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Bobcat - 07 May 2006 12:14 GMT This exchange also appears in the thread, "How loud does your cat purr?" but I think it deserves its own posting because of Matthew, and others like him.
Matthew aka NMR wrote:
> Rumble is loud that when he was a little kitten palm size when I rescued him > after I chased the person down that threw out of the car ( and well that is > a long story ). From 20 feet away he was so loud the responding officer said > listen to that little one rumble It may be a long story, but it's a worthy one. I'm glad to hear about someone taking action against one of those b------s who deserve not only everyone's contempt (which they already have), but swift kicks in the jeans and hopefully, fines and/or imprisonment for such unbelievably cruel and heartless deeds. Two of our three cats were abandoned, and we know of many more whose fate was less fortunate. Good
on you, Matthew. Bobcat
Matthew aka NMR - 07 May 2006 19:24 GMT > This exchange also appears in the thread, "How loud does your cat > purr?" but I think it deserves its own posting because of Matthew, and [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > on you, Matthew. > Bobcat I will tell it to you if you would like here we go. Get some popcorn and a drink they could make this into a movie it would sell.
October 3; which I consider Rumble's birthday,seven years ago almost 8 years. We were still living in our old house and I was outside washing our cars. It was a beautiful day typical Florida fall day not to hot just right and a lot of sunshine. Our neighborhood was small everyone knows every one. I noticed a beat up station wagon driving up and down the road; there had been some home invasion a couple streets over so my flags were up. I was watching this station wagon it had drove up and down about 6 times when he passed me about a block away. The piece of sh@t threw something out the windows it was small and grey. All I heard was a noise I can only describe it as a death scream. If you ever heard it, it would chill you right to the bone. I never want to hear anything like that ever again as long as I live. I screamed at the top of my lungs for my wife. She came running out along with some of my neighbors. I ran up to where to happened followed by my wife. I saw it was a kitten it ran into the woods. I told my wife find the cat, call the cops. I ran back to my car jumped in and tore out of the driveway. My old community there was only one way in one way out. I came around the curves about 80, on the phone with the police telling them what happened. I caught up to the SOB and ran his car off the road. I jumped out hit the panic button for onstar, left the phone open with 911. I told the SOB to get out of the car he refused. Now I am not like this at all please don't take me as being like this. I was wrong for taking it to this level but 3 things in the world will set me off animal abuse, child molesters and wife beaters. I smashed his driver's window pulled him out and started to beating the living crap out of him. Off course there is an audience by now, multiple phone calls to 911, the car jacking alarm I set off. The police were very quick to respond along with the paramedics. When the got there I was still beating this guy. They pulled me off threw me in cuffs. About this time my neighbors arrived along with my wife. One of my neighbors was a deputy sheriff. He told the cops what happened. At this time my wife came up and showed me and the officers what he had thrown out the window. It was little grey fur ball about 4 to 5 weeks old and scared so bad he was shaking like he was going to have a heart attack. The cop was confronted by everyone telling them what this a@@hole did. He took me out of the cuffs pulled the guy out of the ambulance. He threw him in cuffs and told him he was an animal lover and you made the biggest mistake by having me as the arresting officer. The cop made sure he met the door on the way into the back of the car. It turned out the cop was a k9 officer and rescue worker for abused animals. My wife hand me this bundle of fur scared out of its mind. It took one look at me and meowed. I held it close to my heart I began to cry like a baby. The little one calmed down and started to purr so loud that the officer from 20 feet away said that little on sure can rumble. I named him Rumble that moment crying like a baby. I fell in love with him the moment he curled up in my hands and went to sleep. I took him to my vet later that day he was completely uninjured. Rumble was lucky he landed in high grass that cushioned his fall. He was so young that the jaw had not fully set out all the way and he was definitely the runt. Well we come to the a@@hole. He wanted charges pressed against me the cop told him he interviewed everyone and the only witness he had were to the fact that he committed animal abuse. As for me as a concerned citizen attempting to contact the police with proper information on his crime did nothing wrong since no one would say a word on what happened at the scene. In fact with me activating my car jacking alarms tended to show him