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Pat - 13 Jun 2006 23:36 GMT
I used to go to Chinese movies when I lived in a big city that had a
Chinatown area. Most of them were "chop-socky" types but every once in a
while they'd show a modern Chinese romance flick (so-so) or something else,
and there was one in the "something else" category that I'd go see every
time it played, and if possible sit through showing after showing all day
and night. There was just something about this film that grabbed me and
wouldn't let go....

I'd forgotten all about it until recently when I saw Brokeback Mountain
(finally - what a superb film!) which of course has a Chinese director,
which got me thinking about Chinese movies in general, then I remembered
this old one. All I can remember right now is that it was released prior to
1976, it was a dramatized account of some important event or period in
Chinese history (old times, like maybe B.C. or earlier, I am not sure, but
definitely no later than about the 18th century A.D.), and it was simply
stupendous in scope and absolutely riveting. Lots of the color red in the
costumes and sets.

Now, I'd really, really, really love to see this film again, but first I
need to know what it's called. I know if I heard it or read it, I would know
it, but I cannot think of it.

I've joined some internet groups concerned with obscure films and asked for
help to recall this film title, without success.

Would deeply appreciate any help at all.

And speaking of films, more specifically films with cats in them, I know of
another: Secret Garden.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/6302148669

I haven't actually watched it but it was playing in a video store I
sometimes visit and I caught a glimpse of the cat in it. A blackie. Don't
know if anything bad happens to it. If anyone does know, please inform me.
Yowie - 14 Jun 2006 00:34 GMT
> I used to go to Chinese movies when I lived in a big city that had a
> Chinatown area. Most of them were "chop-socky" types but every once in a
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> I've joined some internet groups concerned with obscure films and asked for
> help to recall this film title, without success.

It might be "Hero". And even if it isn't, "Hero" is well worth watching. Its
beautiful.

Yowie
Pat - 14 Jun 2006 00:56 GMT
> It might be "Hero". And even if it isn't, "Hero" is well worth watching.
> Its
> beautiful.

That's not it. I'll check out Hero anyhow.

I know I would recognize the name of this film if I heard it again.
Helen Wheels - 14 Jun 2006 03:14 GMT
>>It might be "Hero". And even if it isn't, "Hero" is well worth watching.
>>Its
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> I know I would recognize the name of this film if I heard it again.

You might have already tried searching IMDB, but even if you don't know
tht title you can search by keywords, date range, language or plot
summary here:  http://imdb.com/list
Pat - 14 Jun 2006 03:16 GMT
> You might have already tried searching IMDB, but even if you don't know
> tht title you can search by keywords, date range, language or plot summary
> here:  http://imdb.com/list

I tried that. No results. There is a gap in their records of Chinese films.
Helen Wheels - 14 Jun 2006 05:28 GMT
>>You might have already tried searching IMDB, but even if you don't know
>>tht title you can search by keywords, date range, language or plot summary
>>here:  http://imdb.com/list
>
> I tried that. No results. There is a gap in their records of Chinese films.

Ah well, it was worth a try. You've probably tried all these already
too, but you could try entering Hong Kong or Taiwan as country of
origin, and Mandarin/Cantonese/other Chinese languages? (I once used to
go along to quite a few Cantonese movies with friends too - I loved the
costumes even if I had no idea what the stories were about!)
John F. Eldredge - 14 Jun 2006 04:55 GMT
>> It might be "Hero". And even if it isn't, "Hero" is well worth watching.
>> Its
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>I know I would recognize the name of this film if I heard it again.

One Chinese-language film that I would recommend is _Bian Lian_, also
known as the _King of Masks_.  It was in theatrical release in 1996,
in Mandarin with English subtitles.  The movie is about a street
performer in 1930s China, specializing in rapid changes from one silk
mask to another.  His wife and son died years earlier, and he decides
to adopt a son to train as his successor.  The little boy he adopts
turns out to be a girl, but they come to love each other as father and
daughter.

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SuzQ - 16 Jun 2006 12:35 GMT

"Yowie" <yowie9644.DIESPAMDIE@yahoo.com.au> wrote

> It might be "Hero". And even if it isn't, "Hero" is well worth watching.

> Its
> beautiful.

That's not it. I'll check out Hero anyhow.

I know I would recognize the name of this film if I heard it again.

