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CatNipped - 23 Jun 2006 21:46 GMT
I've just been told that starting Monday I'll have to start coming into the
office and will no longer be able to work from home (one of the agreements
at the time of my hire).  We're talking about an hour and a half drive there
(in gridlocked traffic) and an hour and a half home again.  Because I have a
truck, I'll be spending a *MINIMUM* of $80 - $100 a week in gas alone.  I
have *NO* clothes appropriate for the work place dress code (business
casual - I have either dress suits or jeans), so I'll be spending money on
that (including makeup, which I don't have to wear at home).  I'll be paying
for lunch now, so that's another $50 or so a week.  As I've said here in the
past, DH and I are extremely over-extended as it is - this is going to put
us over the edge!

All of that is not even considering what my home life will be like now.
I'll have to wake at 5:30AM and won't be getting home until 7:00PM.  I'll
have no time for my exercise or biking, and by the time I fight traffic
coming home I won't be in any shape for "play" - I'm looking at *maybe* an
hour every day of "down time".

Needless to say, I'm going to be looking for different employment (something
that will be hard to do given all of the above).

I could really use some job-finding purrs.

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Joy - 23 Jun 2006 21:58 GMT
Purrs that you can quickly find the right job.

Joy

> I've just been told that starting Monday I'll have to start coming into the
> office and will no longer be able to work from home (one of the agreements
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>
> I could really use some job-finding purrs.
Kreisleriana - 23 Jun 2006 22:08 GMT
>I've just been told that starting Monday I'll have to start coming into the
>office and will no longer be able to work from home (one of the agreements
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
>I could really use some job-finding purrs.

It sucks, Lori.  Purrs coming your way.

Theresa
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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 23 Jun 2006 22:47 GMT
CatNipped wrote:

> I've just been told that starting Monday I'll have to start coming into the
> office and will no longer be able to work from home (one of the agreements
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> coming home I won't be in any shape for "play" - I'm looking at *maybe* an
> hour every day of "down time".

Oh, what a drag!! I'm sorry to hear this. :(  And you were just saying
yesterday how lucky you were to be able dress for "work" really
comfortably because you work at home!

I can relate to what you're going through, although yours sounds worse
than mine. I was out of work for over 3 years, except for some freelancing
which occasionally made me enough to live on, just not reliably enough.
So I got a full-time job, and I'm still adjusting to the daily commute,
to being away from home some 10+ hours a day, getting up in the morning
(I had become completely nocturnal in those 3 years), and taking care of
the daily business of living and managing my home while not being around
very much. It seems that my mission in life these days is to find
practical solutions to all the different issues that come up - when to
make certain phone calls, when to buy things I need, and so on. At least
you have an SO who can help - I live with cats only. They're wonderful
company, but aren't much help with stuff like housework and grocery
shopping! :)

Why did they change their minds? And why such an extreme change? Do
you think they'd be amenable to your going in 3 times a week rather
than every day? ie, some compromise?? It's such a radical change in
your life.

Can I suggest that you bring your lunch to work rather than buying
it every day? I've been doing that religiously since I started my job
early in May. I have two reasons for it - (1) it keeps the cost down,
and (2) the food I make is much healthier than most food I could buy
cheaply. I have a little cooler (one of those mini "personal" coolers),
and that keeps the food cold for several hours, so it doesn't spoil
in transit. That might help a little with the expense, anyway.

Maybe you could carpool, even a couple of days a week? Around here,
we have something called "Ride Share" where you can find out if anyone
is travelling a similar route who would be willing to share a ride.
If you don't have anything like that, maybe you could put an ad in
the local paper, or online bulletin board if you have that. Carpooling
would help with the gas prices!

Good luck - hope it's not too horrible a transition. And if you are
stuck with this, then I hope you find a new job ASAP!

Joyce
MaryL - 25 Jun 2006 12:27 GMT
> CatNipped wrote:
>
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>
> Joyce

That's what I do, except that I use an insulated lunch bag instead of a mini
cooler.  I always take my lunch in and eat at my desk.  Of course, students
know that and often "drop in" at noon, so that means that lunch time often
becomes office hours!   ;-)

MaryL

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Dan M - 23 Jun 2006 22:30 GMT
> Needless to say, I'm going to be looking for different employment (something
> that will be hard to do given all of the above).
>
> I could really use some job-finding purrs.

Oh, boy, can I sympathize! We'll be sending our best power-purrs that you
can avoid having to do that, or that you can find alternate employment.

Why do I sympathize so? You just described my job! Up at 5:00 AM to feed
the masters and scoop litter boxes, a drive of an hour and half to two
hours, working in an office that's a little more crowded than I am
comfortable with (and has about half the restroom capacity it needs), then
a two to three hour drive home. Spending about $60/week of gasoline and
$40/week on tools, buying a sandwich for lunch every day.

I do love the work. I'm an excellent system admin, and I love keeping a
handful of servers running even though I work with idiots and the
management regularly ignores my advice and entreaties. But I'd really love
to find an opportunity to do the same sort of work without the long
commute. I've got a couple of possibilities, but no firm prospects yet.

So yes, we will send the best purrs the furkids can muster.

Dan
Takayuki - 24 Jun 2006 07:08 GMT
>I do love the work. I'm an excellent system admin, and I love keeping a
>handful of servers running even though I work with idiots and the
>management regularly ignores my advice and entreaties. But I'd really love
>to find an opportunity to do the same sort of work without the long
>commute. I've got a couple of possibilities, but no firm prospects yet.

It's good that you do like your job, even if your commute is long.
You did used to have to drive a lot more though!  Purrs to you and
everyone to get your ideal jobs.

Like everyone else, I'm sometimes a bit down about my job, sometimes
up.  Up most of the time, I think.  But at least I live close to work
these days, because I used to have a long commute, and I hated it, so
I ended up moving to the center of gravity of the many suburban office
parks that dot the area.
sriddles@aol.com - 23 Jun 2006 22:40 GMT
> I've just been told that starting Monday I'll have to start coming into the
> office and will no longer be able to work from home (one of the agreements
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>
> CatNipped

Hope you find something more suitable. I don't blame you for not
wanting to shell out so much money on gas, etc.; and the hours away
from home too. The cats are going to miss you. They're like mine;
they're used to having somebody around. They like that even if they
won't admit it.

Sherry
jmcquown - 23 Jun 2006 22:41 GMT
> I've just been told that starting Monday I'll have to start coming
> into the office and will no longer be able to work from home (one of
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> I could really use some job-finding purrs.

Purrs on the way but may I interject some comments?

