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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / June 2006Am I too strict?
I made a tuna/asparagus/cheese pie topped with mashed potato today for my dinner tonight. Kitty sat on the arm of my chair begrudging me every mouthful. I told her to go and eat the food she'd already got in her bowl and didn't give her any. Now I feel guilty. I would never allow my dogs to beg for the food I was eating, it's such bad manners so I apply the same rule to my cats. Do you think this is unreasonable? I was a little bit tempted to give her some, but it's probably a bad idea. She will already occasionally creep up beside me when I am eating and put her paw out and swipe something off. It's always the meat that she runs off with. Tweed >I made a tuna/asparagus/cheese pie topped with mashed potato today for my >dinner tonight. Kitty sat on the arm of my chair begrudging me every [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Tweed No I don't think you are too strict. If you start giving her your food, she will keep asking for food whenever you eat. Plus you never know which people food are bad for cats. Rusty likes to circle under the dining table when I am eating my meals. Sometimes I have to confine him in his room or feed him first. He especially likes the smell of Swiss Chalet chicken and even put his paws on my lap to try to come up for a bite, but to no avail. Winnie > I made a tuna/asparagus/cheese pie topped with mashed potato today for my > dinner tonight. Kitty sat on the arm of my chair begrudging me every [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > manners so I apply the same rule to my cats. Do you think this is > unreasonable? How I handle it is, it depends on two things: * Will the food be OK for the cat to eat? * Do I want to deal with a cat begging at every meal ever after? For the first, of course, it depends on the food. In Kitty's case, it's probably OK to give her stuff that I might not give a younger cat, because many foods that are bad for you are only bad over time, in a cumulative way. If the cat is already fairly old, I wouldn't worry as much about that. As for whether you want to have her begging from now on, that's up to you. But if you feed her at your table, she will be back for more! Licky interrupts: "GIVE KITTY WHAT SHE WANTS OR ELSE!!!" Joyce again: OK, Licky, pipe down. We all know what your opinion is! :) Joyce > > I made a tuna/asparagus/cheese pie topped with mashed potato today for > > my [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > in a cumulative way. If the cat is already fairly old, I wouldn't > worry as much about that. In this case, probably the food would have been pretty safe for any cat as a one off. > As for whether you want to have her begging from now on, that's up > to you. But if you feed her at your table, she will be back for more! I know and that's why I never allowed my dogs to do it. It's just that..aww, she is so old, shouldn't I let her do what she wants for the life she has left to her? My head says no, my heart says yes. > Licky interrupts: "GIVE KITTY WHAT SHE WANTS OR ELSE!!!" > > Joyce again: OK, Licky, pipe down. We all know what your opinion is! :) LOL, Licky. We both love her. Tweed > I know and that's why I never allowed my dogs to do it. It's just > that..aww, she is so old, shouldn't I let her do what she wants for > the life she has left to her? My head says no, my heart says yes. Would you then have to feed Boyfie your food as well?  Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > It's just that..aww, she is so old, shouldn't I let her do what > she wants for the life she has left to her? My head says no, my > heart says yes. That's kind of where I was going with the idea that while some foods aren't good for cats (or anyone) to eat frequently, because over time they cause problems, in an elderly cat, there most likely won't be a lot of time for long-term health problems to crop up. I mean, if a person is 90 years old, why shouldn't they eat fatty foods (or whatever it is they're craving), if their system can take it? Ditto for an old kitty, as long as it doesn't present an immediate danger, or cause her gastric upset, etc. > LOL, Licky. We both love her. His idea of love definitely involves treats. :) I can understand your reluctance, but I really don't think you will do her any harm giving her a few bites from your plate. Just be ready for return engagements, and beware of Boyfie getting wind of the hand-outs, too! Joyce > I made a tuna/asparagus/cheese pie topped with mashed potato today > for my dinner tonight. Kitty sat on the arm of my chair begrudging [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > up beside me when I am eating and put her paw out and swipe > something off. It's always the meat that she runs off with. I think you're right -- if you allow them to beg they'll just keep doing it. I do sometimes give Oscar some food, but I try to make it based on my whim, not hers. If she tries to sneak up on my plate to get some, she doesn't get any. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca >> I made a tuna/asparagus/cheese pie topped with mashed potato today >> for my dinner tonight. Kitty sat on the arm of my chair begrudging [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > whim, not hers. If she tries to sneak up on my plate to get some, she > doesn't get any. That's my feeling too. I don't want her rewarded for begging. She didn't get any because it was so nice that I ate it all myself. <EG> Tweed >I made a tuna/asparagus/cheese pie topped with mashed potato today for my >dinner tonight. Kitty sat on the arm of my chair begrudging me every >mouthful. UGH !!!!!!!!! :-( >>I made a tuna/asparagus/cheese pie topped with mashed potato today for my >>dinner tonight. Kitty sat on the arm of my chair begrudging me every >>mouthful. > > UGH !!!!!!!!! :-( What is that you don't like, the tuna, asparagus, cheese sauce or the mashed potatoes? It was yummy, btw. Tweed >>>I made a tuna/asparagus/cheese pie topped with mashed potato today for my >>>dinner tonight. Kitty sat on the arm of my chair begrudging me every [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Tweed sounds like something made out of left overs >>>>I made a tuna/asparagus/cheese pie topped with mashed potato today for >>>>my [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> > sounds like something made out of left overs It wasn't. It was all made from fresh. Even if it wasn't, what's your point here? You just made me really cross. YOU SNOB. You made me feel like I am some sort of scum of the earth for making and eating it. Shame on you both. very sad Tweed >> sounds like something made out of left overs > It wasn't. It was all made from fresh. Even if it wasn't, what's your > point here? You just made me really cross. YOU SNOB. You made me feel > like I am some sort of scum of the earth for making and eating it. Shame > on you both. Aww, don't take it to heart, Tweed. Those are just not foods that get put together very often in American cuisine. At least, not that I've ever heard of, and apparently either have these two posters. OK, I think the "UGH" comment was a bit rude, but to me, it sort of does sound like a random collection of leftovers thrown together. Which is not a bad thing, by the way. Ever have frittata? Personally, the tuna, potatoes and cheese sauce together sounds great. I don't happen to like asparagus, so I don't think that would go well with anything, so that's not a comment on your creativity. You should see some of the things I come up with! I like to invent dishes all the time. Joyce >>>>>I made a tuna/asparagus/cheese pie topped with mashed potato >>>>>today for my dinner tonight. Kitty sat on the arm of my chair [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > very sad Tweed Don't be sad, Tweed, just because a couple of people are being rude. It sounds good to me, except that I would probably use chicken in place of tuna. For some reason I don't handle tuna in warm dishes well. DH and I have been eating a lot of asparagus lately. Recently a friend introduced us to grilling it. I mean, we'd put the spears in foil pouches before with butter and some seasonings, but this time we actually put the spears directly on the grill. They ended up crispy and very yummy. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca >>>>>I made a tuna/asparagus/cheese pie topped with mashed potato today for >>>>>my [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > very sad Tweed Wait a second there was more of that post that did not make it thru on there. I had a recipe to make a tex mex pot pie out of those ingredients for you. If you had something to make out of leftovers was the line reading. I am sorry did not mean to make you feel bad. I will repost the recipe if you want it but only if you forgive PLEASE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Wait a second there was more of that post that did not make it thru > on there. I had a recipe to make a tex mex pot pie out of those [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > PLEASE > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tex mex with tuna and mashed potatoes? Now *that* sounds weird to me! I'm definitely curious. I've never seen mashed potatoes involved in Tex Mex. Then again, I thought a fish taco was an obscene phrase until I came to this area and discovered that they're pretty popular. I would link to Wahoo's Fish Tacos, but Wahoo's switched to an all-flash website and it's way too irritating. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > It wasn't. It was all made from fresh. Even if it wasn't, what's your > point here? You just made me really cross. YOU SNOB. You made me feel > like I am some sort of scum of the earth for making and eating it. Shame > on you both. > > very sad Tweed Oh don't let them annoy you. I thought it sounded quite good, and have been thinking if I could do something similar without having to go to the store first. What's the expression "Don't let the #5&! get you down!" Jo Wait a second there was more of that post that did not make it thru on there. I don't know why. Damn computers I had a recipe to make a sort of tex mex pot pie out of those ingredients for you. If you had something to make out of leftovers was the line was supposed to read. I am sorry did not mean to make you feel bad. or come off wrong I will repost the recipe if you want it but only if you forgive me PLEASE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Wait a second there was more of that post that did not make it thru on > there. I don't know why. Damn computers [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I will repost the recipe if you want it but only if you forgive me PLEASE > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are forgiven. You can see how bad it looked at the time, can't you, though? Tweed >> Wait a second there was more of that post that did not make it thru on >> there. I don't know why. Damn computers [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Tweed I bow before your forgiveness and spank the keyboard for the bad typed words that went thru > "Christina Websell" <spamfree@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I bow before your forgiveness and spank the keyboard for the bad typed words > that went thru Perhaps you were being mind-controlled by one of the furry ones? :) Joyce > > Wait a second there was more of that post that did not make it thru on > > there. I don't know why. Damn computers [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I am sorry did not mean to make you feel bad. or come off wrong > > I will repost the recipe if you want it but only if you forgive me PLEASE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > You are forgiven. You can see how bad it looked at the time, can't you, > though? I can. It is considered terribly tacky NOT to limp before the lame in this crowd where just about everyone is or WANTS to be. >>>>>I made a tuna/asparagus/cheese pie topped with mashed potato today for >>>>>my [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >very sad Tweed It sounds tasty to me. SignatureJohn F. Eldredge -- john@jfeldredge.com PGP key available from http://pgp.mit.edu "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria >>>>> I made a tuna/asparagus/cheese pie topped with mashed potato >>>>> today for my [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > very sad Tweed It sounds yummy to me. Tuna and cheese goes together. Asparagus and cheese goes together. Potatoes goes with everything. I am imagining that the potatoes were mashed or whipped and a topping for the pie? Mmmmm :-) SignatureBritta Purring is an automatic safety valve device for dealing with happiness overflow. Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album TWEED! I personally thought the pie you made sounded deeelleeeecious! So there! hehe Lily & her mama PS I dont think Lily would have eaten any of it, but she certainly would have begged, smelled it when I offered and politely refused. She just has to inspect everything I eat but doesn't eat any of it. SignatureIrulan from the stars we come to the stars we return from now until the end of time > >>>>>I made a tuna/asparagus/cheese pie topped with mashed potato today for [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > very sad Tweed > >>I made a tuna/asparagus/cheese pie topped with mashed potato today for my > >>dinner tonight. Kitty sat on the arm of my chair begrudging me every [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Tweed Sounds pretty yummy to me too. What else do you put in it? Any seasonings? >> >>I made a tuna/asparagus/cheese pie topped with mashed potato today for > my [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> > Sounds pretty yummy to me too. What else do you put in it? Any seasonings? I didn't on this occasion but I *could* have done. The tuna can be curried and the potato topping can have dry sage and onion mix sprinkled on the top before it's baked. It can also be all covered in parsley sauce when you serve it. There are all sorts of variations that are all equally delicious. Tweed >I made a tuna/asparagus/cheese pie topped with mashed potato today for my >dinner tonight. Kitty sat on the arm of my chair begrudging me every [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Tweed You could always give her a bit in her own dish if you don't want her begging. Then I've never had the problems with cats begging that you can get with dogs. At least I've never had a cat steal an entire loaf of bread off the counter. Jo > At least I've never had a cat steal an entire loaf of bread off the counter. I had a cat who would steal whole cobs of corn or wedges of cantelope/muskmelon from the table. She's also pull corncobs out of the trash to chew on. One morning I woke up to find a hole the size of a tennis ball gnawed through the side of a whole cantelope I had left on the kitchen counter. I really expected her to get sick from it, but she didn't. Katrina SignatureHistory: special people in special places at special times Anthropology: everyone else the rest of the time -KWorley, 1997 > I had a cat who would steal whole cobs of corn or wedges of > cantelope/muskmelon from the table. She's also pull corncobs out of the > trash to chew on. One morning I woke up to find a hole the size of a > tennis ball gnawed through the side of a whole cantelope I had left on the > kitchen counter. I really expected her to get sick from it, but she > didn't. Reminds me of my RB Minette, who loved baked squash. I left one on a counter to cool one time, and when I got back, there was only the shell and seeds of the squash, plus one tabby and white cat with a bunch of slippery orange strings hanging from her whiskers. >> I had a cat who would steal whole cobs of corn or wedges of >> cantelope/muskmelon from the table. She's also pull corncobs out of the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >the squash, plus one tabby and white cat with a bunch of slippery orange >strings hanging from her whiskers. For my sister's fourth birthday, my mother baked a two-layer gingerbread cake, and left the layers cooling on the kitchen counter overnight in preparation for frosting them. In the morning, we found that the cat had eaten most of one layer of cake, so my sister ended up having a one-layer birthday cake. SignatureJohn F. Eldredge -- john@jfeldredge.com PGP key available from http://pgp.mit.edu "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria > Reminds me of my RB Minette, who loved baked squash. I left one on a > counter to cool one time, and when I got back, there was only the shell > and seeds of the squash, plus one tabby and white cat with a bunch of > slippery orange strings hanging from her whiskers. I vaguely remember squash, like pumpkin, is good for hairballs. Winnie >>I made a tuna/asparagus/cheese pie topped with mashed potato today for my >>dinner tonight. Kitty sat on the arm of my chair begrudging me every [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > get with dogs. At least I've never had a cat steal an entire loaf of > bread off the counter. I've never had a cat open the fridge and eat everything inside it like my dog Trim did either. She who had the flatuence and not surprising, was it? A pound of lard, and ditto margarine and hard cheese. Some sausages and a tub of cottage cheese and all the milk. Some beef mince and a pound of butter. A joint of beef for the weekend. Burps, farts. diarrhoea. Thanks, Trim. I still miss her. She never got over having lived wild. Food was something she could never resist. Tweed >>>I made a tuna/asparagus/cheese pie topped with mashed potato today for my >>>dinner tonight. Kitty sat on the arm of my chair begrudging me every [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Tweed Heaven help us. And here I was worried about the loaf of pumpernickel bread Kayla swiped. Must remember not to let her figure out the refrigerator. If she does there may be no stopping her. Jo > Heaven help us. And here I was worried about the loaf of > pumpernickel bread Kayla swiped. Must remember not to let her > figure out the refrigerator. If she does there may be no stopping > her. Puma (RB) came upon a tied-off bag full of hamburgers (complete with buns, fixings, etc) while we were on a walk ... knowing I wouldn't want him to eat it, he managed to swallow the whole bag full of burgers (as in, they were all still in the plastic bag). It was a big deal, as it was before I or any of my friends could drive. Eventually my boyfriend's mom came home and we were able to get Puma to TED, who induced vomiting and saved the day. If it had taken much longer it would have been a much sadder story. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > Puma (RB) came upon a tied-off bag full of hamburgers (complete with > buns, fixings, etc) while we were on a walk ... knowing I wouldn't [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > get Puma to TED, who induced vomiting and saved the day. If it had > taken much longer it would have been a much sadder story. Wow! Years ago I found a hole in a bag of buns with sausages. The bag was sitting on my kitchen table. Couldn't figure out why until I realized it must be from Rusty chewing the bag to get to the buns. But it didn't look like he got a bite of the buns. From then on everything got carefully put away unless Rusty was confined in his room. Once Rusty even dug out a meat wrap from the garbage. Now I take the garbage out ASAP if I have fish or meat. Winnie >>Heaven help us. And here I was worried about the loaf of >>pumpernickel bread Kayla swiped. Must remember not to let her [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > get Puma to TED, who induced vomiting and saved the day. If it had > taken much longer it would have been a much sadder story. I'm so glad to hear Puma recovered! Best wishes, Polonca and Soncek >>>Heaven help us. And here I was worried about the loaf of >>>pumpernickel bread Kayla swiped. Must remember not to let her [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> > I'm so glad to hear Puma recovered! Best wishes, Polonca and Soncek Oh, thank you, but ... this was over 10 years ago. Puma has long been in a little box in my parent's garage, looking out the window across the yard to the dock and the stream, with a sprig of cotton next to him for decoration. I still miss him and feel like I could have cared for him better in his elderly years. At least he's no longer in pain. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca >>>>I made a tuna/asparagus/cheese pie topped with mashed potato today for >>>>my dinner tonight. Kitty sat on the arm of my chair begrudging me every [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Jo Trim's finest moment was opening the oven and stealing the Sunday dinner beef whilst it was cooking. I put the Yorkshire pudding in to cook and went down the village to collect my DH who was enjoying a couple of pints of lager with his friends. It's not allowed to drink and drive here. We got back only about 15 minutes later- with the potatoes and veggies boiling away to be served up almost straight away we were expecting our Sunday meal very soon. Ulp. The oven door was open and the beef was gone. The Yorkshire pudding had not been cooked very much and was discarded on the kitchen floor. The little (actually she wasn't very little, just a figure of speech) &8^%$£ had managed to open the oven door within a few minutes of me leaving the house and scoff the beef joint. If she'd been a bit more patient she could have eaten a Yorkshire pudding as well. It was annoying at the time. It was also annoying that she would break into the fridge, eat everything in there and then vomit all over the house as all that food was too much for her stomach. I know why she did it. She'd been dumped and never knew where her next meal was coming from. I got her when she was maybe 18 months old from a shelter. Her history for the last few months before that was finding a shed to sleep in, and going out all day trying to steal food. She never got over it. She was always a terrible food thief all her life and who can blame her? She lived with me until she was 14 then she got liver failure. If I can find out how to use my scanner you might see her sitting against a rabbit saying "Uh, wot, me? It jumped in my mouth.." Tweed > It's not allowed to drink and drive here. Is that legal anywhere? It's definitely against the law everywhere in the US, and in fact locally I believe the BAC levels to be considered driving while intoxicated have just been lowered. It doesn't much matter to me, as I don't drink anything if I expect to drive that night. Unfortunately, some people insist on driving while drunk anyway, or claim they aren't, and there are far too many fatalities as a result. Unfortunately, you can't really legislate everything. People shouldn't drive while under the influence of powerful emotions (angry, crying, etc) or having had far too little sleep, and they do anyway, and there's not much you can do about it unless they're driving strangely. (And then there's "driving while not paying attention," which seems to be a major problem for people around here. Scary.) Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > Is that legal anywhere? I can drink and drive legally. If my blood alcohol level does not go above a certain number. :) SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com In the state of Florida we have a no tolerance law .01 which means you have one drink you are over the legal limit. If you are pulled over you can not refuse a breathalyzer it is part of having a license if you do refuse you are arrested and automatically lose your license for one year, your car is impounded and seized and If you are found under the influence you face automatic loss of your license for up to 5 years, jail time and if no one else is involve up to and including 10,000 in fines or more depending on the county and the severity of your influence. In florida they got tired of the counties letting multiple drunk drivers get away with it if there were no injuries involved Florida was just like Texas for awhile no injury no pain just a ticket. Well Gov. Bush did a good thing by making it tougher on drunk drivers now drink and drive and you get a boot up your butt to show you the way. even if you get a lawyer and he gets you off the DUI you still loose your license for a year and you car seized if you refuse the breathalyzer. Only way around that is to have a blood test within one hour of refusing which will only