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Stormin Mormon - 16 May 2006 18:48 GMT I've been filling chuck holes. Last couple days, I've filled three tunnels under my trailer skirting. Two holes in the ground behind the trailer.
Today there is a new hole. About 4 inch diameter. I ran the garden hose into the hole, and turned on for about five minutes. No signs of filling up. So, it must be a pretty big cavern.
Being in a trailer park, it's not legal to shoot. I called the park office, and now I'm on the list to use the Havahart trap. They trap and release.
Have checked out several web pages. They suggest coyote or fox urine (and have some for sale) or various types of trap. All for sale.
Any cheap and easy answers come to mind?
Here is a typical picture I found on the web:
http://www.nps.gov/acad/flow/pix/woodchuck.jpg
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Christine K. - 16 May 2006 19:07 GMT > Have checked out several web pages. They suggest coyote or fox urine > (and have some for sale) or various types of trap. All for sale. > > Any cheap and easy answers come to mind? Found a site that suggested rags soaked in ammonia. http://www.livingwithwildlife.org/wildlifehelp/animals/woodchuck.html
Not sure what ammonia costs, but could vinegar work instead. At least here there are large bottles of vinegar available (for pickling cucumber for example) at fairly low costs. Not wine vinegar but vinegar made of spirits, not sure if it's also called just vinegar...
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Chakolate - 16 May 2006 19:17 GMT > Not sure what ammonia costs, but could vinegar work instead. At least > here there are large bottles of vinegar available (for pickling > cucumber for example) at fairly low costs. Not wine vinegar but > vinegar made of spirits, not sure if it's also called just vinegar... Ammonia might be even cheaper - they usually run about the same.
Chak
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Tanada - 16 May 2006 20:49 GMT > Ammonia might be even cheaper - they usually run about the same. > > Chak But then you'd probably have every cat in the neighborhood peeing there as well. Have you ever noticed how much cat urine smells like juniper?
Pam S. who's allergic to juniper and hates the smell of it
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 16 May 2006 21:00 GMT > Have you ever noticed how much cat urine smells like juniper? Absolutely! To me, Juniper smells like cat pee would smell, if cat pee smelled good. :)
Joyce
Jo Firey - 16 May 2006 20:24 GMT >> Have checked out several web pages. They suggest coyote or fox urine >> (and have some for sale) or various types of trap. All for sale. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > example) at fairly low costs. Not wine vinegar but vinegar made of > spirits, not sure if it's also called just vinegar... Ammonia is also easy to find and reasonably priced. Just avoid the "sudsy" variety.
Jo
Stormin Mormon - 16 May 2006 22:10 GMT Thanks for the ammonia idea. Bet that would soak nicely into kitty litter (which is highly absorbant).
Why not the sudsy kind?
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> Found a site that suggested rags soaked in ammonia. http://www.livingwithwildlife.org/wildlifehelp/animals/woodchuck.html
> Not sure what ammonia costs, but could vinegar work instead. At least here > there are large bottles of vinegar available (for pickling cucumber for > example) at fairly low costs. Not wine vinegar but vinegar made of > spirits, not sure if it's also called just vinegar... Ammonia is also easy to find and reasonably priced. Just avoid the "sudsy" variety.
Jo
W. Leong - 16 May 2006 21:06 GMT > Found a site that suggested rags soaked in ammonia. > http://www.livingwithwildlife.org/wildlifehelp/animals/woodchuck.html [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > example) at fairly low costs. Not wine vinegar but vinegar made of > spirits, not sure if it's also called just vinegar... Do you mean white vinegar? Here they come in 4L jugs. I add vinegar to my wash to acidify it as per my doctor's instruction for my sensitive skin. You can also use it for cleaning, and unclog pipes together with baking soda. Very handy to have around.
Winnie
Stormin Mormon - 18 May 2006 03:48 GMT I just bought some ammonia at the grocry, for about a buck a half galon. Got some bleach, too, that was maybe a couple bucks a galon. Can't remebmer. It wasn't much.
