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Kreisleriana - 21 May 2006 04:02 GMT
In case you hadn't heard, the horse Barbaro, who was favored to win
today's Preakness Stakes, broke his leg in two places during the race
earlier.  These injuries are extremely serious for these horses, and
often end up in the horse being sent prematurely to the RB.  Please
get your purrs up and running for this wonderful, courageous animal.

Theresa
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W. Leong - 21 May 2006 04:40 GMT
> In case you hadn't heard, the horse Barbaro, who was favored to win
> today's Preakness Stakes, broke his leg in two places during the race
> earlier.  These injuries are extremely serious for these horses, and
> often end up in the horse being sent prematurely to the RB.  Please
> get your purrs up and running for this wonderful, courageous animal.

I saw it on the news. Poor Barbaro. He must be in pain, limping like that.
I asked Rusty to  purr for a speedy recovery.

Winnie

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> Make Levees, Not War
Karen - 21 May 2006 04:46 GMT
> In case you hadn't heard, the horse Barbaro, who was favored to win
> today's Preakness Stakes, broke his leg in two places during the race
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>
> Make Levees, Not War

I've lit a candle. It was so very sad. He is being a good patient but
that is a very very bad injury. I too would appreciate purrs for
Barbaro.
Jeanne Hedge - 22 May 2006 04:09 GMT
>> In case you hadn't heard, the horse Barbaro, who was favored to win
>> today's Preakness Stakes, broke his leg in two places during the race
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>that is a very very bad injury. I too would appreciate purrs for
>Barbaro.

We were watching the race, and you were one of the first people I
thought about when I saw it, Karen.

It all seemed to be strange for him on Saturday. What was up with them
trying to saddle him while walking him around? And than breaking
through the starting gate prematurely.  (I was glad (if you can be in
this situation) to hear that that had nothing to do with the injury)

Purrs for Barbaro to not have damaged the blood supply to his leg, to
cooperate with his treatment, and to have a grand career at stud.

Jeanne Hedge, as directed by Natasha

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Karen - 22 May 2006 04:19 GMT
>>> In case you hadn't heard, the horse Barbaro, who was favored to win
>>> today's Preakness Stakes, broke his leg in two places during the race
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> It all seemed to be strange for him on Saturday. What was up with them
> trying to saddle him while walking him around?

He acts up in the stalls when sadled. He is what they call "girthy".
Doesn't like it when the tighten the girth. Keeps him calmer to walk
around.

> And than breaking
> through the starting gate prematurely.  (I was glad (if you can be in
> this situation) to hear that that had nothing to do with the injury)

That happens a lot. It isn't unusual except in a big race like that. It
happens and usually they just load them up again, just like they did.
It is unfortunatley almost always a sure bet they won't win. I know I
thought that was it as far as his chances of winning went, but it was
certainly a bad omen. They get all messed up in the head when they
break through and have kicked off a burst of energy. The vet that was
present is certain that it had nothing to do with the injury, but I am
certain people will never stop wondering. I don't think it did because
the injury was a freak type of break. People on my horse boards say
that is more like what happens if they get kicked. Watching the head
on, I think his hind got jostled and it made him take a bad step. You
know like when you go to step into a shoe and you slip and your ankle
goes sideways? That's what it looks like to me. But people will hash
over that one forever. Most importantly and helpfully, Edgar got him
stopped and Barbaro completely cooperated from there on out, not
putting weight on it, not freaking. He behaved extremely intelligently
which helped him about a million percent.

> Purrs for Barbaro to not have damaged the blood supply to his leg, to
> cooperate with his treatment, and to have a grand career at stud.

We just have to keep hoping and purring. It'll take months to heal, but
let's hope it does. He's quite a class act.

> Jeanne Hedge, as directed by Natasha
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Christine Burel - 22 May 2006 20:02 GMT
> >>> In case you hadn't heard, the horse Barbaro, who was favored to win
> >>> today's Preakness Stakes, broke his leg in two places during the race
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> > ============
> > http://www.jhedge.com

Been following Barbaro's story and we're all sending get well purrs for
him -- poor baby.
Christine
mlbriggs - 21 May 2006 06:27 GMT
> In case you hadn't heard, the horse Barbaro, who was favored to win
> today's Preakness Stakes, broke his leg in two places during the race
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Make Levees, Not War

Have been and shall continue to purr for Barbaro.  I wonder why nature
designed such slender legs for such a large animal?   MLB
W. Leong - 21 May 2006 12:37 GMT
> Have been and shall continue to purr for Barbaro.  I wonder why nature
> designed such slender legs for such a large animal?   MLB

I have been thinking of the same thing. There must be lots on pressure for
those legs
to support such a heavy body.

Winnie
Karen - 21 May 2006 17:36 GMT
Surgery has begun and is expected to take about 2 hours. More purrs.
mlbriggs - 21 May 2006 18:46 GMT
> Surgery has begun and is expected to take about 2 hours. More purrs.

Sending purrs that he will live to sire a Derby Winner!  MLB
Joy - 21 May 2006 22:23 GMT
Purrs are on the way.

Joy

> Surgery has begun and is expected to take about 2 hours. More purrs.
Shiral - 22 May 2006 01:19 GMT
I think I'm grateful cats have paws rather than hooves.  Especially
when I get cats galloping over me in the middle of the night.

But you're right, it does seem like a design flaw in horses. Although
most of the time, their legs seem to serve them well. But as a veteran
of having a horse step on my feet, more than once for each foot, I can
definitely say it hurts.

Melissa
John F. Eldredge - 22 May 2006 01:42 GMT
>I think I'm grateful cats have paws rather than hooves.  Especially
>when I get cats galloping over me in the middle of the night.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>of having a horse step on my feet, more than once for each foot, I can
>definitely say it hurts.