========================================
I loved Hero (made in 2002 or 2003), it is a beautiful movie.
Suz&Spicey
Magic Mood Jeep© - 14 Jun 2006 03:49 GMT
> I used to go to Chinese movies when I lived in a big city that had a
> Chinatown area. Most of them were "chop-socky" types but every once
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
> Don't know if anything bad happens to it. If anyone does know, please
> inform me.

The only movie that comes to mind (that isn't a Jackie Chan, Jet Li, or
Bruce Lee) is The Last Emporor, but it was done in 1987.  It's about the
last emporor of China, and how the Japanese imprisoned him in the Forbidden
City when he abdicated.
http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0093389/
Pat - 14 Jun 2006 04:00 GMT
> The only movie that comes to mind (that isn't a Jackie Chan, Jet Li, or
> Bruce Lee) is The Last Emporor, but it was done in 1987.  It's about the
> last emporor of China, and how the Japanese imprisoned him in the
> Forbidden City when he abdicated.
> http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0093389/

It was 1975 and early '76 when I was watching the film in question. It had
to have been made not too long before that, because it was in color.
Stormin Mormon - 14 Jun 2006 13:54 GMT
Hmm. Calling Butt-back mountain a superb film? I don't plan to see
that homo-centric bit of trash. Musta been directed by Tu Sor But.
Edited by Chinese film professional Wee Lyk Fags. Starring Henry
Fitzpatrick, and Patrick Fitzhenry.

Sorry, can't help with the other film, though.

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 You have to starve them.
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I used to go to Chinese movies when I lived in a big city that had a
Chinatown area. Most of them were "chop-socky" types but every once in
a
while they'd show a modern Chinese romance flick (so-so) or something
else,
and there was one in the "something else" category that I'd go see
every
time it played, and if possible sit through showing after showing all
day
and night. There was just something about this film that grabbed me
and
wouldn't let go....

I'd forgotten all about it until recently when I saw Brokeback
Mountain
(finally - what a superb film!) which of course has a Chinese
director,
which got me thinking about Chinese movies in general, then I
remembered
this old one. All I can remember right now is that it was released
prior to
1976, it was a dramatized account of some important event or period in
Chinese history (old times, like maybe B.C. or earlier, I am not sure,
but
definitely no later than about the 18th century A.D.), and it was
simply
stupendous in scope and absolutely riveting. Lots of the color red in
the
costumes and sets.

Now, I'd really, really, really love to see this film again, but first
I
need to know what it's called. I know if I heard it or read it, I
would know
it, but I cannot think of it.

I've joined some internet groups concerned with obscure films and
asked for
help to recall this film title, without success.

Would deeply appreciate any help at all.

And speaking of films, more specifically films with cats in them, I
know of
another: Secret Garden.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/6302148669

I haven't actually watched it but it was playing in a video store I
sometimes visit and I caught a glimpse of the cat in it. A blackie.
Don't
know if anything bad happens to it. If anyone does know, please inform
me.
CatNipped - 14 Jun 2006 14:23 GMT
> Hmm. Calling Butt-back mountain a superb film? I don't plan to see
> that homo-centric bit of trash. Musta been directed by Tu Sor But.

And with this post you've shown yourself to be a homo-phobic bit of trash!

CatNipped
Adrian A - 14 Jun 2006 15:44 GMT
>> Hmm. Calling Butt-back mountain a superb film? I don't plan to see
>> that homo-centric bit of trash. Musta been directed by Tu Sor But.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> CatNipped

He proved himseelf to be a sorry excuse for a human being long ago, hence
the reason he's in my killfile.
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CatNipped - 14 Jun 2006 16:09 GMT
>> And with this post you've shown yourself to be a homo-phobic bit of
>> trash!
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> He proved himseelf to be a sorry excuse for a human being long ago, hence
> the reason he's in my killfile.

I was just telling Sherry that the only reason he hasn't caused a stir
lately is because so many people already have him in their kill-files.  He
was the one who was refused adoption of a cat because of cruelty issues, but
continues to try to troll the group.

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David - 14 Jun 2006 20:57 GMT
>> "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote in message

trash message removed

I blocked his messages ages ago--something always felt "off" about them.

David
Stormin Mormon - 17 Jun 2006 03:21 GMT
Not homophobic. I don't fear homosexuals, I avoid them. For moral
reasons, not fear reasons.

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 You have to starve them.
.

> Hmm. Calling Butt-back mountain a superb film? I don't plan to see
> that homo-centric bit of trash. Musta been directed by Tu Sor But.

And with this post you've shown yourself to be a homo-phobic bit of
trash!

