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Dan M - 28 Jun 2006 00:01 GMT
Nancy works with a lady who lives with a couple kitties. This coworker
would like to take in a stray that has been hanging around her house, but
said stray is pregnant and flea-ridden. Her existing cats are highly
allergic to fleas.

She doesn't want to give the stray a flea-dip for fear of harming the
unborn kittens. What are your recommendations for highly effective flea
treatments that wouldn't be harmful to the kittens?  

We've been very fortunate that our kitties don't pick up many fleas, so
we've never had to worry about this. Would a Frontline application on the
stray handle the problem ok?
Matthew - 28 Jun 2006 00:06 GMT
NO FRONTLINE

I believe that advantage is ok for them but I need to ask my vet first

> Nancy works with a lady who lives with a couple kitties. This coworker
> would like to take in a stray that has been hanging around her house, but
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> we've never had to worry about this. Would a Frontline application on the
> stray handle the problem ok?
Dan M - 28 Jun 2006 00:11 GMT
> NO FRONTLINE
>
> I believe that advantage is ok for them but I need to ask my vet first

Thanks! I wasn't aware that Frontline was a nono. I've passed that along.
Joy - 28 Jun 2006 00:49 GMT
What's the problem with Frontline?  Is it just bad for kittens?  I've been
using it on my cats for years, and have had no problems.

Joy

> NO FRONTLINE
>
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> > we've never had to worry about this. Would a Frontline application on the
> > stray handle the problem ok?
Matthew - 28 Jun 2006 00:58 GMT
When the shelter was open   we lost a few cats to a what we guess as a
allergic reaction to it  ever since than   I refuse to use it or recommend
it

> What's the problem with Frontline?  Is it just bad for kittens?  I've been
> using it on my cats for years, and have had no problems.
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> the
>> > stray handle the problem ok?
sriddles@aol.com - 28 Jun 2006 06:47 GMT
> When the shelter was open   we lost a few cats to a what we guess as a
> allergic reaction to it  ever since than   I refuse to use it or recommend
> it

Are you sure it was Frontline? I did a lot of research on flea & tick
products a couple of years ago when the EPA removed specific products
from the shelves. I have never, ever, read any documented cases where
cats died from Frontline. The only side effects reported were temporary
mild respiratory distress, itching/burning/irritation at the
application site.  How old were the cats? How many cats are you talking
about? How did they die?

I don't use it because I did have a cat have a mild reaction, but
nothing near life-threatening. They've never reacted to Advantage.

Sherry
Matthew - 28 Jun 2006 15:56 GMT
>> When the shelter was open   we lost a few cats to a what we guess as a
>> allergic reaction to it  ever since than   I refuse to use it or
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>
> Sherry

This was about 5 to 6 years ago  there were 3 cats  from a year to about 5
or 6 years old this was at different times during the year cats were never
exposed to one another each were passed away before the came in   they were
not in the same are holding area.   All showed respiratory distress after
application and the vets were unable to counter act the problems.  Ever
since than  we do not use it or will use it   we stick to advantage.  It
might have been one of their products they have pulled since  than  but  IMO
I will never use Frontline again even my vet won't use it  I trust him
completely.  It is something that might have been other factors I am not a
vet  but  it was to uncanny for us and we stopped using it well they did.

The shelter closed do to political bullshit in the last couple weeks so it
is advantage for me and my furballs  and that is all I will recommend
sriddles@aol.com - 28 Jun 2006 22:51 GMT
> >> When the shelter was open   we lost a few cats to a what we guess as a
> >> allergic reaction to it  ever since than   I refuse to use it or
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> application and the vets were unable to counter act the problems.  Ever
> since than  we do not use it or will use it   we stick to advantage.

I don't understand ... the sentence especially "Each were passed away
before they came in." So they didn't actually die at the shelter?

Anyway, it  could be the cats were ill to begin with, and nearly all
chemical treatments are dangerous for a sick cat. BTW, it was not
Frontline that was pulled from the shelves, it was Hartz top-spot
application for cats. The EPA ordered a 2-year independent study to
determine whether the product will be pulled for good, and I don't know
the outcome.

I don't recommend Frontline either, but I just didn't want folks to get
the impression that there was a problem with cats dying left and right
from it. I really don't think that's the caseLike the Hartz
product--enough cats died there actually was a class action lawsuit.