First of all, I can't help with the cost of gas or gridlocked traffic.  But
I *can* say $50 a week for lunch?  Who says you have to go out to eat every
day?  Leftovers, sweetie.  I used to get the best looks from people who came
by my desk every day just to see what I'd brought from home for lunch.
While they were busy eating their Wendy's burgers or whatever, I was
knoshing on leftover pot roast with potatoes or meatloaf or one of my killer
soups :)

Secondly, there is no rule about having to wear makeup to go to work.  I
know, we feel like we have to.  But you know what?  As I get older, I figure
it's not up to me to look *good* for the people I work with.  As long as the
job gets done, who gives a rip what you have on your face?

Here's a funny for ya.  I found out last week the guys who work at the
liquor store down the street had a bet between themselves.  One guy thought
I was probably 28, maybe 30.  The other guy bet I was 35.  HAHAHA!

So the guy who owns the place contrived a reason to ask me my age, saying
something like, "I'm always tempted to ask for your ID when you come in
here."  Of course I laughed.  Of course he asked my age.  When I told him
I'm 46 you could literally see his eyes pop out.  I had to show him my ID to
prove it to him.  And trust me, I wasn't wearing a stitch of makeup and
didn't look my best.  So, there you have it.  You can look great in other
people's eyes without wearing makeup :)

Jill
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 24 Jun 2006 02:15 GMT
> First of all, I can't help with the cost of gas or gridlocked traffic.  But
> I *can* say $50 a week for lunch?  Who says you have to go out to eat every
> day?

Some offices have no kitchen facilities, and forbid eating
at your desk - maybe hers is one of them?  I work for a CPA
firm, and even when mere staff go to a client's office, we
are not supposed to bring our lunch (even if the client has
an employee lunch room).

> Secondly, there is no rule about having to wear makeup to go to work.  I
> know, we feel like we have to.  But you know what?  As I get older, I figure
> it's not up to me to look *good* for the people I work with.  As long as the
> job gets done, who gives a rip what you have on your face?

Unfortunately, some places with a dress code DO "give a
rip"!  They can't FORCE you to wear makeup, but they can
make you feel awfully uncomfortable about it, if you don't
wear at least the minimum lipstick and eye-shadow.
Jo Firey - 24 Jun 2006 03:43 GMT
>> First of all, I can't help with the cost of gas or gridlocked traffic.
>> But
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> FORCE you to wear makeup, but they can make you feel awfully uncomfortable
> about it, if you don't wear at least the minimum lipstick and eye-shadow.

They will get me to keep lipstick and eye-shadow on the day all the guys are
required to wear the same.  Same goes for panty hose.

I'm plenty feminine, but no one has told me what to wear in a very long
time.

Yes I did buy panty hose for my daughters wedding last year, but it was so
hot I didn't wear them.  And I'm guessing hardly anyone else did either.

(I did make the concession of getting a good pedicure before hand and not
going barefoot till after the big day)

Jo
jmcquown - 24 Jun 2006 03:55 GMT
>>> First of all, I can't help with the cost of gas or gridlocked
>>> traffic. But
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>> uncomfortable about it, if you don't wear at least the minimum
>> lipstick and eye-shadow.

Oh Pulleeeze!

> They will get me to keep lipstick and eye-shadow on the day all the
> guys are required to wear the same.  Same goes for panty hose.

Thank you very much!  No one is going to tell me I have to wear eye shadow
and mascara!! and panty-hose in order to get the job done.  Screw that!

> I'm plenty feminine, but no one has told me what to wear in a very
> long time.

I understand dressing nicely, not all slouchy in torn up jeans or stuff that
looks like workout clothes.  But neither do I have to wear a "suit" in a
business casual atmosphere and makeup.  I dressed more like the office execs
than did the execs, simply because I like nice dresses.  But they didn't
require that I do so.

> Yes I did buy panty hose for my daughters wedding last year, but it
> was so hot I didn't wear them.  And I'm guessing hardly anyone else
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>
> Jo

I have some panty hose for special occasions and I do polish my toenails :)
No one tells me to do so, though.  No one will *ever* tell me to do so.  And
if they want my expertice on the job, they won't be looking at my face or at
my legs.

<---Don't hate me because I'm beautiful AND smart Jill ;)
jmcquown - 24 Jun 2006 03:58 GMT
>> First of all, I can't help with the cost of gas or gridlocked
>> traffic.  But I *can* say $50 a week for lunch?  Who says you have
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> make you feel awfully uncomfortable about it, if you don't
> wear at least the minimum lipstick and eye-shadow.

You must work at a terribly backward firm.  Anyplace I've ever worked at
least had a micowave and a place where someone could eat away from their
desk.  And makeup wasn't required.  But when I was younger I thought I
shouldn't leave the house without it.  Such a shame, being so embarrassed
about my natural looks.  Really, such a shame.

Jill
Monique Y. Mudama - 25 Jun 2006 00:27 GMT
> Unfortunately, some places with a dress code DO "give a rip"!  They
> can't FORCE you to wear makeup, but they can make you feel awfully
> uncomfortable about it, if you don't wear at least the minimum
> lipstick and eye-shadow.

As I understand it, there's no law against forcing people to wear
makeup -- heck, they could require the guys to wear makeup if they
wanted to.

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Irulan - 23 Jun 2006 22:44 GMT
ah, that sucks, Lois. Hope you find something really quick and that you
like. We are sending purrs and prayers.
Lily & her mama

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> I've just been told that starting Monday I'll have to start coming into
> the office and will no longer be able to work from home (one of the
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> I could really use some job-finding purrs.
Victor Martinez - 23 Jun 2006 22:56 GMT
> I could really use some job-finding purrs.

Lots of purrs. Do you think you could talk to someone in upper
management? I mean, it is part of your compensation in a way. If they
are taking that away from you, they should at least compensate you
monetarily, I think.

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Enfilade - 23 Jun 2006 23:27 GMT
> > I could really use some job-finding purrs.

I think you should have a talk with your supervisor or boss.  It might
be worth your while to note that the ability to work from home was your
primary reason for accepting the job in the first place, and that if
you can no longer do that, you will have to begin looking for other
employment that is closer by or will let you work from home.  Maybe
they can reach a compromise (like letting you come in 2 out of 5 days).

And do they require you to go out for lunches with others in your
office?  If not, take sandwiches or leftovers--they will be the same
cost as eating at home (maybe slightly more if you buy a
freezer-dinner, but even then, you're looking at $3 as opposed to $9
for a meal).

See if you can get a nice suit or two at a secondhand shop.  It will be
a lot cheaper.  You can get by with two pairs of pants and two shirts
to start, if you do laundry a lot, and get more as time goes on.

Forget the makeup...yes, it's nice to wear, but it's not a necessity
for your employment.  Maybe you can get some for Christmas or your
birthday.

It's strange that they would implement this change so fast.  Were they
not satisfied that you were getting enough work done at home?  I had
this happen to me--the concern was that 3 out of 5 workers were goofing
off during their work-at-home hours.  I pointed out that I was ahead of
schedule on my assignments, and they had the proof in their inboxes,
but they made me go in anyway since they wanted an increased presence
at their computer sites.  Frustrating.  I ended up goofing off at the
site, and then doing work at home in the evenings, since the site
computers were not set up for the job I was assigned to be doing.

