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sriddles@aol.com - 21 May 2006 02:12 GMT
DH is gone, and it's the weekend so there's really no one to call.

Something is screwy with the A/C. I set it on 75 four hours ago. It ran
and ran and ran but it didn't seem to be getting any cooler. I just
looked, and the thermostat is still set on 75, but the inside
temperature is 87. And it's still running.

Do house A/C's have freon, like cars? Is it *possible* that it's
something simple like that? If it was *bad*, would the thing run at
all?

Any help appreciated.

Sherry
Magic Mood Jeep© - 21 May 2006 02:27 GMT
> DH is gone, and it's the weekend so there's really no one to call.
>
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>
> Sherry

If this is the first time that the unit is being used this year, YES it does
use coolant (if it's a newer unit, not freon, but something else), and they
*can* leak the coolant over time.  Or it could be something simple like a
fuse or circuit breaker!  Make sure that the unit *is* actually coming on
when it's supposed to (not just the blower inside the house, but the actual
A/C unit itself).  If it is, then the coolant needs to be checked.  Another
thing is, the line that carries the coolant from the A/C unit to the blower
could freeze.  We had that happen at an apartment we lived in once, the line
froze solid so the coolant couldn't get into the blower, therefore the
blower was blowing tepid air.
Stormin Mormon - 21 May 2006 04:56 GMT
> Something is screwy with the A/C. I set it on 75 four hours ago. It
> ran and ran and ran but it didn't seem to be getting any cooler. I
> just looked, and the thermostat is still set on 75, but the inside
> temperature is 87. And it's still running.
CY: First thing to do, check the thermostat. Is the switch (or setting
on an electronic) set to "cool"? You say it's set to 75, which is
good.

> Do house A/C's have freon, like cars? Is it *possible* that it's
> something simple like that? If it was *bad*, would the thing run at
> all?
CY: Freon is a brand name for refrigerant. Like Mobil is a brand for
gasoline. Refrigerants are known by number. Cars used to use R-12,
until about 1993. and then they were changed over to R-134A. Building
AC used R-22, and actually, that's still in use. There is a new stuff
called puron, and I can't remember the R number. Freon doesn't go bad
unless the compressor burns out, which is unlikely here. However, it
does sometimes leak out.

If this is the first time that the unit is being used this year, the
problem is more likely to be electrical.

Or it could be something simple like a
fuse or circuit breaker!  [my guess, too]

Make sure that the unit *is* actually coming on
when it's supposed to (not just the blower inside the house, but the
actual
A/C unit itself). What this means. Go outdoors and stand next to the
outdoor unit. Is air blowing out the top of the unit? Can you hear the
compressor running? Is there a buzzing noise? Or maybe a buzzing noise
and no fan, and no compressor?

If it is, then the coolant needs to be checked.  [possible, but more
likely electrical problem is what I'm thinking.]

Another
thing is, the line that carries the coolant from the A/C unit to the
blower
could freeze.  We had that happen at an apartment we lived in once,
the line
froze solid so the coolant couldn't get into the blower, therefore the
blower was blowing tepid air. [Actually, the "frozen solid" line still
carries refrigerant. The problem is that the coil over the furnace or
in the attic freezes solid. This prevents air flow through the coil,
sometimes a bit of air goes around the coil. But refrigerant is still
moving through the copper tubes.]
Matthew aka NMR - 21 May 2006 02:37 GMT
Could be a couple things  yes the Freon could have bleed out,  depending on
how new the system is the electronic air sensor could be bad.  You need to
turn the system off reset it, let it sit for a bit  try again if it still
does not cool.  Need to call an A/C tech

Yes if it was bad it was still run  jut not cool

> DH is gone, and it's the weekend so there's really no one to call.
>
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>
> Sherry
dnr - 21 May 2006 03:22 GMT
"Matthew aka NMR> wrote...
> Could be a couple things  yes the Freon could have bleed out,  depending
> on how new the system is the electronic air sensor could be bad.  You need
> to turn the system off reset it, let it sit for a bit  try again if it
> still does not cool.  Need to call an A/C tech> Yes if it was bad it was
> still run  jut not cool

>> DH is gone, and it's the weekend so there's really no one to call.
>> Something is screwy with the A/C. I set it on 75 four hours ago. It ran
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>> Any help appreciated.
>> Sherry

I assume this is a central a/c unit, not window or in-wall. Go outside,
where the "big square thing"is beside the house, the fan may be either
separate or attached to it. You'll probably see the fan going...but
look to see if the "big thing" (compressor) is doing its loud humming
noise (not just the fan). Newer units don't use same type freon
as older ones, last few years mandated different gas type for
cleaner air. Many things can go wrong out there. Once my unit
in FL wasn't working because the whole fan had fallen off its
little feet support and plunked down inside the housing; easily
fixed by a professional who knew what he was doing. In that
case, fan was immobile outside, compressor was chugging away
at its job. Let DH look at it all.
sriddles@aol.com - 21 May 2006 03:28 GMT
> "Matthew aka NMR> wrote...
> > Could be a couple things  yes the Freon could have bleed out,  depending
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> case, fan was immobile outside, compressor was chugging away
> at its job. Let DH look at it all.

