there were at that apt. complex, but there seem
to always be one or 2 around.

Plus, if you did have to move, you would have the equity for a down
payment and hopefully that would be enough so you wouldn't have an
exorbitantly high mortgage.  And, if you really had to, you could
borrow against your equity.  I've never done that and hope I never have
to, but it's there.  My house will be paid for in about 11 years so,
even though there are times when I think it might be nice to move to
something bigger or newer or even way older, I would much rather have a
paid-for home when I retire, which I should.

Plus you've got the tax-break.  I still think it's a benefit to own;
you can do what you want to the property without getting permission,
you can play your stereo loud without getting the neighbors in an
uproar, it's your own little piece of land.  I always think of it as an
accomplishment to be a homeowner...like you're contributing to the
community (through the property taxes, etc.).  I even liked apt. living
as long as I didn't have sucky neighbors but it's  nice not to hear
someone else's toilet flush in the middle of the night.

Candace
Cheryl - 05 Jul 2006 01:34 GMT
> Well, that's a good enough reason in itself, of course :)  When
> I had an apt., there were always stray cats around (ick, I
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> sucky neighbors but it's  nice not to hear someone else's toilet
> flush in the middle of the night.

Candace, you have many good points.  I guess over the years I've
forgotten what it's like to rent, though the upkeep on a house
wears me out sometimes. Like when it's 90F+ and the lawn needs
mowing.  LOL Plus, all of the appliances here are the original with
the exception of the heat pump, which I replaced in my first year.
But thank you for the reminder about noisy neighbors and no where
to park (you didn't mention that, but I remembered.  LOL) And, the
tax breaks have been nice. My mortgage isn't a whole lot more than
what I used to pay in rent, but I never used to even get a tax
refund. I guess that is what pays for the maintenance and
replacements.  :) I never had the option to put in hardwood floors
in the rentals, but am now trying to pick one I like. And, I love
gardening, even if the chipmunks and moles are ruining everything.
I just found a use for used kitty litter - pouring it down the deep
holes they dig.

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sriddles@aol.com - 05 Jul 2006 00:24 GMT
> As for taxes and homeowners insurance, at least here in AZ, as long as
> you have a mortgage those things are included in your payment (from
> your escrow acct.).  I wouldn't think it would matter if the insurance
> was in your dad's name, you could still collect on it, if necessary.
> It would be best if your name could also be on the deed, though, too,
> and you should convince him of the reasons why that's a good idea.

We've run into the same thing w/our son. He's living in a house that we
own. We can't buy "homeowner's insurance" because it isn't our primary
residence. He can't buy it because he doesn't own the house. We have to
settle for rental-property insurance, which is WAY more expensive, and
not as good. Doesn't cover contents, so he has to keep a renter's
policy. There is no escrow account, so the taxes/insurance come due
yearly out-of-pocket. Taxes are much higher, because we can't claim the
homestead exemption, and neither can he. The tax breaks are good, but I
wonder whether the IRS is finally going to wonder why we put up with
such a deadbeat renter. :-)

It's a set-up I wouldn't recommend really. We haven't had too many
problems but I know he'd rather be in his own place and be more
independent of us. He just needed some temporary help going through a
rough patch and it was a rental we had that just happened to be empty
at the time.

Sherry
Monique Y. Mudama - 05 Jul 2006 01:01 GMT
> Just about the same time, I met Tony, and we had a whirlwind romance
> and wanted to live together.  I had never lived with a guy because I
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> an apartment even though repairs (it's an old house) can be
> aggravating and expensive but, still, that equity is all ours.

Nice on all counts (except your father dying; my condolences).  Way to
assert your independents.  You probably kept a better relationship
with them by not having those kinds of strings attached.

> That's the main thing, rent is a waste of money even if you're happy
> there.  I liked my apartment, too, but didn't realize I would like a
> house more until I had one.  

Yes, but ...

DH and I own a house.  On my own, I would never own a house; possibly
a condo.  Because a house that's not well-maintained is not going to
keep its value, unless you're lucky enough to be in the right place
right time (as you were) and someone would be willing to pay for it
just to tear it down.  And I know that I don't pay nearly enough
attention to house maintenance, so I would be POing the neighbors,
getting in trouble with the HOA, feeling bad for myself, *and* losing
money.

