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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / July 2006Brown Recluse?
I had to return Bill and Lily. Bill will find a home, I'm sure, he really is a loving cat, despite the fact that he is extremely jealous and attacked Lily mercilessly. I'm drastically allergic to him. Asthma comes to mind. And I took Lily back because, outside of the 24 hour emergency vet in Austin where I dropped $2K recently in 2 days, there is no place she could get care for the same symptoms Max exhibited before he died. Swelling of the foreleg, limp, etc. In her case foreknowledge and very aggressive antibiotics may help. I'll follow up, she's a sweet soul and deserves better. Suspect number one: The Brown Recluse spider. In the house. Viva Max > I had to return Bill and Lily. > Bill will find a home, I'm sure, he really is a loving cat, despite the fact [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Viva Max Time to call the "exterminator". Healing purrs for both kitties and best of luck eliminating the spider. I understand they can be deadly. Are they common in your area? MLB >> I had to return Bill and Lily. >> Bill will find a home, I'm sure, he really is a loving cat, despite the [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > of luck eliminating the spider. I understand they can be deadly. Are > they common in your area? MLB Quite common. I know people whose lives have been ruined. Quite deadly, especially to a 10 pound mammal. I confess I posted that in some part in response to one who called me an "idiot" on this group. Max was Ninja. I have acquaintances with Nobels in Physics. Max was their intellectual peer, only he was a cat. I cannot imagine for one second denying him his ablolute freedom. It's been my experience with respect to spiders and other predators that denying food is the best approach. Time to clean house and seal leaks. Toxins are unacceptable and quite insane. Treasure every second, you only get so many. Cheers H. >>> I had to return Bill and Lily. >>> Bill will find a home, I'm sure, he really is a loving cat, despite the [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > Cheers > H. Please be very careful, even though you know what you are likely dealing with. Those things make my under house black widows seem like house pets. Purrs that Lily only got a small dose and that she recovers. Jo >>>> I had to return Bill and Lily. >>>> Bill will find a home, I'm sure, he really is a loving cat, despite the [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > Jo Black Widows generally build webs in high traffic areas and hang out. Brown Recluses are nocturnal predators. I'll check up on Lily, AKA Grace as they call her at the shelter. She really is a sweetheart, and having been rescued from a hoarder, deserves better. She reminded me of Max, feisty, playful, bright. Cheers H. > It's been my experience with respect to spiders and other predators that > denying food is the best approach. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Cheers > H. Well, good luck with that. I respect your extreme aversion to pesticides and I share it to some degree. However, I'd have to draw the line at fiddlebacks/black widows and spray. And I like spiders; I have an argiope at the overhang of the front door every year. She is beautiful and I love watching her entire cycle over the course of the summer. I'm just afraid that if you have fiddlebacks in the breeding cycle already, sealing the house and trying to starve them isn't going to be very effective, not in the short term. Sherry >> It's been my experience with respect to spiders and other predators that >> denying food is the best approach. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Sherry You are probably right. Time to clean house, then hire the Orkin Man to get nasty and move out for a few days. Cheers H. >>> It's been my experience with respect to spiders and other predators that >>> denying food is the best approach. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Cheers > H. Wasn't it someone on this list that got bitten by a brown recluse at their storage shed and man oh man, they had their hand swell up like a balloon, serious pain and it took serious drugs to get better. Can't remember who, but I swear it was the cat list. >I had to return Bill and Lily. > Bill will find a home, I'm sure, he really is a loving cat, despite the [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Viva Max If brown recluse is a serious consideration, you need to hire a professional exterminator ASAP. Those spiders can be deadly (and you could be next on the list). MaryL >>I had to return Bill and Lily. >> Bill will find a home, I'm sure, he really is a loving cat, despite the [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > MaryL duh The pros will be here tomorrow. I sent my wife and grandchild in to our house in town. > If brown recluse is a serious consideration, you need to hire a professional > exterminator ASAP. Those spiders