CatNipped
Jeff Mullen - 17 Jun 2006 22:21 GMT
> Not homophobic. I don't fear homosexuals, I avoid them. For moral
> reasons, not fear reasons.

That's still homophobia.

From www.websters.com, I did a search on "homophobia."  I got:

Fear of OR CONTEMPT FOR lesbians and gay men.

--emphasis mine.

While I do not believe in punishing you for your beliefs, as some
in this list will, I draw the line at distorting the facts.  You
have done so.

By this authoritative definition, you, sir, are a homophobe.  I
will leave it to you to judge whether this is a good thing or a
bad one--that is a matter of opinion, and, last I knew, you are
entitled to your opinions in this country, whether I concur with
them or not--but it is a TRUE thing, and that is a matter of fact.

Jeff
Stormin Mormon - 20 Jun 2006 00:49 GMT
claustrophobia

Claustrophobia is an anxiety disorder that involves the fear of
enclosed or confined spaces. Claustrophobes may suffer from panic
attacks, or fear of having a panic attack, in situations such as being
in elevators, trains or aircraft.

I looked up clautrophobia. the def'n I got on Google was "fear of". I
wonder who added "contempt for" to the def'n of "phobia"?

So, I looked up "contempt".

con·tempt (k?n-tempt') pronunciation
n.

  1. The feeling or attitude of regarding someone or something as
inferior, base, or worthless; scorn.
  2. The state of being despised or dishonored; disgrace.
  3. Open disrespect or willful disobedience of the authority of a
court of law or legislative body.

I'd agree with def'n 2, part of. Dishonored (violating the laws of
God) and disgrace (acting in a bad manner).

So, if I have contempt for small places, I'm not a claustrophobe.
However, if I have contempt for homosexual behaviour, I'm a homophobe.
Learn something every day.

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Stormin Mormon wrote:
> Not homophobic. I don't fear homosexuals, I avoid them. For moral
> reasons, not fear reasons.

That's still homophobia.

From www.websters.com, I did a search on "homophobia."  I got:

Fear of OR CONTEMPT FOR lesbians and gay men.

--emphasis mine.

While I do not believe in punishing you for your beliefs, as some
in this list will, I draw the line at distorting the facts.  You
have done so.

By this authoritative definition, you, sir, are a homophobe.  I
will leave it to you to judge whether this is a good thing or a
bad one--that is a matter of opinion, and, last I knew, you are
entitled to your opinions in this country, whether I concur with
them or not--but it is a TRUE thing, and that is a matter of fact.

Jeff
badwilson - 14 Jun 2006 14:32 GMT
> Hmm. Calling Butt-back mountain a superb film? I don't plan to see
> that homo-centric bit of trash. Musta been directed by Tu Sor But.
> Edited by Chinese film professional Wee Lyk Fags. Starring Henry
> Fitzpatrick, and Patrick Fitzhenry.
>
> Sorry, can't help with the other film, though.

O.M.G.  In all of my 5 or 6 years on this NG, I have never been more
offended by a post than by this one.  Even with all the occasional flame
wars and trash talking, I have never killfiled anyone.  But I seriously
can not tolerate reading another word that you write.
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Pat - 14 Jun 2006 14:54 GMT
>> Hmm. Calling Butt-back mountain a superb film? I don't plan to see
>> that homo-centric bit of trash. Musta been directed by Tu Sor But.
>> Edited by Chinese film professional Wee Lyk Fags. Starring Henry
>> Fitzpatrick, and Patrick Fitzhenry.

> O.M.G.  In all of my 5 or 6 years on this NG, I have never been more
> offended by a post than by this one.  Even with all the occasional flame
> wars and trash talking, I have never killfiled anyone.  But I seriously
> can not tolerate reading another word that you write.

New Study Links Homophobia with Homosexual Arousal
Psychoanalytic theory holds that homophobia --the fear, anxiety, anger,
discomfort and aversion that some ostensibly heterosexual people hold for
gay individuals -- is the result of repressed homosexual urges that the
person is either unaware of or denies. A study appearing in the August issue
of the Journal of Abnormal Psychology, published by the American
Psychological Association (APA), provides new empirical evidence that is
consistent with that theory.

Researchers at the University of Georgia conducted an experiment involving
35 homophobic men and 29 non-homophobic men as measured by the Index of
Homophobia scale. All the participants selected for the study described
themselves as exclusively heterosexual both in terms of sexual arousal and
experience.

