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sriddles@aol.com - 03 Jun 2006 00:01 GMT
Biskit has started limping on her right foot; I checked the paw and leg
and there is nothing visibly wrong and no swelling that I can discern.
The tenderness seems to be in the shoulder, not the leg itself. She had
a rabies vax two weeks ago. Talked to the vet today, and he said it is
not uncommon for the rabies vaccine to cause a delayed inflammation.
Said to bring her in Monday a.m. if it is not any better.
Has anybody else had this happen to your cats?
In 2000, Yoda had a bad reaction to vaccinations and nearly died. After
this, I'm really wondering whether to even vaccinate them any more,
particularly the rabies vax. Their chances of catching the disease are
extremely low to nil. I'm thinking there's a much better chance of them
dying from the vaccination than rabies.

Sherry
Matthew - 03 Jun 2006 00:03 GMT
Yes Sherry
Spirit had that happen to him  watch him close till you take him in
ALWAYS BETTER SAFE THAN SORRY
> Biskit has started limping on her right foot; I checked the paw and leg
> and there is nothing visibly wrong and no swelling that I can discern.
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>
> Sherry
Dan M - 03 Jun 2006 00:04 GMT
On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 16:01:20 -0700, sriddles wrote:

> Biskit has started limping on her right foot; I checked the paw and leg
> and there is nothing visibly wrong and no swelling that I can discern.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Sherry

That's pretty much my thought.

If you feel a need for vaccinations, I recommend finding a vet that will
administer vaccs without adjuvants (like the PureVax line). It's the
adjuvants that cause most of the problems.
dnr - 03 Jun 2006 00:26 GMT
> On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 16:01:20 -0700, sriddles wrote:
>> Biskit has started limping on her right foot; I checked the paw and leg
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> administer vaccs without adjuvants (like the PureVax line). It's the
> adjuvants that cause most of the problems.

Unfortunately, some of us live in municipalities that mandate, by
city/county
ordinance or otherwise, regular rabies vaccinations for dogs & cats in
coordination w/license tags, *whether or not your pet never goes outside*.
Where we moved from, vets could be found who ignore the "tag/license"
mandate; I had one. (I gave my cats all the feline vaccinations anyway;
they just didn't get licensed/tags).
Not here; this state is hurting for $ and they tax the hell out of food
(take-out
or eat-in!), groceries, amusements, vehicle licenses/tags, plus a state
income
tax. Pet ordinances obviously make them an income also. My last trip to
local vet, w/"free" exams, vaccinations, and vet papers to shlep to animal
control for their licenses/tags ("to be worn at all times!!! - inside only
cats)
which cost additonal fees, cost, for 3 cats: over $300, which is about
double former annual vet costs in former resident state This is not counting
what I paid the animal control HQ for their tags/licenses.
My point is that some of us don't have a choice in the matter of
vaccinations for rabies.
Hope your Biskit gets herself well soon from the inflammation.
sriddles@aol.com - 03 Jun 2006 00:43 GMT
> > On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 16:01:20 -0700, sriddles wrote:
> >> Biskit has started limping on her right foot; I checked the paw and leg
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> vaccinations for rabies.
> Hope your Biskit gets herself well soon from the inflammation.

I think it's Okla. state requirement for pets to be vaccinated. I
*know* it's a municipal ordinance, but we don't live in city limits
anyway. But I did always try to abide by it; if for no other reason, if
we had a visiting child (just for example) to grab up one of the cats,
get scratched or bitten, it would be a much worse mandatory quarantine
hassle if they were unvaccinated. And when they went outside I figured
they needed the vaccination. But they don't go out anymore. I'm going
to check into the vaccine that Dan posted about. (thanks, Dan)

Sherry
W. Leong - 03 Jun 2006 02:05 GMT
.

> I think it's Okla. state requirement for pets to be vaccinated. I
> *know* it's a municipal ordinance, but we don't live in city limits
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>
> Sherry

The only time Rusty goes outside is to the vet. But I have to get him
vaccinated
or else I won't be able to board him. Not that I will board him
unvaccinated.
Yesterday a neighbour dropped by unexpectedly. I opened the door and found
him with his dog. I had to make sure Rusty didn't rush out.
I don't know whether his dog is vaccinated. It is on occassions like this
that
I rather Rusty is vaccinated. As another poster mentioned, rabies
vaccination
is a municipal ordinance. The condo is also proposing vaccination
requirements
for all pets in the building, but I don't think the bylaw is passed yet.