help or break you >> Is that legal anywhere? > > I can drink and drive legally. If my blood alcohol level does not go above > a certain number. :) > In the state of Florida we have a no tolerance law .01 which means you > have one drink you are over the legal limit. If you are pulled over you [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > if no one else is involve up to and including 10,000 in fines or more > depending on the county and the severity of your influence. Are you sure this isn't a typo? I looked it up and it appears that Florida has the same .08 rule as California and most other states. There is a zero tolerance rule for drivers under 21 as any alcohol and they lose their license until they are 21. I wonder because even some cold meds will produce a .01 as well as you could register a .01 for quite some time after having a drink. (And no I'm not advocating drinking and driving) Jo >>>>>I made a tuna/asparagus/cheese pie topped with mashed potato today for >>>>>my dinner tonight. Kitty sat on the arm of my chair begrudging me [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > > Tweed She sounds like a sweetie anyway. And lucky to find a home that understood. Jo >>I made a tuna/asparagus/cheese pie topped with mashed potato today for my >>dinner tonight. Kitty sat on the arm of my chair begrudging me every [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Jo How about 4 of them carrying off a cooked ham together. I had to put a lock on the frig and the pantries where the food is. I spoil the cats the WOMEN!!!! of the house let them get away with bloody murder. I have to put them in their room and lock the door when we have guest they play tag team who can distract the human while one grabs the food. Little devils except for Rumble he jumps up puts his paw out onto my arm looks at the food if I ignore him he does it again with the claws like ignore me again and it will hurt BY THE GODS I LOVE BEING A CAT SLAVE > You could always give her a bit in her own dish if you don't want her > begging. Then I've never had the problems with cats begging that you can > get with dogs. At least I've never had a cat steal an entire loaf of bread > off the counter. Caliban has been known to unwrap a loaf of bread from a paper bag and eat about half of it before I realised what he was doing. I thought the crackling sound was him playing with his mylar ball. I put bread away in a cupboard these days. SignatureMarina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki. Stories and pics at http://koti.welho.com/mkurten/ Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki > Caliban has been known to unwrap a loaf of bread from a paper bag and eat > about half of it before I realised what he was doing. Eli has done that. And last night Abelard ripped open a bag of puffed wheat. >I made a tuna/asparagus/cheese pie topped with mashed potato today for my >dinner tonight. Kitty sat on the arm of my chair begrudging me every [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Tweed No, indeed, Christina. You are not too strict. You make sense. Don't feel guilty. I eat surrounded by cats circling like sharks, and it's because I'm so silly. My cats are really especially well-behaved boys, and they don't do many destructive or rude things, so there are some things I just let them get away with. Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com Make Levees, Not War > >I would never allow my dogs to beg for the food I was eating, it's such bad > >manners so I apply the same rule to my cats. Do you think this is > >unreasonable? I was a little bit tempted to give her some, but it's > >probably a bad idea. No, I think you're justified. Human food isn't nutritionally balanced for her and you don't want her to get into the habit of begging at the table. The only one of ours to get offered human food is Smokey, because of the time he spent in the wild scamming food off people. If we don't share ham, he can scream loud enough to annoy the neighbours and he'll flip out and start climbing up us/screaming/running into things/generally being a psycho. However, one bite of ham is enough to shut him up, and we can eat the rest of our sandwich in peace. It's more about him knowing we'd feed him if he needed it, than it is about him demanding to eat all our food. --Fil > The only one of ours to get offered human food is Smokey, because of > the time he spent in the wild scamming food off people. If we don't [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > more about him knowing we'd feed him if he needed it, than it is about > him demanding to eat all our food. Poor Smokey! He's had a tough life. He might be on Easy Street now, but sometimes he doesn't seem to know it, does he? I'm glad you give him a little bit, just to reassure him that you're not going to let him go hungry. Purrs & scritches for the hungry boy. Joyce I think Smokey's greatest fear is that someday he will wake up, hungry, cold and dirty under a trailer in Belleville because the past four years were all a dream. If the occasional bite of ham can put him at ease, small price to pay. --Fil > Poor Smokey! He's had a tough life. He might be on Easy Street now, but > sometimes he doesn't seem to know it, does he? I'm glad you give him a > little bit, just to reassure him that you're not going to let him go > hungry. Purrs & scritches for the hungry boy. > > Joyce >I made a tuna/asparagus/cheese pie topped with mashed potato today for my >dinner tonight. Kitty sat on the arm of my chair begrudging me every [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > her paw out and swipe something off. It's always the meat that she runs > off with. Shmogg is mosty well behaved when it come sto food, mostly he'll just sit in a very obvious spot, sucking his gut in, and trying to do an impersonation of a poor starving kitty cat. The only thing he will reach out and try to snag is buttered toast, nothimg else. IBKFergus on the other hand would just get her nose into your plate and start helping herself if she smelled something she wanted. Nothing seemed to discourage her. Cary didn't help, he has to make sure everyone is fed the same