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Any A/C Experts Out There?
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sriddles@aol.com - 21 May 2006 02:12 GMT DH is gone, and it's the weekend so there's really no one to call.
Something is screwy with the A/C. I set it on 75 four hours ago. It ran and ran and ran but it didn't seem to be getting any cooler. I just looked, and the thermostat is still set on 75, but the inside temperature is 87. And it's still running.
Do house A/C's have freon, like cars? Is it *possible* that it's something simple like that? If it was *bad*, would the thing run at all?
Any help appreciated.
Sherry
Magic Mood Jeep© - 21 May 2006 02:27 GMT > DH is gone, and it's the weekend so there's really no one to call. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Sherry If this is the first time that the unit is being used this year, YES it does use coolant (if it's a newer unit, not freon, but something else), and they *can* leak the coolant over time. Or it could be something simple like a fuse or circuit breaker! Make sure that the unit *is* actually coming on when it's supposed to (not just the blower inside the house, but the actual A/C unit itself). If it is, then the coolant needs to be checked. Another thing is, the line that carries the coolant from the A/C unit to the blower could freeze. We had that happen at an apartment we lived in once, the line froze solid so the coolant couldn't get into the blower, therefore the blower was blowing tepid air.
Stormin Mormon - 21 May 2006 04:56 GMT > Something is screwy with the A/C. I set it on 75 four hours ago. It > ran and ran and ran but it didn't seem to be getting any cooler. I > just looked, and the thermostat is still set on 75, but the inside > temperature is 87. And it's still running. CY: First thing to do, check the thermostat. Is the switch (or setting on an electronic) set to "cool"? You say it's set to 75, which is good.
> Do house A/C's have freon, like cars? Is it *possible* that it's > something simple like that? If it was *bad*, would the thing run at > all? CY: Freon is a brand name for refrigerant. Like Mobil is a brand for gasoline. Refrigerants are known by number. Cars used to use R-12, until about 1993. and then they were changed over to R-134A. Building AC used R-22, and actually, that's still in use. There is a new stuff called puron, and I can't remember the R number. Freon doesn't go bad unless the compressor burns out, which is unlikely here. However, it does sometimes leak out.
If this is the first time that the unit is being used this year, the problem is more likely to be electrical.
Or it could be something simple like a fuse or circuit breaker! [my guess, too]
Make sure that the unit *is* actually coming on when it's supposed to (not just the blower inside the house, but the actual A/C unit itself). What this means. Go outdoors and stand next to the outdoor unit. Is air blowing out the top of the unit? Can you hear the compressor running? Is there a buzzing noise? Or maybe a buzzing noise and no fan, and no compressor?
If it is, then the coolant needs to be checked. [possible, but more likely electrical problem is what I'm thinking.]
Another thing is, the line that carries the coolant from the A/C unit to the blower could freeze. We had that happen at an apartment we lived in once, the line froze solid so the coolant couldn't get into the blower, therefore the blower was blowing tepid air. [Actually, the "frozen solid" line still carries refrigerant. The problem is that the coil over the furnace or in the attic freezes solid. This prevents air flow through the coil, sometimes a bit of air goes around the coil. But refrigerant is still moving through the copper tubes.]
Matthew aka NMR - 21 May 2006 02:37 GMT Could be a couple things yes the Freon could have bleed out, depending on how new the system is the electronic air sensor could be bad. You need to turn the system off reset it, let it sit for a bit try again if it still does not cool. Need to call an A/C tech
Yes if it was bad it was still run jut not cool
> DH is gone, and it's the weekend so there's really no one to call. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Sherry dnr - 21 May 2006 03:22 GMT "Matthew aka NMR> wrote...
> Could be a couple things yes the Freon could have bleed out, depending > on how new the system is the electronic air sensor could be bad. You need > to turn the system off reset it, let it sit for a bit try again if it > still does not cool. Need to call an A/C tech> Yes if it was bad it was > still run jut not cool
>> DH is gone, and it's the weekend so there's really no one to call. >> Something is screwy with the A/C. I set it on 75 four hours ago. It ran [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> Any help appreciated. >> Sherry I assume this is a central a/c unit, not window or in-wall. Go outside, where the "big square thing"is beside the house, the fan may be either separate or attached to it. You'll probably see the fan going...but look to see if the "big thing" (compressor) is doing its loud humming noise (not just the fan). Newer units don't use same type freon as older ones, last few years mandated different gas type for cleaner air. Many things can go wrong out there. Once my unit in FL wasn't working because the whole fan had fallen off its little feet support and plunked down inside the housing; easily fixed by a professional who knew what he was doing. In that case, fan was immobile outside, compressor was chugging away at its job. Let DH look at it all.