When Cinders decides to gallop from one end of the house to the other,
it sometimes sounds like she has hooves.  I sometimes marvel how an
animal that can move so silently can also make so much noise when she
is in the mood for it.

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Wayne Mitchell - 22 May 2006 14:59 GMT
>When Cinders decides to gallop from one end of the house to the other,
>it sometimes sounds like she has hooves.  I sometimes marvel how an
>animal that can move so silently can also make so much noise when she
>is in the mood for it.

Mine can sound like that on thickly carpeted stairs.  It truly
amazes me.
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Katrina - 22 May 2006 02:48 GMT
> I think I'm grateful cats have paws rather than hooves.  Especially
> when I get cats galloping over me in the middle of the night.
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>
> Melissa

It's not a design flaw, it's an evolutionary compromise...  Horses have
evolved to have feet and legs adapted for high speed running.  Their
fingers and toes have been reduced in number (essentially, they walk on
the tips of their middle finger/toe, the others have been lost). Their
eyes are on the sides of their heads so that they have good peripheral
vision, but they only have stereoscopic right in the middle of their
field of vision (they have enough depth perception so they can judge
distance when they jump), but not on the sides. Since they can't judge
distance except right in front of them, they can't tell if something
coming at them from the side is small and close by or large and far
away. They are prey animals- they need to know when something is
sneaking up on them, and their first instinct when they see something
they don't know is to run...  run FAST!!  RUN AS FAST AND AS FAR AS
THEY CAN!!!

Katrina

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Kreisleriana - 22 May 2006 15:36 GMT
>I think I'm grateful cats have paws rather than hooves.  Especially
>when I get cats galloping over me in the middle of the night.
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>
>Melissa

Yes, that hurts.   I've had them step on my feet, and also chew on my
hair, and that was when they *liked* me. ;)

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Karen - 22 May 2006 16:45 GMT
> >I think I'm grateful cats have paws rather than hooves.  Especially
> >when I get cats galloping over me in the middle of the night.
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> Yes, that hurts.   I've had them step on my feet, and also chew on my
> hair, and that was when they *liked* me. ;)

He is trying to bite people today. This is a good thing. He is eating and
interested in nearby mare patients. Hopefully things will stay this way.
Have you seen the xrays? It truly will be a miracle if he lives.

http://www.vet.upenn.edu/newsandevents/news/BarbaroPhotos.htm

Whew.
Kreisleriana - 22 May 2006 17:07 GMT
>> >I think I'm grateful cats have paws rather than hooves.  Especially
>> >when I get cats galloping over me in the middle of the night.
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>He is trying to bite people today. This is a good thing. He is eating and
>interested in nearby mare patients.

Whoa!  That *is* a good thing.  He sounds like a rock star. ;)

Purrs that he stays feisty, but no too feisty.

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Wayne Mitchell - 22 May 2006 04:41 GMT
>I wonder why nature
>designed such slender legs for such a large animal?

It's all about speed.  Running requires lots of upper leg and
chest musculature, plus lots of room for heart and lungs; but
lower legs and feet have to be light and quick to move.
Thoroughbreds are particularly vulnerable, because they're bred
to be almost caricatures of that conformation.
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Kreisleriana - 22 May 2006 15:51 GMT
>>I wonder why nature
>>designed such slender legs for such a large animal?
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>Thoroughbreds are particularly vulnerable, because they're bred
>to be almost caricatures of that conformation.

If you're used to "real" horses, and you suddenly encounter
Thoroughbreds, they can almost look freakish.  I frequenly visit a
stable near me (I am lucky!), and the horses look just like a
cross-section of people.  Shorties, tallies, fatties, skinnies, all
colors, mostly pretty agreeable, some goofballs, some crankies, some
smarties, some dummies. ;)

Then you look at Thoroughbreds, and they look like supermodels, or
ballet dancers, or basketball players. ;)  But like supermodels,
ballet dancers and basketball players, they are almost mesmerizing to
watch.  It's not only their physical beauty and strength, they seem to
have tremendous presence and charisma.  

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Karen - 22 May 2006 18:10 GMT
> >>I wonder why nature
> >>designed such slender legs for such a large animal?
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> watch.  It's not only their physical beauty and strength, they seem to
> have tremendous presence and charisma.

I love your descriptions. Do you just visit or do you ride? Or just do
petting therapy (man, sometimes, all I want is to smell or pet a horse and
it would satisfy me.)
Kreisleriana - 22 May 2006 18:47 GMT
>> >>I wonder why nature
>> >>designed such slender legs for such a large animal?
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>petting therapy (man, sometimes, all I want is to smell or pet a horse and
>it would satisfy me.)

I hear ya.  I think a horse's company is vastly underrated-- it's not
always necessary to ride them, you can just walk around with them,
too. ;)  And then you can be face-to face with them, and see their
eyes (and get stepped on, and drooled on, and get your hair chewed on
;))

I don't ride very often, as it's kind of a luxury, but I visit them
at least one morning a week.  If I get to a place where I have more
entertainment $$, I'd definitely ride more.

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Monique Y. Mudama - 22 May 2006 19:24 GMT
>  I don't ride very often, as it's kind of a luxury, but I visit them
>  at least one morning a week.  If I get to a place where I have more
>  entertainment $$, I'd definitely ride more.

I was enthralled by horses and riding when I was a kid.  Always wanted
a horse.  Now I know that I would never have time enough for a horse,
nevermind the resource issue.

Riding is fun, but I think nowadays I'd rather rub their noses and
feed them carrots (not that I've gotten to hang out with a horse in
years).  Riding turns them into transportation, but they're so much
more than that.

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Karen - 22 May 2006 20:14 GMT
> >  I don't ride very often, as it's kind of a luxury, but I visit them
> >  at least one morning a week.  If I get to a place where I have more
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> years).  Riding turns them into transportation, but they're so much
> more than that.

