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Bobcat - 07 May 2006 12:14 GMT
This exchange also appears in the thread, "How loud does your cat
purr?" but I think it deserves its own posting because of Matthew, and
others like him.

Matthew aka NMR wrote:
> Rumble is loud that when he was a little kitten palm size when I rescued him
> after I chased the person down that threw out of the car ( and well that is
> a long story ). From 20 feet away he was so loud the responding officer said
> listen to that little one  rumble

It may be a long story, but it's a worthy one. I'm glad to hear about
someone taking action against one of those b------s who deserve not
only everyone's contempt (which they already have), but swift kicks in
the jeans and hopefully, fines and/or imprisonment for such
unbelievably cruel and heartless deeds. Two of our three cats were
abandoned, and we know of many more whose fate was less fortunate. Good

on you, Matthew.
Bobcat
Matthew aka NMR - 07 May 2006 19:24 GMT
> This exchange also appears in the thread, "How loud does your cat
> purr?" but I think it deserves its own posting because of Matthew, and
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> on you, Matthew.
> Bobcat

I will tell it to you if you would like here we go.  Get some popcorn and a
drink they could make this into a movie it would sell.

October 3; which I consider Rumble's birthday,seven years ago almost 8
years.  We were still living in our old house and I was outside washing our
cars.  It was a beautiful day typical Florida fall day  not to hot just
right and a lot of sunshine.  Our neighborhood was small everyone knows
every one.  I noticed a beat up station wagon driving up and down the road;
there had been some home invasion a couple streets over so my flags were up.
I was watching this station wagon it had drove up and down about 6 times
when he passed me about a block away.  The piece of sh@t threw something out
the windows it was small and grey.  All I heard was a noise I can only
describe it as a death scream.  If you ever heard it, it would chill you
right to the bone.  I never want to hear anything like that ever again as
long as I live.
   I screamed at the top of my lungs for my wife.  She came running out
along with some of my neighbors.  I ran up to where to happened followed by
my wife.  I saw it was a kitten it ran into the woods.  I told my wife find
the cat, call the cops.  I ran back to my car jumped in and tore out of the
driveway.  My old community there was only one way in one way out.  I came
around the curves about 80, on the phone with the police telling them what
happened.  I caught up to the SOB and ran his car off the road.  I jumped
out hit the panic button for onstar, left the phone open with 911.  I told
the SOB to get out of the car he refused.  Now I am not like this at all
please don't take me as being like this.  I was wrong for taking it to this
level but 3 things in the world will set me off  animal abuse, child
molesters and wife beaters.  I smashed his driver's window pulled him out
and started to beating the living crap out of him.  Off course there is an
audience by now, multiple phone calls to 911, the car jacking alarm I set
off.  The police were very quick to respond along with the paramedics.
   When the got there I was still beating this guy.  They pulled me off
threw me in cuffs.  About this time my neighbors arrived along with my wife.
One of my neighbors was a deputy sheriff. He told the cops what happened.
At this time my wife came up and showed me and the officers what he had
thrown out the window.  It was little grey fur ball about 4 to 5 weeks old
and scared so bad he was shaking like he was going to have a heart attack.
The cop was confronted by everyone telling them what this a@@hole did.  He
took me out of the cuffs pulled the guy out of the ambulance.  He threw him
in cuffs and told him he was an animal lover and you made the biggest
mistake by having me as the arresting officer.  The cop made sure he met the
door on the way into the back of the car.  It turned out the cop was a k9
officer and rescue worker for abused animals.
   My wife hand me this bundle of fur scared out of its mind.  It took one
look at me and meowed.  I held it close to my heart I began to cry like a
baby.  The little one calmed down and started to purr so loud that the
officer from 20 feet away said that little on sure can rumble.  I named him
Rumble that moment crying like a baby.  I fell in love with him the moment
he curled up in my hands and went to sleep.  I took him to my vet later
that day he was completely uninjured.  Rumble was lucky he landed in high
grass that cushioned his fall.  He was so young that the jaw had not fully
set out all the way and he was definitely the runt.
   Well we come to the a@@hole.  He wanted charges pressed against me the
cop told him he interviewed everyone and the only witness he had were to the
fact that he committed animal abuse.  As for me as a concerned citizen
attempting to contact the police with proper information on his crime did
nothing wrong since no one would say a word on what happened at the scene.
In fact with me activating my car jacking alarms tended to show him as a
criminal.  It turned out he has several misdemeanors warrants for his arrest
which the cop promptly did.
    It took me, the humane society, several police officers and several
support groups to convince the state attorney to press felony charges.  He
felt the man have had sort of to say cowboy justice already done.  None of
us were satisfied it took almost a year to bring it about but we did.  When
he went in front of the judge for sentencing we all were there including
rumble.  The judge ( a cat lover and member of the Cat society) gave him 3
years for the animal abuse; this is the max sentence which almost never
happens in any case.  The man's also got sentence to 4 years for everything
else. A 7 year sentence with 10 years of probation, a writ of never owning a
animal again or working with animals.  He was able to have a parole hearing
at 3 years.  Now something happened to rumble in between this  which is
below.  I was there with Rumble along with everyone else told the whole
story.  Parole was denied completely.  He gets out next year.  I can wait to
thank him for a wonderful cat and thank him properly from Rumble.  He has
tried to sue me from jail Florida has a law against lawsuits that involved
injury resulting from you committing a crime.  So no problems there.
Thinking about it now I could have lost everything.  Would I do it again IN
A HEARTBEAT