Each participant was exposed to sexually explicit erotic stimuli consisting
of heterosexual, male homosexual and lesbian videotapes (but not necessarily
in that order). Their degree of sexual arousal was measured by penile
plethysmography, which precisely measures and records male tumescence.

Men in both groups were aroused by about the same degree by the video
depicting heterosexual sexual behavior and by the video showing two women
engaged in sexual behavior. The only significant difference in degree of
arousal between the two groups occurred when they viewed the video depicting
male homosexual sex: "The homophobic men showed a significant increase in
penile circumference to the male homosexual video, but the control
[non-homophobic] men did not."

Broken down further, the measurements showed that while 66% of the
non-homophobic group showed no significant tumescence while watching the
male homosexual video, only 20% of the homophobic men showed little or no
evidence of arousal. Similarly, while 24% of the non-homophobic men showed
definite tumescence while watching the homosexual video, 54% of the
homophobic men did.

When asked to give their own subjective assessment of the degree to which
they were aroused by watching each of the three videos, men in both groups
gave answers that tracked fairly closely with the results of the objective
physiological measurement, with one exception: the homophobic men
significantly underestimated their degree of arousal by the male homosexual
video.

Do these findings mean, then, that homophobia in men is a reaction to
repressed homosexual urges, as psychoanalysis theorizes? While their
findings are consistent with that theory, the authors note that there is
another, competing theoretical explanation: anxiety. According to this
theory, viewing the male homosexual videotape may have caused negative
emotions (such as anxiety) in the homophobic men, but not in the
non-homophobic men. As the authors note, "anxiety has been shown to enhance
arousal and erection," and so it is also possible that "a response to
homosexual stimuli [in these men] is a function of the threat condition
rather than sexual arousal per se. These competing notions can and should be
evaluated by future research."

Reference:  Journal of Abnormal Psychology, Vol. 105, No. 3, pp 440-445.
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 14 Jun 2006 19:04 GMT
 [deleted because the rest of you don't need to read that again!]

> O.M.G.  In all of my 5 or 6 years on this NG, I have never been more
> offended by a post than by this one.  Even with all the occasional flame
> wars and trash talking, I have never killfiled anyone.  But I seriously
> can not tolerate reading another word that you write.

I KF'ed the creep a long time ago. I guess he's finally showing his
true colors.

Joyce
Stormin Mormon - 17 Jun 2006 03:21 GMT
Courtesy returned.

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I KF'ed the creep a long time ago. I guess he's finally showing his
true colors.

Joyce
Marina - 16 Jun 2006 04:27 GMT
> O.M.G.  In all of my 5 or 6 years on this NG, I have never been more
> offended by a post than by this one.  Even with all the occasional flame
> wars and trash talking, I have never killfiled anyone.  But I seriously
> can not tolerate reading another word that you write.

I don't use the killfile a lot either, but I KF'd him way back when he
made his first homophobic remark. I'd never seen a message from him that
contributed to the newsgroup in any way, so it's no loss.

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badwilson - 16 Jun 2006 10:56 GMT
>> O.M.G.  In all of my 5 or 6 years on this NG, I have never been more
>> offended by a post than by this one.  Even with all the occasional
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> made his first homophobic remark. I'd never seen a message from him
> that contributed to the newsgroup in any way, so it's no loss.

Yes, that is true.  Not one single post he ever wrote contributed to
this NG.  Not in it's sprirt, nor in any sort of entertainment value
even.  You're right, no big loss.
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Stormin Mormon - 17 Jun 2006 03:26 GMT
If you weren't such a judgemental conclusion jumper, you might have
asked. Instead of rushing to mistaken a.s/u/mptions.

Bye.

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badwilson wrote:

> O.M.G.  In all of my 5 or 6 years on this NG, I have never been more
> offended by a post than by this one.  Even with all the occasional flame
> wars and trash talking, I have never killfiled anyone.  But I seriously
> can not tolerate reading another word that you write.

I don't use the killfile a lot either, but I KF'd him way back when he
made his first homophobic remark. I'd never seen a message from him
that
contributed to the newsgroup in any way, so it's no loss.

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sriddles@aol.com - 14 Jun 2006 15:15 GMT
> Hmm. Calling Butt-back mountain a superb film? I don't plan to see
> that homo-centric bit of trash. Musta been directed by Tu Sor But.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Christopher A. Young

Did you really write this or is it forged? This post offends me in so
many ways I can't even separate them all.

You've been posting here a long time. Even if you thought such a thing
was funny, you would know that this group would not.

