Home | Contact Us | FAQ | Search & Site Map | Link to Us
Sign In | Join | Other 45 Sites in Network
Home
Discussion GroupsGeneral TopicsCat AnecdotesHealth and BehaviorRescue
CatKB.com
Contact UsLink To UsSearch & Site Map

Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / June 2006

Tip: Looking for answers? Try searching our database.

Ping Kilikini

Thread view: 
Enable EMail Alerts  Start New Thread
Thread rating: 
Tanada - 19 Jun 2006 00:25 GMT
I hope you don't mind, but I posted the email about your problem on
alt.support.cancer a group that has been great about giving me support
and information.  I'm hoping that they have some sort of idea that can
help you.  Have you tried medicaid?  If you don't receive Social
Security, medicare is not going to do much for you.

The owners are purring hard for you and I'm thinking healthy thoughts
and wishes for you to get the treatment you need fastest and that you
are in better shape than you think.

Pam S. who hopes that Kili will check out alt.support.cancer and
alt.support.breastcancer out
Christina Websell - 19 Jun 2006 01:25 GMT
>I hope you don't mind, but I posted the email about your problem on
>alt.support.cancer a group that has been great about giving me support and
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Pam S. who hopes that Kili will check out alt.support.cancer and
> alt.support.breastcancer out

I am so appalled by kili's situation.  It's absolutely disgusting that there
are doctors out there who could help her but choose not to because she
cannot pay "up front."
They deserve to rot in hell.
Choosing to be a doctor means you want to help sick people. doesn't it? Not
to line your pocket so you can have have posh houses and cars.
Ahhh, don't start me on this.

Tweed
badwilson - 19 Jun 2006 04:22 GMT
>> I hope you don't mind, but I posted the email about your problem on
>> alt.support.cancer a group that has been great about giving me
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> Tweed

I don't think it's up to the doctors themselves.  They are employed by
the hospital, after all.  And if it's the hospital's policy to demand
money up front for surgeries, there's probably not much an individual
doctor can do about that.  It's not like they could just perform the
surgery in their own home in the evening or something.
The whole situation sickens me.  From what I gather, Kili doesn't
qualify for Medicare because she doesn't have children.  That is
disgusting.  So you have to be a breeding pod in order to get lifesaving
breast cancer sugery?!?!  The state of affairs in the US is frightening.
Truly.  You couldn't *pay* me to live there.
Signature

Britta
Purring is an automatic safety valve device for dealing with happiness
overflow.
Check out pictures of Vino at:
http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album

sriddles@aol.com - 19 Jun 2006 05:25 GMT
Kili, I am so sorry and want you to know that along with everyone else,
I am sending prayers on your behalf. Prayers for your recovery and also
to get through the red tape that you can start treatment and healing
soon

Sherry
MaryL - 19 Jun 2006 07:32 GMT
>>> I hope you don't mind, but I posted the email about your problem on
>>> alt.support.cancer a group that has been great about giving me
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
> sugery?!?!  The state of affairs in the US is frightening. Truly.  You
> couldn't *pay* me to live there.

I also gind the medical situation in the U.S. frightening, although I am
fortunate to have good insurance.  Many people seem to think that everyone
should be responsible for his or her insurance, but those people always seem
to be the ones who can *afford* it.  We have many people who are the working
poor -- they work at full-time jobs (often very arduous) but are not covered
by insurance.  Employers often keep employees just slightly *under*
"full-time specifically so that benefits do not have to be paid.  More and
more people who are not "poor" are now beginnign to see these problems as
more employers either drop insurance coverage or raise the premiums that
employees must pay.  There are also those who cannot get insurance because
companies generally will not cover pre-existing conditions.  It is truly
frightening -- and should be a national scandal -- to think of the number of
people who are unable to get insurance.  At the same time, I think there is
some confusion in this thread.  There is a difference between Medicare and
Medicaid.  I believe *children* of a deceased parent (and the surviving
spouse, under certain circumstances) are eligible for Medicare.  Other than
that, Medicare is based on a person's age and work history.  Medicare
basically applies to those over age 65 and for some very limited medical
care for others (I believe permanent kidney failure is covered).  Medicaid
and other forms of public assistance are means-tested, and people below
certain income levels are eligible for Medicaid.  The combination leaves a
large number of people completely without medical resources.  It is a
hard-hearted policy, and I think it is unforgivable.

MaryL
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 19 Jun 2006 19:27 GMT
> I also find the medical situation in the U.S. frightening, although I am
> fortunate to have good insurance.  Many people seem to think that everyone
> should be responsible for his or her insurance, but those people always seem
> to be the ones who can *afford* it.

I think John Kerry had the right idea - simply provide the
same kind of coverage for tax-paying citizens as the
government does to members of Congress!  (After all, WE'RE
the ones who pay for all those benefits, plus their inflated
salaries.)
MaryL - 19 Jun 2006 21:04 GMT
>> I also find the medical situation in the U.S. frightening, although I am
>> fortunate to have good insurance.  Many people seem to think that
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Congress!  (After all, WE'RE the ones who pay for all those benefits, plus
> their inflated salaries.)