can be deadly (and you could be next on > the list). > > MaryL They're only deadly to humans if you are allergic to the poison. The do cause some wicked necrotizing lesions though. Here's a good link: http://www.uky.edu/Ag/Entomology/entfacts/struct/ef631.htm Notice the first photograph...Isn't she pretty with her little black eyes and Michael Jackson bob hair do? -L. >> I had to return Bill and Lily. >> Bill will find a home, I'm sure, he really is a loving cat, despite [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > MaryL I am totally serious when I say they are nothing to laugh at or about. I had some of those cardboard under the bed box containers with sweaters and the like stored in them. Opened one up when I was planning my last move and there was a brown recluse hiding (they aren't called recluses for nothing) tucked away inside. Luckily I know what they look like. You know how a black widow has a red hourglass on it's back? A brown recluse has a white fiddle-shape. After I moved I found out the attic was infested with brown recluses. Thank God I never needed to climb up in the attic. Jill >>> I had to return Bill and Lily. >>> Bill will find a home, I'm sure, he really is a loving cat, despite [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > >Jill I have been bitten once by a brown recluse spider. Fortunately, I apparently got only a small dose of the poison (perhaps the spider had caught an insect a little while earlier and used up most of its poison supply?). I ended up with a sore on the back of my hand that took about six weeks to heal, and the resultant pink spot of new skin took about a year to go back to looking like the rest of my hand. The medical treatment I was given for the bite was a course of antibiotics, in order to make sure that no secondary infections took hold in the dying tissue around the bite.  SignatureJohn F. Eldredge -- john@jfeldredge.com PGP key available from http://pgp.mit.edu "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria > I have been bitten once by a brown recluse spider. Fortunately, I > apparently got only a small dose of the poison (perhaps the spider had [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > antibiotics, in order to make sure that no secondary infections took > hold in the dying tissue around the bite. Gee, that sounds like fun. (um, not really). Glad everything was okay. I remember an incident when I was living in Laguna Beach, California where a woman got bit in the Marine Room and died from the bite. It's nothing to make fun of; it's serious. I'm glad yours turned out okay, but I'm worried about H. Adam Stevens' household. Hope the pest people get that sucker. kili >I have been bitten once by a brown recluse spider. Fortunately, I >apparently got only a small dose of the poison (perhaps the spider had >caught an insect a little while earlier and used up most of its poison >supply?). I ended up with a sore on the back of my hand that took >about six weeks to heal, and the resultant pink spot of new skin took >about a year to go back to looking like the rest of my hand. My granddaughter was bitten by what we think was a brown spider. I don't suppose we'll ever know for sure. It blistered terribly. Her pink spot took months to go back to normal. Pictures of the nasty bite along with my nasty comments about a nurse practitioner are at http://www.raineforest.com/gallery/madbite . She had a couple of strong antibiotic shots given at the same day, plus some oral antibiotics. One thing to be noted is how nice it is to have a digital camera. We took the camera with us to the doctor's office each day so a day's growth in the blister was very evident. Lorraine >>I have been bitten once by a brown recluse spider. Fortunately, I >>apparently got only a small dose of the poison (perhaps the spider had [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >took the camera with us to the doctor's office each day so a day's >growth in the blister was very evident. My bite started out as a blister, although not as large as Madison's. The blister then collapsed and turned into a circular scab, medium red with an almost-black rim, with reddening of the skin around the bite. Fortunately, the amount of venom I had received was small enough that I didn't have lasting damage to the muscle underneath. A full-dosage brown recluse bite can actually leave a deep crater. Many of the fatalities from the bite are the result of gangrene taking hold in the tissue killed by the spider venom, hence the use of antibiotics to treat the bite and prevent infection. There currently isn't an antidote to the venom itself. SignatureJohn F. Eldredge -- john@jfeldredge.com PGP key available from http://pgp.mit.edu "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria >> I have been bitten once by a brown recluse spider. Fortunately, I >> apparently got only a small dose of the poison (perhaps the spider [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Lorraine I recall going to the doctor once and