Sherry
CatNipped - 14 Jun 2006 15:41 GMT
>> Hmm. Calling Butt-back mountain a superb film? I don't plan to see
>> that homo-centric bit of trash. Musta been directed by Tu Sor But.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> Sherry

Sherry, this is the same guy who was denied adoption of a cat because of
cruelty issues - he's been posting here a long time, but since so many
people have him kill-filed he hasn't caused much stir lately.

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wafflycat - 14 Jun 2006 16:55 GMT
wrote a pile of homophobic twaddle...

*plonk*
Jo Firey - 14 Jun 2006 18:39 GMT
> Sorry, can't help with the other film, though.

So you are the people hating freak I always suspected.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Jo
Stormin Mormon - 17 Jun 2006 03:21 GMT
So, you're a judgemental a.shole who jumps to jackass conclusions?

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> Sorry, can't help with the other film, though.

So you are the people hating freak I always suspected.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Jo
Joy - 14 Jun 2006 20:02 GMT
Your homophobia is showing.

> Hmm. Calling Butt-back mountain a superb film? I don't plan to see
> that homo-centric bit of trash. Musta been directed by Tu Sor But.
[quoted text clipped - 56 lines]
> know if anything bad happens to it. If anyone does know, please inform
> me.
Karen AKA Kajikit - 15 Jun 2006 18:47 GMT
(snip homophobic trash)

Congratulations... you just earned your way back into my killfile. And
this time it won't have an expiry date.
Pat - 15 Jun 2006 18:50 GMT
> (snip homophobic trash)
>
> Congratulations... you just earned your way back into my killfile. And
> this time it won't have an expiry date.

I think this goes for pretty near 100% of the rest of the group, too (if not
101%).
Christina Websell - 15 Jun 2006 22:32 GMT
>> (snip homophobic trash)
>>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> I think this goes for pretty near 100% of the rest of the group, too (if
> not 101%).

I was appalled by his post.  I have killfiled him in the past, but had a New
Year amnesty and let everyone out.
There is something I am not comfortable about when I read his posts.  I have
challenged him in the past about "whether he is a real Mormon" as it just
doesn't sit right with me.
I am not a Mormon myself, but a lot of my extended family are.  My aunt &
uncle have been members for 53 years, and their children and grandchildren
after them.   I spend a lot of time with them.  This is not typical of
Mormon thinking at all - at least in my family.  How shameful that he posts
as a Mormon and spews such bile.  He needs to have a serious talk with his
bishop to address this feeling - and quite frankly, if I knew who his bishop
was, I'd have a word with him myself.

Tweed  <-- could probably find out but I'll leave it for now.
CatNipped - 15 Jun 2006 22:53 GMT
>>> (snip homophobic trash)
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> Tweed  <-- could probably find out but I'll leave it for now.

It always makes me sad when people use their "love" for their god to excuse
their hate for their fellow man.  In all the religions I know of there is
either a paternalistic or maternalistic dynamic.  As a mother, I can not
imagine putting *ANY* qualifications on my love for my children (e.g. I'll
only love you if you are a heterosexual).  My love for them does not depend
on what they do or who they choose to love.  Their happiness is my ultimate
hope for them in whatever way they may find it.  Why people think a god
would hate his/her/its children is just beyond any logic I can conceive.

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Jo Firey - 16 Jun 2006 00:18 GMT
> It always makes me sad when people use their "love" for their god to
> excuse their hate for their fellow man.  In all the religions I know of
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Why people think a god would hate his/her/its children is just beyond any
> logic I can conceive.

While this is probably not a good subject for debate here, I certainly agree
with you.

But then I find his advertising of his "religious affiliation" as part of
his screen name in and of itself offensive.

Individuals simply do not have that sort of right to use the name of any
group to validate their own personal agenda.

There is or should be a line between "this is what I believe" and "this is
what we believe"  and he has stomped all over it.

Then again I get pissed at businesses that fly huge American flags to
attract business so what to I know.

Jo

Jo
L. - 17 Jun 2006 11:19 GMT
> It always makes me sad when people use their "love" for their god to excuse
> their hate for their fellow man.  In all the religions I know of there is
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> hope for them in whatever way they may find it.  Why people think a god
> would hate his/her/its children is just beyond any logic I can conceive.