Actually, the superior type of care provided for Congress (and the President
and Supreme Court) would probably bankrupt the system if it were provided to
everyone.  Instead, I think medical care should be provided for everyone,
and the "free" care provided to those officials should be reduced to conform
to whatever is provided to the rest of the public.  I really think it's a
shame that the work done by Hillary Rodham Clinton early in the first
Clinton administration was shot down instead of being worked on and
modified.  I blame both "politics" (re: automatic Republican rejection) and
also the Clintons for not providing adequate input and early information to
the public.  There were obvious problems that surfaced as the proposals were
unveiled, but those documents should have been used as a springboard for a
better-developed plan instead of rejecting everything.  Of course, the
debate over national health insurance has been going on as long as I can
remember.

MaryL
CatNipped - 19 Jun 2006 21:17 GMT
>>> I also find the medical situation in the U.S. frightening, although I am
>>> fortunate to have good insurance.  Many people seem to think that
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> provided to everyone.  Instead, I think medical care should be provided
> for everyone,

The heck with what healthcare Congress is provided, let's just use some of
our defense budget!  We're already the most lethal country in the world
(nobody else could possibly overcome our military might) and we have the
capability of destroying the world a hundred times over.  If we took just a
*fraction* of those *billions* of dollars to save lives rather than research
how to destory them, we wouldn't *have* a healthcare problem in the US!  But
as long as US citizens buy into the scare tactics of our government, this
sad state of affairs is doomed to go on.

Hugs,

CatNipped

> and the "free" care provided to those officials should be reduced to
> conform to whatever is provided to the rest of the public.  I really think
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> MaryL
MaryL - 19 Jun 2006 21:40 GMT
>>>> I also find the medical situation in the U.S. frightening, although I
>>>> am fortunate to have good insurance.  Many people seem to think that
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
> CatNipped

Good point!  And what about the enormous deficit that has been racked up in
the last few years -- a deficit that will only continue to increase (with
interest, of course) if we continue on the present course??

MaryL
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 20 Jun 2006 01:47 GMT
"CatNipped" <lcrews@houston.rr.com> wrote:

> The heck with what healthcare Congress is provided, let's just use some of
> our defense budget!  We're already the most lethal country in the world
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> research how to destory them, we wouldn't *have* a healthcare problem in
> the US!

And yet, with all those billions in the defense budget, many soldiers
in Iraq don't even have adequate equipment, or enough of other living
essentials such as soap and even FOOD. Where in god's name is that money
going??

Joyce
CatNipped - 20 Jun 2006 01:58 GMT
> "CatNipped" <lcrews@houston.rr.com> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> Joyce

Where most of our tax dollars go - into some crooked politician's pocket or
a crooked contractor charging the government $5,000 for a screw driver!

Signature

Hugs,

CatNipped

See all my masters at:  http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped/

EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 22 Jun 2006 06:04 GMT
> "CatNipped" <lcrews@houston.rr.com> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> essentials such as soap and even FOOD. Where in god's name is that money
> going??

You have to ASK?  (Remember the $300 toilet seats?)

> Joyce
Tanada - 22 Jun 2006 21:13 GMT
>> "CatNipped" <lcrews@houston.rr.com> wrote:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> You have to ASK?  (Remember the $300 toilet seats?)

Ok, I'm getting PO'd here.  Do you know that most of the defense budget
goes to programs other than defense?  Remember that bovine methane gas
study?  Congress financed that out of department of defense moneys.
Defense money covers Active Duty, National Guard, and Reserve Units, and
is still removed by congress to cover their pet pork projects.  Defense
funds covers emergency relief efforts (can you say Katrina and Rita?  I
knew you could).  State and local governments do not re-imburse the
military for any of those expenses.

Military medevac units transfer critically injured and ill patients to
trauma units all over the world.  Most of the wounded and injured that
Rob's units transferred to hospital care were CIVILIANS the us army does
not charge countries or individuals for those services.

Defense money often pays for diplomatic programs in other countries.
When Rob was stationed in Europe, Defense money covered a good portion
of the American presence in the peaceful negotiated split of the
Slovenian nations.  He knew this as his unit provided a lot of the
transportation for diplomats, their staff, and their security teams from
one place to another as needed.  Military money paid for the expenses of
both the military units providing services and some of the civilian
staff involved.

And do you know what military personnel receive for all those years of
16-20 hour days?  Rob receives $1750 a month combined retirement and
disability payment for a cancer he probably received in Desert Storm.
He gets told that he shouldn't even receive that much.  He gets called a
baby killer, torturer, and rapist.  He is told that the money that he
should have received in equipment and wages is being wasted on $300
toilet seats.  He is told that the medical program that barely covers
his family is redundant and that the government shouldn't have to cover
his insurance, let alone his family's.  He has been spit at,
propositioned, threatened, and called things that should have got
someone's mouth washed out with soap.