stuff. Whether that be two or four foot, he'll offer something off his own plate to everyone in the house, and get most upset if what is offered isn't eaten. I've noticed Fluffy is geting disticntly more fluffy recently, because of Cary's habit. So, to answer your question, no, ou aren't being too strict. You don't want to be fighting cats for your dinner like we were. Yoiwe > I would never allow my dogs to beg for the food I was eating, it's such bad > manners so I apply the same rule to my cats. Do you think this is > unreasonable? I was a little bit tempted to give her some, but it's > probably a bad idea./// My dog Bonnie is not allowed to beg for food, not allowed on the furniture, not allowed upstairs, has to do exactly what she is told, does not get tit bits, and is a happy healthy well behaved dog. My cats on the other hand, beg for food, steal off my plate (when I've finished), and are completely spoiled brats who rule the roost. I'm really not one to ask for advice. ;o) Helen M >> I would never allow my dogs to beg for the food I was eating, it's such >> bad [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > I'm really not one to ask for advice. ;o) <g> It is so easy with dogs which I've had all my life. I know exactly how to handle them and what to do. Cats are so very different that they make me confused. They always do exactly what they want to, whenever they want to and we are only just working towards a solution where I don't want them to do it and they'll take notice and stop. Tweed >I made a tuna/asparagus/cheese pie topped with mashed potato today for my >dinner tonight. Kitty sat on the arm of my chair begrudging me every [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > her paw out and swipe something off. It's always the meat that she runs > off with. The greatest hoomin-food beggar in my house is Abelard, and he likes almost anything I may be eating. I usually give him a bite if it's something I don't already know that he likes, to avoid waste. I am always willing to share my food with the kitties and usually will prepare a little extra so I can give them some - especially if any kind of seafood or meat is involved, although they all love corn and Abelard likes most vegetables. I figure there's no harm in it, it's just a few bites, and it makes them so happy when I share. But I make them ask politely, i.e. from the floor and patiently. > I made a tuna/asparagus/cheese pie topped with mashed potato today for my > dinner tonight. Kitty sat on the arm of my chair begrudging me every > mouthful. Yum! I'm quite fond of tuna, asparagus, and cheese, and I think they'd go wonderfully together. I'm going to have to give that a try. I really have quite a weakness for asparagus. > I really have quite a weakness for asparagus. So does Abelard. He once ate the entire contents of a can of it. >> I really have quite a weakness for asparagus. > > So does Abelard. He once ate the entire contents of a can of it. I didn't know asparagus come in cans. > I made a tuna/asparagus/cheese pie topped with mashed potato today > for my dinner tonight. Kitty sat on the arm of my chair begrudging [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Tweed No, you are doing what is right! Unfortunately, DH & I don't have the willpower to say no to any begging kitties. Barney comes runnin every time we open the fridge, leaps up onto the island and /screams/ for food. Mostly what he wants is *cheez*!!!! Man, he loves that stuff! That's what it sounds like he's saying, too: "*CHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZ*" He's so cute when he does it, we usually give in. and the other cats see this and now whenever we eat, we have at least 5 (usually more) fuzzy piranha trying to get into our plates. I swear they even team up! Shove one away and move your fork out of his/her reach, and there's another one right there waiting! )(&(*& buggars! But ya gotta love em. > Mostly what he wants is *cheez*!!!! Man, he loves that stuff! That's what > it sounds like he's saying, too: "*CHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZ*" I wish at least one of my owners liked cheese. I don't, but I thought they might, so I bought some, and none of them will touch it. >> Mostly what he wants is *cheez*!!!! Man, he loves that stuff! >> That's what it sounds like he's saying, too: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > thought they might, so I bought some, and none of them will touch > it. Oscar won't eat cheese, either. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > Unfortunately, DH & I don't have the willpower to say no to any begging > kitties. Barney comes runnin every time we open the fridge, leaps up onto > the island and /screams/ for food. Mostly what he wants is *cheez*!!!! > Man, he loves that stuff! That's what it sounds like he's saying, too: > "*CHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZ*" Caliban jumps *into* the fridge to check out what's on the menu today. ;o) SignatureMarina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki. Stories and pics at http://koti.welho.com/mkurten/ Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki >Caliban jumps *into* the fridge to check out what's on the menu today. ;o) I always find this an amusing picture. *Into* the fridge? Where? Every shelf on my fridge is usually packed full. Where would a cat fit? Jane - owned and operated by Princess Rita > >Caliban jumps *into* the fridge to check out what's on the menu today. ;o) > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Jane > - owned and operated by Princess Rita Mine is full now, but I remember a time, a few decades ago, when I accidentally shut a kitten in the fridge. I had just closed it when my daughter, who was about five years old at the time, said, "Mama, Tawny is in the refrigerator." I didn't believe her, but I looked, and there he was, meatloafing on the bottom shelf. Joy > Mine is full now, but I remember a time, a few decades ago, when I > accidentally shut a kitten in the fridge. I had just closed it when my [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Joy Our is usually full but Ranger still finds a way to climb in occasionally. He