Now the other part of the story see Rumble is epileptic.  He takes 2
diazepam 2mg twice a day.  On October 3  his 3rd birthday another day my
life stood still.  I was in our new house. In my hobby room.  Rumble cries
for us when he can't find one of us.  I yelled at him I am in here he came
running in meowed very loudly I turned and looked at him.  He looked at me
and collapsed in to a seizure.  I can't explain the feeling of helplessness
and dread that I felt but anyone who has had a loved one been hurt and there
was nothing you can do knows this feeling.  I touched rumble still in
disbelief he came around looked at me with a look I can only describe as
WTF.  He stood up cried once and went into another seizure.  I can only
describe this moment as time stood still.  It felt like in one step I
grabbed Rumble and was out the door screaming at my wife to help me.
   I was in the car before I felt my other foot touch the ground.  My vet
office is exactly  20 minutes away.  I made it 6.  I turn my flashers on,
turned my emergency strobes on.  I drew the attention of two police officers
which when I stopped I yelled at them I had an emergency and had to get
medical help and drove off.  I drove like a bat out of hell.  Flew into the
vets office followed by the police.  When I ran into the office I was in
tears so bad I could not even talk.  My vet which has been a family friend
for so many years thought my DW or one of our kids had died the way I was
acting.  I was so upset they could not even tell them what happened. The
cops were trying to cuff me, The vet was tring to get a hold of the
situation.  At the moment rumble screeched, collapsed and had another
seizure.  It stopped us all dead cold.  My vet grabbed a nurse and started
treating rumble and the police officers heard and saw what heppened.  They
started to calm me down.  Both officers stayed with me talking to me calming
me down.  My DW arrived a little while later and the police sat with both of
us being friends not cops.  Both understood I did get a warning out of it.
They called and stopped by to see how rumble was doing even game me an
escort when I had to take rumble back and forth to the vet.   I am happy to
say the cops that were involved with all these incidents are now close
family friends and work in the shelter with us.
   Rumble went thru hell the next year.  He is allergic to Phenobarbital
which is standard treatment it almost killed him.  The drug was making him
ripped his face off.  He was digging so bad that it was going down to the
bone.  I thought I was going to have to put him to sleep.<tears>  My vet did
not rest till he found a solution.  It cost us around $10,000 after we were
all done and said from all the test, the specialist.  Flying to the best
vets in the USA to find out what we could do.  It came down to diazepam 2x 2
mg a day.  He still gets the itches where he starts to dig or licks the fur
off to the skin.  He gets a cortisone ( depo ) for it.   It took along time
for him to get back to normal.  We have to watch his kidneys and liver since
the medicine can destroy them in a cat.  Twice a year he gets full blood
work up full panel test to make sure.  SO FAR SO GOOD.  He has become a
extremely vocal cat.  Talks to me and momma all the time.  He wants to know
where we are he will yowl till someone answers him.  He is a spoiled brat
now and I would not have it any other way.
   When the parole board found out that the thrown form the car probably
caused the epilepsy that was it took.  I can't wait to say hello to him
again

He turns 8 on Oct 3 this year.  He has been fighting his disease for almost
5 years and doing great.  This might sound strange but I love him and all my
furballs with my heart and soul. I would do anything for them.  If I had to
loss everything to save them I would without even thinking about it so would
my family.

