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CatNipped - 14 May 2006 15:57 GMT To all mothers on this group, and the mothers of members of this group...
HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY!
I hope you all have a beautiful day.
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Monique Y. Mudama - 14 May 2006 17:35 GMT > To all mothers on this group, and the mothers of members of this > group... > > HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY! > > I hope you all have a beautiful day. What she said!
I had a local (to my mom) florist send mom a Hydrangia bush. She said it's beautiful. (Score!)
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W. Leong - 14 May 2006 17:57 GMT > What she said! > > I had a local (to my mom) florist send mom a Hydrangia bush. She said > it's beautiful. (Score!) You sound like the commentator of a hockey game :)
I just called my Mom. The phone lines are not busy as Mother's Day used to be the busiest day for long distance calls. But now with all the cell phones, probably the land lines are not used as much.
Winnie
badwilson - 15 May 2006 03:59 GMT >> What she said! >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > But now with all the cell phones, probably the > land lines are not used as much. We took advantage of those super cheap long distance calling cards they sell here (probably mostly for backpackers) and called our moms. It's 0.5 cents/minute to call Canada! Crazy! We talked for over an hour to each mom and it cost less than a dollar per call! Wooo :-)
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W. Leong - 15 May 2006 04:54 GMT > We took advantage of those super cheap long distance calling cards they > sell here (probably mostly for backpackers) and called our moms. It's 0.5 > cents/minute to call Canada! Crazy! We talked for over an hour to each > mom and it cost less than a dollar per call! Wooo :-) Wow that is a good deal. I should look into long distance calling cards.
Winnie
Yowie - 14 May 2006 22:41 GMT >> To all mothers on this group, and the mothers of members of this >> group... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I had a local (to my mom) florist send mom a Hydrangia bush. She said > it's beautiful. (Score!) I searched high and low for a CD by 'il Divo". It was sold out *everywhere*. So eventually I got my Mum a CD by Michael Buble and another by Faustio, because they were dicsounted and together were the value of the "il Divo" CD.
And then, on the way to Mum's yesterday, i stopped off a the mall to pick up something for afternoon tea, and there was an 'il Divo' CD sitting in the DVD rack. Whilst there were no il Divo CDs where they ought to be (and why the shop thought they'd sold out), I couldn't go past it after the amount of seraching I had done. So Mum scored 3 CDs this year, and I had to apologise to Dad for 'overspending' on Mum :-)
As for me, I got a hand painting and lots of hugs and big baby-slurp kisses. Now if I could just bottle the kisses and cuddles and take a few out when I miss him at work..... but I'll behanging hte pictue up there.
Yowie
W. Leong - 14 May 2006 23:06 GMT > As for me, I got a hand painting and lots of hugs and big baby-slurp > kisses. Now if I could just bottle the kisses and cuddles and take a few > out when I miss him at work..... but I'll behanging hte pictue up there. Once I had a manager at work who had a picture of her 2 cats right next to her computer. At the time she didn't have kids. Don't know whether the cat picture got replaced by a picture of her kids, or just co-exist with it.
Winnie
> Yowie Shiral - 14 May 2006 18:26 GMT Ditto! =o) To all those with two feet first, and then salutes to the four-footed mothers.
Francesca and her obstreperous kitten began the day with a noisy squabble in the living room--I think the chance that Nina has ordered her mother a dozen roses for Mother's Day is just about nil.
Melissa
Marina - 14 May 2006 19:06 GMT > Ditto! =o) To all those with two feet first, and then salutes to the > four-footed mothers. > > Francesca and her obstreperous kitten began the day with a noisy > squabble in the living room--I think the chance that Nina has ordered > her mother a dozen roses for Mother's Day is just about nil. LOL. Speaking about roses, I got two today, and I don't even have any barekittens. My middle sister and I took our mother out for lunch to a restaurant on one of the islands outside Helsinki. With the after-lunch coffee and cake, they gave each woman a rose.