seeing this guy with a big blister on his leg and I was told he had bitten by a brown recluse. They were giving him a shot to get the tissue to not degrade. Wasn't a fun thing to see. I'd hate to think what it could do to a cat. Jill >>> I have been bitten once by a brown recluse spider. Fortunately, I >>> apparently got only a small dose of the poison (perhaps the spider [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Jill I'd hate to think what it would do to my grandson. Looks like pyrethrins and sticky traps are the way to go. No neurotoxins to show up in the groundwater. Lily didn't make it. Bill will make someone who isn't allergic to him very happy. He is a sweetheart when he doesn't have a kitten to beat up. He's at the Bastrop County, TX shelter. I am emailing Maine Coon breeders. Regards H. > Lily didn't make it. I'm so sorry to hear this! :,( Poor little girl. I hope that Max welcomes her into the next life - then they can commiserate together on what happened to them. That's so unfair. (Not that life can be expected to be fair, but we're allowed to gripe about it, right?) Purrs, Joyce > > Lily didn't make it. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Purrs, > Joyce She got to purr a little. And she was named for a kick-a.s lady fighter pilot. Better than a lot get. A lot of humans. If there is a "next life" Max better be there. Or somebody's in serious trouble. H. > She got to purr a little. > And she was named for a kick-a.s lady fighter pilot. > Better than a lot get. > A lot of humans. That's true. I'm just weepy today - probably because I miss my Smudge-cat. And it really is so sad that the little sweetie didn't get to live very long. > If there is a "next life" Max better be there. > Or somebody's in serious trouble. I'm sure he will. He knows just what she went through! Joyce I'm so sorry for the sad loss of your kitties. I hope you're successful in exterminating these spiders -- hope a professional can come in and spray and get this over with. You surely don't want to risk getting bit either. purrs for your heartache and kindest regards, Christine and Oreo, Midnight, Robin & Tucker > >>> I have been bitten once by a brown recluse spider. Fortunately, I > >>> apparently got only a small dose of the poison (perhaps the spider [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > Regards > H. Thanks Max was Ninja (Bobcats, coyotes, they couldn't touch him.) with Leonardo's genius stuffed in a cat suit. He utterly and completely changed my concept of just what a cat is capable of being. Lily was saved from the pound, a rescue-kitten with a lot of talent who never had a chance. I do strongly suggest putting some glue boards out where they won't interfere with the desirable members of the household just to do a census of your tiny wildlife. Had I done so it wouldn't have required the deaths of two cats to get my attention. I'd have known recluses were in the house. I miss roaches and scorpions. Even Black Widows stay put. Max once cornered a rattlesnake in the house and then came and got me to finish the job (rat shot works). Cheers H. > I'm so sorry for the sad loss of your kitties. I hope you're successful > in [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] >> Regards >> H. > I had to return Bill and Lily. > Bill will find a home, I'm sure, he really is a loving cat, > despite the fact that he is extremely jealous and attacked > Lily mercilessly. > I'm drastically allergic to him. Asthma comes to mind. I'm so sorry! :( But you aren't allergic to every cat, I guess, so there's a cat out there who won't give you asthma attacks. > And I took Lily back because, outside of the 24 hour emergency > vet in Austin where I dropped $2K recently in 2 days, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I'll follow up, she's a sweet soul and deserves better. > Suspect number one: The Brown Recluse spider. Once you have the exterminators come and get rid of the spider(s), and Lily recovers (which I certainly hope she does!), couldn't you take her back? You're not allergic to her, right? It's really sad to find out that this is probably what happened to Max. :( What part of the country do you live in, may I ask? (Please don't say California. :)) Purrs for Lily's recovery! Joyce I'm so sorry you had to return your new additions...I hope they'll be placed soon, and please know you did, and are doing, your best. And cheers to the Orkin man, that he get rid of the hause nasties. You deserve some goodness after Max's passing. Purrs that ti come your way. Blessed be, Baha >I had to return Bill and Lily. >Bill will find a home, I'm sure, he really is a loving cat, despite the fact [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Viva Max > I had to return Bill and Lily. > Bill will find a home, I'm sure, he really is a loving cat, despite the fact [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Viva Max I'm so very sorry to hear that. Hugs and purrs, Polonca and Soncek |
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