The big thing sounds normal. The fan is blowing normally. It's just
d*mn hot in the house. It's a heat pump, installed in 1981. A real
senior citizen for an air condition I bet. I'm *really* hoping I get
lucky and it just needs freon. At any rate, I don't think I'll be able
to get anyone to look at it till MOnday.

Sherry
dnr - 21 May 2006 03:38 GMT
>> I assume this is a central a/c unit, not window or in-wall. Go outside,
>> where the "big square thing"is beside the house, the fan may be either
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>> case, fan was immobile outside, compressor was chugging away
>> at its job. Let DH look at it all.

> The big thing sounds normal. The fan is blowing normally. It's just
> d*mn hot in the house. It's a heat pump, installed in 1981. A real
> senior citizen for an air condition I bet. I'm *really* hoping I get
> lucky and it just needs freon. At any rate, I don't think I'll be able
> to get anyone to look at it till MOnday.
> Sherry

Okay, here's a "Hail Mary" pass suggestion: *Reset* the thermostat
inside your house; mine (that same old FL one) would sometimes
start blasting *hot* air (it, too was a heat pump....great for FL winters,
futile for winters out here!) and needed a swift kick (resetting) to
remember its task. Can't hurt....?
Stormin Mormon - 21 May 2006 05:01 GMT
Heat pumps have a valve called a "reversing valve" which are famous
for going bad. That's very possible the problem.

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Christopher A. Young
 You can't shout down a troll.
 You have to starve them.
.

The big thing sounds normal. The fan is blowing normally. It's just
d*mn hot in the house. It's a heat pump, installed in 1981. A real
senior citizen for an air condition I bet. I'm *really* hoping I get
lucky and it just needs freon. At any rate, I don't think I'll be able
to get anyone to look at it till MOnday.

Sherry
Stormin Mormon - 21 May 2006 05:01 GMT
At the moment, we need a lot more information.

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Christopher A. Young
 You can't shout down a troll.
 You have to starve them.
.

I assume this is a central a/c unit, not window or in-wall. Go
outside,
where the "big square thing"is beside the house, the fan may be either
separate or attached to it. You'll probably see the fan going...but
look to see if the "big thing" (compressor) is doing its loud humming
noise (not just the fan). Newer units don't use same type freon
as older ones, last few years mandated different gas type for
cleaner air. Many things can go wrong out there. Once my unit
in FL wasn't working because the whole fan had fallen off its
little feet support and plunked down inside the housing; easily
fixed by a professional who knew what he was doing. In that
case, fan was immobile outside, compressor was chugging away
at its job. Let DH look at it all.
Stormin Mormon - 21 May 2006 05:01 GMT
Matthew, what is your background in AC?

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Christopher A. Young
 You can't shout down a troll.
 You have to starve them.
.

Could be a couple things  yes the Freon could have bleed out,
depending on
how new the system is the electronic air sensor could be bad.  You
need to
turn the system off reset it, let it sit for a bit  try again if it
still
does not cool.  Need to call an A/C tech

Yes if it was bad it was still run  jut not cool
Matthew aka NMR - 21 May 2006 05:16 GMT
None just what has happened to the systems in my house or at one of the
stores I own

I see you install a/c in houses  question about a windows unit  can they be
serviced or is just cheaper to buy a new one.  Hate to say it I always just
bought a new one since I saw A/C tech  making 75 a freaking hour plus
service charge
I can get a 10,000 windows unit energy efficient whirlpool for about $130 -
$150 new in the box

> Matthew, what is your background in AC?
>
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>
> Yes if it was bad it was still run  jut not cool
Jo Firey - 21 May 2006 06:10 GMT
> None just what has happened to the systems in my house or at one of the
> stores I own
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> I can get a 10,000 windows unit energy efficient whirlpool for about
> $130 - $150 new in the box

There was a newspaper article here last week that stated it is almost always
cheaper to just replace a window unit.

Jo
Stormin Mormon - 21 May 2006 19:30 GMT
Sadly, I agree.

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Christopher A. Young
 You can't shout down a troll.
 You have to starve them.
.

There was a newspaper article here last week that stated it is almost
always
cheaper to just replace a window unit.