Also, while for the most part you won't lose money on a house, that's
not always true.  My brother bought a house; the neighborhood over the
years started filling with drug dealer types (I'm not entirely sure
what the specifics were, but people were moving in who were scaring
away the more responsible owners).  He definitely did not make money
on it.  If you find you need to move right during a slump, you can
also lose money.

I like the idea of owning a house, but I try not to pretend it's an
asset.  We own so little of our house right now.  If I didn't have
payments, it would be an asset, but in the meantime it's just another
bill to pay.

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Jo Firey - 04 Jul 2006 23:45 GMT
>> So he's not giving you the house at all. Stay put or you will be
>> under his thumb for everything - and he could boot you out whenever
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>
> Jill

I was truly shocked when I was dealing with my parent's affairs.  They moved
into an independent living facility.  Their homeowners came due and we were
straightening things out to put it on the market.  If the house was not
owner occupied, the premium about doubled.  If it wasn't occupied at all, it
nearly tripled.

Some here, maybe you Jill know a lot more about insurance than I do.
Accountant's are only responsible for seeing if their audit clients have
enough insurance.  But I have never really understood what goes into
property insurance premiums.
Jo
CatNipped - 05 Jul 2006 00:03 GMT
>>> So he's not giving you the house at all. Stay put or you will be
>>> under his thumb for everything - and he could boot you out whenever
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> property insurance premiums.
> Jo

If you are not living in a house, but renting it, insurance companies figure
the renters are a lot more likely then owners (who pay the premium and
deductible) to sue the insurance company (say, if they have a "falling out"
with the landlord, they may have a "falling down" law suit drawn up).  And
an untenanted house is more likely to draw drug-users, the homeless, etc.
who might decide to start a fire for warmth and burn the place down - or
just vandals (or bored neighborhood kids) who just like to cause
destruction.

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jmcquown - 05 Jul 2006 00:44 GMT
>>>> So he's not giving you the house at all. Stay put or you will be
>>>> under his thumb for everything - and he could boot you out whenever
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> for warmth and burn the place down - or just vandals (or bored
> neighborhood kids) who just like to cause destruction.

I'm not licensed in property & casualty insurance.  But I can tell you,
based on John's experiences with renters, they tear the place up and think
nothing much of it because it doesn't belong to them. (sigh)  He's had one
hell of a time.

He and I have had more than a few discussions about this state of affairs.
He's not stupid, so why isn't he more stringent in checking references?  (I
don't give a rat's behind if the 'tenant' is the nephew of some guy he's
known for years, that is *not* a reference.)  And, renting to 20 year old's
isn't a good idea.

He's had an awful time, too, collecting rent.  One tenant was 3 months
behind; I said, "So file eviction papers!"  This kid had the nerve to say
John couldn't evict him and if he did, well his DAD is a big hotshot
something or other and they'd sue John.  Oh puleeeeze!  Baby, get smart.  Go
to the courthouse and initiate eviction proceedings.  Get this loser kid
outta there, ASAP.  And I'd like to see them take John to court; non-payment
is perfectly legal grounds for eviction.

I also suggested before he rents another place, he does a walk through with
his video camera to show the condition of the apartment(s) before renting,
and again afterwards.  That way he has a legal leg to stand on if he decides
to sue them for damage to the property when they leave.

Jill
Matthew - 05 Jul 2006 00:47 GMT
>>>>> So he's not giving you the house at all. Stay put or you will be
>>>>> under his thumb for everything - and he could boot you out whenever
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>
> Jill

You always take pictures and video  of the place before and after   watch
People court  to see  what happens if you don't
jmcquown - 05 Jul 2006 00:52 GMT
>>>>>> So he's not giving you the house at all. Stay put or you will be
>>>>>> under his thumb for everything - and he could boot you out
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> You always take pictures and video  of the place before and after
> watch People court  to see  what happens if you don't

Exactly!  We like watching the judge shows when we're on the road yet he
sounded so surprised when I suggested before/after photos and video.  Like
the time he had to have the hardwood floors refinished because this woman
was letting her kids ride their scooters *inside* the house!  He wouldn't
have known what caused the scratches and damage if he hadn't gone over to
look at a reported problem with her stove and witnessed it for himself.

Jill
Magic Mood Jeep© - 05 Jul 2006 01:24 GMT
>>>> So he's not giving you the house at all. Stay put or you will be
>>>> under his thumb for everything - and he could boot you out whenever
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> for warmth and burn the place down - or just vandals (or bored
> neighborhood kids) who just like to cause destruction.