On the tram on the way home, an employee of Helsinki City Transport got on the tram with a big basket of roses and gave one to each woman on the tram. I've put both roses in a vase togehter, but Caliban is veeery interested. I doubt there will be anything left of them in the morning.
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W. Leong - 14 May 2006 19:28 GMT > LOL. Speaking about roses, I got two today, and I don't even have any > barekittens. My middle sister and I took our mother out for lunch to a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > tram. I've put both roses in a vase togehter, but Caliban is veeery > interested. I doubt there will be anything left of them in the morning. Oh how nice! OC Transpo has never done that. Wait, I haven't taken the bus today yet, so I may have spoken too soon, but I doubt it. There were free newspapers on buses once in a while, but I think that was the newspapers companies providing them to compete with some of the free papers around bus stops.
Winnie
Christina Websell - 14 May 2006 20:50 GMT > Ditto! =o) To all those with two feet first, and then salutes to the > four-footed mothers. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Melissa LOL!
Tweed
jmcquown - 14 May 2006 19:08 GMT > To all mothers on this group, and the mothers of members of this > group... > > HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY! > > I hope you all have a beautiful day. I had to remind my brothers today is Mother's Day. (sigh)
Mom actually scolded me when I called her for Mother's day for dating a 59 year old man. Mom, I'm not exactly a spring chicken and he's still the same number of years older as he was when I was 20. These things don't increase exponentially with time. LOL
My LLL and I have so much in common, why would (or *should*) age make a difference? We enjoy the same music; we enjoy the same types of films; we enjoy the same food; same types of leisure activities, etc. etc. etc. What, I'm supposed to put an age limit on what my heart feels?
Sorry, didn't mean to go off on a tangent but sometimes she doesn't make a lot of sense.
Jill
Jo Firey - 14 May 2006 19:19 GMT >> To all mothers on this group, and the mothers of members of this >> group... [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Jill Makes no sense to me. A dear friend just lost his wife of ten years (and girlfriend of nearly twenty five) He is eighty something. She was sixty five. One reason they put off marriage for so long was their families feelings about the age difference.
Jo
jmcquown - 14 May 2006 19:28 GMT >>> To all mothers on this group, and the mothers of members of this >>> group... [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Jo I'm sorry your friend lost his wife :(
It is so difficult to find [that much over-used phrase] your "soul mate". I don't think when you find it, lose it and then find it again you should really question it too closely. And don't get me wrong; I consider my mom my best friend, but about this we don't agree.
Jill
Christine K. - 14 May 2006 19:31 GMT > It is so difficult to find [that much over-used phrase] your "soul mate". I > don't think when you find it, lose it and then find it again you should > really question it too closely. And don't get me wrong; I consider my mom > my best friend, but about this we don't agree. > > Jill My mom did have a few hiccups when I started seeing my present DH, Janne, but she got over it once she got to know him better. He's 13 years younger than me. I guess she was used to me being with my ex, who was 8 years older than me...
Age is just a number, it's what you feel that matters.
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dnr - 14 May 2006 22:12 GMT >> It is so difficult to find [that much over-used phrase] your "soul mate". >> I [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> my best friend, but about this we don't agree. >> Jill
> My mom did have a few hiccups when I started seeing my present DH, Janne, > but she got over it once she got to know him better. He's 13 years younger > than me. I guess she was used to me being with my ex, who was 8 years > older than me... > Age is just a number, it's what you feel that matters. > Christine in Vantaa, Finland Happy Mom's Day, Jill & Christine, fellow Meowmies. Jill dear, you gotta learn to let your parents' comments blow right over your emotions w/o having any effect. They never will "get it" but you'll be a lot less hassled. What you and your LLL have is precious, hold onto it.
And Christine (do you ever watch "Sex & the City"? Very "Samantha" - your younger DH, Janne, and your bond w/him is precious, too. Some of us don't do relationships well, and envy you.....