Amen to that.  I want to congratulate this group for being so open and
honest in their support of the GLBT community.  You are all to be
commended (with one exception, of course).  
-L.
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 15 Jun 2006 23:39 GMT
> There is something I am not comfortable about when I read his posts.  I have
> challenged him in the past about "whether he is a real Mormon" as it just
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> after them.   I spend a lot of time with them.  This is not typical of
> Mormon thinking at all - at least in my family.  

I guess as a group, Mormons are like any other group - some are decent,
some are bigoted jerks. I would assume he is a "real" Mormon, but that
doesn't mean he speaks for any other.

I have known some gay people who grew up in Mormon families, and it was
quite a difficult issue for them, with respect to getting acceptance
and respect from their families for who they are. That was a while ago,
though, and maybe things have changed.

Also, perhaps it's a bit different in the UK. In the USA, there's a
very wide streak of religious fundamentalism that's tied to right-wing
social beliefs (Stormin has mentioned that he is a right-winger), and
gay people are among their primary scapegoats and targets. Acceptance
of homosexuality is seen by many of these people as a sign that morality
in society has collapsed. Maybe Mormons in the UK haven't incorporated
that particular corollation?

Joyce
Christina Websell - 16 Jun 2006 00:04 GMT
> > There is something I am not comfortable about when I read his posts.  I
> > have
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> in society has collapsed. Maybe Mormons in the UK haven't incorporated
> that particular corollation?

My family certainly haven't.  I can't speak for others.  It's like being
born right-handed or left-handed.  Most are right-handed but some are not.
I don't understand why anyone sees a problem with it.  How does it matter
who you fall in love with as long as you are both happy?
Love should be celebrated wherever and whenever it happens. IMO.

Tweed
Dan M - 16 Jun 2006 00:31 GMT
> My family certainly haven't.  I can't speak for others.  It's like being
> born right-handed or left-handed.  Most are right-handed but some are not.
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>
> Tweed

I just wish more people thought this way. And I REALLY wish our elected
representatives did.

Like you said, most people are right-handed, but some are left-handed. Why
should that matter? I'm hetero, the next guy is gay - so what? How is my
sexual inclination anybody else's business? Why is the next guy's
sexuality any of my business?

What really puzzles me is when ultra-Conservatives start talk about
anti-gay ordinances as "protecting marriage". How would allowing gay
marriage threaten the institution of marriage itself? Makes no sense to me.
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 16 Jun 2006 00:44 GMT
> What really puzzles me is when ultra-Conservatives start talk about
> anti-gay ordinances as "protecting marriage". How would allowing gay
> marriage threaten the institution of marriage itself? Makes no sense
> to me.

The writer Ellen Goodman (who started in Boston, but has been syndicated
for many years), wrote this on the subject:

 Memo to the Congress: Thanks for thinking of me, but I don't need
 you to defend my marriage. My husband and I can handle that
 ourselves. Spare me 'The Defense of Marriage Act' label on a bill
 banning same-sex marriages. The name implies that the value of
 heterosexual marriages goes down once you let homosexuals into the
 institution. There goes the neighborhood. I don't buy this realtor's
 view of relationships.

That is probably the most apt (and one of the funniest) comments I've
heard about this issue.

Joyce
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 16 Jun 2006 00:39 GMT
> I don't understand why anyone sees a problem with it.  How does it matter
> who you fall in love with as long as you are both happy?
> Love should be celebrated wherever and whenever it happens. IMO.

True - it's rare enough in whatever form it comes in!

Joyce
Stormin Mormon - 17 Jun 2006 03:21 GMT
Courtesy returned. Guess you don't like people who stand for morals
and values.

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On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:54:06 GMT, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> wrote:

(snip homophobic trash)

Congratulations... you just earned your way back into my killfile. And
this time it won't have an expiry date.
Dan M - 17 Jun 2006 03:58 GMT
> Courtesy returned. Guess you don't like people who stand for morals and
> values.

No, we don't like people who stand for bigotry and small-mindedness.
Adrian A - 17 Jun 2006 09:36 GMT
>> Courtesy returned. Guess you don't like people who stand for morals
>> and values.
>
> No, we don't like people who stand for bigotry and small-mindedness.

Why bother with him, Dan? You'll never change his bigotry, and as for morals
and values, he obviously has none.
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Jeff Mullen - 17 Jun 2006 22:30 GMT
> Courtesy returned. Guess you don't like people who stand for morals
> and values.

If you stood for morals and values, you wouldn't have used such
rude wording to describe a movie that others may have seen.