Jo
Stormin Mormon - 21 May 2006 19:25 GMT
Window ac, like VCR are cheaper to replace. Walmart has them sometimes
under $100 for a 6,000 BTU model. I enjoy working on them, and do some
service for a local apartment complex with a bunch of walll AC. Used
to pick them off the curb and bring them home to service. However,
wtih Walmart units so cheap, it isn't worth the money.

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Christopher A. Young
 You can't shout down a troll.
 You have to starve them.
.

None just what has happened to the systems in my house or at one of
the
stores I own

I see you install a/c in houses  question about a windows unit  can
they be
serviced or is just cheaper to buy a new one.  Hate to say it I always
just
bought a new one since I saw A/C tech  making 75 a freaking hour plus
service charge
I can get a 10,000 windows unit energy efficient whirlpool for about
$130 -
$150 new in the box
Stormin Mormon - 21 May 2006 04:51 GMT
I've been installing AC in homes for the last six years. As a part
time job. Someone else gave a really good list of questions to help
diagnose. I'll add a bit to that list.

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Christopher A. Young
 You can't shout down a troll.
 You have to starve them.
.

DH is gone, and it's the weekend so there's really no one to call.

Something is screwy with the A/C. I set it on 75 four hours ago. It
ran
and ran and ran but it didn't seem to be getting any cooler. I just
looked, and the thermostat is still set on 75, but the inside
temperature is 87. And it's still running.

Do house A/C's have freon, like cars? Is it *possible* that it's
something simple like that? If it was *bad*, would the thing run at
all?

Any help appreciated.

Sherry
Stormin Mormon - 21 May 2006 05:01 GMT
You may get some advice on alt.home.repair.
   Hint: Do not post on alt.hvac; there are several posters there who
are cruel and vicious. alt havoc (as I call it) is a snake pit of
evil.

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Christopher A. Young
 You can't shout down a troll.
 You have to starve them.
.

DH is gone, and it's the weekend so there's really no one to call.

Something is screwy with the A/C. I set it on 75 four hours ago. It
ran
and ran and ran but it didn't seem to be getting any cooler. I just
looked, and the thermostat is still set on 75, but the inside
temperature is 87. And it's still running.

Do house A/C's have freon, like cars? Is it *possible* that it's
something simple like that? If it was *bad*, would the thing run at
all?

Any help appreciated.

Sherry
sriddles@aol.com - 21 May 2006 05:23 GMT
> You may get some advice on alt.home.repair.
>     Hint: Do not post on alt.hvac; there are several posters there who
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Christopher A. Young

Oh, thank you for the tip, but I wouldn't know what they were telling
me. I have about zero comprehension for all things mechanical.
I think I am just destined to sweat all weekend. The cats are gonna be
l-o-o-ng for sure. You know how they do when they're hot, how they
stretch out.
It's cooled off to 80 in here, which actually feels quite pleasant.
DH Is off on a fishing trip; I'm not even gonna tell him when he calls
because this is the first time in a couple of years he's gotten to go.
He'd end up coming home to sweat along with me. He's just that kinda
guy :-)

Sherry
Stormin Mormon - 21 May 2006 19:30 GMT
Do you have anyone you can call? Friends from work or church? I'm sad
that you are home, and hot. You are very considerate to "not tell"
your husband. Few people are that considerate.

You may be able to get a window AC from Walmart for under $100 to get
you through the next couple days. Good luck. wish we lived closer.

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Christopher A. Young
 You can't shout down a troll.
 You have to starve them.
.

Oh, thank you for the tip, but I wouldn't know what they were telling
me. I have about zero comprehension for all things mechanical.
I think I am just destined to sweat all weekend. The cats are gonna be
l-o-o-ng for sure. You know how they do when they're hot, how they
stretch out.
It's cooled off to 80 in here, which actually feels quite pleasant.
DH Is off on a fishing trip; I'm not even gonna tell him when he calls
because this is the first time in a couple of years he's gotten to go.
He'd end up coming home to sweat along with me. He's just that kinda
guy :-)

Sherry
sriddles@aol.com - 22 May 2006 04:54 GMT
> Do you have anyone you can call? Friends from work or church? I'm sad
> that you are home, and hot. You are very considerate to "not tell"
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Christopher A. Young

Well, thanks for the help anyway, everyone. I am so mechanically
unsavvy it's not even funny. I don't have the brain for it....I want
things to *work*, I don't care how they work. If they don't work, I
want someone to show up at my door to whom I write a check that will
make them work.
It is dang hot. I stood it as long as I could, we do live on a hill
with a nice breeze and have ceiling fans but by 3:00 I couldn't stand
it anymore. I went to the matinee showing at the movies, went to Wal
Mart and got a manicure. Visited people (people with air conditining,
that is)  . Gah. Got home by 7 and it was starting to cool off. Spent
the rest of the evening in the chaise in the back yard reading. It was
a pretty good day after all.
I think they A/C people will send a tech tomorrow. I hope. People are
telling me they are very good to respond when it's so hot outside.
Sherry
Stormin Mormon - 22 May 2006 12:14 GMT
My parents don't have AC. So, when it gets killer hot, they go out to
dinner. Sounds like about what you did. Also, the AC in the car helps.
(if your car has AC). I've known people to go driving just to get into
the AC car.

