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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / June 2006Good news, bad news, and kittens update
The good news: Snowball came home this afternoon. It's not unusual for her to disappear for weeks at a time, but never two days short of a full month. She's healthy, happy, and hungry. The bad news: Spooky did *not* come home today. He went out yesterday during a break in the rain - that surprised me because he never goes out when it's wet, in fact, he hadn't been out at all in the last few weeks. I posted back in March that he was getting old, and he's been deteriorating rapidly lately. I think he went outside to find a place to be alone to die in peace. I will be very surprised if he returns, but I hope he does. Now, the three red tabby kittens. They are growing up rapidly. They're a bit over ten weeks old now, and all but Sieglinde have fully colored eyes. They have gotten quieter, except that Siegfried appears headed toward being a noisy face licker type lap cat. Siegmund is the only one not purring loudly when petted. They get along well with all the adults except Snowball, who just met them a few hours ago. Since they have mastered the kitchen door cat flap into the mud room and are now using the adults' food, water, and litter, I have removed the bowls and pan I set up for them in the bathroom - I'll add kitten chow to the food pan until I run out. Speaking of Siegfried, he's also showing signs of being a very demanding computer room cat - he's walking all over my hands, meowing, and licking my fingers right now ... and purring loudly enough to be heard across the room. ... A bit of petting did not calm him down for more than a minute or so. That kitten is going to be a problem. Correction: he *is* a problem. The other two are just exploring the room between wrestling matches. They still do the zoomies on the bed and toe greeble attacks thing during the night. Yesterday, one of them stepped on the off button for the UPS that powers my satellite transciever/modem and router which took my server off line for a while.  SignatureT.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu) Well I certainly send purrs for Spooky. I hate the idea of a cat going away to 'die in peace' I wouldn't want my cat to do that. If my cat was old, i would hope it would either choose a safe place here at home or let me know when he wanted to go. But that's just me. I don't know but the whole idea just gives me the willies. So i hope he comes back. Have any piccies of the red tabbies? Kristi >Well I certainly send purrs for Spooky. I hate the idea of a cat going >away to 'die in peace' I wouldn't want my cat to do that. If my cat [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I don't know but the whole idea just gives me the willies. So i hope >he comes back. Last night was the first night I can remember when he wasn't in the bed with me getting his daily dose of petting when I went to bed. For the last few nights though, Ozy has been all but pushing him aside. >Have any piccies of the red tabbies? Only the first few: <http://users.wildblue.net/daviste/> (link on that page). I have a few more in the camera but I haven't had time to take more or process those. SignatureT.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu) > Well I certainly send purrs for Spooky. I hate the idea of a cat going > away to 'die in peace' I wouldn't want my cat to do that. If my cat > was old, i would hope it would either choose a safe place here at home > or let me know when he wanted to go. But that's just me. Well, that IS what animals do in the wild, and I gather from his posts that most of Ted's cats have been semi-feral rescues. It's a sad fact of feline life, but personally I'd rather that than keep a suffering cat with a terminal condition alive simply because I couldn't bear to part with it. Better the cat take the decision out of my hands. > Well, that IS what animals do in the wild, and I gather from his posts > that most of Ted's cats have been semi-feral rescues. It's a sad fact > of feline life, but personally I'd rather that than keep a suffering cat > with a terminal condition alive simply because I couldn't bear to part > with it. Better the cat take the decision out of my hands. If Ted had a backbone or any "intestinal fortitude" he would be able to let Spooky die with dignity instead of being the wimp he is. Hopefully he will be able to "suck it up" and do what's right if it comes to that as it seems it mightl be. But I kinda doubt he can - though I hope I am wrong. bf Purrs are sent from my two resident felines. Actually, Mischief didn't, I did. (But who expects trolls to understand attributing posts correctly?) >> Well, that IS what animals do in the wild, and I gather from his posts >> that most of Ted's cats have been semi-feral rescues. It's a sad fact [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > as it seems it mightl be. But I kinda doubt he can - though I hope I am > wrong. .....And troll season is just STARTING! (P-L-O-N-K!) > Actually, Mischief didn't, I did. (But who expects trolls > to understand attributing posts correctly?) [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > .....And troll season is just STARTING! (P-L-O-N-K!) lol Go, Evelyn > The bad news: Spooky did *not* come home today. He went out yesterday > during a break in the rain - that surprised me because he never goes [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > to be alone to