Yowie - 14 May 2006 22:45 GMT >> It is so difficult to find [that much over-used phrase] your "soul mate". >> I [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Age is just a number, it's what you feel that matters. Joel is 6 years younger than me. Steve, my BIL, is 15 years older than my sister. Phooey to those who judge the relationship by the gap in ages.
Sorry you Mum was being tactless.
Yowie
Magic Mood Jeep© - 14 May 2006 22:47 GMT >> It is so difficult to find [that much over-used phrase] your "soul >> mate". I don't think when you find it, lose it and then find it [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Age is just a number, it's what you feel that matters. My best friend's mom is remairried, her 2nd hubby (my friend's step-dad), and he is he is closer to my friend's age than to her mom's age! I say Score One for my friend's Mom! Myn friend thinks it's a bit weird, but they all get along, and he's cool! We go over to their house, and they hand you a beer (or in my case, a wine cooler or Smirnoff Ice, since I don't like beer) as soon as you walk in the door. Since I'm a couple years older than my friend, his age is even closer to mine. We sit around, getting drunk and talking about the "oldies" on the radio. Somehow we got around to peanut butter... (don't aske me how), and he remembers Koogle! Either chocolate, vanilla or banana flavored peanut butter! It was hard at our house - my sis like banana, I like vanilla, and bro like chocolate!
Monique Y. Mudama - 14 May 2006 19:33 GMT > Mom actually scolded me when I called her for Mother's day for > dating a 59 year old man. Mom, I'm not exactly a spring chicken and [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Sorry, didn't mean to go off on a tangent but sometimes she doesn't > make a lot of sense. My therapist said something to me that made a lot of sense. In my case I was talking about my mom talking to me about my weight.
My therapist said that it's actually none of my mother's business. This startled me, but it's true. I'm an adult, and it's not her problem or her business. By trying to explain myself or make excuses for my supposed overweightness, I am validating her belief that it's any of her business, because I believe it myself. But when I think about it -- no, it really isn't.
Anyway, not trying to talk about me here -- what I'm trying to say is, the same is true for your mom. Yes, she loves you and cares about you, but there is absolutely no reason for you to have to justify yourself and your choices to your mother, or anyone else. You're an adult. It's your call. For me, the trouble is that deep inside, I have been thinking that it *is* her business. I think the realization that it isn't will help me deal with my mother calmly and reasonably. If you're experiencing something similar, maybe that will help.
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bobblespin - 14 May 2006 21:43 GMT (snip)
> Anyway, not trying to talk about me here -- what I'm trying to say is, > the same is true for your mom. Yes, she loves you and cares about you, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > isn't will help me deal with my mother calmly and reasonably. If > you're experiencing something similar, maybe that will help. I was in my 50s before I stopped justifying myself to my mother. And it feels so good when you finally do it! (But I always do it nicely.)
Bobble
Christina Websell - 14 May 2006 22:09 GMT > (snip) >> Anyway, not trying to talk about me here -- what I'm trying to say is, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Bobble I can identify with that. I was taking my mother shopping one day, we were in my car, and she was trying to tell me what to do in all aspects of my life. I said "Mum, do you realise I am older than you were when you gave birth to my brothers?" It stopped her in her tracks. She said "Uh, no, I'd never thought about it like that.." So I asked if I would ever be old enough for her to trust my judgment and she said, no, probably not! LOL!
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Katrina - 14 May 2006 22:10 GMT > (snip) >> Anyway, not trying to talk about me here -- what I'm trying to say is, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I was in my 50s before I stopped justifying myself to my mother. And > it feels so good when you finally do it! (But I always do it nicely.) I figured that out when I was in my 20's... My husband and I married when I was 18 and he was 19, so we were really young (we're still together 30+ years later, and still best friends). Mom didn't really criticize our marriage, but she did have all kinds of advice on how we should handle our finances and raise our sons. I just smiled, nodded, let her have her say, and then did what I felt was best. My sisters used to get into all kinds of arguements with mom in part because they would try to justify themselves or change her mind, and she of course would try to change theirs. It didn't help that they tended to feel that if she could voice her opinion on their behavior that they had the right to voice their opinions on *hers*. Not fun to be around....