I get to read people in her reviling the very military that makes it
possible for people to post some of the nastiest sentiments I've ever
read about a country of profession.  If someone were to post such stuff
about, say Finland (Sorry Marina and Christina) everyone in here,
including me, would be up in arms.  But because I agree with Rob for his
reasons for going into the military, I mark the meanness as read, and
try to ignore the hateful things said about my country, president, and
my husband's profession.

I agree that America is far from perfect and that there are times when I
wonder why I voted for George W. Bush.  (I don't wonder why I didn't
vote for A. Gore).  Sometimes I think that living in another country
would be wonderful.  At least I wouldn't have to read this crap.

I love all you people, but I HAVE HAD ENOUGH.  I need a vacation from
your hateful spite.  I will come back when I have calmed down enough to
decide whether to apologize to you or not.  Right now I feel as though
Rob and I, especially ROB deserves the apology.

Pam S.
CatNipped - 22 Jun 2006 21:49 GMT
>>> "CatNipped" <lcrews@houston.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 67 lines]
>
> Pam S.

Pam, the very fact that we're spending billions of dollars on defense and
soldiers are *not* equipped as they should be, and veterans are *not* taken
care of as they should be, is exactly what pisses me off so bad.  I have
*NO* problem with the men and women who serve our country, I have *NEVER*
been disrespectful of soldiers who have put themselves in harms way for my
freedoms (and I lived through Viet Nam and succored friends who came back
broken and battered in both body and spirit and reputation from that
debacle).

The fact that George Bush and his cronies lied to get us to go to war with
Iraq, and *WAY* too many young men and women have died there (the latest
tortured and beheaded) and have to construct their own, inadequate
shielding, do not  have a proper diet, etc. - well, that makes me *VERY*
angry... but not at *THEM*.

I am sorry if anything I wrote upset you.  I have only the greatest respect
for our soldiers, and I have the greatest love for my country, but I have
lost all respect or trust in the people currently governing it.

Signature

Hugs,

CatNipped

See all my masters at:  http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped/

jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 20 Jun 2006 01:42 GMT
> Medicaid and other forms of public assistance are means-tested, and
> people below certain income levels are eligible for Medicaid.  The
> combination leaves a large number of people completely without medical
> resources.  It is a hard-hearted policy, and I think it is unforgivable.

There are a huge number of people who fall through the cracks - they
don't have enough money to afford individual insurance, but they're too
"wealthy" for public assistance (ie, Medicaid). The poverty line for
most public benefits in this country is so low that it leaves many
people who actually do need assistance out in the cold.

The Clintons took a stab at addressing the issue, and then buckled under
almost immediately to the insurance lobby (wimps!). The health care
problem will never be resolved as long as we have to appease the insurance
industry. In my opinion, something as essential as health care should not
be a for-profit enterprise.

Joyce
Enfilade - 21 Jun 2006 01:08 GMT
> There are a huge number of people who fall through the cracks - they
> don't have enough money to afford individual insurance, but they're too
> "wealthy" for public assistance (ie, Medicaid). The poverty line for
> most public benefits in this country is so low that it leaves many
> people who actually do need assistance out in the cold.

I have friends in the US who are engaged, but not married, and the odds
are, they may never actually be married because...

While each is single, as two single people they qualify under a state
plan for insurance for low-income people.  They are able to get
assistance with medical care, drugs and discounts for gym membership.

HOWEVER, if they were to get married, the household maximum-income is
considerably less than the maximum-income for two single people.  It's
as though it were assumed that if they married, they would have kids
and one of them would not work, or work part time, while caring for the
kids.

As a couple, their current incomes added together exceed the maximum
income for a household.  Yet it still does not allow them to purchase
individual insurance.  Their jobs do not offer either of them any
health benefits.

And since she has some ongoing medical conditions, the only way she can
afford care is if they stay "single" and share an apartment.

She had to neglect her health for several years before she got engaged
for simple lack of money to treat her condition, and it showed.  Since
she's been on this assistance plan, she's a lot more energetic, more
healthy and has lost about 60 lbs.

--Fil
kilikini - 21 Jun 2006 08:53 GMT
> > There are a huge number of people who fall through the cracks - they
> > don't have enough money to afford individual insurance, but they're too
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> and one of them would not work, or work part time, while caring for the
> kids.

Since, I'm married, under 40, with no dependents and my husband makes too
much money at lets, say, well under $20,000, it was so hard to get funding
for me.  My husband makes too much money.  Yeah, okay.  Anyway, the point
is, we've considered getting a divorce so that I could get help.  It was
going to be a last option, but we discussed it.

Thank God I found a private agency that gets funding through rich
individuals who are willing to help.  The surgeon and hospital get paid
through this, so no further money comes out of Americans pockets.

It's a win-win situation.

kili
Enfilade - 21 Jun 2006 14:49 GMT
> Since, I'm married, under 40, with no dependents and my husband makes too
> much money at lets, say, well under $20,000, it was so hard to get funding
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> kili

I am so glad that things are turning around and I will keep my kitties
purring for you.