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
> Have checked out several web pages. They suggest coyote or fox urine > (and have some for sale) or various types of trap. All for sale. > > Any cheap and easy answers come to mind? Found a site that suggested rags soaked in ammonia. http://www.livingwithwildlife.org/wildlifehelp/animals/woodchuck.html
Not sure what ammonia costs, but could vinegar work instead. At least here there are large bottles of vinegar available (for pickling cucumber for example) at fairly low costs. Not wine vinegar but vinegar made of spirits, not sure if it's also called just vinegar...
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Jo Firey - 18 May 2006 05:16 GMT >I just bought some ammonia at the grocry, for about a buck a half > galon. Got some bleach, too, that was maybe a couple bucks a galon. > Can't remebmer. It wasn't much. OK I'm pretty sure you don't want to be mixing those.
Stormin Mormon - 19 May 2006 12:21 GMT Unless you want to kill something.
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>I just bought some ammonia at the grocry, for about a buck a half > galon. Got some bleach, too, that was maybe a couple bucks a galon. > Can't remebmer. It wasn't much. OK I'm pretty sure you don't want to be mixing those.
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 20 May 2006 00:21 GMT > Unless you want to kill something. Fine, go right ahead! (You overlook the fact that the fumes would probably reach you before they got to the woodchucks, but perhaps you WANT to win a Darwin award.)
Singh - 20 May 2006 01:36 GMT Like yourself?! Bleach and ammonia aren't buddies, and together they'll trash the chuckies, you, and every living being in your trailer park.
> Unless you want to kill something. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > OK I'm pretty sure you don't want to be mixing those. Stormin Mormon - 21 May 2006 05:09 GMT There's not that much chlorine in a quart or so of liquid.
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Like yourself?! Bleach and ammonia aren't buddies, and together they'll trash the chuckies, you, and every living being in your trailer park.
Stormin Mormon wrote:
> Unless you want to kill something. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > OK I'm pretty sure you don't want to be mixing those. Ann - 16 May 2006 19:32 GMT Any meat eater urine should work. You could try your own. I would suggest peeing into a container and sprinkling it in the area. Ann
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> I've been filling chuck holes. Last couple days, I've filled three > tunnels under my trailer skirting. Two holes in the ground behind the [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > http://www.nps.gov/acad/flow/pix/woodchuck.jpg Christine K. - 16 May 2006 19:59 GMT > Any meat eater urine should work. You could try your own. I would suggest > peeing into a container and sprinkling it in the area. > Ann Cat urine? He could chuck litter box offerings down the woodchucks burrows...
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Stormin Mormon - 16 May 2006 22:10 GMT Oddly enough, another person already suggested dumping kitty litter (used) into the hole. I may try that. Now, to find someone who has a cat....
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Ann wrote:
> Any meat eater urine should work. You could try your own. I would suggest > peeing into a container and sprinkling it in the area. > Ann Cat urine? He could chuck litter box offerings down the woodchucks burrows...
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Stormin Mormon - 18 May 2006 03:48 GMT Yep, I was thinking dirty litter with lots of lumps.
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Ann wrote:
> Any meat eater urine should work. You could try your own. I would suggest > peeing into a container and sprinkling it in the area. > Ann Cat urine? He could chuck litter box offerings down the woodchucks burrows...
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Stormin Mormon - 16 May 2006 22:10 GMT Collect a bucket of urine at work, and pour it all down the hole? Might be an idea. Like the episode of MASH where they thought Burns had hepititis. "temporary officers latrine"
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Any meat eater urine should work. You could try your own. I would suggest peeing into a container and sprinkling it in the area. Ann
NanCe - 16 May 2006 21:13 GMT >Today there is a new hole. About 4 inch diameter. I ran the garden >hose into the hole, and turned on for about five minutes. No signs of >filling up. So, it must be a pretty big cavern. It may be a mama having her her babies in there; pls keep that in mind if you're considering trapping.
Stormin Mormon - 16 May 2006 22:10 GMT Personally, I'd like the intruder cold dead. As for a "mommy" intruder with baby intruders, well, I'd like em ALL dead.
 Signature Christopher A. Young You can't shout down a troll. You have to starve them. .
>Today there is a new hole. About 4 inch diameter. I ran the garden >hose into the hole, and turned on for about five minutes. No signs of >filling up. So, it must be a pretty big cavern. It may be a mama having her her babies in there; pls keep that in mind if you're considering trapping.