Oh, but I don't think so. My lesson mare seems to really (well, usually)
enjoy the "games" we do. Having a job makes her less cranky. At first she
may be chargy and snorty and we just do little game things and stuff and she
responds. Of course she wants her buddies and to go back out, but I don't
see her much and when we have a good lesson, I've even had her nuzzle my
shoulder, like "ya done good" (and she is a bit stand offish). There is
another mare I have ridden and I was so surprised when after one lesson my
instructor said to turn her out in the arena and when I took her lead off,
she followed me like there was an invisible string between my shoulder and
hers. Bear in mind, I've ridden the horse all of twice, but it was a
particularly good lesson. My instructor laughed and said she was bonding.
What, after a one hour lesson? So, I think they really enjoy it too.
Monique Y. Mudama - 23 May 2006 06:03 GMT
> Oh, but I don't think so. My lesson mare seems to really (well,
> usually) enjoy the "games" we do. Having a job makes her less
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> have a good lesson, I've even had her nuzzle my shoulder, like "ya
> done good" (and she is a bit stand offish).

Yeah, that's a good point.  I have only ridden horses in fairly boring
scenarios; as a girl I eagerly read books about girls who had quarter
horses and did barrel races and whatnot, but I only ever rode horses
in supervised lesson-type surroundings.

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Jo Firey - 23 May 2006 07:52 GMT
>> Oh, but I don't think so. My lesson mare seems to really (well,
>> usually) enjoy the "games" we do. Having a job makes her less
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> horses and did barrel races and whatnot, but I only ever rode horses
> in supervised lesson-type surroundings.

When I turned eighteen, I signed up for riding lessons.  By mother wouldn't
allow it when I was younger.  I only rode for about a year but I'm so glad I
had that.  Even managed to take one decent jump.  Ok it wasn't my idea, but
a horse that was eager to get back in the barn and taking a shortcut across
the ring.  I was at least able to go out on trail rides in Rock Creek Park
by myself and it is such a nice memory.  That and getting to see the
gorgeous Park Service horses that were stabled where I took lessons.

Forty years ago and I still remember how great it was.

Jo
Monique Y. Mudama - 23 May 2006 16:37 GMT
> When I turned eighteen, I signed up for riding lessons.  By mother
> wouldn't allow it when I was younger.  I only rode for about a year
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>
> Forty years ago and I still remember how great it was.

I was going to ask why your mom wouldn't allow it, but I'm guessing
the world was a lot different 40+ years ago.

I remember when I was maybe 7 or 8, I was on a trail ride at a riding
camp in Germany.  We were riding Western saddle.  Anyway, the camp
staff decided one of the horses needed some extra exercise, and they
had her trot on ahead.  My favorite horse, Manolito, would have none
of that -- galloped full steam ahead to catch up with her.  I lost the
reins and thanked providence for the pommel.

My other experience with a full gallop was also at that camp.  I was
used to riding the aforementioned Manolito, who as I recall required
an ... assertive thump to get him moving.  For whatever reason, I
switched to riding the pony that day, don't recall his name.  Being
used to Manolito, I gave the pony a hard thump with my heel to move up
to a trot ... and the poor frightened guy shot right across the
circle.  I feel really bad about that one.  I guess he didn't need
quite the same amount of effort.  (Manolito was also one of the
tallest horses there ... it occurs to me, thinking back, that I only
needed to "thump" hard on him because my legs probably barely came
down his sides at all.)

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Kreisleriana - 23 May 2006 16:49 GMT
>> When I turned eighteen, I signed up for riding lessons.  By mother
>> wouldn't allow it when I was younger.  I only rode for about a year
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>of that -- galloped full steam ahead to catch up with her.  I lost the
>reins and thanked providence for the pommel.

Oh Manolito! LOL!

>My other experience with a full gallop was also at that camp.  I was
>used to riding the aforementioned Manolito, who as I recall required
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>needed to "thump" hard on him because my legs probably barely came
>down his sides at all.)

I'm sorry I'm laughing, but the stories remind me of any number of
bastard horse tricks.  ;)

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Monique Y. Mudama - 23 May 2006 17:14 GMT
>  I'm sorry I'm laughing, but the stories remind me of any number of
>  bastard horse tricks.  ;)

That's okay -- I'm laughing, too!

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Karen - 23 May 2006 17:22 GMT
> >  I'm sorry I'm laughing, but the stories remind me of any number of
> >  bastard horse tricks.  ;)
>
> That's okay -- I'm laughing, too!

Gad that is funny. Yes, horses are as good as cats at playing bastard
tricks. Even the sleeping one. I know a number of people who have been made
to believe their horse was lying dead when it was just napping and wouldn't
respond to calling.
Jo Firey - 23 May 2006 18:04 GMT
>> When I turned eighteen, I signed up for riding lessons.  By mother
>> wouldn't allow it when I was younger.  I only rode for about a year
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> I was going to ask why your mom wouldn't allow it, but I'm guessing
> the world was a lot different 40+ years ago.

She was just afraid I'd get hurt.  Same reason she didn't want my brother on
a motorcycle.

I can't swim worth a damn either.

All of my kids and nieces and nephews and grandkids have had extensive
swimming lessons and enough riding lessons to know their way around a horse.
Courtesy of yours truly.   I figure competence outranks fear every time.

Jo
Monique Y. Mudama - 23 May 2006 18:15 GMT
>> I was going to ask why your mom wouldn't allow it, but I'm guessing
>> the world was a lot different 40+ years ago.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> way around a horse.  Courtesy of yours truly.   I figure competence
> outranks fear every time.

Absolutely.  I agree 100%.