While I believe in public support for kids (ie, even though I don't
have kids, I'm glad to pay taxes to help fund education), I do think
it's ridiculous that single people seem to get more than families
without children.  

--Fil
kilikini - 21 Jun 2006 15:21 GMT
> > Since, I'm married, under 40, with no dependents and my husband makes too
> > much money at lets, say, well under $20,000, it was so hard to get funding
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> --Fil

I absolutely agree, Fil.  If nothing else, I'm thinking of taking my case to
the media in the hopes that we can change things.

kili
MaryL - 21 Jun 2006 16:23 GMT
>> Since, I'm married, under 40, with no dependents and my husband makes too
>> much money at lets, say, well under $20,000, it was so hard to get
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> --Fil

Part of this is based on the fact that it does *not* cost a married couple
twice as much as a single person.  That is, a single person without children
will pay approximately as much for a home as a married couple without
children because they obviously do not need to pay for two homes.  Likewise,
food costs more for a married couple than for a single person but not a
great deal more because certain ingredients need to be purchased at about
the same amounts.  So, it's really difficult to determine "equity" when it
comes to tax burdens and other costs, assuming that none of the parties have
children.  Obviously, this would not include expenses such as medical care
because that it all done on an individual basis.

MaryL
Enfilade - 22 Jun 2006 00:35 GMT
> Part of this is based on the fact that it does *not* cost a married couple
> twice as much as a single person.  That is, a single person without children
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> great deal more because certain ingredients need to be purchased at about
> the same amounts.

I see your point, but I also see some flaws in it.  I think it depends
on prior standards of living.

If you're a single person and you are living in a bachelor apartment
(basically using your living room as a bedroom, with a kitchen and a
bathroom ) or a rooming house (semi-private bedroom, shared bathroom
and kitchen) you can rent as low as $350/month, whereas a
single-bedroom apartment is twice that in this town.  There are a lot
of families who will rent out rooms to singles, but won't allow
couples.  And since they're not really "landlords"--they're letting you
share their home for money as opposed to giving you a property of your
own to rent--the laws are hazy and they can be much more restrictive
than rental companies.

While a house is the same price no matter how many live in it, rentals
can be different.  You can't fit two people into a rooming house room
very easily, even if it is allowed.  You're also assuming the people,
when single, were paying for homes instead of couch-surfing or some
such.

And you can live even cheaper than that--as a single person, I was able
to couch-surf at friends' houses for weeks/months and didn't have a
fixed address or pay rent for the months in between school and military
service.  That changed when I became part of a couple and felt the duty
to help provide a permanent home and fixed address for my partner, and
we were paying rent 12 months of the year on an apartment instead of me
rooming for 8 months, barracking free for 3 and couch-surfing for 1.

Once I found myself in a "family," I had expensive obligations I didn't
have when it was just me.

I also felt bad about feeding him the stuff I scadged to eat when I was
single, like the landlord's leftovers or old field rations from the
base.  So I felt obliged to cough up my share of purchasing food.

I guess I could've said no, but I don't know how well he would have
adapted to my nomadic lifestyle.  I also don't know anyone who would
have let BOTH of us live in their house for under $600/month, which is
what we paid in rent on our first apartment (prior to that, I'd been
paying no more than $400 at the maximum, and often, nothing.  I'd never
signed a lease and never rented from a company.  And prior to that,
he'd been living with his family as a dependent, for "free" [ie, free
to him, cost borne by his parents along with the cost of his two
brothers].)

--Fil
Cheryl Perkins - 22 Jun 2006 00:56 GMT
<snip>
> And you can live even cheaper than that--as a single person, I was able
> to couch-surf at friends' houses for weeks/months and didn't have a
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> we were paying rent 12 months of the year on an apartment instead of me
> rooming for 8 months, barracking free for 3 and couch-surfing for 1.

> Once I found myself in a "family," I had expensive obligations I didn't
> have when it was just me.

As a single person, I quickly tired of the shared apartments and never
couch-surfed, so from a comparatively early stage of living on my own, I
was paying more than couples or accomodation-sharing singles for similar
places to live. The extra cost is worth it to me, but it does mean that my
cost of living for housing is much higher than it would be if I were half
of a couple or even found a room-mate.

> I also felt bad about feeding him the stuff I scadged to eat when I was
> single, like the landlord's leftovers or old field rations from the
> base.  So I felt obliged to cough up my share of purchasing food.

I spend a lot on food, but I don't think that cost would be reduced if I
shared. I'm good and experienced at cooking at least 4 servings of
everything and freezing three, and very rarely bother with over-priced
single servings. If anything, I'd spend more on food as part of a couple
because there'd be two people's ideas of a favourite treat to consider!

> I guess I could've said no, but I don't know how well he would have
> adapted to my nomadic lifestyle.  I also don't know anyone who would
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> to him, cost borne by his parents along with the cost of his two
> brothers].)

But not all singles have either your or your DH's pre-marriage lifestyle!