sriddles@aol.com - 21 May 2006 03:28 GMT > "Matthew aka NMR> wrote... > > Could be a couple things yes the Freon could have bleed out, depending [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > case, fan was immobile outside, compressor was chugging away > at its job. Let DH look at it all. The big thing sounds normal. The fan is blowing normally. It's just d*mn hot in the house. It's a heat pump, installed in 1981. A real senior citizen for an air condition I bet. I'm *really* hoping I get lucky and it just needs freon. At any rate, I don't think I'll be able to get anyone to look at it till MOnday.
Sherry
dnr - 21 May 2006 03:38 GMT >> I assume this is a central a/c unit, not window or in-wall. Go outside, >> where the "big square thing"is beside the house, the fan may be either [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> case, fan was immobile outside, compressor was chugging away >> at its job. Let DH look at it all.
> The big thing sounds normal. The fan is blowing normally. It's just > d*mn hot in the house. It's a heat pump, installed in 1981. A real > senior citizen for an air condition I bet. I'm *really* hoping I get > lucky and it just needs freon. At any rate, I don't think I'll be able > to get anyone to look at it till MOnday. > Sherry Okay, here's a "Hail Mary" pass suggestion: *Reset* the thermostat inside your house; mine (that same old FL one) would sometimes start blasting *hot* air (it, too was a heat pump....great for FL winters, futile for winters out here!) and needed a swift kick (resetting) to remember its task. Can't hurt....?
Stormin Mormon - 21 May 2006 05:01 GMT Heat pumps have a valve called a "reversing valve" which are famous for going bad. That's very possible the problem.
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The big thing sounds normal. The fan is blowing normally. It's just d*mn hot in the house. It's a heat pump, installed in 1981. A real senior citizen for an air condition I bet. I'm *really* hoping I get lucky and it just needs freon. At any rate, I don't think I'll be able to get anyone to look at it till MOnday.
Sherry
Stormin Mormon - 21 May 2006 05:01 GMT At the moment, we need a lot more information.
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I assume this is a central a/c unit, not window or in-wall. Go outside, where the "big square thing"is beside the house, the fan may be either separate or attached to it. You'll probably see the fan going...but look to see if the "big thing" (compressor) is doing its loud humming noise (not just the fan). Newer units don't use same type freon as older ones, last few years mandated different gas type for cleaner air. Many things can go wrong out there. Once my unit in FL wasn't working because the whole fan had fallen off its little feet support and plunked down inside the housing; easily fixed by a professional who knew what he was doing. In that case, fan was immobile outside, compressor was chugging away at its job. Let DH look at it all.
Stormin Mormon - 21 May 2006 05:01 GMT Matthew, what is your background in AC?
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Could be a couple things yes the Freon could have bleed out, depending on how new the system is the electronic air sensor could be bad. You need to turn the system off reset it, let it sit for a bit try again if it still does not cool. Need to call an A/C tech
Yes if it was bad it was still run jut not cool
Matthew aka NMR - 21 May 2006 05:16 GMT None just what has happened to the systems in my house or at one of the stores I own
I see you install a/c in houses question about a windows unit can they be serviced or is just cheaper to buy a new one. Hate to say it I always just bought a new one since I saw A/C tech making 75 a freaking hour plus service charge I can get a 10,000 windows unit energy efficient whirlpool for about $130 - $150 new in the box
> Matthew, what is your background in AC? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Yes if it was bad it was still run jut not cool Jo Firey - 21 May 2006 06:10 GMT > None just what has happened to the systems in my house or at one of the > stores I own [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I can get a 10,000 windows unit energy efficient whirlpool for about > $130 - $150 new in the box There was a newspaper article here last week that stated it is almost always cheaper to just replace a window unit.
Jo
Stormin Mormon - 21 May 2006 19:30 GMT Sadly, I agree.
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There was a newspaper article here last week that stated it is almost always cheaper to just replace a window unit.