Purrs.

--Fil
jmcquown - 24 Jun 2006 14:55 GMT
>>> I could really use some job-finding purrs.
>
> I think you should have a talk with your supervisor or boss.

I think this is a good time to point out an employment contract is a good
idea.  Set out the terms and conditions in writing.

> And do they require you to go out for lunches with others in your
> office?  If not, take sandwiches or leftovers--they will be the same
> cost as eating at home (maybe slightly more if you buy a
> freezer-dinner, but even then, you're looking at $3 as opposed to $9
> for a meal).

I always took leftovers to work.  Unlike some of the folks who spent $9 a
day on a fast food lunch, I was the belle of the ball when it came to lunch.
What's Jill got to eat today? became a very popular topic.  What was so
funny was people who said to me, "Did you make that yourself?" (as if
meatloaf and mashed potatoes with gravy is so terribly difficult).

> See if you can get a nice suit or two at a secondhand shop.  It will
> be a lot cheaper.  You can get by with two pairs of pants and two
> shirts to start, if you do laundry a lot, and get more as time goes
> on.

Hear hear!  I worked with some ladies who would go to the Salvation Army and
buy clothes that were brand new, tags still intact for about $5 for a pair
of slacks.

> Forget the makeup...yes, it's nice to wear, but it's not a necessity
> for your employment.  Maybe you can get some for Christmas or your
> birthday.

Makeup shouldn't be a requirement for a job but when you're our ages and
female you've been taught you are supposed to.  Then one day you wake up and
go "oh screw it".  LOL

> It's strange that they would implement this change so fast.  Were they
> not satisfied that you were getting enough work done at home?  I had
> this happen to me--the concern was that 3 out of 5 workers were
> goofing off during their work-at-home hours.

I worked with a guy who was GUNG HO! about working from home.  He didn't
bother to work while he was *at* the office so I was very vocal about not
letting him work from home.  Who had to carry his weight at the office every
day?  Working from home to him would have been the end all, be all of doing
nothing and getting paid for it.

I don't think Lori is *that way* but I'd sure be hesitant to hire someone
like this dude to work from home.  The only thing he was good at IN THE
OFFICE was homing in on which department had free food.  Maybe they were
having a departmental pot luck or a birthday lunch.  This guy could sniff
out free food at 500 yards.  And he'd insinuate his way in (shmoozing was
his middle name) and get a plate of free food.  Was he *ever* at his desk?
Uh, nope.  LOL

> Purrs.
>
> --Fil

Purrs from here, well, purrs from the closet where Persia is esconced :)

Jill
Jo Firey - 24 Jun 2006 01:21 GMT
> I've just been told that starting Monday I'll have to start coming into
> the office and will no longer be able to work from home (one of the
> agreements at the time of my hire).

OK  I'm not a lawyer and my advice is likely worth exactly what it costs.

But this sounds to be like the job you have has been terminated and they are
trying to stick you with one with different terms and conditions.

I'd say at least for unemployment purposes that you have been fired.  Only
they are trying to force it into a quit so they won't be liable for
unemployment.

The conditions of the job they are offering instead are not feasible
financially.

I'm really sorry that this has happened.  And with no notice sucks really
big time.

Purrs.  And more purrs.  Heck its to hot to do anything else around here.

They said they will purr all weekend, as long as I keep adding ice cubes to
their water.

jo
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 24 Jun 2006 02:05 GMT
> Needless to say, I'm going to be looking for different employment (something
> that will be hard to do given all of the above).
>
> I could really use some job-finding purrs.

You've got 'em from me, certainly!  I can really relate,
since I will be fully "retired" as of the end of next week -
not entirely by my own choice.  (I thought they just
intended to cut down on the three days a week I've been
working for the past five years, but that's not the way they
decided to do it.)  At least I do HAVE "retirement income",
and hopefully it's enough to manage on.  However, it really
motivates me to look into relocating to the
Scottsdale/Phoenix area.  (From what I've been seeing on the
internet, I should be able to find a decent apartment there
for considerably less than I am paying here in North
Hollywood CA.)
Monique Y. Mudama - 25 Jun 2006 00:23 GMT
> You've got 'em from me, certainly!  I can really relate,
> since I will be fully "retired" as of the end of next week -
> not entirely by my own choice.  (I thought they just
> intended to cut down on the three days a week I've been
> working for the past five years, but that's not the way they
> decided to do it.)  

Yuck.  Sorry to hear that.

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Annie Wxill - 24 Jun 2006 02:22 GMT
...> I could really use some job-finding purrs.
...> CatNipped

Purrs are on the way.  That Houston traffic is horrible.  I wouldn't want to
drive it, either.  I hope you find what you seek soon.

Annie, crew for Rosie and Cinder
Cheryl - 24 Jun 2006 02:40 GMT
> Needless to say, I'm going to be looking for different
> employment (something that will be hard to do given all of the
> above).
>
> I could really use some job-finding purrs.

AKKK!  I have so envied your work situation and I'm so bummed for you
that it won't continue. At least with this company.  CN, many
companies are going the home working route, so purrs that you find
one that can accommidate your wishes.  On that note, purrs for me
too, that I can find one that'll let me work that way! I'm so f'n
sick of where I work now.  It used to be like family, now everyone is
just kissing the a.s of this big company that bought us. Even though
one of the clauses of the sale was that part of our stock option for
retirement is to be held in escrow, and we're finding out all of the
situations where money will be drawn from that, and we'll never see
it. In my case, the amount held in escrow is about $30,000.  I'll
never see that.  I can tell now.

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polonca12000 - 24 Jun 2006 19:17 GMT
> AKKK!  I have so envied your work situation and I'm so bummed for you
> that it won't continue. At least with this company.  CN, many
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> it. In my case, the amount held in escrow is about $30,000.  I'll
> never see that.  I can tell now.

I'm so very sorry to hear about your situation, Cheryl.
Lots and lots of purrs and best wishes for you to find a much better job,
Polonca and Soncek
Candace - 25 Jun 2006 05:10 GMT
> AKKK!  I have so envied your work situation and I'm so bummed for you
> that it won't continue. At least with this company.  CN, many
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> it. In my case, the amount held in escrow is about $30,000.  I'll
> never see that.  I can tell now.

Wow, it seems to be almost universal.  Everyone's job sucks.  I know
mine does, and always has.  In the over 30 years that I have been
full-time employed, I have hated every single freaking job I've had.
But...some of these here sound worse...maybe I've been wrong.