die in peace. I will be very surprised if he returns, > but I hope he does. I would be too especially since you were dumb enough to let him out - maybe you should have had a brain and kept him inside since he was ailing. Or maybe he will get a true home for his last days better than the one he had. >> The bad news: Spooky did *not* come home today. He went out yesterday >> during a break in the rain - that surprised me because he never goes [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >ailing. Or maybe he will get a true home for his last days better than >the one he had. I bought a place in the country so I could have free cats instead of captives. The ones that want to be indoor cats are free to be indoor cats; the ones that want to be outdoor cats can be outdoor cats; the ones that want to be both can be both, and they can change their minds whenever convenient. Many of the cats in my clowder were semiferal as kittens - most of the others were discarded or lost when I rescued them. Spooky's background is unknown - he came to dinner one night in October 1992 and stayed. He liked not having to be outside and having the freedom to go out when it suited him. SignatureT.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu) > >> The bad news: Spooky did *not* come home today. He went out yesterday > >> during a break in the rain - that surprised me because he never goes [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > -- > T.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu) In a nice little cookie-cutter world, every cat would have an indoor home with safe access to the outdoors. Makes me wonder which cookie-cutter world some of the posters we get come from. The reality is, cats are as different. Some cats would go slap crazy confined indoors. It's fortunate that there are a few places where it's relatively safe to let a cat out. And confining *that particular type* of cat indoors against its will IMO is borderline abuse. >> The bad news: Spooky did *not* come home today. He went out yesterday >> during a break in the rain - that surprised me because he never goes [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Or maybe he will get a true home for his last days better than the one he > had. One would only hope. Ted is a brutal moron who should not have cats. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >>> The bad news: Spooky did *not* come home today. He went out yesterday >>> during a break in the rain - that surprised me because he never goes [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >One would only hope. Ted is a brutal moron who should not have cats. I suspect that the reason you are such an "indoor only" fanitic is that any cat of yours that had a chance to run away would run away at the first opportunity. I'm so brutal to cats that strays and ferals sometimes seek out my clowder and join it. When was the last time a cat *chose* to live with you? SignatureT.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu) SPAM filter: Messages to this address *must* contain "T.E.D." somewhere in the body or they will be automatically rejected. > I suspect that the reason you are such an "indoor only" fanitic is > that any cat of yours that had a chance to run away would run away at [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > clowder and join it. When was the last time a cat *chose* to live > with you? Note, you are being bated by a non-resident troll. Try to ignore. Jo > > I suspect that the reason you are such an "indoor only" fanitic is > > that any cat of yours that had a chance to run away would run away at [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Jo I realise Cybercat is a worthless troll, but I enjoy a good flame too much to initially ignore. I'm with Ted, and just wanted to show support for an realistic cat lover. Clangnuts >> > I suspect that the reason you are such an "indoor only" fanitic is >> > that any cat of yours that had a chance to run away would run away at [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Clangnuts You may enjoy a "good flame", but this group does not. Here's a quote from our FAQ: http://www.angelfire.com/mt/yowie/catfaq.htm: "6.2.3 The indoor/outdoor debate. We've all go our own viewpoints: only you can decide what is best for your cat. Most people know all the issues back to front and don't want to hear them again." [BTW Yowie, my offer of web space to host the FAQ page - with your own login - still applies, the pop-ups on that page drive me crazy!!] ;> I consider myself a "realistic cat lover" and all may cats stay happily, and safe, indoors. Please don't assume that everyone here, except "trolls", believes in letting cats roam. Hugs, CatNipped > >> > I suspect that the reason you are such an "indoor only" fanitic is > >> > that any cat of yours that had a chance to run away would run away at [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > You may enjoy a "good flame", but this group does not. Here's a quote from > our FAQ: http://www.angelfire.com/mt/yowie/catfaq.htm: So, Catnipped, you're now the FAQ police and group spokesperson? In the group that was calling *you* a troll just a few short months ago ... lol >> >> > On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 23:38:43 -0500, "cybercat" >> >> > <cyberpurrs@yahoo.com> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > ... > lol Not the FAQ police, just stating a fact - we've gone over this issue ad infinitum and it will *never* be resolved! In