That's the reason I decided to join DH when he took the MSF class (the
class that teaches you motorcycle riding basics and safety).  I
figured it was a good skill to have, "just in case."  Turns out I
liked it enough to get my own motorcycle.

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Cheryl Perkins - 23 May 2006 19:50 GMT
> She was just afraid I'd get hurt.  Same reason she didn't want my brother on
> a motorcycle.

> I can't swim worth a damn either.

> All of my kids and nieces and nephews and grandkids have had extensive
> swimming lessons and enough riding lessons to know their way around a horse.
> Courtesy of yours truly.   I figure competence outranks fear every time.

I would have loved to learn to ride a horse, but the activity simply
wasn't available when I was growing up. I did get to perch on the back of
one on every one of the few times we were on vacations somewhere that
offered trail rides or children's pony rides. There was one summer when I
was adult, earned enought to pay for lessons, and had the time and access
to lessons that I took a few riding lessons, which I enjoyed.

But we learned to swim. My parents thought that was an essential survival
skill as well as being good exercise and lots of fun, and we had lakes and
a pool available in the summer, so we were all in the water from early on
and had lessons as well.

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dnr - 23 May 2006 20:24 GMT
>> She was just afraid I'd get hurt.  Same reason she didn't want my brother
>> on
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> and had lessons as well.
> Cheryl

My kids learned to swim while literally babies....AFAIC a *must* for
parents to make sure of, living in s.FL. All 4 stepbrothers/sister of my
youngest were lifeguards at local pools; water is always very near in
that area, just waiting for anyone to fall in, for whatever reason.
Howard C. Berkowitz - 23 May 2006 20:28 GMT
> > She was just afraid I'd get hurt.  Same reason she didn't want my brother on
> > a motorcycle.
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> was adult, earned enought to pay for lessons, and had the time and access
> to lessons that I took a few riding lessons, which I enjoyed.

My limited experience with the beasts convinced me that they are large scaly
carnivores that breathe fire at both ends.

My first wife, an experienced rider, convinced me to go on a trail ride with
what the stable assured us was a gentle horse. Luckily, another experienced
friend was there to give advice, as my ex galloped away.

In Washington DC's Rock Creek Park, the horse seemed to want to play chicken
with assorted cars on roads we crossed.  After one close encounter of the
Volkswagen kind, I resolved to avoid accidents. As the next car approached,
I pulled on the reins and said "whoa, horse," to no effect.

It occurred to me that my ex had told me that the English school of riding
pronounced it whoa-ah. That didn't work, nor did "HEY HORSE! STOP!"
Recognizing that the reins had no effect, I put myself in the proper zone
for tae kwon do, and delivered an edge of hand kite behind one ear. THAT got
his attention. He made an ominous noise, but stopped.

I fully expected him to try to brush me off on the next low-hanging branch,
which he did.   I'll stay with gasoline-burning mounts.
dnr - 23 May 2006 20:41 GMT
> My limited experience with the beasts convinced me that they are large
> scaly
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> branch,
> which he did.   I'll stay with gasoline-burning mounts.

ROFL. I'm slightly less afraid of horses than cows, but I think horses
are smarter; I used to feed watermelon chunks to a friend's show
horses (her daughter dressed up and rode them in that stuff you see
on tv where they jump obstacles and things; the horses themselves
were not "show" but they were trained to step fancy and do those
tricks) from arm's length...but it didn't lessen my fear of them.
They loved watermelons.
W. Leong - 23 May 2006 22:04 GMT
> ROFL. I'm slightly less afraid of horses than cows, but I think horses
> are smarter; I used to feed watermelon chunks to a friend's show
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> tricks) from arm's length...but it didn't lessen my fear of them.
> They loved watermelons.

Do you mean show jumping or the other one the name of which I can't
remember? The one where the horse do steps sideways etc.
I love to watch show jumping on TV. There are many international show
jumping events in Alberta in a place the name of which I also can't
remember. Help Albertans, Susan ?!

Winnie

Winnie
dnr - 23 May 2006 22:29 GMT
> "dnr" <dnr@likeitiz.org> wrote in message
.>> ROFL. I'm slightly less afraid of horses than cows, but I think horses
>> are smarter; I used to feed watermelon chunks to a friend's show
>> horses (her daughter dressed up and rode them in that stuff you see
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> remember. Help Albertans, Susan ?!
> Winnie

Frankly, Winnie, I have NO idea what the horse did in the "show". All I
know is the friend's girls got all fixed up w/caps and riding clothes (the
horses had "clothes" too, same colors as the girls! - I dunno what that
was all about - and theses horses did NOT run wherever they were
going - little fancy things on their feet (the horses, not the girls) and
these people had a den full of prizes for whatever they and the horses
competed for.....I was never interested enough to attend one of their
contests, my friend was a coworker at the trauma center we worked at.
The girls actually loved the horses!
Monique Y. Mudama - 23 May 2006 22:52 GMT
> The girls actually loved the horses!

I thought all little girls loved horses!

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Marina - 25 May 2006 05:20 GMT
>> The girls actually loved the horses!
>
> I thought all little girls loved horses!

I guess I was a strange little girl, but I never cared for horses. My
sister took riding lessons for a few years, but I was never interested.
It was always just cats and only cats for me.

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dnr - 25 May 2006 07:23 GMT
>>> The girls actually loved the horses!
>> I thought all little girls loved horses!

> I guess I was a strange little girl, but I never cared for horses. My
> sister took riding lessons for a few years, but I was never interested. It
> was always just cats and only cats for me.
> Marina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki.