as a criminal. It turned out he has several misdemeanors warrants for his arrest which the cop promptly did. It took me, the humane society, several police officers and several support groups to convince the state attorney to press felony charges. He felt the man have had sort of to say cowboy justice already done. None of us were satisfied it took almost a year to bring it about but we did. When he went in front of the judge for sentencing we all were there including rumble. The judge ( a cat lover and member of the Cat society) gave him 3 years for the animal abuse; this is the max sentence which almost never happens in any case. The man's also got sentence to 4 years for everything else. A 7 year sentence with 10 years of probation, a writ of never owning a animal again or working with animals. He was able to have a parole hearing at 3 years. Now something happened to rumble in between this which is below. I was there with Rumble along with everyone else told the whole story. Parole was denied completely. He gets out next year. I can wait to thank him for a wonderful cat and thank him properly from Rumble. He has tried to sue me from jail Florida has a law against lawsuits that involved injury resulting from you committing a crime. So no problems there. Thinking about it now I could have lost everything. Would I do it again IN A HEARTBEAT
Now the other part of the story see Rumble is epileptic. He takes 2 diazepam 2mg twice a day. On October 3 his 3rd birthday another day my life stood still. I was in our new house. In my hobby room. Rumble cries for us when he can't find one of us. I yelled at him I am in here he came running in meowed very loudly I turned and looked at him. He looked at me and collapsed in to a seizure. I can't explain the feeling of helplessness and dread that I felt but anyone who has had a loved one been hurt and there was nothing you can do knows this feeling. I touched rumble still in disbelief he came around looked at me with a look I can only describe as WTF. He stood up cried once and went into another seizure. I can only describe this moment as time stood still. It felt like in one step I grabbed Rumble and was out the door screaming at my wife to help me. I was in the car before I felt my other foot touch the ground. My vet office is exactly 20 minutes away. I made it 6. I turn my flashers on, turned my emergency strobes on. I drew the attention of two police officers which when I stopped I yelled at them I had an emergency and had to get medical help and drove off. I drove like a bat out of hell. Flew into the vets office followed by the police. When I ran into the office I was in tears so bad I could not even talk. My vet which has been a family friend for so many years thought my DW or one of our kids had died the way I was acting. I was so upset they could not even tell them what happened. The cops were trying to cuff me, The vet was tring to get a hold of the situation. At the moment rumble screeched, collapsed and had another seizure. It stopped us all dead cold. My vet grabbed a nurse and started treating rumble and the police officers heard and saw what heppened. They started to calm me down. Both officers stayed with me talking to me calming me down. My DW arrived a little while later and the police sat with both of us being friends not cops. Both understood I did get a warning out of it. They called and stopped by to see how rumble was doing even game me an escort when I had to take rumble back and forth to the vet. I am happy to say the cops that were involved with all these incidents are now close family friends and work in the shelter with us. Rumble went thru hell the next year. He is allergic to Phenobarbital which is standard treatment it almost killed him. The drug was making him ripped his face off. He was digging so bad that it was going down to the bone. I thought I was going to have to put him to sleep.<tears> My vet did not rest till he found a solution. It cost us around $10,000 after we were all done and said from all the test, the specialist. Flying to the best vets in the USA to find out what we could do. It came down to diazepam 2x 2 mg a day. He still gets the itches where he starts to dig or licks the fur off to the skin. He gets a cortisone ( depo ) for it. It took along time for him to get back to normal. We have to watch his kidneys and liver since the medicine can destroy them in a cat. Twice a year he gets full blood work up full panel test to make sure. SO FAR SO GOOD. He has become a extremely vocal cat. Talks to me and momma all the time. He wants to know where we are he will yowl till someone answers him. He is a spoiled brat now and I would not have it any other way. When the parole board found out that the thrown form the car probably caused the epilepsy that was it took. I can't wait to say hello to him again
He turns 8 on Oct 3 this year. He has been fighting his disease for almost 5 years and doing great. This might sound strange but I love him and all my furballs with my heart and soul. I would do anything for them. If I had to loss everything to save them I would without even thinking about it so would my family.