Forgive me, please, for being blunt, but I can't find a "soft"
way to word this:

Common courtesy is a moral value--a moral value that you need
to learn.  It is rude to inject gutter humor into a discussion.

Jeff
Stormin Mormon - 20 Jun 2006 00:49 GMT
judgmental

adjective

  1.  Of, relating to, or dependent on judgment: a judgmental error.
  2. Inclined to make judgments, especially moral or personal ones: a
marriage counselor who tries not to be judgmental.

See opinion, surprise/expect. See also Mullen, Jeff.

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Stormin Mormon wrote:
> Courtesy returned. Guess you don't like people who stand for morals
> and values.

If you stood for morals and values, you wouldn't have used such
rude wording to describe a movie that others may have seen.

Forgive me, please, for being blunt, but I can't find a "soft"
way to word this:

Common courtesy is a moral value--a moral value that you need
to learn.  It is rude to inject gutter humor into a discussion.

Jeff
Tanada - 15 Jun 2006 20:55 GMT
Snip homophobic twaddle

> Sorry, can't help with the other film, though.

Oh Dear.  Just when I was beginning to think that you might be ok after
all.

Pam S. saddened
Stormin Mormon - 17 Jun 2006 03:21 GMT
What a sad state of America. We used to encourage families and
discourage perverts.

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Stormin Mormon wrote:

Snip homophobic twaddle

> Sorry, can't help with the other film, though.

Oh Dear.  Just when I was beginning to think that you might be ok
after
all.

Pam S. saddened
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 17 Jun 2006 20:27 GMT
> What a sad state of America. We used to encourage families

That was when overpopulation was only a problem in far-off
places like China, not yet a contributory factor to our
destroying the planet we live on.  (When God told Adam and
Eve "Be fruitful and multiply", He should have added "but
don't overdo it!")

 and
> discourage perverts.

Define "pervert".  Homosexuality has existed since the dawn
of humankind.  (Actually other animals practice it on
occasion, too.)  It is not something one "chooses" to be,
just an inborn variation from the norm (if you define "norm"
as the sexual valence of the majority of humanity).  No one
is suggesting you change your own sexual preferences
(although often those most vehemently critical of "gays" are
those who are repressing the tendency within themselves -
people secure and at ease with their own sexuality don't
feel threatened by others' differences).
Stormin Mormon - 20 Jun 2006 00:53 GMT
Stormin Mormon wrote:

> What a sad state of America. We used to encourage families

That was when overpopulation was only a problem in far-off
places like China, not yet a contributory factor to our
destroying the planet we live on.  (When God told Adam and
Eve "Be fruitful and multiply", He should have added "but
don't overdo it!")
CY: I sense that you are a left wing liberal. Is my sense correct?
Please, lets have some stats from you on the population per area in
the US versus other countries. And the polution levels. I suspect
you're in for a surprise or two.

 and
> discourage perverts.

Define "pervert".  Homosexuality has existed since the dawn
of humankind.  (Actually other animals practice it on
occasion, too.)  It is not something one "chooses" to be,
just an inborn variation from the norm (if you define "norm"
as the sexual valence of the majority of humanity).  No one
is suggesting you change your own sexual preferences
(although often those most vehemently critical of "gays" are
those who are repressing the tendency within themselves -
people secure and at ease with their own sexuality don't
feel threatened by others' differences).
CY: Murder has also existed since the first family. However, few
people would say it's OK cause it's been since the beginning of time.
That's not a valid argument to me. Animals practice murder, too. Is
that, now, our standard for what's OK? If I show you an animal which
eats its newborn babies, would you reccomend it to the rest of us? And
now you make judgement about "those who are most vehement". I'd like
some evidence of your last statement.
L. - 17 Jun 2006 11:14 GMT
> Hmm. Calling Butt-back mountain a superb film? I don't plan to see
> that homo-centric bit of trash. Musta been directed by Tu Sor But.
> Edited by Chinese film professional Wee Lyk Fags. Starring Henry
> Fitzpatrick, and Patrick Fitzhenry.
>
> Sorry, can't help with the other film, though.

You're a complete a.shole.

-L.
Randy - 14 Jun 2006 14:51 GMT
>I used to go to Chinese movies when I lived in a big city that had a
>Chinatown area. Most of them were "chop-socky" types but every once in a
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>sometimes visit and I caught a glimpse of the cat in it. A blackie. Don't
>know if anything bad happens to it. If anyone does know, please inform me.