ROFL - all little girls don't love dolls, either. You know how some
kids have a horror thing about clowns? That's how I was about dolls
and this was *way* before the "Chuckie" movies series.
Actually, always liked horses better than dolls; I could probably have
slept good w/a horse in my bedroom.....but not a doll.
Monique Y. Mudama - 26 May 2006 04:46 GMT
> ROFL - all little girls don't love dolls, either. You know how some
> kids have a horror thing about clowns? That's how I was about dolls
> and this was *way* before the "Chuckie" movies series.  Actually,
> always liked horses better than dolls; I could probably have slept
> good w/a horse in my bedroom.....but not a doll.

I never liked dolls.  I was terrified, though, of a kid-sized clown
that one of my parents' friends made for me.  Stupid thing in my room
all the time.  *shudder*

Thanks, Poltergeist!

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Tanada - 26 May 2006 05:41 GMT
> ROFL - all little girls don't love dolls, either. You know how some
> kids have a horror thing about clowns? That's how I was about dolls
> and this was *way* before the "Chuckie" movies series.
> Actually, always liked horses better than dolls; I could probably have
> slept good w/a horse in my bedroom.....but not a doll.

LOL, when Mandy was a baby, Rob's parents sent her this toy called a
glow-worm.  It had a battery operated light inside that lit up the worm
when the stuffed toy was squeezed.  The moment Amanda saw it, she
freaked.  We couldn't understand it at first, but one of our adoptive
military boys pointed out that it was a Nuclear Worm and that Mandy was
smart to be afraid of it.  We removed the light system and stuffed old
clean nylons in it and she was happy.

Pam S.
Adrian A - 25 May 2006 09:20 GMT
>>> The girls actually loved the horses!
>>
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> sister took riding lessons for a few years, but I was never
> interested. It was always just cats and only cats for me.

I can't see anything strange about prefering cats. :-)
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Monique Y. Mudama - 23 May 2006 22:51 GMT
> Do you mean show jumping or the other one the name of which I can't
> remember? The one where the horse do steps sideways etc.  

Do you mean dressage?

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W. Leong - 23 May 2006 23:52 GMT
>> Do you mean show jumping or the other one the name of which I can't
>> remember? The one where the horse do steps sideways etc.
>
> Do you mean dressage?

Yes! Thanks Monique. That's the term I was trying to remember.

Winnie
dnr - 24 May 2006 00:32 GMT
> "Monique Y. Mudama"  wrote in message
>>> Do you mean show jumping or the other one the name of which I can't
>>> remember? The one where the horse do steps sideways etc.
>> Do you mean dressage?
> Yes! Thanks Monique. That's the term I was trying to remember.
> Winnie

There was plenty of "dressage" before they left the house, between what
the girls were wearing plus putting their colors on the horses. You have
me interested after all this time in what actually went on in that arena
or whatever it was they went to. Dancing horses? ROFL, maybe.
Those people were very kind, humored my fear of their prize pets,
and I never asked any questions about the competition; they had some
cats, too, that I was much more enthralled with, which hung out very
near the horses, and I was amazed the cats managed not to get stepped
on.
Monique Y. Mudama - 24 May 2006 05:42 GMT
>> "Monique Y. Mudama"  wrote in message
>>>> Do you mean show jumping or the other one the name of which I
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> out very near the horses, and I was amazed the cats managed not to
> get stepped on.

Er, no, that doesn't sound like dressage:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dressage

Cats are pretty common in horse barns, and I've never heard of one
being stepped on by a horse.  My toes, on the other hand ...

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Karen - 24 May 2006 17:28 GMT
He looks tired (to be expected) but I can't believe how good his
demenour is to allow that fussing.

http://www.vet.upenn.edu/newsandevents/news/BarbaroPhotos.htm

http://www.nbc10.com/news/9264992/detail.html
mlbriggs - 24 May 2006 17:56 GMT
> He looks tired (to be expected) but I can't believe how good his
> demenour is to allow that fussing.
>
> http://www.vet.upenn.edu/newsandevents/news/BarbaroPhotos.htm
>
> http://www.nbc10.com/news/9264992/detail.html

Keep the good news coming.  We shall continue our purrs for Barbaro.   MLB
Marina - 25 May 2006 05:23 GMT
> There was plenty of "dressage" before they left the house, between what
> the girls were wearing plus putting their colors on the horses. You have
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> near the horses, and I was amazed the cats managed not to get stepped
> on.

It never ceases to amaze me, when I think of it, that Nikki didn't get
stepped on. She was born in the back office of a stable, and she was the
first of the litter to venture out among the horses. Just think of that
tiny kitten, a few weeks old, among all those big hooves! Proves to me
that she was a fierce and extremely brave little cat from day one.

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W. Leong - 24 May 2006 00:12 GMT
> Do you mean show jumping or the other one the name of which I can't
> remember? The one where the horse do steps sideways etc.
> I love to watch show jumping on TV. There are many international show
> jumping events in Alberta in a place the name of which I also can't
> remember. Help Albertans, Susan ?!

I just remember the name of the place that hosts lots of international show
jumping is called Spruce Meadows in Alberta.

Winnie

> Winnie
Monique Y. Mudama - 23 May 2006 21:11 GMT
> In Washington DC's Rock Creek Park, the horse seemed to want to play
> chicken with assorted cars on roads we crossed.  After one close
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> I fully expected him to try to brush me off on the next low-hanging
> branch, which he did.   I'll stay with gasoline-burning mounts.

Horses know when they're dealing with an inexperienced rider.

You could always try a bicycle =)

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Kreisleriana - 23 May 2006 22:52 GMT
>> In Washington DC's Rock Creek Park, the horse seemed to want to play
>> chicken with assorted cars on roads we crossed.  After one close
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
>Horses know when they're dealing with an inexperienced rider.

And some are bored, and some are entertained. ;)

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Monique Y. Mudama - 23 May 2006 23:15 GMT
>>Horses know when they're dealing with an inexperienced rider.
>
> And some are bored, and some are entertained. ;)

I took horseback riding lessons once a week for a while in my early
teens.  We were of course supposed to keep the horse from eating grass
while they were working.