Well there Rumble's story can you tell he thinks he is cute http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=j9u0qh
Bobcat - 07 May 2006 19:39 GMT > > This exchange also appears in the thread, "How loud does your cat > > purr?" but I think it deserves its own posting because of Matthew, and [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > on you, Matthew. > > Bobcat
> I will tell it to you if you would like here we go. Get some popcorn and a > drink they could make this into a movie it would sell. (CUT FOR BREVITY - READ ORIGINAL STORY IN PREVIOUS POST)
> Well there Rumble's story can you tell he thinks he is cute > http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=j9u0qh Matthew, that's an inspiring, terrifying and reassuring story - reassuring in that there are people in the world like you who'll go the whole distance for a helpless animal. You have enormous courage, and more people should take a stand as you did. I've never seen a newsgroup story like this one. Thanks so much for sharing it with us. I'd like to have your permission to forward it to "Flippy", a woman in Australia who operates a very popular cat-related website and mailing list. Bobcat
Matthew aka NMR - 07 May 2006 19:54 GMT Flippy already knows this story if I am correct I have told it a few times to this group. Most of the regulars know it already I have told it under a different display names either No More Retail or NMR now Matthew aka NMR. The email address attached to the post is false to keep the trolls and spammers away But you are more than welcome to forward it you would like. It is a story that I am proud of, ashamed for what I did but I know in my heart it was right thing to do but thinking about it now I should have gone a different way but If I had to do it again I know I would do the same thing. But Damn it felt good and right to kick the crap out of this guy that is what I am ashamed of
>> > This exchange also appears in the thread, "How loud does your cat >> > purr?" but I think it deserves its own posting because of Matthew, and [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > who operates a very popular cat-related website and mailing list. > Bobcat Bobcat - 07 May 2006 20:51 GMT > Flippy already knows this story if I am correct I have told it a few times > to this group. Most of the regulars know it already [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > spammers away > But you are more than welcome to forward it you would like. Thanks, Matthew, I will. Thanks again for your story - and for what you've done. You've nothing to regret. Bobcat
Bobcat - 07 May 2006 21:15 GMT > > Flippy already knows this story if I am correct I have told it a few times > > to this group. Most of the regulars know it already [snip] > > But you are more than welcome to forward it you would like.
> Thanks, Matthew, I will. > Thanks again for your story - and for what you've done. You've nothing > to regret. > Bobcat I've sent it to Flippy. If you want to see my post to her, send your e-mail address to bob_catt@hotmail.com and I'll send it to you. Bobcat
Matthew aka NMR - 07 May 2006 21:37 GMT Post it right here so we all can see it It doesn't have my name or email in it so show it to everyone so they can enjoy
>> > Flippy already knows this story if I am correct I have told it a few >> > times [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > e-mail address to bob_catt@hotmail.com and I'll send it to you. > Bobcat Bobcat - 07 May 2006 23:55 GMT > Post it right here so we all can see it > It doesn't have my name or email in it so show it to everyone so they can > enjoy Sure, here's what I wrote to Flippy:
"On my suggestion, Matthew, a contributor to the rec.pets.cats.anecdotes newsgroup told me this long but fascinating story of what he did when he saw someone hurl a kitten from his vehicle. It moved me deeply, and I got his permission to send it to you. He says you already know it, quote: " Flippy already knows this story if I am correct I have told it a few times to this group. Most of the regulars know it already I have told it under a different display names either No More Retail or NMR now Matthew aka NMR. But you are more than welcome to forward it you would like."