Where are you? I'm near Rochester NY.

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Christopher A. Young
 You can't shout down a troll.
 You have to starve them.
.

Well, thanks for the help anyway, everyone. I am so mechanically
unsavvy it's not even funny. I don't have the brain for it....I want
things to *work*, I don't care how they work. If they don't work, I
want someone to show up at my door to whom I write a check that will
make them work.
It is dang hot. I stood it as long as I could, we do live on a hill
with a nice breeze and have ceiling fans but by 3:00 I couldn't stand
it anymore. I went to the matinee showing at the movies, went to Wal
Mart and got a manicure. Visited people (people with air conditining,
that is)  . Gah. Got home by 7 and it was starting to cool off. Spent
the rest of the evening in the chaise in the back yard reading. It was
a pretty good day after all.
I think they A/C people will send a tech tomorrow. I hope. People are
telling me they are very good to respond when it's so hot outside.
Sherry
mlbriggs - 21 May 2006 06:32 GMT
On Sat, 20 May 2006 18:12:20 -0700, sriddles wrote:

> DH is gone, and it's the weekend so there's really no one to call.
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Sherry

Yes it has coolant that should be checked yearly.  If there is a small
leak, the coolant can disappear very fast.   MLB
William Hamblen - 21 May 2006 08:46 GMT
> Do house A/C's have freon, like cars? Is it *possible* that it's
> something simple like that? If it was *bad*, would the thing run at
> all?

Yes (although they don't use Freon any more because of holes in the
ozone layer), yes and yes.

A visit from the air conditioner repair man seems to be in order.
Stormin Mormon - 21 May 2006 19:30 GMT
I guess you didn't read my earlier post.

Freon is a (formerly copyrighted) brand name for a brand of
refrigerant.

Saying "freon" is like saying "DelMonte canned food". There are
several different kinds.

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Christopher A. Young
 You can't shout down a troll.
 You have to starve them.
.

> Do house A/C's have freon, like cars? Is it *possible* that it's
> something simple like that? If it was *bad*, would the thing run at
> all?

Yes (although they don't use Freon any more because of holes in the
ozone layer), yes and yes.

A visit from the air conditioner repair man seems to be in order.
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 21 May 2006 22:32 GMT
> I guess you didn't read my earlier post.
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Saying "freon" is like saying "DelMonte canned food". There are
> several different kinds.

Actually, it's more like saying "xerox" when you mean copy
machine!  (There may be different brands, but the layman
generally knows only the most familiar, and uses the name as
a generic.)
Stormin Mormon - 21 May 2006 23:42 GMT
Of course, that makes better sense.

Time to take a couple tylenol, with a styrofoam cup, and some kool
aid. After that, I'll go check my messages on my IBM PC, and then
watch my Zenith.

I'll use that in the future. About Xerox machines.

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Christopher A. Young
 You can't shout down a troll.
 You have to starve them.
.

Stormin Mormon wrote:

> I guess you didn't read my earlier post.
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Saying "freon" is like saying "DelMonte canned food". There are
> several different kinds.

Actually, it's more like saying "xerox" when you mean copy
machine!  (There may be different brands, but the layman
generally knows only the most familiar, and uses the name as
a generic.)
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 21 May 2006 22:23 GMT
> DH is gone, and it's the weekend so there's really no one to call.
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Do house A/C's have freon, like cars?

Depends upon how old your air-conditioner is.  (However, I
think they have to contain SOME sort of coolant, but I don't
know what replaced freon.)

> Is it *possible* that it's
> something simple like that? If it was *bad*, would the thing run at
> all?

> Any help appreciated.
>
> Sherry
Monique Y. Mudama - 22 May 2006 01:05 GMT
> DH is gone, and it's the weekend so there's really no one to call.
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Any help appreciated.

I don't know, but I hope there's a cheap and simple fix!

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CatNipped - 22 May 2006 01:12 GMT
> DH is gone, and it's the weekend so there's really no one to call.
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Sherry

Yes, house A/Cs use Freon just like car A/Cs - but it's usually not as
simple as that, unfortunately.  And yes, the fan can fun even if the
compressor is not running (go outside and see if the compressor is making
noise).  If the compressor is running it could be something as simple as a
broken pressure hose, or something as big as the whole shebang needs to be
replaced.

"Stormin Norman" does A/C repair, I think - and one other person here, but I
can't remember now who.  But this is not something that you can diagnose
over the internet.

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