Your prices are about what I'd expect here, though. A young couple I know
who are just starting off are living in rooms in shared houses, and trying
to find a small cheap apartment to share. Shared rooms run $350-400/month
each, and they're hoping for an apartment in the $600 range, including
utilities, but aren't having much luck finding anything that's half decent
in an area with transportation for their education and work.

Signature

Cheryl

MaryL - 22 Jun 2006 03:36 GMT
>> Part of this is based on the fact that it does *not* cost a married
>> couple
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> I see your point, but I also see some flaws in it.  I think it depends
> on prior standards of living.

Yes, but that's whay it reall is difficult to determine "equity" -- that is,
we do not live alike (single or married).  Much probably also depends on
age -- students will have a different life style than retired people (again,
regardless of marital status), yet I also know young newlyweds who expect to
move into homes of the same standard as their parents who have married for
many years.  I never lived in the same type of arrangements as you
described, and couples who talk about not getting married because of the
"marriage tax" sometimes are *already* sharing a home.

Not an easy cost to analyze...

MaryL
polonca12000 - 21 Jun 2006 21:42 GMT
<snip>
> Thank God I found a private agency that gets funding through rich
> individuals who are willing to help.  The surgeon and hospital get paid
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> kili

I do wish you the very best, kili!
We continue to purr for you and send best wishes and hugs,
Polonca and Soncek
jmcquown - 20 Jun 2006 23:33 GMT
>>>> I hope you don't mind, but I posted the email about your problem on
>>>> alt.support.cancer a group that has been great about giving me
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>
> MaryL

Yes, except the Medicaid system is very unreasonable (and varies from state
to state even though the program receives federal funding).  I had emergency
surgery back in 1993, the very day I was supposed to start a new job and
would have been *fully* covered by insurance from day one if I hadn't been
rushed off the the hospital instead.  The woman in the hospital social
services office essentially told me later that because I didn't have
children I may as well not bother applying for Medicaid assistance.  It was
her experience they would turn me down flat.

Jill
alex - 20 Jun 2006 23:51 GMT
> Yes, except the Medicaid system is very unreasonable (and varies from
> state
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Jill

Untrue, I am a breast cancer survivor and have worked in hospitals for over
30 years.  From what I can tell the hospital asked how Kilki would satisfy
her bill.  She was asked for a deposit which she didn't have she was
assigned a social worker,  I don't think she has filed the paper work.  If
her application is complete but not approved often the hospital will provide
services since they can bill retro-actively.
http://ahca.myflorida.com/Medicaid/pdffiles/sos.pdf

People do have to spend down there assets but Kilki doesn't have any.  But
you do have to provide information.  The quickest way is to go to the local
office and file in person.  Call her state representative to assist her.

Kilkini needs to have the lump out (it may not even be cancer) and she needs
to do take the proper steps ASAP.
kilikini - 21 Jun 2006 08:50 GMT
> > Yes, except the Medicaid system is very unreasonable (and varies from
> > state
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> Kilkini needs to have the lump out (it may not even be cancer) and she needs
> to do take the proper steps ASAP.

I was never assigned a social worker, though.  *I* found a social service
agency that's in the process of helping me (and I've sent off all the
paperwork), but I also found funding through a private organization called
Healthy Women Today that's funding the entire thing.  I went to another
surgical consult on Monday (I like this surgeon better, anyway) and they're
pushing up my surgery.  It's supposed to be Friday, but the funding may not
come through in time.  I'm expecting a phone call from a hospital today to
tell me where I have to go and when.

I'm going to have two lumps removed under local anesthsia.  They will then
send the lumps to the pathologist for the biopsy.  If cancer is present,
I'll have to come back for a second surgery to remove the lymph nodes, which
will then be tested.  If they're clean, I'm good.  If they're not, I have to
decide upon radiation or a mastectomy.

The important thing is that the surgery is covered AND I have filed for
disability/medicaid for any future problems.

It's been such a long ordeal, but there's finally light at the end of the
tunnel.

kili
badwilson - 21 Jun 2006 09:14 GMT
>>> Yes, except the Medicaid system is very unreasonable (and varies
>>> from state
[quoted text clipped - 50 lines]
>
> kili

I am *so* glad to hear this, Kili.  I hope your surgery can happen as
soon as possible and that it even turns out that your lumps were benign.
Hugs and purrs,
Signature

Britta
Purring is an automatic safety valve device for dealing with happiness
overflow.
Check out pictures of Vino at:
http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album

kilikini - 21 Jun 2006 10:04 GMT
> > It's been such a long ordeal, but there's finally light at the end of
> > the tunnel.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Check out pictures of Vino at:
> http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album

Thanks, Britta!

kili
Marina - 21 Jun 2006 09:16 GMT
> The important thing is that the surgery is covered AND I have filed for
> disability/medicaid for any future problems.
>
> It's been such a long ordeal, but there's finally light at the end of the
> tunnel.

I'm so glad that the funding is sorted now. Now you have to concentrate
on getting better. When I had my thyroid gland removed due to a
malignant tumour, a nurse at the hospital said the best thing patients
can do to fight cancer is to keep their spirits up. All the stress you
had to go through to find funding is so counterproductive and I'm so
sorry you had to jump through all those hoops. I hope it didn't
aggravate your condition, and we are sending loads of purrs that the
lumps turn out to be non-cancerous.