Winnie
Victor Martinez - 03 Jun 2006 01:16 GMT
> Unfortunately, some of us live in municipalities that mandate, by
> city/county
> ordinance or otherwise, regular rabies vaccinations for dogs & cats in
> coordination w/license tags, *whether or not your pet never goes outside*.

My vet told me she isn't in the law enforcement business and that it was
my choice. :)

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sriddles@aol.com - 03 Jun 2006 01:26 GMT
> > Unfortunately, some of us live in municipalities that mandate, by
> > city/county
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> --
> Victor M. Martinez

I've heard that the vet can sign a waiver that exempts from the law, in
cases where the animal is allergic to the vaccine. Don't know whether
that's true in all states (or in any of them)...but IMO it should be.
I"m still not getting Yoda vaccinated, ever. Guess he'll just have to
be a cat on the lam.

Sherry
Monique Y. Mudama - 03 Jun 2006 01:46 GMT
> Unfortunately, some of us live in municipalities that mandate, by
> city/county ordinance or otherwise, regular rabies vaccinations for
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> vaccinations for rabies.  Hope your Biskit gets herself well soon
> from the inflammation.

Hrm.  Never got Oscar licensed.  Never even occured to me.  Wonder if
she's supposed to be.

Hrm .. apparently so, but at $10/year it doesn't seem exhorbitant.

http://www.ci.longmont.co.us/city_clerk/licenses/animal.htm

Guess I'd better hie me to the local shelter.

By the way, I'm rather amused by that link --

"Dogs, Cats, and Vietnamese potbellied pigs owned by residents of the
City of Longmont must be licensed each calendar year."

Pigs must be pretty popular!

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W. Leong - 03 Jun 2006 02:26 GMT
> Hrm.  Never got Oscar licensed.  Never even occured to me.  Wonder if
> she's supposed to be.
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>
> Pigs must be pretty popular!

After reading your post, I went to check the local requirement.
Registration is free for cats/dogs over 6 months old and sterilized &
microchipped. I have to go hunt for Rusty's sterlized certificate and
adoption paper from Humane which indicated he was mircochipped.
If I can't find them, I will have to get a note from the vet.

Winnie
Magic Mood Jeep© - 03 Jun 2006 00:08 GMT
> Biskit has started limping on her right foot; I checked the paw and
> leg and there is nothing visibly wrong and no swelling that I can
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Sherry

Weeble had a reaction to the first vax he ever had, but I don't think it was
rabies.  I think it was the others that cats get.  He developed a lump at
the vax site.  TED, DH & I kept close watch on it, and it slowly went away.
Turns out that TED wasn't able to get the vax brand he usually does
(PureVax, by Merial, a division of Merck) and went with what they could
get - and as a result, a lot of kitties had the swelling at the vax site
reaction.

They are now back with PureVax, and I've not seen any swelling on any of the
kitties since then, except the one time one squirmed a bit so ended up with
a bit of a sore spot from the needle.
sriddles@aol.com - 03 Jun 2006 00:47 GMT
> > Biskit has started limping on her right foot; I checked the paw and
> > leg and there is nothing visibly wrong and no swelling that I can
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> kitties since then, except the one time one squirmed a bit so ended up with
> a bit of a sore spot from the needle.

You know that gnawing feeling you get when you think the vet is wrong?
She has *no* lump or irritation at the injection site, nothing. I just
don't think this is a vaccine reaction. I don't have any basis for
that, just that I think the injection site wouldn't look normal, and it
wouldn't be making her limp on one leg only. What I am really worried
about is bone cancer. It's not that unusual in dogs and cats. My
friend's cat had her leg amputated from bone cancer, and limping was
the first symptom.
Arrgghh. I wish I didn't have to worry about it all weekend.

Sherry
Karen - 03 Jun 2006 02:23 GMT
Purrs for Biskit. She didn't maybe jump wrong and injure herself ?
sriddles@aol.com - 03 Jun 2006 03:23 GMT
> Purrs for Biskit. She didn't maybe jump wrong and injure herself ?

That's first what I thought it might be. But there is no swelling at
all that I can tell. I would think that a sprain would be swollen. I
could be wrong about this. And Biskit's cat-math is *bad*. She is
always missing a jump. Always has been that way.

Sherry
Pat - 03 Jun 2006 05:47 GMT
>> Purrs for Biskit. She didn't maybe jump wrong and injure herself ?
>
> That's first what I thought it might be. But there is no swelling at
> all that I can tell. I would think that a sprain would be swollen. I
> could be wrong about this. And Biskit's cat-math is *bad*. She is
> always missing a jump. Always has been that way.