We lost a cat and several more got gravely ill from applying Vet Chem
products that were donated to us. So I understand how badly it feels to
inadvertantly kill a cat when you're trying to help them. But then,
that's a whole different class of pesticides than Frontline or
Advantage or Revolution. IMO, *all* products that contain
organophosphates should be replaced w/ those three products. There is
no reason anymore to use them. But people do, because they're cheaper
and available even at grocery stores.

The best method to remove a heavily infested kitten is to spray the
comb with Frontline spray, then comb through. Best method for *tiny*
kittens is the drown, pick and squish method.

Well, off the soapbox now.

Sherry

Well, off the soapbox now.

Sherry
Matthew - 28 Jun 2006 22:58 GMT
What I meant was that during the year  3 cats had came in at different times
they did die at the shelter
they passed away before the other(s) one came in  but were not there at the
same time as each other
or in the same holding areas.
it was meant to kill any possibility of someone saying could they have come
in contact with something that could have caused the problem.  I hoped that
cleared it up

>> >> When the shelter was open   we lost a few cats to a what we guess as a
>> >> allergic reaction to it  ever since than   I refuse to use it or
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>
> Sherry
MaryL - 28 Jun 2006 14:14 GMT
> What's the problem with Frontline?  Is it just bad for kittens?  I've been
> using it on my cats for years, and have had no problems.
>
> Joy

I used Frontline on my cats *just once.*  Holly didn't like it but just
shook her head and looked annoyed, but Duffy went absolutely *berserk.*  He
shot straight up in the air and began to run madly around the room.  He kept
running into walls and furniiture (most of you already know he is blind),
and I was really afraid he was going to hurt himself.  He was going so fast
that he hit his head several times before I could catch him.  I was really
frightened at his reaction.  That was the *first* and *last* time I used
Frontline.  I seldom need anything, but now I only use Advantage if it is
needed.  Neither cat shows any reaction at all to Advantage, and it is
effective.

MaryL
Joy - 28 Jun 2006 19:27 GMT
> > What's the problem with Frontline?  Is it just bad for kittens?  I've been
> > using it on my cats for years, and have had no problems.
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>
> MaryL

Okay, I understand.  I'd have done the same.  As I said, none of my cats has
had a problem with Frontline.

Joy
sriddles@aol.com - 28 Jun 2006 22:37 GMT
> > What's the problem with Frontline?  Is it just bad for kittens?  I've been
> > using it on my cats for years, and have had no problems.
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>
> MaryL

That's the same reaction my Cellie had to Frontline. (top spot stuff,
not the spray). Cellie also panted and drooled. I washed it off, and
the symptoms disappeared pretty quickly. He also acted like the spot
burned or something. Neither do mine react to Frontline.
Another question, though: I bought a six-pack of Revolution a couple of
days ago. It was a total impulse purchase, and now that I think about
it, nobody even has fleas around here. I guess I'll give away the
extras and keep enough for 1 app for each cat. Have you ever used it? I
don't know why I bought it, honestly. I always buy Advantage. I'm still
in the mind-set of having outdoor cats that hunt, and the worming
benefit attracted me.
We may get a few fleas by August, that's the worst month here.

Sherry
sriddles@aol.com - 28 Jun 2006 22:41 GMT
sridd...@aol.com wrote:
Neither do mine react to Frontline.

Sorry, should read "Advantage."
Victor Martinez - 29 Jun 2006 12:28 GMT
> Another question, though: I bought a six-pack of Revolution a couple of
> days ago. It was a total impulse purchase, and now that I think about
> it, nobody even has fleas around here. I guess I'll give away the
> extras and keep enough for 1 app for each cat. Have you ever used it? I

We use Revolution. I like it because it protects againts fleas,
heartworm, hookworm, roundworm and ear mites.
The cats don't like it a whole lot, it stings a little bit when we put
it on their skin. But it's a worthwhile tradeoff for one month's peace
of mind. :)

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Adrian A - 28 Jun 2006 12:00 GMT
> NO FRONTLINE
>
> I believe that advantage is ok for them but I need to ask my vet first

What's the problem with Frontline? I've seen vets on television using
Frontline spray on very young kittens.
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Victor Martinez - 28 Jun 2006 00:16 GMT
> She doesn't want to give the stray a flea-dip for fear of harming the
> unborn kittens. What are your recommendations for highly effective flea
> treatments that wouldn't be harmful to the kittens?  

Revolution.

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