Jo Firey - 16 May 2006 23:58 GMT > Personally, I'd like the intruder cold dead. As for a "mommy" intruder > with baby intruders, well, I'd like em ALL dead. Normally I'd think you sound kinda cruel. But my recent interactions with mice and other home invaders have me on your side.
I just came home from Home Depot last week with $50 worth of various types of poisons. I'm going to kill something dammit!
(And being extreme careful not to expose the various furballs to anything that is toxic to them. I do not however want to hear any of them whinning about being treated with Advantage. Not when I'm getting flea bites too.)
Charlie is concerned lest the mice suffer before they die. The mice have eaten the hoses out of my washing machine four times in the past year. I'm feeling somewhat less tenderhearted.
Jo
Stormin Mormon - 16 May 2006 22:10 GMT Now that you mention it, the thought makes me want (even more) to get em. Bad enough to have one woodchuck, but even worse to have em breeding in my back yard. Kill. Kill. Kill.
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It may be a mama having her her babies in there; pls keep that in mind if you're considering trapping.
mlbriggs - 17 May 2006 01:20 GMT > Now that you mention it, the thought makes me want (even more) to get > em. Bad enough to have one woodchuck, but even worse to have em [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > if > you're considering trapping. It sounds like animal cruelty to me. Trap and take them to a wild area. MLB
Stormin Mormon - 18 May 2006 03:43 GMT Cruelty is when you kill them slowly for pleasure. Business is killing them fast cause they are doing damage.
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On Tue, 16 May 2006 21:10:47 +0000, Stormin Mormon wrote:
> Now that you mention it, the thought makes me want (even more) to get > em. Bad enough to have one woodchuck, but even worse to have em [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > if > you're considering trapping. It sounds like animal cruelty to me. Trap and take them to a wild area. MLB
NanCe - 18 May 2006 16:41 GMT >Cruelty is when you kill them slowly for pleasure. Business is killing >them fast cause they are doing damage. How do you know they'll die quickly? And why would you kill them when you can call someone to trap them instead? Anyone who can kill baby animals has more problems than woodchucks under his trailer.
Stormin Mormon - 19 May 2006 12:21 GMT Q: How do you know they'll die quickly? A: You don't.
Q: And why would you kill them when you can call someone to trap them instead? A: Cause trap and release is about as effective as bailing the ocean from one side of the boat to the other. And "call someone" costs money which I don't have.
Q: Anyone who can kill baby animals has more problems than woodchucks under his trailer. A: Anyone who worries about baby woodchucks is town bred person who doesn't understand the country reality that some animals just needs killing. Go back to your cafe late' and your HDTV; you need more cable channels to fill your time. You aparently don't have enough real work to do.
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
>Cruelty is when you kill them slowly for pleasure. Business is killing >them fast cause they are doing damage. How do you know they'll die quickly? And why would you kill them when you can call someone to trap them instead? Anyone who can kill baby animals has more problems than woodchucks under his trailer.
Jo Firey - 19 May 2006 20:07 GMT > Q: How do you know they'll die quickly? > A: You don't. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > cable channels to fill your time. You aparently don't have enough real > work to do. Still don't like your tone, but still see your point. (Laughing. Really)
I almost got a cute picture of a ground squirrel popping his head out of his hole last night at my grandson's Little League game.
But the league is doing everything they can to get rid of the ground squirrels and gophers.
And given the choice is between doing in the cute little vermin or breaking some kids ankles, I'm all for getting rid of the cute little vermin. Sorry, I don't see that the age or cute factor of said vermin is a factor.
Jo
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 20 May 2006 00:17 GMT > Q: How do you know they'll die quickly? > A: You don't. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > doesn't understand the country reality that some animals just needs > killing. Some HUMAN animals do, too - a pity it's frowned upon by the authorities! "Town bred" people encounter nuisance animals like squirrels and raccoons and possums (and woodchucks) too. ....Also coyotes, where we've taken over their natural habitat. Most of us manage to deal with the problem without resorting to the murder of our fellow creatures.
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 20 May 2006 01:01 GMT > > A: Anyone who worries about baby woodchucks is town bred person who > > doesn't understand the country reality that some animals just needs > > killing.