Remember when Eli fell off the roof and could barely walk for the first few
days? That was a sprain, a bad one (he still limps slightly when the weather
is damp) but it never swelled noticeably.
Chakolate - 03 Jun 2006 08:02 GMT
sriddles@aol.com wrote in news:1149301381.822281.43220
@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:

>> Purrs for Biskit. She didn't maybe jump wrong and injure herself ?
>
> That's first what I thought it might be. But there is no swelling at
> all that I can tell. I would think that a sprain would be swollen. I
> could be wrong about this. And Biskit's cat-math is *bad*. She is
> always missing a jump. Always has been that way.

Pi came down with a limp once, for no reason I could see.  Nothing
swelled, nothing looked irritated, and when Pi was in full chase mode the
limp disappeared.  After a couple of days, it went away.  

I never was sure if he faked it, but I *think* he just landed funny.  

Chak

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Karen - 03 Jun 2006 15:33 GMT
>> Purrs for Biskit. She didn't maybe jump wrong and injure herself ?
>
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>
> Sherry

My friends cat did not have swelling. It took an xray to see the abcess
that had formed by the shoulder from a bad jump or fall.
Jo Firey - 03 Jun 2006 00:37 GMT
> Biskit has started limping on her right foot; I checked the paw and leg
> and there is nothing visibly wrong and no swelling that I can discern.
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>
> Sherry

Glad you posted this.  I've been remiss in getting Kayla licensed as I
didn't feel like paying the non-spayed fee when she was going to have the
surgery.  And the rules on licensing and rabies don't jibe with the
recommended age for rabies anyway.

But now she has been spayed and vaccinated and I'd best get down to animal
control ASAP.

Jo
CatNipped - 03 Jun 2006 01:27 GMT
> Biskit has started limping on her right foot; I checked the paw and leg
> and there is nothing visibly wrong and no swelling that I can discern.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Sherry

I'm also considering not taking mine in for vaccinations any more.  Sammy
has had her infant and 1-year-old shots, so she should be OK for distemper
for the rest of her life - and none of them so much as sniff outdoor air
(Jessie will sometimes make a foray out of an open door, but we can catch
her within a few minutes - the rest are afraid of the "out").  I really
think that Bandit, at 16, could do without the stress on her system.

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Marina - 03 Jun 2006 05:12 GMT
> Biskit has started limping on her right foot; I checked the paw and leg
> and there is nothing visibly wrong and no swelling that I can discern.
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> extremely low to nil. I'm thinking there's a much better chance of them
> dying from the vaccination than rabies.

I'm currently wondering whether I should have the cats vaccinated
against rabies or not. Last time Caliban had his shots, his vet said she
recommends it, though we haven't had rabies in Finland for decades,
because there is a lot of 'grey' import of cats and dogs from Eastern
countries, where they do have rabies. I'm really worried about that
sarcoma thing. What to do, what to do.

Purrs that Bikkie feels better soon. Wish I had some advice.

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John F. Eldredge - 03 Jun 2006 05:39 GMT
>> Biskit has started limping on her right foot; I checked the paw and leg
>> and there is nothing visibly wrong and no swelling that I can discern.
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>
>Purrs that Bikkie feels better soon. Wish I had some advice.

I have Cinders vaccinated for rabies each year, even though she is an
indoor-only pet (I live on a high-traffic street).  Mice can carry
rabies, and I know I have had a few "suicidal" mice enter the house
over the years despite having a cat (I have found their droppings).
One of the most nasty things about the rabies virus is that, if you
are infected, by the time the symptoms show up, it is too late for
treatment to save your life.  There are only a few documented cases of
people developing rabies symptoms and surviving.

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Christine Burel - 03 Jun 2006 21:41 GMT
> Biskit has started limping on her right foot; I checked the paw and leg
> and there is nothing visibly wrong and no swelling that I can discern.
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>
> Sherry

Hey, Sherry, I'm sorry to read about Biskit's foot!  Hope she is better
soon!  My cat, Shetra (RB) initially had a bad reaction to his vaccinations
and my vet recommended giving him a cortisone shot with them.  However, when
Frodo and Omar both developed autoimmune issues, my vet and I decided  as
they were indoor only, not vaccinating them was recommended.
purrs,
Christine
polonca12000 - 05 Jun 2006 21:51 GMT
> Biskit has started limping on her right foot; I checked the paw and leg
> and there is nothing visibly wrong and no swelling that I can discern.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Sherry

I hope Biskit is ok. If not yet, then we are sending lots of purrs and
best wishes her way,
Polonca and Soncek
 
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