I only commute about 20-25 minutes each way, have covered parking, we
have a full kitchen, complete with dishwasher, refrigerator, microwave,
crystal and china, and they even stock the kitchen with snacks...pop,
coffee, pretzels, candy, cheese, crackers, peanut butter, etc.  We
generally go out for lunch but since I work for a large healthcare
system, we can eat in the hospital cafeteria for pretty cheap...far
less than a restaurant.  We can eat in our kitchen, though, or even at
our desks if there are no outsiders around.

I've never been able to telecommute and that sounds like heaven but
maybe I should appreciate the good things I have at work...fairly nice
coworkers, nice surroundings.  I am anxiously awaiting the release of
"The Devil Wears Prada," though.  I know my Prada-wearing boss will not
compare favorably even with the Meryl Streep character.

Candace
MaryL - 25 Jun 2006 12:10 GMT
> I've never been able to telecommute and that sounds like heaven but
> maybe I should appreciate the good things I have at work...fairly nice
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>
> Candace

I have been really fortunate, and have always recognized it.  We are paid
far less than the average salaries for faculty (both statewide and
nationwide), but I teach in a very collegial atmosphere -- good friends
among faculty, students, and administrators; lower cost-of-living
(especially housing), which helps to make up for lower salaries; good
insurance plan; etc.  I have a great deal of flexibility, although I
actually put in far *more* than a 40-hour work week, although people outside
of faculty probably do not recognize it.  That is, I can set my own office
hours as long as I maintain the required number, and non-faculty do not
realize how many hours we spend in evenings, weekends, and summers.  I also
*give* a great deal because I am also flexible in accepting evening
meetings, long hours on search committees, student conferences set to meet a
student's schedule instead of mine, etc.  The same is true for a number of
other jobs, of course, such as public school teachers.  The net result is
that I have been in the same department for 37 years and have been happy for
most of that time!  Incidentally, I have informed the department that I plan
to retire in December 2007 because it takes a full year to finalize a good
faculty search, and I think the department deserves as much advance notice
as possible.

MaryL
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 25 Jun 2006 19:32 GMT
> I have been really fortunate, and have always recognized it.  We are paid
> far less than the average salaries for faculty (both statewide and
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> *give* a great deal because I am also flexible in accepting evening
> meetings

I can see where you are lucky, even though you work long hours for little
pay. Loving your work and having good friends where you work are so
important. Those are two things I haven't had much in my work life. There
have been many times when I've really enjoyed my work. And very occasionally,
I've had friends at work. But since most of my friends tend to be people-
oriented and/or artistic, I don't usually find those at computer companies,
and most of the time I maintain a cordial but not close relationship with
workmates. It would be a lot more fun, I'm sure, if I had deeper friendships
with them, but it hasn't worked out that way. I'm certainly thankful for
the good pay and benefits, anyway!

Joyce
Monique Y. Mudama - 25 Jun 2006 17:28 GMT
> Wow, it seems to be almost universal.  Everyone's job sucks.  I know
> mine does, and always has.  In the over 30 years that I have been
> full-time employed, I have hated every single freaking job I've had.
> But...some of these here sound worse...maybe I've been wrong.

I've never hated any job I had; even the job collecting recycling was
pretty fun, because I was working with fun people, and a lot of it was
just driving around in the collection vehicle.  We had some good
times.  But I was really dragging at my second software job.

I've had three jobs in my career so far, and I would rate them 2 - 3
- 1.  That is, my first job was pretty good, my second job wasn't that
hot, and my current job is the best so far.  This isn't to brag, just
to assure you that there *are* good jobs out there.  Partly it's a
matter of fit; after my previous job in aerospace, I decided I would
look for a smaller company with fewer layers of management and shorter
timeframes.  Boy, did I get it!  My company has 180 people (up from
150 when I started a year ago), about as flat a structure as you can
possibly have (my chain of command could be summed up as Team Lead,
then CTO), and timeframes measured in minutes and hours, sometimes,
and projects in weeks.

Anyway, I'm not trying to brag here, just to assure you that there
*are* good jobs to be found.  And my good job could be your worst
nightmare.  I have a good friend who is still at the aerospace company
and thrives on it.  

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Winnie - 25 Jun 2006 18:46 GMT
.

> I've never hated any job I had; even the job collecting recycling was
> pretty fun, because I was working with fun people, and a lot of it was
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> --
> monique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully

I worked in what used to be the largest private R&D company in Canada
for 20 years. I moved around working in different depts. Within the
company, there were good and bad jobs, and good and terrible managers.
Like others, I refused to work for some managers that were known to  be
hard to work for. But sometimes I didn't have any choice, as when
there were reorgs. And there were too many reorgs for my likings.

Winnie

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Takayuki - 24 Jun 2006 03:43 GMT
>Needless to say, I'm going to be looking for different employment (something
>that will be hard to do given all of the above).
>
>I could really use some job-finding purrs.

It feels so soon!  I know you (well, we all know) that you really
disliked the job you had before this one.  I hoped that you'd like
this job a lot, although I was concerned when you seemed down about
life in general just shortly after you started.  Purrs that you'll
find something that you like.
Matthew - 24 Jun 2006 04:02 GMT
Hey  for future reference   if you need some news clothes  for career
http://www.bcoutlet.com/bcoutlet/layout/layout.asp

Good luck finding new work :-)

> I've just been told that starting Monday I'll have to start coming into
> the office and will no longer be able to work from home (one of the
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>
> I could really use some job-finding purrs.
kilikini - 24 Jun 2006 09:30 GMT
> I've just been told that starting Monday I'll have to start coming into the
> office and will no longer be able to work from home (one of the agreements
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> --

Good luck!  I know how you feel; my husband drives between 1.5 - 2 hours
each way, too, and we have an SUV.  I know EXACTLY what you're talking about
between gridlock and gas prices.  You've got to find something else.  Purrs
that you find something soon.

kili
CatNipped - 24 Jun 2006 14:45 GMT
Thanks all for the purrs and I'll attempt to answer some questions here.
The office I'll be going to is right in the middle of the I-610 - I-10
interchange which is under *HEAVY* construction.  The traffic in that area
slows to a crawl even when it's not rush hour.  The office itself is really
crappy - has not refrigerator, microwave, or lunch area.

Lunches:  I can't just take sandwiches because of my special diet (I can
only have a small amount of bread) - a lot of things will make me very sick
after I eat them so at home I just stick to Lean Cuisine frozen dinners
(which are now out).

Clothes:  I really do have no "in between" clothes - I have business suits
(outdated, but still nice from my oil company days), and jeans and t-shirts.
I'm going to go to the thrift shop and see if I can get any second-hand
clothes to wear.  Make-up?  I had severe acne when I was a teenager and it
left bad scars on my face - I know it sounds shallow, but I feel really
self-conscious about not wearing make-up when I'm out.

I'm really, *REALLY* depressed because working from home is the closest I'll
ever get to retirement.  Ben and I are so over-extended that this new
expense will definitely send us over the edge.  Between a series of
financial disasters (starting when I was laid off from Hess one week after
we closed on this house 2.5 years ago, and culminating with having to help
our family get back on their feet after Katrina) - well, we *have* no more
401K or savings of any kind.  We live check to check and wouldn't last 2
weeks without my paycheck.