Maybe you can find it here:
http://www.dianying.com/en/

Randy

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Pat - 14 Jun 2006 16:13 GMT
> Maybe you can find it here:
> http://www.dianying.com/en/

I found a good database of Chinese films at http://www.cinemasie.com/en/

Working my way backward by year from 1976. So far I have not found what I'm
looking for but I believe I'm finally on the right trail.
CatNipped - 14 Jun 2006 15:37 GMT
> I'd forgotten all about it until recently when I saw Brokeback Mountain
> (finally - what a superb film!) which of course has a Chinese director,
> which got me thinking about Chinese movies in general, then I remembered
> this old one.

Ben and I also just got to see Brokeback Mountain this weekend.  We agree,
it was a *very* moving and poignant movie.  It was also a sad but accurate
commentary on our sexually-repressed, puritanical society which, going by a
post in this thread, we have yet to outgrown.

I highly recommend it to those who haven't seen it yet.

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sriddles@aol.com - 14 Jun 2006 15:58 GMT
> > I'd forgotten all about it until recently when I saw Brokeback Mountain
> > (finally - what a superb film!) which of course has a Chinese director,
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>
> CatNipped

It's on pay-per-view right now, and we plan to watch it soon as we're
both in the mood to sit down and watch a movie. There are a couple more
on PPV I want to see; Dreamer and Memoirs of a Geisha also.

Sherry
CatNipped - 14 Jun 2006 16:08 GMT
>> > I'd forgotten all about it until recently when I saw Brokeback Mountain
>> > (finally - what a superb film!) which of course has a Chinese director,
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
> Sherry

Ben watched Dreamer and said it was really good (I was biking so didn't get
to watch it before it had to be back to the rental store).  Memoirs of a
Geisha was *really* good (Ben didn't watch this one).

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Pat - 14 Jun 2006 16:55 GMT
http://www.hkcinemagic.com/en/movie.asp?id=1026
wafflycat - 14 Jun 2006 17:22 GMT
> http://www.hkcinemagic.com/en/movie.asp?id=1026

The Water Margin!!! Good grief! A TV series from 1970s over here on UK TV.
Dubbed - badly - cult status TV... recently repeated on digital. Most
excellent series. "do not despise the snake for having no horns, for who is
to say it will not become a dragon?". Ah yes... Lin Chung was the good guy.

Cheers, helen s
Pat - 14 Jun 2006 17:26 GMT
> The Water Margin!!! Good grief! A TV series from 1970s over here on UK TV.
> Dubbed - badly - cult status TV... recently repeated on digital. Most
> excellent series. "do not despise the snake for having no horns, for who
> is to say it will not become a dragon?". Ah yes... Lin Chung was the good
> guy.

Now I want to see it again to find out why I enjoyed it so much back then!
wafflycat - 14 Jun 2006 17:47 GMT
>> The Water Margin!!! Good grief! A TV series from 1970s over here on UK
>> TV.
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>
> Now I want to see it again to find out why I enjoyed it so much back then!

Oh it's *wonderful* It's so bad it's good - if you see what I mean. All
expense spared on the special effects - even for that time. The story lines
are, well... *thin*... Lin Cheung the craggy good guy hero. Hsiao Lan, his
wife was the good wife (but she weeped, wailed and whined too much for my
liking). Hu San-Niang (I think) was the female heroine - obviously fancied
the pants off Lin Cheung, but too honorable to actually do anything about
it, and she could fight better than any man. The evil Kao Chiu - the
baddie - and boy, was he a baddie... did the despicable to Hu San-Niang
which I suppose, was justification for all her weeping and wailing. On the
other hand, Hu San-Niang would have just chopped off the evil one's err...
well, you get my drift. All the heroes of  Liang Shan Po... all wonderfully
narrated by Bert Kwouk...

An infinitely better TV offering than Monkey.

I'm still a fan of The Water Margin :-)
Tish Silberbauer - 14 Jun 2006 22:01 GMT
>Oh it's *wonderful* It's so bad it's good - if you see what I mean. All
>expense spared on the special effects - even for that time. The story lines
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
>I'm still a fan of The Water Margin :-)

I've never see The Water Margin, but I used to LOVE Monkey!  It was
repetitive and predictable, but there was something about it that
really appealed.

Tish
Adrian A - 14 Jun 2006 17:59 GMT
> http://www.hkcinemagic.com/en/movie.asp?id=1026

I'm glad you found it. When you posted your request, I thought, I don't know
any Chinese films, but I do remember the title and I think I may have seen
it a long time ago.
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