Signature

Marina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki.
Stories and pics at http://koti.welho.com/mkurten/
Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/
and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki

kilikini - 21 Jun 2006 10:04 GMT
> > The important thing is that the surgery is covered AND I have filed for
> > disability/medicaid for any future problems.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> aggravate your condition, and we are sending loads of purrs that the
> lumps turn out to be non-cancerous.

Thank you, Marina!

kili
Adrian A - 21 Jun 2006 10:34 GMT
>>> Yes, except the Medicaid system is very unreasonable (and varies
>>> from state
[quoted text clipped - 50 lines]
>
> kili

Purrs for the lumps to be benign.
Signature

Adrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera)
Cats leave pawprints on your heart.
http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk

kilikini - 21 Jun 2006 11:21 GMT
> > I'm going to have two lumps removed under local anesthsia.  They will
> > then send the lumps to the pathologist for the biopsy.  If cancer is
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Purrs for the lumps to be benign.
> --

Thank you, Adrian!  I appreciate it.  I'm absolutely terrified, though!

kili
Sandy - 22 Jun 2006 05:13 GMT
{{{{{{{{{{kili}}}}}}}}}}

Sandy
Tish Silberbauer - 21 Jun 2006 11:25 GMT
>I'm going to have two lumps removed under local anesthsia.  They will then
>send the lumps to the pathologist for the biopsy.  If cancer is present,
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
>kili

My Mum is a breast cancer survivor - she was diagnosed about this time
last year.  She ended up having a mastectomy on one side and is now
absolutely fine - free of cancer.  For various reasons, she could not
have had radiotherapy or chemotherapy, so she is very thankful that
surgery was sufficient.  It's funny, for some people cancer is a
life-changing event, but for my mother it was just one more thing to
deal with alongside her various other problems.  For her, I think this
was (and is) a very healthy attitude and approach to the cancer and
helped her to recover quickly and without complications.  
I guess I'm trying to say two things; firstly that breast cancer
treatment these days seems to have a high rate of success if they
catch it before it escapes elsewhere, and secondly that adopting a
positive attitude that suits your personality and outlook can be the
best medicine, even if what you're doing is different from what
everyone else is doing.

Tish
kilikini - 21 Jun 2006 12:45 GMT
> >I'm going to have two lumps removed under local anesthsia.  They will then
> >send the lumps to the pathologist for the biopsy.  If cancer is present,
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>
> Tish

Thanks, Tish.  I love hearing about survivors!

kili
Karen - 21 Jun 2006 16:00 GMT
> > >I'm going to have two lumps removed under local anesthsia.  They will
> then
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
>
> kili

My best friends mother had a double mastecotomy over 40 years ago and has
remained cancer free. It CAN happen!!!!
Irulan - 21 Jun 2006 14:55 GMT
Kili, I am so glad to hear this. Hang in there, baby. There is a light at
the end of the tunnel, long though it may seem. We are constantly purring
and praying for you.

Lily & her mama

Signature

Irulan
from the stars we come
to the stars we return
from now until the end of time

>
>> > Yes, except the Medicaid system is very unreasonable (and varies from
[quoted text clipped - 61 lines]
>
> kili
kilikini - 21 Jun 2006 15:44 GMT
> Kili, I am so glad to hear this. Hang in there, baby. There is a light at
> the end of the tunnel, long though it may seem. We are constantly purring
> and praying for you.
>
> Lily & her mama

Thank you!

kili
Karen - 21 Jun 2006 15:59 GMT
Oh my god I am so happy. I just can't even post I've been so worried for you
and felt so helpless. I'm just crying and will continue to pray that a
lumpectomy does the job for you. Bless you Kili.

> > > Yes, except the Medicaid system is very unreasonable (and varies from
> > > state
[quoted text clipped - 52 lines]
>
> kili
kilikini - 21 Jun 2006 16:10 GMT
> Oh my god I am so happy. I just can't even post I've been so worried for you
> and felt so helpless. I'm just crying and will continue to pray that a
> lumpectomy does the job for you. Bless you Kili.

I'm not giving up yet; I've contacted the Montel Williams show and Oprah.
I'm going to be the breast cancer advocate.  I'm a fighter and now I have a
reason to fight.  I'll get the laws changed so this doesn't happen to anyone
else.  Watch me.

kili
Rhonda - 21 Jun 2006 17:49 GMT
>>Oh my god I am so happy. I just can't even post I've been so worried for
>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> reason to fight.  I'll get the laws changed so this doesn't happen to anyone
> else.  Watch me.

You go, girl!

Good for you, we need people like you to change things.

Tell me what day you're going to be on Oprah. I'll be parked in front of
the screen with popcorn, yelling my head off.

You were so sick on Monday I was worried about you and the appt, I'm so
glad to read your post today.

We still have everything crossed for you  -- cats, rabbits, and humans.
In fact, the cats want to know when they can uncross because they have
to go to the bathroom.