With the fibromyalgia, degenerative disk disease, and repetitive stress
injuries (from 40 years of pounding a keyboard), working from home was a
blessing - my office and equipment is all ergonomic and I didn't have the
stress of fighting traffic.  Just the stress of the 1.5 hour drive is going
to play hell on my body - add to that 8 hours of sitting on a cheap chair
working with cheap equipment, then another 1.5 hour drive and I am going to
be in *AGONY* by the time I get home.  Which brings me to the worse
consequence of all...

This group:  There will be no sneaking onto the group at work.  My boss is
the owner of the company and he is a software wizard.  He will have
everyone's computers wired every which way to Sunday and every keystroke I
make will be monitored.  I won't have time or the energy to make the effort
to read rpca in the evenings when I get home from work.  The weekends will
be spent washing, cleaning, and trying to recuperate some strength.

OK, now I'm really whining and making myself even more depressed!  I'll try
to pop in now and again when I can, but I may not be able to talk to you
guys for a while.

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> I've just been told that starting Monday I'll have to start coming into
> the office and will no longer be able to work from home (one of the
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>
> I could really use some job-finding purrs.
Enfilade - 24 Jun 2006 15:08 GMT
> Clothes:  I really do have no "in between" clothes - I have business suits
> (outdated, but still nice from my oil company days), and jeans and t-shirts.
> I'm going to go to the thrift shop and see if I can get any second-hand
> clothes to wear.  Make-up?  I had severe acne when I was a teenager and it
> left bad scars on my face - I know it sounds shallow, but I feel really
> self-conscious about not wearing make-up when I'm out.

If you still have business suits that you never wear, what you should
do is wear the pants from the suit, with a blouse on top.  Blouses are
pretty cheap secondhand and you already own the pants-- you don't have
to wear the suit blazer.  (I would keep one suit nice for future
interviews and wear the pants from the rest to work!)

You could also cook a frozen dinner in the morning, put it in a bowl,
and take it to work for lunch (it should keep that long).  Yes, they're
nicest hot but they're okay at room temperature (I've done this).

Do you think you could ask your boss or co-workers about chipping in on
a microwave, or maybe someone at the office has an old microwave or bar
fridge they could bring in?

Do you think you could get a doctor's note to justify getting
ergonometric stuff provided for you at work, or bolster your argument
to work at least some days from home?  After all, the company doesn't
want you out sick a lot....that ruins their productivity....

Continued purrs.

--Fil
kilikini - 24 Jun 2006 16:51 GMT
> > Clothes:  I really do have no "in between" clothes - I have business suits
> > (outdated, but still nice from my oil company days), and jeans and t-shirts.
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>
> --Fil

I agree with everything Fil said.  Oh, and if your boss can't make your work
station ergonomic, just bring in your own keyboard and chair.  What are they
going to say, "no?"

I hate this for you, though, Lori, I really do.  Just get through it until
you find something else.  You'll find it!

kili
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 24 Jun 2006 20:23 GMT
> You could also cook a frozen dinner in the morning, put it in a bowl,
> and take it to work for lunch (it should keep that long).  Yes, they're
> nicest hot but they're okay at room temperature (I've done this).

I cook a huge pot of stuff over the weekend, and eat that for several
days. Could be: pasta and meat sauce, a soup/stew, or legume dish of
some kind. It's not a lot of extra work to cook extra one time, as
compared to having to make something every day.

I really like being able to control what goes into my food, plus I eat
whole grains and, now that I can afford it, organic veggies. You can buy
that stuff in a frozen dinner at a health food store, but it's a lot more
expensive than just making it yourself. I guess it depends on how much
time/energy you have.

> Do you think you could ask your boss or co-workers about chipping in on
> a microwave, or maybe someone at the office has an old microwave or bar
> fridge they could bring in?

Really!! How hard is it to have a microwave and a small fridge? You can
get a decent microwave for under $100. If there's a break area in the
office, there's no reason they couldn't put at least a microwave in it.

Sigh... all this is very much on my mind right now because I'm adjusting
to a similar situation, although nowhere near as drastic!

Joyce
Jo Firey - 24 Jun 2006 16:01 GMT
> OK, now I'm really whining and making myself even more depressed!  I'll
> try to pop in now and again when I can, but I may not be able to talk to
> you guys for a while.

OK.  But it only takes a couple of seconds to close your eyes and remember
we are out here purring for you anyway.  And care very much. Let him try to
track that!

Jo
Winnie - 24 Jun 2006 18:24 GMT
> I'm really, *REALLY* depressed because working from home is the closest I'll
> ever get to retirement.  Ben and I are so over-extended that this new
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> be in *AGONY* by the time I get home.  Which brings me to the worse
> consequence of all...

So sorry to hear this. Purrs that you get a resolution or a new job
which allows you to work from home.

I am not working but still use the computer a lot at home. I need some
ergonomic setup
as I had repetitive stress on my hand 3 times while I was working. May
I ask what
kind of setup you have at home. Do you have pictures on your website?

I want to get a good ergonoic chair like the kind I had at work but it
is quite pricey. May have to bite the bullet to pay for one though.

Winnie

> This group:  There will be no sneaking onto the group at work.  My boss is
> the owner of the company and he is a software wizard.  He will have
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> >
> > See all my masters at:  http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped/
CatNipped - 24 Jun 2006 19:23 GMT
>> I'm really, *REALLY* depressed because working from home is the closest
>> I'll
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>
> Winnie

I don't have an "ergonomic" chair, per se, but I invested in a nice
high-backed leather chair that has a back rest that is shaped nicely to my
back and I can lean my head back to relieve the strain on my neck.  For a
keyboard I have a slide-under-the-desk keyboard tray that moves in any
direction (up down or sideways) and it tilts downwards from your body so
your wrists are never "cocked" - your hands lay in a straight line with the
rest of your arms.  My keyboard is a Microsoft "Earth" (split-type) that
allows your hands to face slightly inwards with the fingertips of each
slightly pointed towards each other.  Just picture your arms and hands lying
at rest in your lap, and that is how they should be positioned as you're
typing.  I have a tilting, flat-screen monitor that is positioned so I can
look at it straight on through the middle of my progressive lens (ha,
euphemism for tri-focals) and there is no glare on the screen.  My mouse is
also an ergonomic model and the mouse pad sits to the right on my keyboard
tray.