Jo
Stormin Mormon - 21 May 2006 19:25 GMT Window ac, like VCR are cheaper to replace. Walmart has them sometimes under $100 for a 6,000 BTU model. I enjoy working on them, and do some service for a local apartment complex with a bunch of walll AC. Used to pick them off the curb and bring them home to service. However, wtih Walmart units so cheap, it isn't worth the money.
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None just what has happened to the systems in my house or at one of the stores I own
I see you install a/c in houses question about a windows unit can they be serviced or is just cheaper to buy a new one. Hate to say it I always just bought a new one since I saw A/C tech making 75 a freaking hour plus service charge I can get a 10,000 windows unit energy efficient whirlpool for about $130 - $150 new in the box
Stormin Mormon - 21 May 2006 04:51 GMT I've been installing AC in homes for the last six years. As a part time job. Someone else gave a really good list of questions to help diagnose. I'll add a bit to that list.
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DH is gone, and it's the weekend so there's really no one to call.
Something is screwy with the A/C. I set it on 75 four hours ago. It ran and ran and ran but it didn't seem to be getting any cooler. I just looked, and the thermostat is still set on 75, but the inside temperature is 87. And it's still running.
Do house A/C's have freon, like cars? Is it *possible* that it's something simple like that? If it was *bad*, would the thing run at all?
Any help appreciated.
Sherry
Stormin Mormon - 21 May 2006 05:01 GMT You may get some advice on alt.home.repair. Hint: Do not post on alt.hvac; there are several posters there who are cruel and vicious. alt havoc (as I call it) is a snake pit of evil.
 Signature Christopher A. Young You can't shout down a troll. You have to starve them. .
DH is gone, and it's the weekend so there's really no one to call.
Something is screwy with the A/C. I set it on 75 four hours ago. It ran and ran and ran but it didn't seem to be getting any cooler. I just looked, and the thermostat is still set on 75, but the inside temperature is 87. And it's still running.
Do house A/C's have freon, like cars? Is it *possible* that it's something simple like that? If it was *bad*, would the thing run at all?
Any help appreciated.
Sherry
sriddles@aol.com - 21 May 2006 05:23 GMT > You may get some advice on alt.home.repair. > Hint: Do not post on alt.hvac; there are several posters there who [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Christopher A. Young Oh, thank you for the tip, but I wouldn't know what they were telling me. I have about zero comprehension for all things mechanical. I think I am just destined to sweat all weekend. The cats are gonna be l-o-o-ng for sure. You know how they do when they're hot, how they stretch out. It's cooled off to 80 in here, which actually feels quite pleasant. DH Is off on a fishing trip; I'm not even gonna tell him when he calls because this is the first time in a couple of years he's gotten to go. He'd end up coming home to sweat along with me. He's just that kinda guy :-)
Sherry
Stormin Mormon - 21 May 2006 19:30 GMT Do you have anyone you can call? Friends from work or church? I'm sad that you are home, and hot. You are very considerate to "not tell" your husband. Few people are that considerate.
You may be able to get a window AC from Walmart for under $100 to get you through the next couple days. Good luck. wish we lived closer.
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Oh, thank you for the tip, but I wouldn't know what they were telling me. I have about zero comprehension for all things mechanical. I think I am just destined to sweat all weekend. The cats are gonna be l-o-o-ng for sure. You know how they do when they're hot, how they stretch out. It's cooled off to 80 in here, which actually feels quite pleasant. DH Is off on a fishing trip; I'm not even gonna tell him when he calls because this is the first time in a couple of years he's gotten to go. He'd end up coming home to sweat along with me. He's just that kinda guy :-)
Sherry
sriddles@aol.com - 22 May 2006 04:54 GMT > Do you have anyone you can call? Friends from work or church? I'm sad > that you are home, and hot. You are very considerate to "not tell" [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Christopher A. Young Well, thanks for the help anyway, everyone. I am so mechanically unsavvy it's not even funny. I don't have the brain for it....I want things to *work*, I don't care how they work. If they don't work, I want someone to show up at my door to whom I write a check that will make them work. It is dang hot. I stood it as long as I could, we do live on a hill with a nice breeze and have ceiling fans but by 3:00 I couldn't stand it anymore. I went to the matinee showing at the movies, went to Wal Mart and got a manicure. Visited people (people with air conditining, that is) . Gah. Got home by 7 and it was starting to cool off. Spent the rest of the evening in the chaise in the back yard reading. It was a pretty good day after all. I think they A/C people will send a tech tomorrow. I hope. People are telling me they are very good to respond when it's so hot outside. Sherry
Stormin Mormon - 22 May 2006 12:14 GMT My parents don't have AC. So, when it gets killer hot, they go out to dinner. Sounds like about what you did. Also, the AC in the car helps. (if your car has AC). I've known people to go driving just to get into the AC car.