fact we've gone over it so much that most of the people here (and the indoor-only crowd is, I believe, a majority here from my count of what I've read of others' cats) don't even respond any more. You're not the only one who objects to people spouting the "benefits" of allowing cats to roam, unopposed by those who know better. You're not even the only one trying to even the argument (although I am feeling a bit lonely). And a lot of people here still (and again, after this latest indoor/outdoor argument in other threads) call me a troll and have me kill-filed. That won't stop me from writing what I believe. Even when I'm trying to defend *you* and your point of view!!! ;> However, again, this is an issue that the group (*without* my assistance or spokespersonship) has agreed to disagree on. SignatureHugs, CatNipped See all my masters at: http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped/ > Inviato da X-Privat.Org - Registrazione gratuita > http://www.x-privat.org/join.php > >> >> > On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 23:38:43 -0500, "cybercat" > >> >> > <cyberpurrs@yahoo.com> [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > However, again, this is an issue that the group (*without* my assistance or > spokespersonship) has agreed to disagree on. I see. Well, you know I love you. But if it sounds like the FAQ police and it looks like the FAQ police, and it acts like the FAQ police ... (be careful who you hang around, kid! You become like them in the end, to one degree or another. Conform here if you want, but do you really want to be an enforcer?) >>> > I suspect that the reason you are such an "indoor only" fanitic is >>> > that any cat of yours that had a chance to run away would run away at [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > CatNipped I never supported either viewpiont in my post. You seem a little uptight. All I said was that Ted is a realistic cat lover. For TEDS situation, I agree with his actions. Every situation has to be viewed individually. Clangnuts > > I suspect that the reason you are such an "indoor only" fanitic is > > that any cat of yours that had a chance to run away would run away at [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Note, you are being bated by a non-resident troll. Try to ignore. Bated? Did you mean, "baited?" Nonsense. I am merely expressing my opinion that Ted is an abusive a.s for letting a kitten out unsupervised. Here's another: you are a sanctimonious, tight-lipped moron. Again, I have no interest in provoking you, just stating my opinion. It's great, isn't it? It is a breath of fresh air in the Kingdom of Hypocritia, almost as though someone opened your windows and unplugged the air fresheners to get the toilet smell out of your nasty abode. >Note, you are being bated by a non-resident troll. Try to ignore. Playing games with flamers (and trolls - that was more of a flame than a troll) is an old usenet sport. SignatureT.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu) > >Note, you are being bated by a non-resident troll. Try to ignore. > > Playing games with flamers (and trolls - that was more of a flame than > a troll) is an old usenet sport. It is, is it? What do you do with people who just think you suck a.s as a cat owner? a.shole. >>> The bad news: Spooky did *not* come home today. He went out yesterday >>> during a break in the rain - that surprised me because he never goes [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >One would only hope. Ted is a brutal moron who should not have cats. Typically, cats go away from home to die ... if they can. What do you call denying a cat its last request by forbidding it to die the way it wants to? SignatureT.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu) SPAM filter: Messages to this address *must* contain "T.E.D." somewhere in the body or they will be automatically rejected. >>>> The bad news: Spooky did *not* come home today. He went out >>>> yesterday during a break in the rain - that surprised me because [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > call denying a cat its last request by forbidding it to die the way it > wants to? It's a pity cybercats don't go away to die. SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera) Cats leave pawprints on your heart. http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk >>>>>The bad news: Spooky did *not* come home today. He went out >>>>>yesterday during a break in the rain - that surprised me because [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > It's a pity cybercats don't go away to die. It's a pity kill-files occasionally slip - I'm sure I plonked "cybercat" a long time ago! > Typically, cats go away from home to die ... if they can. What do you > call denying a cat its last request by forbidding it to die the way it > wants to? Did he specifically "ask" you to let him do this? No because he can't. You are a spineless wimp who doesn't have it in him to let a cat go peacefully and with dignity through being PTS. You'd rather let him wander off and die alone because you don't really give a crap about him. IF you did you would do the right thing and have him PTS if it has come to that instead of just setting on your hands and "letting nature take it's course" as you imagine is happening. When you're not in the Serengeti - this is the real world wake up idiot. >> Typically, cats go away from home to die ... if they can. What do you >> call denying a cat its last request by