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>> This group:  There will be no sneaking onto the group at work.  My boss
>> is
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>> >
>> > See all my masters at:  http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped/
Winnie - 25 Jun 2006 18:54 GMT
> I don't have an "ergonomic" chair, per se, but I invested in a nice
> high-backed leather chair that has a back rest that is shaped nicely to my
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> CatNipped

Thanks for info!
Sounds like you have the setup I used to have at work, except for the
mouse, keyboard,
and monitor.
Is it a mouse with a track ball on it? Th e physiotherapist who worked
on my hands mentioned that once. I put a  screen on my monitor to cut
down on glare. I have see the keyboard you described.

I think what I should first get is a computer desk with a keyboard
tray, and a chair with
good back and neck support, and armrests.

Winnie

> See all my masters at:  http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped/
Monique Y. Mudama - 25 Jun 2006 00:18 GMT
> With the fibromyalgia, degenerative disk disease, and repetitive
> stress injuries (from 40 years of pounding a keyboard), working from
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> another 1.5 hour drive and I am going to be in *AGONY* by the time I
> get home.  Which brings me to the worse consequence of all...

Have you explained to their HR the kinds of expensive computer
equipment you *require* in order to be able to work without harming
yourself?  They won't dare refuse you, but they might see the light
about how it really is much better for them to leave things as they
are ...

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CatNipped - 25 Jun 2006 00:48 GMT
>> With the fibromyalgia, degenerative disk disease, and repetitive
>> stress injuries (from 40 years of pounding a keyboard), working from
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> about how it really is much better for them to leave things as they
> are ...

I work for a guy who has his own business and I'm one of only about 10
employees.  He has an agency doing his payroll and HR on consignment.  I
don't want to make waves in this situation since it's a small enough
business that he doesn't have to abide by a lot of federal regulations
bigger companies do, and if I get fired we'll *REALLY* be SOL (Texas is an
"at will" state so an employer doesn't even have to give you a day's
notice)!

I'm just starting to "network" and look around.  I'm willing to take as much
as a $5K cut in salary (that's about how much it will cost me to commute) if
I can find something closer to home.  I'm looking frantically, so job
finding purrs will be really appreciated.

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polonca12000 - 25 Jun 2006 22:01 GMT
<snip>
> With the fibromyalgia, degenerative disk disease, and repetitive stress
> injuries (from 40 years of pounding a keyboard), working from home was a
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> working with cheap equipment, then another 1.5 hour drive and I am going to
> be in *AGONY* by the time I get home.  <snip>

Please try to talk to your boss about these health concerns, they will
affect your productivity, so maybe you can convince your boss to
reconsider his decision.
Lots and lots of purrs and best wishes for you to be able to continue
working from home,
Polonca and Soncek
sriddles@aol.com - 25 Jun 2006 22:52 GMT
snip
> I'm really, *REALLY* depressed because working from home is the closest I'll
> ever get to retirement.  Ben and I are so over-extended that this new
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> 401K or savings of any kind.  We live check to check and wouldn't last 2
> weeks without my paycheck.
snipped
> > Hugs,
> >
> > CatNipped

Just a suggestion, because you sound like you are really loving staying
at home. What about maybe downsizing your lifestyle so that you could
just work part-time, or not at all? Getting into a smaller home,
sharing one vehicle, and so on.
I *do not* miss working. I do what I want to, when I want to. I love my
volunteer jobs, both the Humane Society and Toy Shop. It's my "job"
now, only I get to work at as much as I need to, just to keep from
being a recluse, and I really feel better about the work I do than I
did when I was just lining some publisher's pockets.
You'd be surprised how low our annual income is. I can stretch a buck
when I don't have to spend so many hours away from home.
I will probably never own a bigger house, a better car or go on a
cruise. We rarely to out to restaurants. But I don't care about those
things.
Good luck with whatever you decide. It seems that an awful lot of
people work from home these days too; maybe you could find something
else that would allow you to work from your home office, too.

Sherry
bobblespin - 26 Jun 2006 17:50 GMT
> Just a suggestion, because you sound like you are really loving
> staying at home. What about maybe downsizing your lifestyle so that
> you could just work part-time, or not at all? Getting into a smaller
> home, sharing one vehicle, and so on.
> I *do not* miss working. I do what I want to, when I want to. I love

snip

> Sherry


Excellent suggestion.  In 1990 when my husband lost his job and
subsenquently retired we downsized to a smaller house with no mortgage.  We
still have our 1994 Corolla instead of trading it in every 2 years.  As an
added bonus I got rid of 15 years of migraines and have never been happier.  
I now only work from November to the end of April for a temp help agency,
picking and choosing my assignments, and enjoy summers off. We don't miss
the big house, the new car, but still live comfortably.  It's amazing the
nice work clothes you can buy at the second hand stores.
CatNipped - 26 Jun 2006 22:06 GMT
> > Just a suggestion, because you sound like you are really loving
> > staying at home. What about maybe downsizing your lifestyle so that
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> the big house, the new car, but still live comfortably.  It's amazing the
> nice work clothes you can buy at the second hand stores.

I would *LOVE* to do that, but we just can't.  We have only been living
in our house for 2.5 years and have no equity with which to purchase
another, smaller house.  We really wouldn't find anything cheaper since
we got this one at a bargain price (it's huge, but it was *definitely*
a fixer-upper).  And all the rest of the bills won't go away no matter
what (and since the Bush administration has done away with bancruptcy
we couldn't even do that even if we were willing to ruin our credit
reputation).

I'm the main "breadwinner" of the family - we couldn't live off DH's
salary even for a few weeks.  I'm desperately looking around for
something else.

I am taking a chance and posting this from work (through Google Groups
- so I can delete the "history").  I was flabbergasted by what my boss
told me this morning.  He said I *have* to pass the MCSD/MCAD
certifications by next month and he wants me to immediately start
writing software packages for our company to sell (I don't do that, I'm
a web developer - I've *NEVER* done that or claimed to be able to do
that when I was hired).  I told him that the online training he paid
for was not working for me since is was nothing more than reading dry
text (with *VERY* little explanation and no "hands on" examples - which
is how I learn).  He said he has already spent thousands of dollars on
my training (liar - the online service charges $350 for access to all
their courses for a year) and he can't afford another $3000 to send me
to a classroom training school.

I'm not going to quit - which is what it seems he's trying to make me
do - I need the unemployment benefits if I get "laid off".  But since
Texas is an "at will" state, he might be able to outright fire me and
thus disallow my unemployment benefits.

I don't know what we going to do - right now I'm so depressed I can't
stop crying.

Hugs,

CatNipped
polonca12000 - 26 Jun 2006 22:26 GMT
<snip>I was flabbergasted by what my boss
> told me this morning.  He said I *have* to pass the MCSD/MCAD
> certifications by next month and he wants me to immediately start
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>
> CatNipped

Lots and lots of hugs and purrs,
Polonca and Soncek
Monique Y. Mudama - 27 Jun 2006 05:31 GMT
> I'm not going to quit - which is what it seems he's trying to make
> me do - I need the unemployment benefits if I get "laid off".  But
> since Texas is an "at will" state, he might be able to outright fire
> me and thus disallow my unemployment benefits.