Katrina
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Monique Y. Mudama - 15 May 2006 04:52 GMT > I was in my 50s before I stopped justifying myself to my mother. > And it feels so good when you finally do it! (But I always do it > nicely.) Any hints on phrases to use?
My problem is that I revert to being a child, and have the emotional responses of a child, when my parents and I get into these "discussions." In the past, I have planned and plotted the rational and adult thing to say until you'd think I'd have it down pat -- but in the heat of the moment, boom, everything flies out the window and I'm a kid again, rising whiny voice and all.
I'm working on it. Then again, I'm only 28 -- you probably would call me a child, anyway!
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Tish Silberbauer - 15 May 2006 05:00 GMT >> I was in my 50s before I stopped justifying myself to my mother. >> And it feels so good when you finally do it! (But I always do it [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >I'm working on it. Then again, I'm only 28 -- you probably would call >me a child, anyway! Eh, I'm almost 10 years older than you and I still haven't worked it out. I'm currently trying the "keep silent and it will go away" technique, which sometimes works and sometimes is taken as an invitation for my mother to elaborate on her point. I've tried all sorts of approaches over the years, particularly since my mother came to live with us, and nothing has worked. I'm apparently more of an object (e.g. "you're my daughter and I will say what I want") than a person who is capable of working things out for myself. Of course, the fact that I *am* fat is justification for anything she says (in her mind at least). Nearly all the women I know have problems with their mothers nagging them about minor issues (which become Major Issues within the family dynamic). My MIL, for example, is a lovely, gentle, unassuming woman and even *she* drives her 40 year-old daughter (my SIL) nuts with her harping on about certain, touchy subjects (which has, I believe, been going on for nearly 30 years!). My DH, being The Boy in the family, seems to escape such things and, therefore, can't understand what me and my SIL get upset about.
Tish
Monique Y. Mudama - 15 May 2006 16:11 GMT > Eh, I'm almost 10 years older than you and I still haven't worked it > out. I'm currently trying the "keep silent and it will go away" > technique, which sometimes works and sometimes is taken as an > invitation for my mother to elaborate on her point. I've tried all > sorts of approaches over the years, particularly since my mother came > to live with us, and nothing has worked. Oof. I love my parents and, if they needed it, I would certainly take them into my home, but I can't even imagine how stressful that could be. Purrs for you.
I have thought about, rather than silence, simply leaving. On the phone, if it comes up, saying, "Hey, I have to go now. Talk to you later." And if it's in person, "Hey, I need to run some errands/go to work/etc, I'll catch up with you later." The idea, much like pet training, would be to have the trainee associate my leaving with their actions, not me.
To be honest and give credit where credit is due, for the most part my parents have managed not to do much that would necessitate that kind of response in the last few months. I think I am also learning to communicate with them better, or rather, learning that sometimes it's okay not to share everything.
> I'm apparently more of an object (e.g. "you're my daughter and I will > say what I want") than a person who is capable of working things out > for myself. Of course, the fact that I *am* fat is justification for > anything she says (in her mind at least). *sigh* more purrs. For my mom, everything is justified by supposed concern for my future well being. I did talk to her on the phone and gently suggest that it would be great if she didn't say anything about my weight while she's here, because I'm already under plenty of stress. Of course she made all sorts of "I can't believe you would even suggest that I would say such a thing!" noises. Like she's never said something like that in her life. It's truly amazing.
> Nearly all the women I know have problems with their mothers nagging > them about minor issues (which become Major Issues within the family [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > seems to escape such things and, therefore, can't understand what me > and my SIL get upset about. Come to think of it, you may have a point there. Moms and daughters have some tough times.
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bobblespin - 15 May 2006 13:54 GMT > Any hints on phrases to use?
>My problem is that I revert to being a child, and have the emotional >responses of a child, when my parents and I get into these >"discussions." In the past, I have planned and plotted the rational >and adult thing to say until you'd think I'd have it down pat -- but >in the heat of the moment, boom, everything flies out the window and >I'm a kid again, rising whiny voice and all. The trick is not to get into a discussion about it. I usually say: "That's the way I do it."