Well there Rumble's story can you tell he thinks he is cute
http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=j9u0qh
Bobcat - 07 May 2006 19:39 GMT
> > This exchange also appears in the thread, "How loud does your cat
> > purr?" but I think it deserves its own posting because of Matthew, and
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> > on you, Matthew.
> > Bobcat

> I will tell it to you if you would like here we go.  Get some popcorn and a
> drink they could make this into a movie it would sell.
(CUT FOR BREVITY - READ ORIGINAL STORY IN PREVIOUS POST)
> Well there Rumble's story can you tell he thinks he is cute
> http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=j9u0qh

Matthew, that's an inspiring, terrifying and reassuring story -
reassuring in that there are people in the world like you who'll go the
whole distance for a helpless animal. You have enormous courage, and
more people should take a stand as you did. I've never seen a newsgroup
story like this one. Thanks so much for sharing it with us. I'd like to
have your permission to forward it to "Flippy", a woman in Australia
who operates a very popular cat-related website and mailing list.
Bobcat
Matthew aka NMR - 07 May 2006 19:54 GMT
Flippy already knows this story if I am correct  I have told it a few times
to this group.  Most of the regulars know it already
I have told it under a different display names  either No More Retail or NMR
now Matthew aka NMR.
The email address attached to the post is false to keep the trolls and
spammers away
But you are more than welcome to forward it you would like.  It is a story
that I am proud of, ashamed for what I did but I know in my heart it was
right thing to do but thinking about it now I should have gone a different
way but If I had to do it again I know I would do the same thing.  But Damn
it felt good and right to kick the crap out of this guy that is what I am
ashamed of

>> > This exchange also appears in the thread, "How loud does your cat
>> > purr?" but I think it deserves its own posting because of Matthew, and
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
> who operates a very popular cat-related website and mailing list.
> Bobcat
Bobcat - 07 May 2006 20:51 GMT
> Flippy already knows this story if I am correct  I have told it a few times
> to this group.  Most of the regulars know it already
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> spammers away
> But you are more than welcome to forward it you would like.

Thanks, Matthew, I will.
Thanks again for your story - and for what you've done. You've nothing
to regret.
Bobcat
Bobcat - 07 May 2006 21:15 GMT
> > Flippy already knows this story if I am correct  I have told it a few times
> > to this group.  Most of the regulars know it already [snip]
> > But you are more than welcome to forward it you would like.

> Thanks, Matthew, I will.
> Thanks again for your story - and for what you've done. You've nothing
> to regret.
> Bobcat

I've sent it to Flippy. If you want to see my post to her, send your
e-mail address to bob_catt@hotmail.com and I'll send it to you.
Bobcat
Matthew aka NMR - 07 May 2006 21:37 GMT
Post it right here so we all can see it
It doesn't have my name or email in it so show it to everyone so they can
enjoy

>> > Flippy already knows this story if I am correct  I have told it a few
>> > times
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> e-mail address to bob_catt@hotmail.com and I'll send it to you.
> Bobcat
Bobcat - 07 May 2006 23:55 GMT
> Post it right here so we all can see it
> It doesn't have my name or email in it so show it to everyone so they can
> enjoy

Sure, here's what I wrote to Flippy:

"On my suggestion, Matthew, a contributor to the
rec.pets.cats.anecdotes newsgroup told me this long but fascinating
story of what he did when he saw someone hurl a kitten from his
vehicle. It moved me deeply, and I got his permission to send it to
you. He says you already know it, quote: " Flippy already knows this
story if I am correct  I have told it a few times to this group.  Most
of the regulars know it already I have told it under a different
display names  either No More Retail or NMR now Matthew aka NMR. But
you are more than welcome to forward it you would like."

Here's Matthew's story, about Rumble, the kitten he rescued from the
unspeakable person who abandoned him. And about the heroic lengths to
which Matthew has gone to give Rumble the life he deserves. I hope you
can pass it on to others.
[Signed]

Your story followed, as you wrote it.
Monique Y. Mudama - 07 May 2006 19:57 GMT
> He turns 8 on Oct 3 this year.  He has been fighting his disease for
> almost 5 years and doing great.  This might sound strange but I love
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Well there Rumble's story can you tell he thinks he is cute
> http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=j9u0qh

Thank you for sharing Rumble (and your) story.  What a lucky cat to be
found by someone like you!