Here's Matthew's story, about Rumble, the kitten he rescued from the unspeakable person who abandoned him. And about the heroic lengths to which Matthew has gone to give Rumble the life he deserves. I hope you can pass it on to others. [Signed]
Your story followed, as you wrote it.
Monique Y. Mudama - 07 May 2006 19:57 GMT > He turns 8 on Oct 3 this year. He has been fighting his disease for > almost 5 years and doing great. This might sound strange but I love [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Well there Rumble's story can you tell he thinks he is cute > http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=j9u0qh Thank you for sharing Rumble (and your) story. What a lucky cat to be found by someone like you!
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Matthew aka NMR - 07 May 2006 20:54 GMT I have litteraly rescued all our cats this is all three of mine at peace for once http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=rsgzo3 Phantom, Rumble, Spirit we have 2 more dumpling and limo but they are my DW
Spirit http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=j9u1k4 I rescued from a hawk who had him pinned down and was going in for the kill. This little kitten was giving the hawk all he got. I took a log and threw it at the hawk striking it square grabbed the kitten and ran for the house. The hawk had peirced his back and ripped off the hair on his tail where it has nerve damage to the point that he has to move his whole butt to wag his tail. He acts like a boston terrier he is a little devil. He is almost 4
http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=j9tveh this is phantom I rescued him from the construction site of one of our stores. He was at the site along with other litter mates. He climb out of the box they had him in to get to me and would not stay in the carrier He had to get to me no matter what. he is still like that he is almost 12
Dumplin is along hair black half main coon half persian mix. Big old hairball we rescued him from some boys that were beating him with sticks. We believe he was sexual molested by a man before when a man has the smell of sex about him he goes crazy. We found out the hard way http://i3.tinypic.com/xemo9x.jpg he is about 9 or 10
Limo is a black and white bundle of spoiledness she is about 7 o 8 we found her when a ordered a limo for a night out and here was this little kitten in the back. we thanked the driver for the extra package paid him and stayed home making sure she was comfortable http://i2.tinypic.com/xemtfm.jpg here she is taking over Rumbles favorite spot being queen of the house
>> He turns 8 on Oct 3 this year. He has been fighting his disease for >> almost 5 years and doing great. This might sound strange but I love [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Thank you for sharing Rumble (and your) story. What a lucky cat to be > found by someone like you! Singh - 07 May 2006 23:31 GMT Matthew,
If you and I weren't both happily married I swear to God I think I would propose to you. It takes a real man to cry unashamed. I have a hell of a lot of respect for you and what you did. I would kick the guy's a.s too!
Blessed be, Baha
> > This exchange also appears in the thread, "How loud does your cat > > purr?" but I think it deserves its own posting because of Matthew, and [quoted text clipped - 156 lines] > Well there Rumble's story can you tell he thinks he is cute > http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=j9u0qh Yowie - 08 May 2006 03:38 GMT > > This exchange also appears in the thread, "How loud does your cat > > purr?" but I think it deserves its own posting because of Matthew, and [quoted text clipped - 153 lines] > loss everything to save them I would without even thinking about it so would > my family. Boy did that need a TW warning (I'm sitting here blubbering in my office at work). Bless you & your good wife and those wonderful cops all the days of their lives. And many many purrs to Rumble of course.
<litterbox offerings to the scum who threw him out the window would still be too good, so no mention>
Yowie
rrb - 09 May 2006 05:39 GMT >>> This exchange also appears in the thread, "How loud does your cat >>> purr?" but I think it deserves its own posting because of Matthew, and [quoted text clipped - 204 lines] > > Yowie If any of NMR's story is true - which I think is more likely a fabrication meant to inflate his ego and limited self-esteem. It's more likely none of the events in NMR's story really happened. More likely he just picked up Rumble from the local shelter or rescue group.
I do give NMR credit for rescuing Rumble no matter what he was rescued from.