forbidding it to die the way it [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > it's course" as you imagine is happening. When you're not in the > Serengeti - this is the real world wake up idiot. It is YOU who are the "idiot"! In the "real" world, creatures dies when they are ready to die (it's we who live in an artificial environment). Humans have the option to save an animal needless agony, in which case "euthanising" them is an act of mercy. If a cat is merely old, but not apparently suffering, why not let it live out its appointed time, and choose its own departure? >> The bad news: Spooky did *not* come home today. He went out yesterday >> during a break in the rain - that surprised me because he never goes [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > ailing. Or maybe he will get a true home for his last days better than > the one he had. And maybe YOU are an idiot trying to make trouble! It's plain to see the summer invasion of trolls is upon us. You've never posted here before, and Ted has been telling about his brood of rescued cats for some time, now. (P-L-O-N-K!) >>> The bad news: Spooky did *not* come home today. He went out yesterday >>> during a break in the rain - that surprised me because he never goes [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > before, and Ted has been telling about his brood of rescued cats for > some time, now. (P-L-O-N-K!) Nope the only idiots here seem to be you, and Ted. If he had a brain - and wasn't such a cheap MF'er it seems - he would do the right thing and let Spooky go with dignity. Remember Frank and Betty? See that's what is supposed to be done by "caring" cat owners. ab - plonk all you want - we'll make more - the truth and common sense will not be contained by the actions of rose-colored glasses wearing people who think they are living in a "brady bunch" world. > Nope the only idiots here seem to be you, and Ted. If he had a brain - > and wasn't such a cheap MF'er it seems - he would do the right thing and > let Spooky go with dignity. Remember Frank and Betty? See that's what > is supposed to be done by "caring" cat owners. I know better than to reply to you, but since you use Frank as an example I guess I have to. I would much have preferred if he had gone naturally in his sleep, even if he'd hidden away when he knew his time was up, than watch as the vet gave him a sedative that made him vomit and then watch her give him a lethal dose while he lolled lifelessly on the table. There was nothing dignified about that. Sometimes old pets, like old people, just die, without suffering or pain. It would make me happy if that had happened with Frank and Nikki, even if they had gone off to die in peace, away from me. As long as they hadn't suffered. SignatureMarina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki. Stories and pics at http://koti.welho.com/mkurten/ Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki > > Nope the only idiots here seem to be you, and Ted. If he had a brain - > > and wasn't such a cheap MF'er it seems - he would do the right thing and [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > -- > Marina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki. ((((((Marina)))))))) > I know better than to reply to you, but since you use Frank as an example > I guess I have to. I would much have preferred if he had gone naturally in [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > happened with Frank and Nikki, even if they had gone off to die in peace, > away from me. As long as they hadn't suffered. I don't want to continue a flame fest here, but one of the things you said sparked an observation on my part. I think, for me, it would be the not knowing that would bother me. I guess that comes from being reared by a mother who always stressed all the bad things that could happen to me (whe was a *VERY* negative person). I couldn't just imagine that they had just gone off and quietly went to sleep somewhere and then died in their sleep. We had to have Percy put down, and it was horribly hard to do to watch him go, but we took consolation in being able to hug, pet, and quietly talk to him while he went (and we were lucky that he didn't have any reactions to the meds except to quietly go to sleep). If any of my cats wandered off I would be imagining the most horrible things (being run over by a car but *not* killed instantly thus suffering horribly all alone and feeling lost and rejected, being picked up and tortured by some sicko and wondering where her Mommy was and why she didn't come to help her, being sick in convulsions and feeling abandoned by the person she gave all her love and her life to, etc.). I don't think I'd ever be able to sleep again. I think this is why I *have* to keep mine in my sight at all times - my imagination and empathy levels are just too active. Anyway, I think you're right, we should end this thread now (or start a troll-b-que), we'll never all agree on this issue. It *was* tactless to bring someone else's RB cats into the discussion. SignatureHugs, CatNipped See all my masters at: http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped/ >> I would be too especially since you were dumb enough to let him out - >> maybe you should have had a brain and kept him inside since he was [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Ted has been telling about his brood of rescued cats for some time, now. > (P-L-O-N-K!) Is there some way to plonk it permanently, like, by IP address or