If she goes on about the terrible things that might happen to me if I do it that way, I just say "Well, I'll deal with it if it happens." and then change the subject.
If she goes on some more, I repeat the same sentences until she eventually realizes she's not getting anywhere. Practice makes perfect.
Monique Y. Mudama - 15 May 2006 16:06 GMT >> Any hints on phrases to use? > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > eventually realizes she's not getting anywhere. Practice makes > perfect. That sounds good. I can use that for many of the things that mom talks about (job, clothing, housekeeping, decorating).
Not sure how I can adapt that for the "*sigh*, you never used to eat this much when you were a teenager, what happened?" or the "*intake of breath* where did all these pimples come from? Aren't you washing your face well enough? What are you eating?" business.
Hrm. Maybe I can think of something.
Maybe just, every time she says something like that, "Mom, that's really hurtful, and it's not going to help me. Let's talk about something else." If I can truly say it in an even tone and not give in to the hurt and anger, I think that could work.
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Marina - 15 May 2006 18:13 GMT > The trick is not to get into a discussion about it. I usually say: "That's > the way I do it." > > If she goes on about the terrible things that might happen to me if I do it > that way, I just say "Well, I'll deal with it if it happens." and then > change the subject. I never had this kind of problem with my mother, but sometimes my middle sister needs to 'put me in my place.' She's always been doing it. She's four years older than me, so for a long time, I was the annoying little sister. We've become good friends since we both moved away from home, though. Sometimes she still does it. I remember once, a couple of years ago on the island, I was brewing a pot of tea for myself (she wasn't having tea). She criticized the way I was doing it. I just calmly said, 'well, I'm the one who is going to drink it, so you don't need to worry about it.' I think it was the first time I ever replied to her taunts in a somewhat mature way, and she was completely taken aback. I think she's even treated me with more respect since. Just such a little thing can make such a big difference.
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CatNipped - 15 May 2006 13:59 GMT >> I was in my 50s before I stopped justifying myself to my mother. >> And it feels so good when you finally do it! (But I always do it [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I'm working on it. Then again, I'm only 28 -- you probably would call > me a child, anyway! It's easy. Just tell her exactly what she wants to hear and then do exactly what you want to do. For example, if she says, "Monique, you need to lose weight," say, "Yeah, I know mom, I *am* overweight, I'm on a diet now." You can even be eating a piece of cake when you say that - most of the time what your mom says to you is sort of "auto-mom-speak" so most of the time she won't even note the contradiction. If she does notice just say, "I know, isn't this a great diet - it allows me to eat cake every once in a while."
As hackneyed as it sounds, Dr. Phil has a saying that is absolutely golden - "Do you want to be right, or do you want to be happy?" A lot of time, just the appearance of giving in and allowing someone else to be right (even when you know inside that *you're* right), makes your life so much easier and so much happier.
[And yeah, my daughter is 6 years older than you!!! ;>]
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W. Leong - 15 May 2006 15:49 GMT > It's easy. Just tell her exactly what she wants to hear and then do > exactly what you want to do. For example, if she says, "Monique, you need [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > say, "I know, isn't this a great diet - it allows me to eat cake every > once in a while." I have learned to just say 'Yes Mom' and that usually ended the lecture from Mom. I am in my 50's and I still get lectures. Once I asked her whether she got lectures from grandmother when she was my age.
Winnie
> See all my masters at: http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped/ Monique Y. Mudama - 15 May 2006 16:52 GMT > I have learned to just say 'Yes Mom' and that usually ended the > lecture from Mom. Oh, if only that worked!
Did you ever read Joy Luck Club? Even though I'm not Chinese, I felt like I could identify strongly with the daughters, because my mom is German and also in some ways grew up in a culture different from mine. Every Amy Tan book I've read has been very good, and has given me insight into family dynamics.