When Mom was selling her house, she had already moved into her apartment,
and her insurance company *refused* to insure her empty house - mainly
because too many people burn down their own houses to try to collect
insurance on them.  She finally found a company that would insure it, on a
monthly basis, until it sold, but it cost a lot!  About triple what normal
insurance does!  Fortunately, her house only took a couple of months to
sell.
Cheryl Perkins - 05 Jul 2006 12:02 GMT
> When Mom was selling her house, she had already moved into her apartment,
> and her insurance company *refused* to insure her empty house - mainly
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> insurance does!  Fortunately, her house only took a couple of months to
> sell.

That happened to a friend of mine who was clearing out her mother's house
after she died. It was in an area in which it was difficult to get
insurance anyway (older row houses, susceptible to fire), and without
someone living there, the insurance company refused point blank to
continue covering it.
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Karen AKA Kajikit - 04 Jul 2006 15:30 GMT
>> Just take the house, then sell it and buy yourself a nice condo.  Keep
>> interaction with family to a minimum, they are just stressing you out
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>and Mom's name, not mine.  So, it's their house, even though he plans to pay
>off the mortgage and plans for me to live there. (sigh)

Then it's not really a 'gift'... it's an investment for your parents
and you are perfectly within your rights to refuse the offer,
especially since your brother sounds like a d###head! If they want to
buy it they can find someone else to rent it out.

btw the 'green stuff' was moss or lichen or algae, not mould. Roofs
don't GET mouldy...
jmcquown - 04 Jul 2006 20:48 GMT
>>> Just take the house, then sell it and buy yourself a nice condo.
>>> Keep interaction with family to a minimum, they are just stressing
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> btw the 'green stuff' was moss or lichen or algae, not mould. Roofs
> don't GET mouldy...

LOL  I figured that out after I typed 'mold' :)

Jill
Jo Firey - 04 Jul 2006 18:17 GMT
>> Just take the house, then sell it and buy yourself a nice condo.  Keep
>> interaction with family to a minimum, they are just stressing you out
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> this
> rift between us since he got married (and subsequently divorced).

I know you love your father, and that he makes you nuts a lot of the time.
The sort of things you've said he does have to be hard on your brother too.
It can't be any picnic being his son.

The whole deal with the house has to be fraying Scott's last nerve too.  Its
easier to be irritated with you than with your father.  Difficult parents
can drive a wedge between siblings in the efforts to deal.  Try you best not
to let that happen.

Jo
Monique Y. Mudama - 04 Jul 2006 19:14 GMT
> I know you love your father, and that he makes you nuts a lot of the
> time.  The sort of things you've said he does have to be hard on
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> Difficult parents can drive a wedge between siblings in the efforts
> to deal.  Try you best not to let that happen.

Wise words.

Although I do think that at some point, you have to take
responsibility for your actions (ie, brother dearest shouldn't allow
himself to take out his parental frustrations on his sister).  But
it's also good to have compassion for those who don't, and
understanding where they're coming from may make it easier to deal
with them.

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mlbriggs - 04 Jul 2006 03:04 GMT
>> My father is hell-bent on buying my brother Scott's house for me,
>> whether I like the house or not.  So I asked Scott, can I come over
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>
> Jill

Have you thought of selling it after a while?
L. - 04 Jul 2006 06:11 GMT
> Scott called me.  It's amazing he and I used to be roommates and got along
> so well and now we are so distant. (sigh)  He informed me the roof on the
> house is in pretty good shape but he did have to have it pressure-washed to
> get that "green stuff off of it".  Uh, you mean mold?!  Yeah, mold.  (eeek!)
> He said he replaced the garbage disposal and the water heater last year.

It's probably algae, not mold.  here in the PNW we suffer moss - it's
awful!

> I'm thinking more and more, I don't want to own a house.  At least here in
> my apartment I don't have to worry about any of that crap, you know?
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> Uh.  Excuse me?  He's talking to me like cats are stupid, which we all know
> they are NOT.  He insists she wouldn't remember anything.

Probably the only thing she would remember would be the smells.