Rhonda
kilikini - 21 Jun 2006 22:07 GMT
> >>Oh my god I am so happy. I just can't even post I've been so worried for
> >>
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
> Rhonda

Thanks, Rhonda.  I still have to hear back from Oprah, but I'll keep
contacting them until she gets people like me on.  Something's got to
change.

kili
Jane - 22 Jun 2006 13:08 GMT
>Thanks, Rhonda.  I still have to hear back from Oprah, but I'll keep
>contacting them until she gets people like me on.  Something's got to
>change.
>
>kili

Don't forget your local and national news agencies, too.  And PBS.

Jane
- owned and operated by Princess Rita
CatNipped - 21 Jun 2006 16:29 GMT
Purrs coming that everything turns out well.

*NEVER* stop fighting!  Your state of mind has *ENORMOUS* effect on the
outcome.  25 years ago I had a friend who first had one breast removed, then
the other, then a hysterectomy, then a mass in her knee removed as cancer
progressed throughout her body.  This was back when cancer treatment was
still fairly primitive.  She had chemotherapy and radiation therapy and she
was *HORRIBLY* sick for a very long time.  But she had four small children
and would tell me, "I *REFUSE* to die and miss my children's graduations and
weddings!".  She is still alive and well today!

Signature

Hugs,

CatNipped

See all my masters at:  http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped/

>> > Yes, except the Medicaid system is very unreasonable (and varies from
>> > state
[quoted text clipped - 60 lines]
>
> kili
kilikini - 21 Jun 2006 23:18 GMT
> Purrs coming that everything turns out well.
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> CatNipped

Your mind definitely does have an enormous effect; I absolutely agree!  I,
to be honest, didn't feel like I had much to live for when this all came up,
but now I know I'm here to be a breast cancer advocate.  It is going to be
my job to make sure people in my situation get coverage.  This is going to
be my personal goal.  I will start a fund, I'll be the next Oprah.  Watch
me.  I'm going to make things move.  I don't want any other woman out there
to go through what I've gone through.  I feel so powerful right now, isn't
that weird?  :~)

kili
CatNipped - 22 Jun 2006 00:14 GMT
>> Purrs coming that everything turns out well.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>
> kili

*GOOD FOR  YOU*!!!  Gawd knows we need somebody to shine a bright light on
our health care system in this country, I wish you all the success in the
world with that *AND* with recovering!

Signature

Hugs,

CatNipped

See all my masters at:  http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped/

Joy - 22 Jun 2006 01:58 GMT
> > Purrs coming that everything turns out well.
> >
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>
> kili

Not weird, but wonderful.  You go, girl!

Joy
polonca12000 - 22 Jun 2006 21:38 GMT
> Your mind definitely does have an enormous effect; I absolutely agree!  I,
> to be honest, didn't feel like I had much to live for when this all came up,
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> kili

Good for you, kili!
Lots and lots of health purrs and best wishes for success in your endeavors,
Polonca and Soncek
kilikini - 23 Jun 2006 10:06 GMT
> > Your mind definitely does have an enormous effect; I absolutely agree!  I,
> > to be honest, didn't feel like I had much to live for when this all came up,
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Lots and lots of health purrs and best wishes for success in your endeavors,
> Polonca and Soncek

Thanks!  I appreciate all purrs.  :~)

kili
polonca12000 - 21 Jun 2006 21:50 GMT
<snip>
> I'm going to have two lumps removed under local anesthsia.  They will then
> send the lumps to the pathologist for the biopsy.  If cancer is present,
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> kili

We are purring for you and are sending best wishes for the lumps to be
benign.
We are thinking of you, sending gentle hugs,
Polonca and Soncek
kilikini - 21 Jun 2006 23:15 GMT
> <snip>
> > I'm going to have two lumps removed under local anesthsia.  They will then
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> We are thinking of you, sending gentle hugs,
> Polonca and Soncek

Thank you!  My surgery has been moved up to Tuesday and I'm hoping for the
best!

kili
Tanada - 22 Jun 2006 04:20 GMT
> I'm going to have two lumps removed under local anesthsia.  They will then
> send the lumps to the pathologist for the biopsy.  If cancer is present,
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> It's been such a long ordeal, but there's finally light at the end of the
> tunnel.

<<<Kili>>>

I'm so glad that things are starting to work out.  Cancer is an
expensive disease and so hard to get financial help for.  I wish I could
have done more to help you out.

Pam S.
glsummer@neptunelink.com - 26 Jun 2006 18:05 GMT
>I was never assigned a social worker, though.  *I* found a social service
>agency that's in the process of helping me (and I've sent off all the
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
>kili

I am so glad to hear this, kili.  Purrs surrounding you for successful
surgery and treatment.