seems to love meatloafing on the bottom shelf as well. We have to be very careful to double check the fridge, the washer, the drier, and all cupboards and closets when closing them. Our bunch can't seem to get enough of exploring in things. >> Mine is full now, but I remember a time, a few decades ago, when I >> accidentally shut a kitten in the fridge. I had just closed it when my [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >drier, and all cupboards and closets when closing them. Our bunch can't >seem to get enough of exploring in things. When my family moved back to Nashville, Tennessee, in 1976, my father originally refused to have an air conditioner in the house. He was skinny and got cold easily. He eventually changed his mind when his books started mildewing from the Nashville humidity. During our non-air-conditioned period, we adopted an injured stray kitten. Once she recovered, she was soon bouncing around the house. On one hot, sticky day, I opened the refrigerator and the kitten, Tinkerbelle, hopped in and curled up on top of a watermelon at the bottom of the refrigerator. She was rather disappointed when I removed her from her comfortably-cool perch. SignatureJohn F. Eldredge -- john@jfeldredge.com PGP key available from http://pgp.mit.edu "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria > Mine is full now, but I remember a time, a few decades ago, when I > accidentally shut a kitten in the fridge. I had just closed it when my > daughter, who was about five years old at the time, said, "Mama, Tawny is in > the refrigerator." I didn't believe her, but I looked, and there he was, > meatloafing on the bottom shelf. When I was a teenager a friend of mine had a beautiful Meezer called Shulmaneezer (That's how you said it I don't think that's how you spelt it) and they had a very old fridge with the type of handle that pulls down. Shul (as he was known) had worked out that if he leapt from the kitchen table and landed on top of the handle his weight would pull the handle down and then the door would open...This meant he could climb in, take eggs from the egg rack and drop them on the floor....Very nice as he happened to adore raw egg. My friend's mum was getting quite exasperated at the number of times she would come into the kitchen to find the fridge door wide open and either a load of broken eggshells or Shul enjoying his treat! He was sorta cured when for some unknown reason the door shut and left him locked in the fridge. Now of course being a Meezer he was not shortcharged in the vocal department and yowled for help. Everyone was going "Where's Shul? I can hear him but where he is?" for ages until her mum opened the fridge door and this cold and peeved Meezer leapt out at her. She was so shocked she dropped the plate she was holding He was one of the first cats I ever fell in love with Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs >> Caliban jumps *into* the fridge to check out what's on the menu today. ;o) > > I always find this an amusing picture. *Into* the fridge? Where? Every > shelf on my fridge is usually packed full. Where would a cat fit? Oh, Caliban is not deterred by such mere practicalities. He doesn't mind knocking down stuff to fit himself in. ;o) Nobbut, seriously, he fits into the space left for the door - think of a fridge door. It is pretty thick, and when you open it, it leaves a good space for a little kittyboy to jump up and check out the food. SignatureMarina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki. Stories and pics at http://koti.welho.com/mkurten/ Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki >I made a tuna/asparagus/cheese pie topped with mashed potato today for my >dinner tonight. Kitty sat on the arm of my chair begrudging me every [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Tweed We're pretty weak when it comes to kitty whims. Cali was never much of a people food cat, but with Smokey's persistent mooching, she does show more of an interest. Cleo does not seem to care much about people food at all, although she's starting to come around. The one exception is her 7:30 cream (tea time). Of course Smokey must have her noon time cheddar. No, we are not trained! >>I made a tuna/asparagus/cheese pie topped with mashed potato today for my >>dinner tonight. Kitty sat on the arm of my chair begrudging me every [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > No, we are not trained! If it quacks like a duck walks like a duck it is a duck stop denying it we are all trained well and serve our masters > I made a tuna/asparagus/cheese pie topped with mashed potato today for my > dinner tonight. YUM!!!! Asparagus and mashed potato are two of my favourite foods and I also adore cheese!!! And as for tuna......(This is cruel I'm sitting at my desk with a cheese roll at the moment and thinking of mashed potato, lots of butter.....Drool) > She will already occasionally creep up beside me when I am eating and put > her paw out and swipe something off. It's always the meat that she runs off > with. Speedy Joe (RB) was terrible for that, he'd snatch food off your plate while you were eating or even grab it from the fork as you were about to put it in your mouth- he misjudged once and bit my lip. He would also steal food from worktops Isis and Fugazi (Both RB) liked certain Hoomin foods and if they were on the menu then they would sit and watch you eat them intensly but they knew not to jump up and that if they did not then yes, we would save them some Redunzel and Sarrasine don't seem particularly interested in Hoomin food even prawns so they don't beg. Apart from ham...They love the stuff. But you can't just take it out of the fridge and put it in their bowl if you do they don't want it. You have to start eating it yourself , preferably whilst making loud "Hmmmm" noises and saying things like "This is the best ham ever" then Redunzel will come and tap you on the leg to remind you that two very alert hopeful looking felines would like your attention, please oh and a bit of that nice ham would not be unappreciated Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs > I made a tuna/asparagus/cheese pie topped