I guess at some point I got distracted and my horse began to eat
without me noticing.  I yanked on the reins, hard.  No response, munch
munch munch.  Okay, fine.  Yank on the reins even harder.

Down topples Monique, straight over the horse's neck and down to the
ground.  Good thing I was wearing a helmet.

Horse: munch, munch, munch.

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Kreisleriana - 23 May 2006 23:36 GMT
>>>Horses know when they're dealing with an inexperienced rider.
>>
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>
>Horse: munch, munch, munch.

And then they go back to the stable and laugh their a.ses off. ;)

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Kreisleriana - 23 May 2006 04:48 GMT
>>  I don't ride very often, as it's kind of a luxury, but I visit them
>>  at least one morning a week.  If I get to a place where I have more
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>years).  Riding turns them into transportation, but they're so much
>more than that.

Someone once said "There's nothing better for the inside of a man than
the outside of a horse." ;)

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Tanada - 22 May 2006 21:31 GMT
> If you're used to "real" horses, and you suddenly encounter
> Thoroughbreds, they can almost look freakish.  I frequenly visit a
> stable near me (I am lucky!), and the horses look just like a
> cross-section of people.  Shorties, tallies, fatties, skinnies, all
> colors, mostly pretty agreeable, some goofballs, some crankies, some
> smarties, some dummies. ;)

One of our friends has an Appaloosa stud farm, and I know what you mean.
 Their stallion, Apsalute, is almost terrifying in his presence.  You
just know that he's tops and want to get his autograph.  The same with
the brood mares on the ranch.  There are only three that live there full
time, but it feels like more because they have magnificent
personalities.  Then there are the two goof ball riding geldings, also
appaloosas, Noddy, and Clancy.  Noddy has presence, but a whacked sense
of humor and Clancy acts just like his name.  I'm not a horse person,
but even I can sense the awe that the horses inspire, compared to the
regular heinz 57 horses next door who are pretty but not that memorable.

Pam S.
Kreisleriana - 23 May 2006 01:25 GMT
>> If you're used to "real" horses, and you suddenly encounter
>> Thoroughbreds, they can almost look freakish.  I frequenly visit a
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>
>Pam S.

The story about Secretariat was after he was retired to stud, and
people came to see him, he would "strike a pose" for the cameras in
his paddock. ;)

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Karen - 23 May 2006 03:07 GMT
>>> If you're used to "real" horses, and you suddenly encounter
>>> Thoroughbreds, they can almost look freakish.  I frequenly visit a
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>
> Make Levees, Not War

Check out Afleet Alex when he sees me raise my camera.

First four pictures: He did not want to go into his stall and go away
from all the people who came to admire him the morning after the
Preakness. As you can see from the first three, he was not gonna go.
Then I lifted my camera one last time and he saw me. Check out that
fourth picture. Can we say "pose"?

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Kreisleriana - 23 May 2006 04:20 GMT
>>>> If you're used to "real" horses, and you suddenly encounter
>>>> Thoroughbreds, they can almost look freakish.  I frequenly visit a
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>
>http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/kchuplis/detail?.dir=/4398&.dnm=cc8c.jpg&.src=ph

Wow!  The supermodel analogy really holds. ;)

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Howard C. Berkowitz - 23 May 2006 05:09 GMT
> The story about Secretariat was after he was retired to stud, and
> people came to see him, he would "strike a pose" for the cameras in
> his paddock. ;)

He also was known to try to eat microphones.
Tanada - 21 May 2006 08:54 GMT
> In case you hadn't heard, the horse Barbaro, who was favored to win
> today's Preakness Stakes, broke his leg in two places during the race
> earlier.  These injuries are extremely serious for these horses, and
> often end up in the horse being sent prematurely to the RB.  Please
> get your purrs up and running for this wonderful, courageous animal.

Asking the owners to purr for him.  Rob is particularly upset about his,
more so than usual.  I've asked the owners to purr for his peace of mind
as well.

Pam S.
Adrian A - 21 May 2006 10:50 GMT
> In case you hadn't heard, the horse Barbaro, who was favored to win
> today's Preakness Stakes, broke his leg in two places during the race
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Theresa

Purrs for Barbaro, even if he doesn't race again I hope he can have a happy
retirement.
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Irulan - 21 May 2006 12:15 GMT
Yes, I was watching the replay and heard the news and was very shocked.
Purrs and prayers that he is ok and just put out to stud.
Lily & her mama

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>
> In case you hadn't heard, the horse Barbaro, who was favored to win
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>
> Make Levees, Not War
Gabey8 - 22 May 2006 00:36 GMT
I was watching the race with my husband. I realized after they showed the
replay that my eyes were producing a slow, steady flow of tears, which I
was wiping away one by one. :o(

Purrs and prayers that Barbaro pulls through. I read on the espn.com site
that most horses that suffer this severe of an injury are put down right
on the track. :o( I hope treatment is succesful, both for Barbaro's sake
and for the sake of other horses that might come after him. If they can
save Barbaro, it could be a blueprint for treatment of other horses in the
future.

I feel terrible that this happened to that poor horse. May he recover and
have a healthy retirement.

Donna, Captain, and Stanley
John F. Eldredge - 22 May 2006 01:14 GMT
>I was watching the race with my husband. I realized after they showed the
>replay that my eyes were producing a slow, steady flow of tears, which I
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>Donna, Captain, and Stanley

As I understand the process, a horse can't survive lying down for long
periods, so, if the leg can't be splinted, he may have to be suspended
from a sling for as long as it takes for the leg to heal.  I hope that
they will be able to use a splint or cast, as this would allow him
some mobility while the leg heals.