There's a scene where a daughter blows up at her mom for making her miserable all the time. The mom is joyous that her daughter gives her so much importance and has been paying attention all this time. Something like that. It's been a while since I read it. I never totally understood what the mother was thinking, but I felt like it represented something like my relationship with my mom.
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W. Leong - 15 May 2006 17:01 GMT >> I have learned to just say 'Yes Mom' and that usually ended the >> lecture from Mom. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > totally understood what the mother was thinking, but I felt like it > represented something like my relationship with my mom. I saw the movie but didn't read the book. Can't remember much of it. What other books did Amy Tan wrote?
Both my mother and I went to English schools and were raised in a British colony. Many think we are too westernized. e.g. I learned to write my English name (which my mother gave me when I was a baby) before I could write my Chinese name. I remember well my kindergarden teacher reaction to it.
But we still have a lot of traditional Chinese in us. I admit I blew up on my mother on occasions and she let me know in uncertain terms she was upset about it.
Winnie
Monique Y. Mudama - 15 May 2006 17:45 GMT > I saw the movie but didn't read the book. Can't remember much of it. > What other books did Amy Tan wrote? My favorite Amy Tan book is The Bonesetter's Daughter. The basic idea is a Chinese-American daughter trying to understand the life of her Chinese mother, who is slowly succumbing to Alzheimer's. It's a beautiful, poignant story.
> Both my mother and I went to English schools and were raised in a > British colony. Many think we are too westernized. e.g. I learned > to write my English name (which my mother gave me when I was a baby) > before I could write my Chinese name. I remember well my > kindergarden teacher reaction to it. It must be so frustrating living in a community like that.
> But we still have a lot of traditional Chinese in us. I admit I > blew up on my mother on occasions and she let me know in uncertain > terms she was upset about it. I have blown up at my mother a few times. When she's really hurt, she gets very quiet and confused-sounding, so totally different from my usual mom. Then I know I've done it, and I feel guilty forever. (Literally. I don't think I ever get over it.)
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W. Leong - 15 May 2006 18:14 GMT > My favorite Amy Tan book is The Bonesetter's Daughter. The basic idea > is a Chinese-American daughter trying to understand the life of her > Chinese mother, who is slowly succumbing to Alzheimer's. It's a > beautiful, poignant story. Oh yes I remember hearing about that book. The name of the book is not very appealing.
> It must be so frustrating living in a community like that.
> I have blown up at my mother a few times. When she's really hurt, she > gets very quiet and confused-sounding, so totally different from my > usual mom. Then I know I've done it, and I feel guilty forever. > (Literally. I don't think I ever get over it.) My mother gives me the silent treatment when she is upset with me. I always feel guilty after I blew up at her . Many friends and relatives keep telling me to sell my home and move it with my mother now that I don't have a job. That way we can keep each other company and I can save money. But I am concerned about possible fights with my mother. I left home when I was teenager and have been on my own since then. So I am staying put, at least for now. My mother probably should not be on her own at her age. But she is doing fine and keeps active. My brother lives not far from her, and goes see her at least once a week. I go see her once a year, and call her fairly frequently. I proabably will go visit her more frequently if I don't have to board Rusty at the vet's. I don't like flying with him. Besides, starting in the fall, Air Canada now requires all pets to go cargo because of allergy concerns.
Winnie
Monique Y. Mudama - 15 May 2006 16:02 GMT >> Any hints on phrases to use? >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > [And yeah, my daughter is 6 years older than you!!! ;>] I hear what you're saying, but this isn't exactly what I'm asking for. I know that I like to be right, but I feel like this is different. I don't want to enable my mother to continue saying these things, because I realize now that in fact it's none of her business. I'm slowly realizing that I'm probably not even overweight, not really, and by saying "I know I'm overweight" I am giving validity to an idea I'm trying very hard to shake off.
I don't think it will make me happy if I just accept my mom telling me things that are hurtful, like sighing and tut-tutting if I have any pimples (come *on*!) or making comments about what I should or shouldn't be eating, or the kind of lifestyle I should or shouldn't have.