> Some HUMAN animals do, too - a pity it's frowned upon by the > authorities! "Town bred" people encounter nuisance animals > like squirrels and raccoons and possums (and woodchucks) > too. ....Also coyotes, where we've taken over their natural > habitat. <snicker>
Joyce
sriddles@aol.com - 20 May 2006 00:39 GMT > Q: How do you know they'll die quickly? > A: You don't. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Christopher A. Young FYI, anyone who worries about baby woodchucks is *not* necessarily "town bred." There's nothing wrong with respecting all forms of life; particularly wildlife, and there's hardly any wildlife that you can't either re-locate, if you want to badly enough, or discourage. You have to *want to* badly enough. Wood chucks can be relocated quite successfully, according to several articles I found simply by googling. It wouldn't hurt to try, before you start eradicating them.
According to some articles I read, you can keep them out from under your trailer with a simple mesh/chicken wire fence. . All you need is a roll of 4-foot high chicken wire and some wooden stakes. The article went on to say:
The top portion of the fence only needs to be 2 ½ to 3 feet high but it should be staked so that it's wobbly -- i.e. the mesh should not be pulled tight between the stakes but rather, there should be some "give" so that when the woodchuck tries to climb the fence, it will wobble which will discourage him. Then he'll try to dig under the fence, so: Tip #2: Extend your mesh fence 4 inches straight down into the ground and then bend it and extend the final 8-12 inches outward, away from the garden, in a "L"-shape which creates a false bottom (you can also put this mesh "flap" on top of the ground but be sure to secure it firmly with landscaping staples or the woodchuck will go under it). When the woodchuck digs down and hits this mesh flap, he'll think he can't dig any farther and give up. It won't occur to him to stand back a foot and THEN start digging! IF YOU AREN'T WILLING TO PUT UP A FENCE, you can also try the following scare techniques, which do work in some cases: 1) Line your garden with helium-filled, silver mylar balloons or make a low fence made of twisted, reflective mylar tape bought at your local party store. Be sure to purchase heavier weights to attach to the bottom of the balloons. The balloons bobbing in the wind will scare the woodchucks. 2) Sprinkle cayenne pepper around the plants and spray your plants with a taste repellent such as Ropel (available at garden stores) every 2 weeks.
The mylar balloon thing sounds interesting. It would not hurt to try that, or the fence too. Wouldn't be too much trouble or expense.
Sherry
Singh - 20 May 2006 01:43 GMT My father used to plant rows of marigolds around his lilies (he was a prize lily-man) because they're supposed to keep rabbits away. I think it worked; we never had little buck-teeth marks on the flowers. Perhaps there is some kind of herb or combination of greenery that can be unpleasant to a woodchuck's nose.
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> 2) Sprinkle cayenne pepper around the plants and spray your plants with > a taste repellent such as Ropel (available at garden stores) every 2 [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Sherry Christine K. - 20 May 2006 06:37 GMT > My father used to plant rows of marigolds around his lilies (he was a prize > lily-man) because they're supposed to keep rabbits away. I think it worked; [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Blessed be, > Baha Planting garlic around your salad patch is also supposed to deter rabbits, maybe it would keep away woodchucks too...
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Stormin Mormon - 21 May 2006 05:09 GMT I didn't find any mention of that on the web. But, it's very possible.
 Signature Christopher A. Young You can't shout down a troll. You have to starve them. .
My father used to plant rows of marigolds around his lilies (he was a prize lily-man) because they're supposed to keep rabbits away. I think it worked; we never had little buck-teeth marks on the flowers. Perhaps there is some kind of herb or combination of greenery that can be unpleasant to a woodchuck's nose.
Blessed be, Baha
sriddles@aol.com wrote:
> 2) Sprinkle cayenne pepper around the plants and spray your plants with > a taste repellent such as Ropel (available at garden stores) every 2 [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Sherry Singh - 20 May 2006 01:36 GMT Doesn't your county have some kind of animal control office you can call to get rid of unwanted wild critters? We do, next county over. Perhaps there may be a hu7mane solution.
> >Cruelty is when you kill them slowly for pleasure. Business is killing > >them fast cause they are doing damage. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > -- > Message posted via http://www.catkb.com Stormin Mormon - 21 May 2006 05:09 GMT As a right wing conservative, I do try to take care of my own problems. One of my problems is that there's too much government. My money goes to taxes, to pay people to pass more laws, to tell me what to do.