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Karen - 22 May 2006 02:22 GMT
>> I was watching the race with my husband. I realized after they showed the
>> replay that my eyes were producing a slow, steady flow of tears, which I
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> they will be able to use a splint or cast, as this would allow him
> some mobility while the leg heals.

He came through the operation fine and the recovery (which is WAY
dicey) and stood on the cast (which is desirable) went in the stall and
ate hay. This is all good, bu it is only the first hurdle. He will be
on antibiotics hoping no infection gets in. Blood flow seems good. Now
we just need to hope that all goes well. It will be months recovery.
Please keep purring. But so far so good which is a mini miracle.
W. Leong - 22 May 2006 02:45 GMT
> He came through the operation fine and the recovery (which is WAY dicey)
> and stood on the cast (which is desirable) went in the stall and ate hay.
> This is all good, bu it is only the first hurdle. He will be on
> antibiotics hoping no infection gets in. Blood flow seems good. Now we
> just need to hope that all goes well. It will be months recovery. Please
> keep purring. But so far so good which is a mini miracle.

I was just going to post and you beat me to it.
The headline is
"Barbaro 'practically jog' after sugery" at
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12901493/

Winnie
Kreisleriana - 22 May 2006 15:34 GMT
>>> I was watching the race with my husband. I realized after they showed the
>>> replay that my eyes were producing a slow, steady flow of tears, which I
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>we just need to hope that all goes well. It will be months recovery.
>Please keep purring. But so far so good which is a mini miracle.

There is a picture of him in the New York Times-- up and munching his
fodder.  Wonderful!  But as you say, he's not out of the woods yet.
He needs to rest and convalesce, and horses are not built, physically
or psychologically for that.  The great Ruffian came through a
delicate surgery only to smash her cast (and pretty much destroy her
leg) when she awake from her anesthesia, and she had to be PTS.  

But it looks like they are able to keep him calm.  We're purring that
he stays that way, and goes on to a cushy retirement.

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Karen - 22 May 2006 16:53 GMT
> There is a picture of him in the New York Times-- up and munching his
> fodder.  Wonderful!  But as you say, he's not out of the woods yet.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> But it looks like they are able to keep him calm.  We're purring that
> he stays that way, and goes on to a cushy retirement.

Check these out:
http://www.vet.upenn.edu/newsandevents/news/BarbaroPhotos.htm

Also, look at this video

http://beansidhe.isc-net.upenn.edu:8080/ramgen/vet/nbc/recovery_pool.rm

(hope that works. it is direct. If not I can give you the html page that you
can get to it on)

If Ruffian had had that pool, maybe she wouldn't have redamaged herself.
Monique Y. Mudama - 22 May 2006 00:57 GMT
> In case you hadn't heard, the horse Barbaro, who was favored to win
> today's Preakness Stakes, broke his leg in two places during the
> race earlier.  These injuries are extremely serious for these
> horses, and often end up in the horse being sent prematurely to the
> RB.  Please get your purrs up and running for this wonderful,
> courageous animal.

Oh man.  Purrs for Barbaro.

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Shiral - 22 May 2006 01:17 GMT
I read that, too! It's so sad. =o(  I hope they won't have to put him
down.
Puuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrs for Barbaro.

Melissa
Sam - 22 May 2006 03:07 GMT
> In case you hadn't heard, the horse Barbaro, who was favored to win
> today's Preakness Stakes, broke his leg in two places during the race
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Make Levees, Not War
All revved up for the poor guy.  Saw some footage where he pulled up
lame.  So sad to see.

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dnr - 22 May 2006 07:08 GMT
> All revved up for the poor guy.  Saw some footage where he pulled up lame.
> So sad to see.
> Sam, closely supervised by Mistletoe

For any horse people who haven't heard:
I'm one who watches the *really* late news; some vet
in scrubs came on and said the horse was looking good
after surgery for his rear lower leg, fractured in 3 places;
horse ate (good sign) and things look hopeful for him.
Vet didn't say anything about putting horse to sleep.
Only vet was shown on tv, not new pics of horse.
polonca12000 - 22 May 2006 21:41 GMT
> In case you hadn't heard, the horse Barbaro, who was favored to win
> today's Preakness Stakes, broke his leg in two places during the race
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Make Levees, Not War

Poor Barbaro!
Lots and lots of healing purrs and best wishes,
Polonca and Soncek
Yowie - 23 May 2006 23:22 GMT
> In case you hadn't heard, the horse Barbaro, who was favored to win
> today's Preakness Stakes, broke his leg in two places during the race
> earlier.  These injuries are extremely serious for these horses, and
> often end up in the horse being sent prematurely to the RB.  Please
> get your purrs up and running for this wonderful, courageous animal.

Sorry, been so wrapped up in IBKFergus that I haven't had much space for
others. Poor Barbaro. I guess his racing days are over, but I hope he can
live the rest of his life in a nice paddock somewhere, giving joy to a
loving horse person.

Yowie
Karen - 24 May 2006 00:46 GMT
>> In case you hadn't heard, the horse Barbaro, who was favored to win
>> today's Preakness Stakes, broke his leg in two places during the race
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Yowie

His owners have made it perfectly clear that if he makes it through
this and can live pain free and he cannot handle the rigors of
breeding, they have two geldings that never even made it to the track
in their pasture that will enjoy his company and they will be happy
with that. The no name geldings were given expensvie medical treatments
too. These are pretty decent people.
Jo Firey - 24 May 2006 00:58 GMT
>>> In case you hadn't heard, the horse Barbaro, who was favored to win
>>> today's Preakness Stakes, broke his leg in two places during the race
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> geldings were given expensvie medical treatments too. These are pretty
> decent people.

Must be, cause I don't even want to imagine the vet bill they are running
up.  As in there went the Derby winnings.