Put it this way: I wouldn't put up with this crap from a friend or a stranger. I would know right away that they have no right to do that to me.
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CatNipped - 15 May 2006 17:57 GMT >>> Any hints on phrases to use? >>> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > and by saying "I know I'm overweight" I am giving validity to an idea > I'm trying very hard to shake off. OK, that was the easy out, but if you're uncomfortable with it there is only one other way to deal with it - don't deal with it. When she starts saying something negative about you, don't argue, just say, "I'm sorry mom, I have to go now (and if she doesn't get it after a few times add) - this negativity is bad for me and my therapist told me to distance myself from it, so bye!" Then leave or hang up - EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. Don't argue your point, just totally discount hers.
Monique, you're giving your mother *WAY* too much power over you. People will treat you exactly how you teach them to treat you. If you keep allowing her to upset you she will continue to do it because, obviously, she likes having that power over you. Sadly, the only way some people can feel important is the negative effect they have over someone else and doing it to their child is easy because of the dynamics of that relationship. But it's up to you to change those dynamics by acting like a grown-up and her equal when you're around her. Once she's sees that you *WILL NOT ALLOW* her to treat you that way, and that she will have less and less time with you the more she tries to treat you that way, believe me, she'll stop doing it. If she doesn't stop doing it, then it's time to start putting her out of your life except for token calls. I know that's harsh, but you have to think of yourself and your family first. [You *DO* know that IBD can be exacerbated by emotional upsets, don't you?]
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> I don't think it will make me happy if I just accept my mom telling me > things that are hurtful, like sighing and tut-tutting if I have any [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > stranger. I would know right away that they have no right to do that > to me. Christina Websell - 15 May 2006 18:15 GMT >>> Any hints on phrases to use? >>> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > stranger. I would know right away that they have no right to do that > to me. Ah, well, you must realise by now that mothers are "different." The normal rules of politeness do not apply to mother -> daughter interactions. It's perfectly okay, apparently, for our mothers to say exactly what they like to us (but not okay in reverse...) My mum often excused herself by saying "I'm only telling you for your own good." I bet you get that one too. I don't know what the answer is, there probably isn't one. For a lot of parents, as long as they are alive, you will be a child who has no common sense and needs their opinion on everything. It just doesn't seem possible to them that you can make a good decision yourself! When I lived at home, my mother was quite strict. She had complete control of everything, TV remote control, not allowed to help myself from the fridge without asking, etc. If I complained she used to say "Listen, this is *my* house and I make the rules here, when you have your own house *you* can make the rules." I really resented that. However, many years later she came to stay with me. In *my* house ;-) I had to say to her "please don't smoke upstairs in the bedroom, I want the upstairs decorations to stay clean, come downstairs if you want a cigarette." She was really offended. She said she liked to get up, make a cup of tea, go back to bed and smoke a ciggie. I said I knew she did, but I didn't allow smoking upstairs and never had. Oh, such a tantrum! I was accused of being inhospitable. Sort of "you are my daughter, I want to do this so you must let me." I said "Sorry, this is my house and I make the rules here." <g> She actually remembered saying this to me so often and asked me if I was doing it to get my own back. I said no, I don't allow smoking upstairs in my house, no-one is allowed, not just you. It was pretty satisfying though ;-)
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Jo Firey - 15 May 2006 17:03 GMT >> I was in my 50s before I stopped justifying myself to my mother. >> And it feels so good when you finally do it! (But I always do it [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I'm working on it. Then again, I'm only 28 -- you probably would call > me a child, anyway! I still remember clearly the look on my parents faces:
I was twenty and had just moved away from home. I was back on the weekend for dinner. After dinner the two of them started their usual "bickering for an audience" routine. I picked up my things and walked to the door and said "I've got to get home"
You could see it dawn on them that their house was no longer my only home and that they had lost the last of their captive audience.
In all fairness both my parents were pretty good about letting us kids be adults. We were the sort of teens any parents would be happy to help pack.