Ginger-lyn

Home Pages:
 http://www.moonsummer.com
 http://www.angelfire.com/folk/glsummer (homepage & cats)
 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~summer/index.htm (genealogy)
 http://www.movieanimals.bravehost.com/ (The Violence Against
                        Animals in Movies Website)
kilikini - 26 Jun 2006 18:13 GMT
> >I was never assigned a social worker, though.  *I* found a social service
> >agency that's in the process of helping me (and I've sent off all the
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
> Ginger-lyn

Thanks, Ginger-Lyn.  I actually go for my pre-op today and surgery is
scheduled for tomorrow.  I'm hoping for the best.

kili
Adrian A - 26 Jun 2006 18:19 GMT
>>> I was never assigned a social worker, though.  *I* found a social
>>> service agency that's in the process of helping me (and I've sent
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
>
> kili

Mega purrs for Tuesday.
Signature

Adrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera)
Cats leave pawprints on your heart.
http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk

kilikini - 26 Jun 2006 18:29 GMT
> >>> I was never assigned a social worker, though.  *I* found a social
> >>> service agency that's in the process of helping me (and I've sent
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
> Mega purrs for Tuesday.
> --

Thanks, Adrian.  I am so scared, I can't even tell you.  All purrs are
appreciated.

kili
polonca12000 - 26 Jun 2006 22:19 GMT
> Thanks, Ginger-Lyn.  I actually go for my pre-op today and surgery is
> scheduled for tomorrow.  I'm hoping for the best.
>
> kili

We will be thinking of you, kili, sending lots and lots of purrs, best
wishes and gentle hugs,
Polonca and Soncek
jmcquown - 21 Jun 2006 17:50 GMT
>> Yes, except the Medicaid system is very unreasonable (and varies from
>> state
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Untrue, I am a breast cancer survivor and have worked in hospitals
> for over 30 years.

I'm talking about Medicaid, not the hospital wanting a deposit.  I can state
unequivocally the hospital social worker told me "don't bother applying"
when she found out I'm not a single mother.

Jill
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 19 Jun 2006 19:23 GMT
> I don't think it's up to the doctors themselves.  They are employed by
> the hospital, after all.

Not exactly.  Unless they are still "residents", they are
"self-employed", and pay dues to be on a hospital's staff.
But of course they do not set the hospital's charges (which
include anesthesiology, use of operating and treatment
rooms, nursing care, etc.).  However, I think they set their
own fees for treatment, even if they are in a practice with
other doctors.  I know the partner of my gynecology surgeon
did not accept Medicare patients, but he did.   If they do,
they must accept whatever fee Medicare approves as their
entire fee, although if the "approved" amount is more than
Medicare actually pays, the patient is responsible for the
balance.

>  And if it's the hospital's policy to demand
> money up front for surgeries, there's probably not much an individual
> doctor can do about that.  It's not like they could just perform the
> surgery in their own home in the evening or something.
> The whole situation sickens me.  From what I gather, Kili doesn't
> qualify for Medicare because she doesn't have children.

I think you are confusing "Medicare" with "Medicaid".
"Medicare" is available to anyone over sixty-five who has
paid  Social Security taxes (which are taxes deducted from
their wages).  Although a doctor or hospital is not REQUIRED
to accept Medicare patients, most of them do, in which case
they bill Medicare, who in turn bills either the patient or
the patient's supplementary insurance provider (if there is
one).  SFAIK, there's no "up front" about it, in that case.

"Medicaid" on the other hand, is administered as part of the
state's "welfare" system, so the rules may vary from state
to state.  What is considered  "below poverty level" income
in one state may not qualify as such in another, and of
course other rules may differ, too.
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 19 Jun 2006 18:58 GMT
> I am so appalled by kili's situation.  It's absolutely disgusting that there
> are doctors out there who could help her but choose not to because she
> cannot pay "up front."
> They deserve to rot in hell.

> Choosing to be a doctor means you want to help sick people. doesn't it? Not
> to line your pocket so you can have have posh houses and cars.
> Ahhh, don't start me on this.

I'm inclined to agree, although in the U.S. I blame the
system as much as the doctors.  We are the only civlised
country in the world that does not provide some sort of
universal health care to all our citizens!

> Tweed
kilikini - 19 Jun 2006 09:45 GMT
> I hope you don't mind, but I posted the email about your problem on
> alt.support.cancer a group that has been great about giving me support
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Pam S. who hopes that Kili will check out alt.support.cancer and
> alt.support.breastcancer out

I do lurk and post on alt.support.cancer breast and people there have been
really helpful with telling me what to expect when I do eventually get
treatment.  It's a great group.

kili
Victor Martinez - 19 Jun 2006 12:41 GMT
> I do lurk and post on alt.support.cancer breast and people there have been
> really helpful with telling me what to expect when I do eventually get
> treatment.  It's a great group.

We're sending you lots and lots of healing purrs.

Signature

Victor M. Martinez
Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM)
Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov
Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com

 
Sign In
Join
My Latest Posts
My Monitored Threads
My Blog
My Photo Gallery
My Profile
My Homepage

Start New Thread
Enable EMail Alerts
Rate this Thread



©2008 Advenet LLC   Privacy Policy - Terms of Use
This website includes both content owned or controlled by Advenet as well as content owned or controlled by third parties.