I have to wonder, it didn't look like he stumbled or misstepped when the
ankle broke.   So would a break like this be considered a flaw in the horse
that would make him unsuitable as a stud?  Would be a shame as he is just
gorgeous.

Jo
Karen - 24 May 2006 01:21 GMT
>>>> In case you hadn't heard, the horse Barbaro, who was favored to win
>>>> today's Preakness Stakes, broke his leg in two places during the race
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>
> Jo

No, it really does look like a bad step when he was in the pack. He's
actually from Dynaformer who is one of the really few extra sound
stock. I think this was totally bad luck in his case. Some horses you
could wonder that about but not him and in fact there weren't even the
normal rumors about "not looking good" or "maybe sore" about him.
Totally bad luck. I expect, if he can go to stud, he'll be very high
priced. I think the farm that has his father would dearly love to have
him as dad is about ready to retire.
Kreisleriana - 24 May 2006 15:26 GMT
(snip)

>I have to wonder, it didn't look like he stumbled or misstepped when the
>ankle broke.   So would a break like this be considered a flaw in the horse
>that would make him unsuitable as a stud?  Would be a shame as he is just
>gorgeous.
>
>Jo

He did take a bad step, according to his jockey. And as Karen noted,
his bloodline is a particularly solid one, one that is already
valuable.

The thing that they are concerned about in regards to his stud
prospects is that the injury is to his hind leg, which supports a
horse when covering a mare.  If the leg remains weaker, this will be a
problem.



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Monique Y. Mudama - 24 May 2006 15:59 GMT
> The thing that they are concerned about in regards to his stud
> prospects is that the injury is to his hind leg, which supports a
> horse when covering a mare.  If the leg remains weaker, this will be
> a problem.

Anyone else find it funny that horse people have a special term for
the act of ... um, what's the tactful way of saying this ...

doing the nasty?

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Cheryl Perkins - 24 May 2006 16:17 GMT
> Anyone else find it funny that horse people have a special term for
> the act of ... um, what's the tactful way of saying this ...

> doing the nasty?

Anyone dealing with farm animals seem to use a lot of jargon. Besides
that, there's all those special names for various ages and genders of
animals which confuse me - colt, filly, steer, ox, - and probably lots
more that I don't even know about. Not to mention the names for colours -
a lot of horses look 'brown' to me, but, no, they're chestnut or bay or
something. It's something like the way a male cat is a tom and a grey one
is called blue.

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Lesley - 24 May 2006 16:29 GMT
> Anyone else find it funny that horse people have a special term for
> the act of ... um, what's the tactful way of saying this ...
>
> doing the nasty?

I always thought the worse job any man, woman, child or animal could do
would be to be the "teaser" at a stud!

My worse equine moment, riding back one evening, you know getting to
the end of the hack, people stretching their legs etc etc, everyone
(including the horses) thinking about getting something to eat
when....Solo, who was a rig (Gelded after being used at stud alas
stallions don't understand words like "gelded" so he thought he was
still a stallion) was coming up behind my mare....And he decided he
would mount her. And his rider couldn't get him off so we arrived at
the stable yard with Solo trying to mate with Jester, the mare who
wasn't too keen on the idea and me trying to avoid his teeth, being
dumped by Jester etc etc...

The head groom took one look at this spectacle and fell over shreiking
with laughter, it was 10 minutes before she could speak

Purrs for Barabaro
Monique Y. Mudama - 24 May 2006 16:55 GMT
> My worse equine moment, riding back one evening, you know getting to
> the end of the hack, people stretching their legs etc etc, everyone
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> wasn't too keen on the idea and me trying to avoid his teeth, being
> dumped by Jester etc etc...

Eep!  That would have scared me half to death.

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Karen - 24 May 2006 17:25 GMT
>> Anyone else find it funny that horse people have a special term for
>> the act of ... um, what's the tactful way of saying this ...
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>
> Purrs for Barabaro

I think that might just be the best horse story I've ever heard!!!!
Howard C. Berkowitz - 25 May 2006 02:22 GMT
> > Anyone else find it funny that horse people have a special term for
> > the act of ... um, what's the tactful way of saying this ...
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> The head groom took one look at this spectacle and fell over shreiking
> with laughter, it was 10 minutes before she could speak

Years ago, I was doing some military studies on South Africa, and was
chatting with the assistant military attache. Something reminded him of a
tale, and (he was of missionary stock) eventually, he choked it out.  They
had been having armored cavalry exercises, and were unaware of it being
rhinoceros mating season.

I knew rhinos weren't very bright. So did the South African Army.  They did
not, however, expect that a Saladin armored car, passing over a bull's
territorial lines, would be recognized by the bull as an exotic-looking cow.
Orders soon went out that they were NOT to shoot the bull off, but wait
until he went away. They then could clean the armor...
Monique Y. Mudama - 25 May 2006 03:26 GMT
> I knew rhinos weren't very bright. So did the South African Army.
> They did not, however, expect that a Saladin armored car, passing
> over a bull's territorial lines, would be recognized by the bull as
> an exotic-looking cow.  Orders soon went out that they were NOT to
> shoot the bull off, but wait until he went away. They then could
> clean the armor...

Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww!

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monique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully

pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca

dnr - 25 May 2006 07:17 GMT
"Howard C. Berkowitz> wrote.
> Years ago, I was doing some military studies on South Africa, and was
> chatting with the assistant military attache. Something reminded him of a
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> Orders soon went out that they were NOT to shoot the bull off, but wait
> until he went away. They then could clean the armor...

Howard, I am *so* glad you're back w/us! You got the best stories.....
and, since I know lots more about garlic than botox, LOL....and are
able to assist us w/preserving it w/o doing ourselves in w/botox
(and don't even go there while you were gone (moving) about all
the meds questions.....=oP
 
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