The only lingering problem was my mother's concern for my health. I wasn't a healthy child but her hovering and asking how I felt when they would come to visit could make me ill in about 10 days.
Jo
Monique Y. Mudama - 15 May 2006 17:22 GMT > I still remember clearly the look on my parents faces: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > You could see it dawn on them that their house was no longer my only > home and that they had lost the last of their captive audience. Nice!
Because I live so far away from my parents, when one of us is visiting the other, we really *are* a captive audience. On the phone, though ... I think doing this would certainly work.
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jmcquown - 14 May 2006 21:53 GMT >> Mom actually scolded me when I called her for Mother's day for >> dating a 59 year old man. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > My therapist said that it's actually none of my mother's business. You're absolutely right. I shouldn't look for some sort of validation from her about my decisions... it's hard to tell yourself that, though, isn't it? But yes, I told her I'm happy. He treats me with respect; so much better than the man who was my fiance ever thought about. Come to think of it, there's only *one* thing my former fiance ever thought about (and guess what that was LOL!). It's nice to be able to enjoy spending time with John doing things we both enjoy.
Your therapist is a wise person :)
Jill
Monique Y. Mudama - 15 May 2006 04:58 GMT >> My therapist said that it's actually none of my mother's business. >> > You're absolutely right. I shouldn't look for some sort of > validation from her about my decisions... it's hard to tell yourself > that, though, isn't it? Oh, god, yes it is.
Heh, said therapist asked if I wanted to skip an appointment the week mom was visiting. I said, heck no, of all my visits, I need this one the most!
> Your therapist is a wise person :) I think so. I've felt comfortable confiding so much more to her than I ever did with previous counsellors, and I feel like I get good value for it. She is a genuinely good person, and I can already tell that she's helped me in many ways. I plan to be seeing her for a long time.
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Christina Websell - 14 May 2006 20:50 GMT > To all mothers on this group, and the mothers of members of this group... > > HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY! > > I hope you all have a beautiful day. Absolutely! Most mothers are saints for putting up with their children in their teenage years :-) Here in the UK we have our Mothering Sunday (same sort of thing) in March. It's become a sad time for me after losing my mom unexpectedly in 2003, although I try and remember the nice times we had at this time of year instead of thinking I won't be able to do it again. At Sunday school when I was a very small child, maybe 7, we all made a card for our mothers for Mothering Sunday. Mine was cut out to make a basket of violets (had to have help with this, obviously) and I was touched to find while we were clearing the house out after her death, that she had kept it all these years. I cried, actually, when I saw it. I remember making it so well and I gave it to her with such love. Those of you whose mother is still here, make the most of her. If you have fallen out, make it up.
Tweed
Jo Firey - 15 May 2006 00:14 GMT >> To all mothers on this group, and the mothers of members of this group... >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Those of you whose mother is still here, make the most of her. If you > have fallen out, make it up. I'll second that. I sort of don't care for Mother's Day. Especially the week or so before. To see the cards and gifts in the store reminds me I don't have a mother here anymore. Makes me miss her more than ever.
Those of you who have siblings as well as mothers still here and don't know what to get your mother for Mother's Day. At least for one day, get along with each other (or pretend to).
Jo
Stormin Mormon - 14 May 2006 23:20 GMT My Mom and I went to lunch after I got out of church. Good thing to do.
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To all mothers on this group, and the mothers of members of this group...
HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY!
I hope you all have a beautiful day.
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dnr - 15 May 2006 00:08 GMT > My Mom and I went to lunch after I got out of church. Good thing to > do. > Christopher A. Young Yes, it was....your mother had a beautiful day, thanks to you.
Kreisleriana - 15 May 2006 17:39 GMT >To all mothers on this group, and the mothers of members of this group... > >HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY! > >I hope you all have a beautiful day. My mom has bronchitis, unfortunately-- the dinner will have to wait. But she sat up in bed all day and watched TV, and Dante and Stinky attended their Grandma. ;)
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