Here are my thoughts on the facts as posted by NMR.:
1. Some imbecile -NMR - who based on the above shouldn't have a license or be allowed to drive. Speeds at 80 mph around curves on either residential roads and/or highways/freeways taking a chance on killing or injuring other drivers on the road to catch up with someone. The most he should have done was take down identifying information on the other vehicle. 2. Then NMR breaks the window to get into the other drivers car (vandalism) and proceeds to commit battery which is witnessed by police when they arrive. Though they turned a blind eye to it later. 3. Originally NMR was in handcuffs which is how he should have been. He should have been arrested regardless of the reasons for what he did. 4. The guy who threw the cat out the car window was arrested as he should have been and charged. He is currently spending time in jail apparently. 5. The cop who let NMR go has no business being a cop IMO and should have been fired. Because of letting NMR go, and because he didn't take the injured guy to the hospital. What an a.shole. Thankfully he is a cop in Florida. Hopefully he was fired eventually. 6. As for NMR's accomplices who wouldn't state what really happened and protected NMR. What goes around comes around. Hopefully they have reaped the rewards for their lying and deceitful actions. What a bunch of dishonest jerks.
To summarize if the events as related by NMR really did happen he should have been arrested, charged with battery - in the least - or attempted homicide/manslaughter. Either way NMR should have received some jail time.
Matthew aka NMR - 09 May 2006 06:39 GMT "rrb" <rrb_091903@cox.net>
Great how did I know someone would go on the attack
But you know what you are right I should have gone to jail. I should have paid some price but if that is what it would have taken to save my Rumble or any other cat GLADLY WOULD HAVE PAID ANY PRICE STILL WOULD IF I NEEDED TO!
but some of you comments you can really go and kiss my a.s on if you truly felt the need to personally attack the post, the story, the people involved and myself then it seems the only person that seems to be inflating their ego or to have a limited form of self esteem seems to be you
Nomen Nescio - 09 May 2006 11:10 GMT -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
From: rrb <rrb_091903@cox.net>
>If any of NMR's story is true - which I think is more likely a >fabrication meant to inflate his ego and limited self-esteem. It's more [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Here are my thoughts on the facts as posted by NMR.:
>1. Some imbecile -NMR - who based on the above shouldn't have a license >or be allowed to drive. Speeds at 80 mph around curves on either >residential roads Impossible on residential roads to make an 80 mph turn.
>and/or highways/freeway staking a chance on killing or injuring other drivers on the road to catch up with someone.
Highway speed limit is 75. 80 is unsafe?
>2. Then NMR breaks the window to get into the other drivers car >(vandalism) and proceeds to commit battery which is witnessed by police >when they arrive. Though they turned a blind eye to it later. Sounds like a "citizens arrest" to me. Which, BTW, legally allows you to take any action a cop can take to make the arrest. Won't get out of the car......break the window. Resists arrest......subdue the criminal.
>3. Originally NMR was in handcuffs which is how he should have been. Agreed. He could have been a potential threat to the cop.
>He >should have been arrested regardless of the reasons for what he did. Being handcuffed does NOT mean ARRESTED.
>4. The guy who threw the cat out the car window was arrested as he >should have been and charged. He is currently spending time in jail >apparently. On a FELONY charge. Therefore, NMR made a legit attempt to arrest the guy. The cops showed up before he could complete the arrest.
>5. The cop who let NMR go has no business being a cop IMO and should >have been fired. Really?
>Because of letting NMR go, No crime!
>and because he didn't take >the injured guy to the hospital. How do you know that? He arrested the guy. That changes how the situation is handled. Not just a simple ambulance ride, anymore.
>6. As for NMR's accomplices who wouldn't state what really happened and >protected NMR. What goes around comes around. Hopefully they have reaped >the rewards for their lying and deceitful actions. I hope so. They deserve a reward for doing the right thing.
>What a bunch of >dishonest jerks. Not in my opinion. If someone wants to beat the s**t out of a total a**hole.....right in front of me......I'll be looking the other way, with some dust in my eyes, and unable to find my glasses.