with mashed potato today for my > dinner tonight. Kitty sat on the arm of my chair begrudging me every [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Tweed Well, she *is* an old lady now. You might give her a bit now and again. If she *really* wants it. Just a taste mind. But, then again, I'm a terrible softy. > I made a tuna/asparagus/cheese pie topped with mashed potato today for my > dinner tonight. Kitty sat on the arm of my chair begrudging me every > mouthful. Hey Tweed, recipe or explanation please? That sounds absolutely terrific! Those are all ingredients that my whole family (furry and not) loves! I usually am a stovetop cook, so even telling me temperature and lenght of baking such a pie would help. (I'm in Centigrade too.) Emma is going to be watching this site for the recipe. Then she's going to help me make it (jump up, hit tuna can onto floor, lick chops, watch me get another tuna can out). Hungry, Cantate > I made a tuna/asparagus/cheese pie topped with mashed potato today for my > dinner tonight. Kitty sat on the arm of my chair begrudging me every > mouthful. <snip> > Tweed This sounds delicious! Could you please post the recipe, Christina? Best wishes, Polonca and Soncek >> I made a tuna/asparagus/cheese pie topped with mashed potato today for my >> dinner tonight. Kitty sat on the arm of my chair begrudging me every [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Best wishes, > Polonca and Soncek You can use tinned tuna, fresh is a waste for this. Peel plenty of potatoes and boil them for 15-20 minutes, drain and mash adding some butter and milk and put aside. Make some cheese sauce (either from a packet or make it yourself, doesn't matter.) If you are using fresh asparagus like I did boil it up while you are making the cheese sauce, it doesn't take long to cook, or use a tin of it (I don't have experience with tinned though) Put the tuna in the bottom of the dish, pour on the cheese sauce and when it's settled lie the asparagus on top. Top it with the mashed potato, fluffed up by a fork and bake in the oven for 20 minutes-ish until the top is browned. Serve with vegetables of your choice. Tweed >>> I made a tuna/asparagus/cheese pie topped with mashed potato today for >>> my dinner tonight. Kitty sat on the arm of my chair begrudging me every [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Tweed It always amazes me what the British will eat (and the Scots eat *haggis*!!!). ;> I shouldn't talk though, coming from New Orleans I routinely ate crawfish (mud bugs - and sucked the heads), alligator, gar fish, frogs' legs, among other things. SignatureHugs, CatNipped See all my masters at: http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped/ >>>> I made a tuna/asparagus/cheese pie topped with mashed potato today for >>>> my dinner tonight. Kitty sat on the arm of my chair begrudging me [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > routinely ate crawfish (mud bugs - and sucked the heads), alligator, gar > fish, frogs' legs, among other things. Hey Catnipped everyone loves to suck a little head eat a little tail ;-) > Hey Catnipped everyone loves to suck a little head eat a little tail > ;-) !! Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > It always amazes me what the British will eat ?? It sounds a very tasty everyday supper to me, nothing to be amazed about. Deb. Signaturehttp://www.scientific-art.com "He looked a fierce and quarrelsome cat, but claw he never would; He only bit the ones he loved, because they tasted good." S. Greenfield >> It always amazes me what the British will eat > > ?? It sounds a very tasty everyday supper to me, nothing to be amazed > about. > > Deb. British and Cajun cuisines are *worlds* apart! ;> SignatureHugs, CatNipped See all my masters at: http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped/ >>> I made a tuna/asparagus/cheese pie topped with mashed potato today for >>> my dinner tonight. Kitty sat on the arm of my chair begrudging me every [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Tweed Tweed I saw earlier you talked about adding onion mix sprinkled to the top before it is baked. FOR EVERYONE'S FYI if you add onion mix to this don't let the furballs have any or lick the pan. If anyone does not know onions can be potentially poisonous to the furballs. I believe onion and onion powder can cause anemia in cats http://www.hsus.org/pets/pet_care/protect_your_pet_from_common_household_dangers /foods_potentially_poisonous_to_pets.html >>> I made a tuna/asparagus/cheese pie topped with mashed potato today for >>> my dinner tonight. Kitty sat on the arm of my chair begrudging me [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Tweed This sounds great to me! Thanks for the recipe, Tweed, and I'll try it as soon as school is finished for the year-- this coming Friday is graduation---Yippee! Then I'll have time to do some oven-baked things! Cantate > You can use tinned tuna, fresh is a waste for this. > Peel plenty of potatoes and boil them for 15-20 minutes, drain and mash [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Tweed Thanks for the recipe, Christina! Best wishes, Polonca and Soncek > You can use tinned tuna, fresh is a waste for this. Peel plenty of > potatoes and boil them for 15-20 minutes, drain and mash adding [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > fork and bake in the oven for 20 minutes-ish until the top is > browned. Serve with vegetables of your choice. Do you chop the asparagus into pieces? I'm imagining this with the entire length of asparagus, but then I can't envision how to eat it. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca >> You can use tinned tuna, fresh is a waste for this. Peel plenty of >> potatoes and boil them for 15-20 minutes, drain and mash adding [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Do you chop the asparagus into pieces? I'm imagining this with the > entire length of asparagus, but then I can't envision how to eat it. Yes, I did chop it up, but the poor sad asparagus we get in "lengths" here wouldn't have been too long to put in across the pie. Tweed |
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