Rather find a non government controlled solution.
 Signature Christopher A. Young You can't shout down a troll. You have to starve them. .
Doesn't your county have some kind of animal control office you can call to get rid of unwanted wild critters? We do, next county over. Perhaps there may be a hu7mane solution.
"NanCe via CatKB.com" wrote:
> Stormin Mormon wrote: > >Cruelty is when you kill them slowly for pleasure. Business is killing [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > -- > Message posted via http://www.catkb.com Yowie - 16 May 2006 22:37 GMT > I've been filling chuck holes. Last couple days, I've filled three > tunnels under my trailer skirting. Two holes in the ground behind the [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > http://www.nps.gov/acad/flow/pix/woodchuck.jpg They are *so* cute. They look like a cross between a beaver and a wombat. No way could I kill one... heck, I can't even kill the odd fieldmouse that turns up at our place (neither can the cats, apparantly)
Yowie
dnr - 17 May 2006 03:54 GMT >> I've been filling chuck holes. Last couple days, I've filled three >> tunnels under my trailer skirting. Two holes in the ground behind the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> Here is a typical picture I found on the web: >> http://www.nps.gov/acad/flow/pix/woodchuck.jpg
> They are *so* cute. They look like a cross between a beaver and a wombat. > No way could I kill one... heck, I can't even kill the odd fieldmouse that > turns up at our place (neither can the cats, apparantly) > Yowie I'm w/you, Yowie...but we are not male, and the critters are not under *our* home! Chris wants to get rid of them and their digging and I don't blame him. All I could think of is - not urine from anybody/thing - but why don't you try filling those holes w/quick-dry cement mix.....can't make for friendly habitat for these rat-like critters? Then again, I dunno, having never seen one - big-city urban upbringing. However, my RB father, native of middle-Tenn. (75 miles south of Nashville...you readin', Eldredge?) used to sing-song this little ditty (there's more but I can't remember it) to me when I was little: "How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?" - say it real fast, LOL......little levity here, Chris will probably not be amused.....
sriddles@aol.com - 17 May 2006 04:32 GMT > >> I've been filling chuck holes. Last couple days, I've filled three > >> tunnels under my trailer skirting. Two holes in the ground behind the [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > not > be amused..... I'm also glad they're not killing them....but....I don't think I've ever seen a woodchuck. Is it like a gopher? If so, is there a colony of them? Seems like it would be hard to trap them all. Or are they more like chipmunks? (I *have* seen them at Yellowstone. Thought it was cute until about 100 converged on us, then they began to look more like rodents) Sherry Good luck with that, anyway. Sherry
Kreisleriana - 17 May 2006 04:56 GMT >> >> I've been filling chuck holes. Last couple days, I've filled three >> >> tunnels under my trailer skirting. Two holes in the ground behind the [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] >Good luck with that, anyway. >Sherry Woodchucks=groundhogs. They're members of the marmot family. Check out Punxsutawney Phil. ;)
There was for many years a groundhog in the Central Park Zoo named Gladys. She was friendly, and walked around the zoo freely sometimes. She was absolutely spherical. She looked like a brown furry beach ball with buck teeth. ;)
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Magic Mood Jeep© - 17 May 2006 14:40 GMT >>>>> I've been filling chuck holes. Last couple days, I've filled three >>>>> tunnels under my trailer skirting. Two holes in the ground behind [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > > Make Levees, Not War They are also known as whistle-pigs. Think of that tunnelling character from the Winnie The Pooh cartoons (from Disney), who has a whislte-lisp.
Tanada - 17 May 2006 20:56 GMT > They are *so* cute. They look like a cross between a beaver and a wombat. No > way could I kill one... heck, I can't even kill the odd fieldmouse that > turns up at our place (neither can the cats, apparantly) > > Yowie they are cute, until they tear up a freshly planted lawn, undermine the foundations of your buildings, leave holes in your yard, and act like a furry armadillos.
Stormin Mormon - 18 May 2006 03:43 GMT Sounds like the voice of experience.
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they are cute, until they tear up a freshly planted lawn, undermine the foundations of your buildings, leave holes in your yard, and act like a furry armadillos.
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