something? Because it just keeps changing its "name" and coming back, making it difficult to avoid. > >> I would be too especially since you were dumb enough to let him out - > >> maybe you should have had a brain and kept him inside since he was [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Because it just keeps changing its "name" and coming back, making it > difficult to avoid. I'm not sure. Is there some way to make idiots like you take their cats to the vet when they have been sick all night and all day, rather than asking for "purrs that this will not be necessary?" I'm so glad Snowball came home! I'm sorry about Spooky. Purrs that he comes back to you. Please ignore the troll I just plonked. It sounds as though you really have your hands full with those kittens. Good luck with them! Joy > The good news: Snowball came home this afternoon. It's not unusual > for her to disappear for weeks at a time, but never two days short of [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > powers my satellite transciever/modem and router which took my server > off line for a while. > I'm so glad Snowball came home! > > I'm sorry about Spooky. Purrs that he comes back to you. Please ignore > the > troll I just plonked. So, to suggest that Ted should have kept an old, ill cat inside where he is safe is to be a troll? Idiot. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> I'm so glad Snowball came home! >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Idiot. Well, you don't read very well, or don't pay attention: he was keeping himself inside - he stayed inside until he felt it was his time; until he *wanted* to go outside. SignatureT.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu) SPAM filter: Messages to this address *must* contain "T.E.D." somewhere in the body or they will be automatically rejected. >> I'm so glad Snowball came home! >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Idiot. Ted obviously has far more respect for the animal, then cybercat. Cybercat seems very immature with the nature of cats. They are not little people, you are not six years old, Cybercat! Clangnuts >I'm so glad Snowball came home! > >I'm sorry about Spooky. Purrs that he comes back to you. Please ignore the >troll I just plonked. Some people make religious dogma out of the strangest beliefs, and like most religious fanatics, don't know when to keep their mouths shut and their hands off the keyboard. Or don't care about the effects of their rants. Fortunately, I'm an old usenet hand and always wear my asbestos underwear when on line - I'm immune to flames. SignatureT.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu) >> I'm so glad Snowball came home! >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > effects of their rants. Fortunately, I'm an old usenet hand and > always wear my asbestos underwear when on line - I'm immune to flames. But on RPCA we don't like to encourage trolls and flamers, no matter how much fun it may be to poke them with a stick :) Jill >>> I'm so glad Snowball came home! >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Jill But they make such tempting and easy targets >>>> I'm so glad Snowball came home! >>>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> > But they make such tempting and easy targets Also good fodder for recipes! :) Jill >>>> I'm so glad Snowball came home! >>>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> >But they make such tempting and easy targets Yeah, but I generally add them to the killfile after a couple of rounds and let the twit filter deal with them from there. SignatureT.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu) SPAM filter: Messages to this address *must* contain "T.E.D." somewhere in the body or they will be automatically rejected. > Speaking of Siegfried, he's also showing signs of being a very > demanding computer room cat - he's walking all over my hands, meowing, > and licking my fingers right now ... and purring loudly enough to be > heard across the room. ... A bit of petting did not calm him down for > more than a minute or so. That kitten is going to be a problem. > Correction: he *is* a problem. Well, you DID name him "Siegfried"! He's just living up to his name (although one can hope he's a bit brighter than Wagner's hero). >> Speaking of Siegfried, he's also showing signs of being a very >> demanding computer room cat - he's walking all over my hands, meowing, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >his name (although one can hope he's a bit brighter than >Wagner's hero). He's stupid enough to want to go outside long before he's big enough for it to be reasonably safe. But as soon as he gets onto the top back step (with me sitting there, of course), he decides he really doesn't want all that space. The back door used to close by itself - before the storm door blew away - but now it has to be actively closed because the exhaust fan will pull anything less than tightly closed open again - that's how the kittens can get out ... that and out the front when I prop the door and storm door open to bring in groceries, but none of them as gone more than three feet onto the pourch (then entire huge patio is covered so it's more like inside than the back where the transition is abrupt). SignatureT.E.D. (tdavis@gearbox.maem.umr.edu) SPAM filter: Messages to this address *must* contain "T.E.D." somewhere in the body or they will be automatically rejected. |
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