I have to agree; it seems like he's trying to force you out.  Or maybe
he just doesn't understand computers, so he just figures you can do
that *waves hands* stuff?

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polonca12000 - 24 Jun 2006 17:39 GMT
> I've just been told that starting Monday I'll have to start coming into the
> office and will no longer be able to work from home (one of the agreements
> at the time of my hire).  We're talking about an hour and a half drive there
> (in gridlocked traffic) and an hour and a half home again.  Because I have a
> truck, I'll be spending a *MINIMUM* of $80 - $100 a week in gas alone.  
<snip>
> Needless to say, I'm going to be looking for different employment (something
> that will be hard to do given all of the above).
>
> I could really use some job-finding purrs.

Lots and lots of purrs and best wishes for a great new job for you, CN,
Polonca and Soncek
Randy - 24 Jun 2006 21:52 GMT
>I've just been told that starting Monday I'll have to start coming into the
>office and will no longer be able to work from home (one of the agreements
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
>I could really use some job-finding purrs.

Lots and lots of purrs coming your way. May the search be short and the outcome
exceptional.

Huggs back,
Randy

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Monique Y. Mudama - 25 Jun 2006 00:16 GMT
> Needless to say, I'm going to be looking for different employment
> (something that will be hard to do given all of the above).
>
> I could really use some job-finding purrs.

Purrs incoming.  Is there much of a tech market close to your house?

I definitely believe in a short commute.  It's time you just can't
recoup!

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Sam - 25 Jun 2006 04:17 GMT
> I've just been told that starting Monday I'll have to start coming into the
> office and will no longer be able to work from home (one of the agreements
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> I could really use some job-finding purrs.

Great job purrs on the way.  It's a b*tch when they change the rules.

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Wayne Boatwright - 25 Jun 2006 04:47 GMT
Oh pshaw, on Fri 23 Jun 2006 01:46:51p, CatNipped meant to say...

> I've just been told that starting Monday I'll have to start coming into
> the office and will no longer be able to work from home (one of the
> agreements at the time of my hire).  

Did you have a contract with that stipulation?  If not, you don't have a
leg to stand on.

We're talking about an hour and a
> half drive there (in gridlocked traffic) and an hour and a half home
> again.  Because I have a truck, I'll be spending a *MINIMUM* of $80 -
> $100 a week in gas alone.  

It was, apparently, your choice to have a truck.  Perhaps you need to
consider a more economical vehicle.  While I realize this change may be a
shock to you, many people spend that much time or more on the road to get
to and from work.

I have *NO* clothes appropriate for the work
> place dress code (business casual - I have either dress suits or jeans),
> so I'll be spending money on that (including makeup, which I don't have
> to wear at home).  

Appropriate clothing is part of the overhead of working.  I doubt that
wearing makeup is a requirement.  I think it would be hard to enforce.

I'll be paying for lunch now, so that's another $50
> or so a week.  As I've said here in the past, DH and I are extremely
> over-extended as it is - this is going to put us over the edge!

There are many alternatives to spending $10/day for lunch in a restaurant.  
I rather doubt the average person does so.

> All of that is not even considering what my home life will be like now.
> I'll have to wake at 5:30AM and won't be getting home until 7:00PM.

I get up at 4:30AM to arrive and begin work at 7:00AM for an 8-hour day.

> I'll have no time for my exercise or biking, and by the time I fight
> traffic coming home I won't be in any shape for "play" - I'm looking at
> *maybe* an hour every day of "down time".

Do you want to work or do you want to play?  Few have the luxury of ample
time for both.

> Needless to say, I'm going to be looking for different employment
> (something that will be hard to do given all of the above).

Needless to say, you probably need to.

> I could really use some job-finding purrs.

It must be terrible to not be coddled anymore.

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Monique Y. Mudama - 25 Jun 2006 17:33 GMT
> It must be terrible to not be coddled anymore.

Are you a known troll that I somehow missed, or are you just being
annoying?

Duh, duh, duh to everything you said.  So what?  Sometimes you just
want to gripe a little about something that comes as a shock and isn't
pleasant.  Real friends let you do that, for a little while at least.

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Wayne Boatwright - 28 Jun 2006 02:35 GMT
Oh pshaw, on Sun 25 Jun 2006 09:33:05a, Monique Y. Mudama meant to say...

>> It must be terrible to not be coddled anymore.
>
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> want to gripe a little about something that comes as a shock and isn't
> pleasant.  Real friends let you do that, for a little while at least.

Just being realistic.  Sorry you're being faced with this, but it's more a
part of the real world and circumstances than your previous circumstances.  
'Hope things work out.

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 28 Jun 2006 06:03 GMT
> Just being realistic.  Sorry you're being faced with this, but
> it's more a part of the real world and circumstances than your
> previous circumstances.  

Yeah, but so what? In what way was your post intended to be helpful?
Wayne Boatwright - 28 Jun 2006 13:17 GMT
Oh pshaw, on Tue 27 Jun 2006 10:03:30p,  meant to say...

> > Just being realistic.  Sorry you're being faced with this, but
> > it's more a part of the real world and circumstances than your
> > previous circumstances.  
>
> Yeah, but so what? In what way was your post intended to be helpful?

Yeah, but so what?  It as commentary.  It had no intention.

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Cheryl Perkins - 28 Jun 2006 13:19 GMT
> Oh pshaw, on Tue 27 Jun 2006 10:03:30p,  meant to say...

>> > Just being realistic.  Sorry you're being faced with this, but
>> > it's more a part of the real world and circumstances than your
>> > previous circumstances.  
>>
>> Yeah, but so what? In what way was your post intended to be helpful?

> Yeah, but so what?  It as commentary.  It had no intention.

Commentary has intention. Anything other than an accident has intention,
and it's hard to imagine an accidental comment (as opposed to a comment
that is accidentally ambiguous, misinterpreted, etc.)

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Wayne Boatwright - 29 Jun 2006 04:02 GMT
Oh pshaw, on Wed 28 Jun 2006 05:19:58a, Cheryl Perkins meant to say...

>> Oh pshaw, on Tue 27 Jun 2006 10:03:30p,  meant to say...
>
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> and it's hard to imagine an accidental comment (as opposed to a comment
> that is accidentally ambiguous, misinterpreted, etc.)

Whatever...  I didn't say any more than what I perceived as truth.  If the
truth hurts, so be it.  Some people love nothing better than whining and
gaining sympathy for it.  If the OP didn't sign a contract with
stipulations about her working arrangements, then she has no one to blame
but herself.  She's lucky to have a job.

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Monique Y. Mudama - 28 Jun 2006 14:34 GMT
> Just being realistic.  Sorry you're being faced with this, but it's
> more a part of the real world and circumstances than your previous
> circumstances.  'Hope things work out.