Where are you? I'm near Rochester NY.
 Signature Christopher A. Young You can't shout down a troll. You have to starve them. .
Well, thanks for the help anyway, everyone. I am so mechanically unsavvy it's not even funny. I don't have the brain for it....I want things to *work*, I don't care how they work. If they don't work, I want someone to show up at my door to whom I write a check that will make them work. It is dang hot. I stood it as long as I could, we do live on a hill with a nice breeze and have ceiling fans but by 3:00 I couldn't stand it anymore. I went to the matinee showing at the movies, went to Wal Mart and got a manicure. Visited people (people with air conditining, that is) . Gah. Got home by 7 and it was starting to cool off. Spent the rest of the evening in the chaise in the back yard reading. It was a pretty good day after all. I think they A/C people will send a tech tomorrow. I hope. People are telling me they are very good to respond when it's so hot outside. Sherry
mlbriggs - 21 May 2006 06:32 GMT On Sat, 20 May 2006 18:12:20 -0700, sriddles wrote:
> DH is gone, and it's the weekend so there's really no one to call. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Sherry Yes it has coolant that should be checked yearly. If there is a small leak, the coolant can disappear very fast. MLB
William Hamblen - 21 May 2006 08:46 GMT > Do house A/C's have freon, like cars? Is it *possible* that it's > something simple like that? If it was *bad*, would the thing run at > all? Yes (although they don't use Freon any more because of holes in the ozone layer), yes and yes.
A visit from the air conditioner repair man seems to be in order.
Stormin Mormon - 21 May 2006 19:30 GMT I guess you didn't read my earlier post.
Freon is a (formerly copyrighted) brand name for a brand of refrigerant.
Saying "freon" is like saying "DelMonte canned food". There are several different kinds.
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> Do house A/C's have freon, like cars? Is it *possible* that it's > something simple like that? If it was *bad*, would the thing run at > all? Yes (although they don't use Freon any more because of holes in the ozone layer), yes and yes.
A visit from the air conditioner repair man seems to be in order.
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 21 May 2006 22:32 GMT > I guess you didn't read my earlier post. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Saying "freon" is like saying "DelMonte canned food". There are > several different kinds. Actually, it's more like saying "xerox" when you mean copy machine! (There may be different brands, but the layman generally knows only the most familiar, and uses the name as a generic.)
Stormin Mormon - 21 May 2006 23:42 GMT Of course, that makes better sense.
Time to take a couple tylenol, with a styrofoam cup, and some kool aid. After that, I'll go check my messages on my IBM PC, and then watch my Zenith.
I'll use that in the future. About Xerox machines.
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
> I guess you didn't read my earlier post. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Saying "freon" is like saying "DelMonte canned food". There are > several different kinds. Actually, it's more like saying "xerox" when you mean copy machine! (There may be different brands, but the layman generally knows only the most familiar, and uses the name as a generic.)
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 21 May 2006 22:23 GMT > DH is gone, and it's the weekend so there's really no one to call. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Do house A/C's have freon, like cars? Depends upon how old your air-conditioner is. (However, I think they have to contain SOME sort of coolant, but I don't know what replaced freon.)
> Is it *possible* that it's > something simple like that? If it was *bad*, would the thing run at > all?
> Any help appreciated. > > Sherry Monique Y. Mudama - 22 May 2006 01:05 GMT > DH is gone, and it's the weekend so there's really no one to call. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Any help appreciated. I don't know, but I hope there's a cheap and simple fix!
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CatNipped - 22 May 2006 01:12 GMT > DH is gone, and it's the weekend so there's really no one to call. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Sherry Yes, house A/Cs use Freon just like car A/Cs - but it's usually not as simple as that, unfortunately. And yes, the fan can fun even if the compressor is not running (go outside and see if the compressor is making noise). If the compressor is running it could be something as simple as a broken pressure hose, or something as big as the whole shebang needs to be replaced.
"Stormin Norman" does A/C repair, I think - and one other person here, but I can't remember now who. But this is not something that you can diagnose over the internet.
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