>To summarize if the events as related by NMR really did happen he should >have been arrested, charged with battery - in the least - or attempted >homicide/manslaughter. Either way NMR should have received some jail time. If I'd been on that jury, the worst that could have happened is a "hung jury". Would you convict a guy of beating the s**t out of someone who tossed a cat out of a car window? Would you want to prosecute that case? Maybe you need to rethink your own sense of morality.
So many a**holes, So few bullets.
Singh - 10 May 2006 15:17 GMT > Here are my thoughts on the facts as posted by NMR.: > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > have been arrested, charged with battery - in the least - or attempted > homicide/manslaughter. Either way NMR should have received some jail time. There are some times when the ends justify the means, and I think this is among them. If NMR had not given this schmuck his due, the other guy might have moved on to larger prey, like a spouse or child. Animal abuse is tied into domestic violence or sexual abuse, and frankly this SOB had it coming. I would have done the same. The man whom NMR dealt with is a coward, pure and simple; and the police can act on their discretion if it does not involve brutality to the accused. Surely the cop knew that this man was a rape suspect or wifebeater just waiting to happen. I'd have done the same again, if I were in law enforcement on such a case; had someone defended me so when I was the one being abused, I might not be under a doctor's care now. I'd have sold my soul for one like Matthew. You are as entitled to your opinion as I am of mine; and mine is that we need more like NMR and his associates and less like any person cowardly enough to abuse any creature--human or animal--who does not have the means of speaking for oneself or fighting in its own defense.
Adrian A - 08 May 2006 11:26 GMT <snip>
> Well there Rumble's story can you tell he thinks he is cute > http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=j9u0qh You did a wonderful thing, Matthew, no doubt Rumble has repaid you many times over.
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Matthew aka NMR - 08 May 2006 18:41 GMT > <snip> >> Well there Rumble's story can you tell he thinks he is cute >> http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=j9u0qh > > You did a wonderful thing, Matthew, no doubt Rumble has repaid you many > times over. Everyday the little devil
Singh - 07 May 2006 23:03 GMT Amen, Matthew.
Incidentally Bobcat, did you refer to kicking the front side or backside of those jeans, because such cowardly SOB's as those in the car have both coming!
Blessed be, Baha
> This exchange also appears in the thread, "How loud does your cat > purr?" but I think it deserves its own posting because of Matthew, and [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > on you, Matthew. > Bobcat Bobcat - 08 May 2006 00:02 GMT > Incidentally Bobcat, did you refer to kicking the front side or backside > of those > jeans, because such cowardly SOB's as those in the car have both coming! > Baha Kicking the backside of the jeans is good. A far worse fate for the front side is better!
Matthew aka NMR - 08 May 2006 06:58 GMT >> Incidentally Bobcat, did you refer to kicking the front side or backside >> of those [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Kicking the backside of the jeans is good. A far worse fate for the front > side is better! I got all over ever piece my foot or hand could find at least 3 times. I know I did some damage. I still am not proud of the fact that I resorted to violence but as I would do it in a heartbeat if necessary again. As my DW said Hell has seen no fury as What I can lay to if my three points are met. Child abusers, animal abusers and wife beaters. The gods, angels, demons or devils can not save you if I set my sites on you. It is funny If my DW was talking and described me I don't raise my voice, I don't lay a finger on anyone. I am a very quiet person but I do tell you how it is I am very blunt but tasteful but am not afraid to say how it is. Except to the DW I still like to play with her naughty places ( HE HE HE :-) ) I am one of the nicest guys anyone will ever met will do the world for you but cross those three points and your fate is sealed. Sometimes I actually rather be around animals than people but don't get me wrong I love my family but if it was just me and my cats I would still be very happy
Bobcat - 08 May 2006 12:27 GMT > I got all over ever piece my foot or hand could find at least 3 times. I > know I did some damage. I still am not proud of the fact that I resorted to [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > wrong I love my family but if it was just me and my cats I would still be > very happy I appreciate the fact that RPCA is a port of calm and caring in an ocean of newsgroup dissent and chaos, and discussion of violence is not appreciated here. However, I have to agree with you about restitution against your Unholy Trinity - child abusers, animal abusers and wife beaters. I believe the courts are far too lenient on them.