I wasn't the OP.  The real world encompasses a wide variety of
circumstances, including children who die of AIDS at the age of five,
and people who have jobs they love.  From the perspective of a child
in rural Africa, you're the one who's not living in the real world,
with your high tech usenet access and your inconceivable prosperity.

Your concept of realism is pretty crappy, because it seems to assume
that everyone has an excessive commute, bad boss, and a work
environment that doesn't take into account your health needs.  Sure,
you can have all of that and still be okay with it, but most people
aren't really aware and okay -- they're just numbed.

My concept of reality is that Lori is my friend, and she was telling
me and others who care about a little rough patch.  Lori's a strong
person, so in the end I know that she'll find a way to either work
with the job or find a better job, but when she started this thread
she was feeling a little overwhelmed, and she wanted some support from
her friends in this group.

I wonder what the point of your post is.  Surely you know that telling
people things like "suck it up" and "you're not living in the real
world" aren't actually constructive, and are unlikely to result in the
person suddenly having an "ahah!" moment and becoming more proactive,
so I can only assume that you get some satisfaction out of feeling
superior to other posters or feeling righteous.  That's okay; it's a
character flaw I have, too.  But I'm working on it.

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 28 Jun 2006 21:14 GMT
> I wonder what the point of your post is.  Surely you know that telling
> people things like "suck it up" and "you're not living in the real
> world" aren't actually constructive, and are unlikely to result in the
> person suddenly having an "ahah!" moment and becoming more proactive,

This is just an excuse for why people say stuff like that. They don't
really want to help anyone have an "aha!" moment. When busted and
challenged, they have to come up with some reason for why they felt
the need to kick someone when they're down. The worst ones don't even
admit to *themselves* that it's just an excuse, and they actually
believe their own bullsh*t.

I think it's really about offloading hostility, for whatever reason.
Maybe the person has had a crappy commute for the past 5 years, to a
job they utterly detest, and it just annoys the hell out of them to
see someone complaining about a situation that's not even as bad as
theirs. Or maybe they're just mean. Who knows. It's not about being
helpful, IMO.

> so I can only assume that you get some satisfaction out of feeling
> superior to other posters or feeling righteous.  That's okay; it's a
> character flaw I have, too.  But I'm working on it.

If you have this flaw, Monique, it doesn't show here!

Joyce
Wayne Boatwright - 29 Jun 2006 04:06 GMT
Oh pshaw, on Wed 28 Jun 2006 01:14:56p,  meant to say...

> > I wonder what the point of your post is.  Surely you know that telling
> > people things like "suck it up" and "you're not living in the real
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>
> Joyce

Drama Queens, all of you!

This group should be called rec.pets.cats.whiners.corner.

More's the pity that I happened onto it.

I know you'll all say good riddance, but it hasn't been a pleasure being
here for me either.

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 29 Jun 2006 04:12 GMT
> More's the pity that I happened onto it.

> I know you'll all say good riddance, but it hasn't been a pleasure being
> here for me either.

Buh-bye!
Randy - 29 Jun 2006 15:05 GMT
>I know you'll all say good riddance, but it hasn't been a pleasure being
>here for me either.

Then why are you here?

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Monique Y. Mudama - 29 Jun 2006 05:37 GMT
> > so I can only assume that you get some satisfaction out of feeling
> > superior to other posters or feeling righteous.  That's okay; it's
> > a character flaw I have, too.  But I'm working on it.
>
> If you have this flaw, Monique, it doesn't show here!

Sure it does.  I've gotten on my high horse a few times here.  But
thanks for the vote of confidence =)

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Wayne Boatwright - 29 Jun 2006 04:02 GMT
Oh pshaw, on Wed 28 Jun 2006 06:34:45a, Monique Y. Mudama meant to say...

>> Just being realistic.  Sorry you're being faced with this, but it's
>> more a part of the real world and circumstances than your previous
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> superior to other posters or feeling righteous.  That's okay; it's a
> character flaw I have, too.  But I'm working on it.

Obviously there are more people here who like to whine than just the OP.

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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 25 Jun 2006 21:27 GMT
> Oh pshaw, on Fri 23 Jun 2006 01:46:51p, CatNipped meant to say...
>
>>I've just been told that starting Monday I'll have to start coming into
>>the office and will no longer be able to work from home (one of the
>>agreements at the time of my hire).  

(Most of self-righteous diatribe snipped)

> It must be terrible to not be coddled anymore.

How has a "helpful" creep like you remained unplonked on
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Christine K. - 25 Jun 2006 22:10 GMT
> How has a "helpful" creep like you remained unplonked on this NG?

Haven't seen him post that much... ;)

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Wayne Boatwright - 28 Jun 2006 02:35 GMT
Oh pshaw, on Sun 25 Jun 2006 02:10:51p, Christine K. meant to say...

>> How has a "helpful" creep like you remained unplonked on this NG?
>
> Haven't seen him post that much... ;)

I haven't.

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Adrian A - 25 Jun 2006 22:18 GMT
> How has a "helpful" creep like you remained unplonked on
> this NG?

He didn't remain unplonked by me, the only way I know he's posted anything
is because of other people's replys.
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Wayne Boatwright - 28 Jun 2006 02:36 GMT
Oh pshaw, on Sun 25 Jun 2006 02:18:34p, Adrian A meant to say...

>> How has a "helpful" creep like you remained unplonked on this NG?
>
> He didn't remain unplonked by me, the only way I know he's posted anything
> is because of other people's replys.

That's probably a good thing.  I won't have to see you either. :-)

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Victor Martinez - 26 Jun 2006 03:43 GMT
> How has a "helpful" creep like you remained unplonked on this NG?

Cuz he's new. :) Oversight now corrected.

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Wayne Boatwright - 28 Jun 2006 02:36 GMT
Oh pshaw, on Sun 25 Jun 2006 07:43:09p, Victor Martinez meant to say...

>> How has a "helpful" creep like you remained unplonked on this NG?
>
> Cuz he's new. :) Oversight now corrected.

Thank God!

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glsummer@neptunelink.com - 26 Jun 2006 18:18 GMT
>I've just been told that starting Monday I'll have to start coming into the
>office and will no longer be able to work from home (one of the agreements
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>
>I could really use some job-finding purrs.
You got it.  Purrs on the way.

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Judith Latham - 27 Jun 2006 21:46 GMT
> I've just been told that starting Monday I'll have to start coming into
> the office and will no longer be able to work from home (one of the
> agreements at the time of my hire).  We're talking about an hour and a
> half drive there (in gridlocked traffic) and an hour and a half home
> again.  Because I have a truck, I'll be spending a *MINIMUM* of $80 -
> $100 a week in gas alone.

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> Needless to say, I'm going to be looking for different employment
> (something that will be hard to do given all of the above).

> I could really use some job-finding purrs

No purrs available so good luck vibes are on their way.

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