> He pointed out he got a kitten from the shelter when he had his parakeet and
> the kitten kept trying to attack the parakeet and even climbed up and
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> easily able to teach her not to mess with the birds; it's called a spray
> bottle :)

Never worked for my Mimi.  I eventually had to rehome my 'keet. :(

> Not to mention, I locked Persia in my bedroom with her litterbox, food and a
> little cat tree every morning for the first year she was here.  I only let
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> bedroom and closed the door, or put the kitten in his bedroom with the
> litterbox and food while he was gone.

I did all these things and never could cure Mimi.  Her prey drive was
simply too strong.  My friend wanted my 'keet as a companion for her
cockateil, so it worked out well.

> As for where I can put the litter box, he suggested I put it in the 2nd
> bathroom TUB.  Huh?  I'm not putting a litterbox in the bathtub!  Someone
> might want to use that tub!  What a silly idea!  In the bathroom, maybe, but
> in the bathtub?  More likely I'll put it in the bedroom that will be my
> office.

If it's not a bathroom you will use often, the tub is a great place as
it contains the litter.  You have to be careful that the litter doesn't
go down the drain, though.

> Okay, so, I won't take Persia over.  Fine.  No problem.  I don't want this
> friggin' house in the first place.  I'm happy where I am.
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> okay, F*** you, too.  I'll just run in, take some photos and run back out.
> No biggie.

Well, that was shitty!

> I'm starting to get depressed again.  I should be dancing on air being given
> a house.  But it's a house I don't want and this whole thing is really no
> fun.  It comes with major strings.

If someone is giving it to you, take it an run.  Such opportunities
don't come by often and the tax breaks are great.

-L.
sriddles@aol.com - 04 Jul 2006 06:54 GMT
> > My father is hell-bent on buying my brother Scott's house for me,
> > whether I like the house or not.  So I asked Scott, can I come over
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>
> Jill

But you're talking about owning a house with zero mortage, right? I'd
feel more secure going into old age with a paid-for house than
continuing to pay rent every month, with no guarantee how much it is
going to cost you in the years to come to live there. You can take your
monthly rent and put into a retirement account or something, or an
escrow for when repairs and taxes come up.
As for the strings, only you can decide if that's worth it or not.

Sherry

Sherry
sandra - 04 Jul 2006 07:11 GMT
Hey, take the house, see if it suits you, if not, sell it and get what you
want! Don't let family stress you out, it isn't worth it!

sandra
Monique Y. Mudama - 04 Jul 2006 07:28 GMT
> I'm starting to get depressed again.  I should be dancing on air
> being given a house.  But it's a house I don't want and this whole
> thing is really no fun.  It comes with major strings.

Whose "should" is that?  In all of your posts, I've never seen any
hint that you wanted to deal with home ownership.  If your dad wants
to buy the house, let him buy it and maintain it, and you can pay
rent.  But we know that's not how it will play out ...

I think if you accept this white elephant, you will regret it for the
rest of your life.

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jmcquown - 04 Jul 2006 23:08 GMT
> I'm thinking more and more, I don't want to own a house.  At least
> here in my apartment I don't have to worry about any of that crap,
> you know?

I didn't go.  I called Scott at 9:30AM and got his answering machine.
Periodic calls throughout the day, still just got the machine.  It's just as
well :)

Jill
Monique Y. Mudama - 05 Jul 2006 00:53 GMT
>> I'm thinking more and more, I don't want to own a house.  At least
>> here in my apartment I don't have to worry about any of that crap,
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> machine.  Periodic calls throughout the day, still just got the
> machine.  It's just as well :)

Maybe so, but how disrespectful!  Didn't you have plans of sorts
specifically for today?

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jmcquown - 05 Jul 2006 00:56 GMT
>>> I'm thinking more and more, I don't want to own a house.  At least
>>> here in my apartment I don't have to worry about any of that crap,
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Maybe so, but how disrespectful!  Didn't you have plans of sorts
> specifically for today?

I was supposed to go over around 10AM; I called to confirm.  Nada.  He
didn't return my calls, either.  I'm hoping it was a work emergency and
things just slipped his mind.  Whatever, eh? ;)

Jill
Monique Y. Mudama - 05 Jul 2006 01:05 GMT
> I was supposed to go over around 10AM; I called to confirm.  Nada.
> He didn't return my calls, either.  I'm hoping it was a work
> emergency and things just slipped his mind.  Whatever, eh? ;)

I guess!

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Sam - 04 Jul 2006 04:21 GMT
> Yes, there is a cat related thing in here somewhere :)
>
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>
> Jill

Good luck, Jill.  Hope it goes well.

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