I believe the proper legal punishment for their crimes would be to have them sentenced to a two-hour session in a locked, soundproofed, windowless room. Besides the guilty party, the only others allowed in that room for the two hours would be the biggest and angriest next-of-kin or pet-owners, and whatever they chose to take in there with them.
Two hours later, the door would be unlocked, the next-of-kin allowed to leave without fear of legal action - and the room hosed down.
Lesley - 08 May 2006 13:42 GMT > I believe the proper legal punishment for their crimes would be to have > them sentenced to a two-hour session in a locked, soundproofed, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Two hours later, the door would be unlocked, the next-of-kin allowed to > leave without fear of legal action - and the room hosed down. And the guilty party would be allowed to walk out- assuming they could walk that is....I'd add a selection of interesting implements to the room as well
Lesley
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Cheryl Perkins - 08 May 2006 14:03 GMT >> I believe the proper legal punishment for their crimes would be to have >> them sentenced to a two-hour session in a locked, soundproofed, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> Two hours later, the door would be unlocked, the next-of-kin allowed to >> leave without fear of legal action - and the room hosed down.
> And the guilty party would be allowed to walk out- assuming they could > walk that is....I'd add a selection of interesting implements to the > room as well
> Lesley The damage done to society by allowing even those who commit despicable crimes to be demonized to such an extent surely outweighs any satisfaction gained by people who want to demonstrate 'Well, *I'm* not like that' by engaging in exactly the sort of behaviour they condemn, aimed at a target of their choice.
After all, once there is a precedent for an eye for an eye, punishment by torture, there's nothing to prevent expanding the approach to any crime that a suitably large mob can be outraged against. Or persuaded to be outraged about.
I value the rule of law and the slow movement of centuries away from legal systems based on such behaviour far too much to call for torture and killing as described above - whether by a legal system or vigilantes.
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Bobcat - 08 May 2006 14:40 GMT > The damage done to society by allowing even those who commit despicable > crimes to be demonized to such an extent surely outweighs any satisfaction [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > killing as described above - whether by a legal system or vigilantes. > Cheryl Cheryl, these posts, including mine, merely act as safety valves. My concept of the sealed room is nothing more than the outline of a short story which I've thought of before, and like all fiction, it's merely that: - fiction. I did add the disclaimer that, admittedly RPCA is not really a suitable place for such posts, and I regret upsetting some of its readers including you. However, after hearing what Matthew wrote about the despicable person who treated the kitten in that manner, I felt the urge to express myself as I did - in writing I might add, not in deed.
Adrian A - 08 May 2006 14:58 GMT >> The damage done to society by allowing even those who commit >> despicable crimes to be demonized to such an extent surely outweighs [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > felt the urge to express myself as I did - in writing I might add, not > in deed. While I don't condone violence I can understand people who react violently when they witness abuse as Matthew did. Also for many years I've thought the abusers should be sterilised, the thought of them raising children appals me.
 Signature Adrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera) Cats leave pawprints on your heart. http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 08 May 2006 16:38 GMT > The damage done to society by allowing even those who commit despicable > crimes to be demonized to such an extent surely outweighs any satisfaction > gained by people who want to demonstrate 'Well, *I'm* not like that' by > engaging in exactly the sort of behaviour they condemn, aimed at a target > of their choice. I agree completely. It's a satisfying emotional fantasy, but crime should never actually be dealt with like that!
I agree about the demonizing, too. Everyone, even people who commit truly despicable crimes, should have the opportunity for redemption. There but for the grace of God, and all that.
Joyce
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