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monique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully

pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca

Matthew aka NMR - 07 May 2006 20:54 GMT
I have litteraly rescued all our cats this is all three of mine at peace for
once
http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=rsgzo3  Phantom, Rumble, Spirit   we have 2
more dumpling and limo but they are my DW

Spirit http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=j9u1k4 I rescued from a hawk  who had
him pinned down and was going in for the kill.  This little kitten was
giving the hawk all he got.  I took a log and threw it at the hawk striking
it square grabbed the kitten and ran for the house.  The hawk had peirced
his back and ripped off the hair on his tail where it has nerve damage to
the point that he has to move his whole butt to wag his tail.  He acts like
a boston terrier he is a little devil.  He is almost 4

http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=j9tveh this is phantom I rescued him from the
construction site of one of our stores.  He was at the site along with other
litter mates.  He climb out of the box they had him in to get to me and
would not stay in the carrier He had to get to me no matter what.  he is
still like that he is almost 12

Dumplin is along hair black half main coon half persian mix.  Big old
hairball  we rescued him from some boys that were beating him with sticks.
We believe he was sexual molested by a man before when a man has the smell
of sex about him he goes crazy.  We found out the hard way
http://i3.tinypic.com/xemo9x.jpg  he is about 9 or 10

Limo is a black and white bundle of spoiledness she is about 7 o 8  we found
her when a ordered a limo for a night out and here was this little kitten in
the back.  we thanked the driver for the extra package  paid him and stayed
home making sure she was comfortable  http://i2.tinypic.com/xemtfm.jpg  here
she is taking over Rumbles favorite spot  being queen of the house

>> He turns 8 on Oct 3 this year.  He has been fighting his disease for
>> almost 5 years and doing great.  This might sound strange but I love
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Thank you for sharing Rumble (and your) story.  What a lucky cat to be
> found by someone like you!
Singh - 07 May 2006 23:31 GMT
Matthew,

If you and I weren't both happily married I swear to God I think I would propose
to you. It takes a real man to cry unashamed. I have a hell of a lot of respect
for you and what you did. I would kick the guy's a.s too!

Blessed be,
Baha

> > This exchange also appears in the thread, "How loud does your cat
> > purr?" but I think it deserves its own posting because of Matthew, and
[quoted text clipped - 156 lines]
> Well there Rumble's story can you tell he thinks he is cute
> http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=j9u0qh
Yowie - 08 May 2006 03:38 GMT
> > This exchange also appears in the thread, "How loud does your cat
> > purr?" but I think it deserves its own posting because of Matthew, and
[quoted text clipped - 153 lines]
> loss everything to save them I would without even thinking about it so would
> my family.

Boy did that need a TW warning (I'm sitting here blubbering in my office at
work). Bless you & your good wife and those wonderful cops all the days of
their lives. And many many purrs to Rumble of course.

<litterbox offerings to the scum who threw him out the window would still be
too good, so no mention>

Yowie
rrb - 09 May 2006 05:39 GMT
>>> This exchange also appears in the thread, "How loud does your cat
>>> purr?" but I think it deserves its own posting because of Matthew, and
[quoted text clipped - 204 lines]
>
> Yowie

If any of NMR's story is true - which  I think is more likely a
fabrication meant to inflate his ego and limited self-esteem. It's more
likely none of the events in NMR's story really happened. More likely he
just picked up Rumble from the local shelter or rescue group.

I do give NMR credit for rescuing Rumble no matter what he was rescued
from.

Here are my thoughts on the facts as posted by NMR.:

1. Some imbecile -NMR - who based on the above shouldn't have a license
or be allowed to drive. Speeds at 80 mph around curves on either
residential roads and/or highways/freeways taking a chance on killing or
injuring other drivers on the road to catch up with someone. The most he
should have done was take down identifying information on the other
vehicle.
2. Then NMR breaks the window to get into the other drivers car
(vandalism) and proceeds to commit battery which is witnessed by police
when they arrive. Though they turned a blind eye to it later.
3. Originally NMR was in handcuffs which is how he should have been. He
should have been arrested regardless of the reasons for what he did.
4. The guy who threw the cat out the car window was arrested as he
should have been and charged. He is currently spending time in jail
apparently.
5. The cop who let NMR go has no business being a cop IMO and should
have been fired. Because of letting NMR go, and because he didn't take
the injured guy to the hospital. What an a.shole. Thankfully he is a cop
in  Florida. Hopefully he was fired eventually.
6. As for NMR's accomplices who wouldn't state what really happened and
protected NMR. What goes around comes around. Hopefully they have reaped
the rewards for their lying and deceitful actions. What a bunch of
dishonest jerks.

To summarize if the events as related by NMR really did happen he should
have been arrested, charged with battery - in the least - or attempted
homicide/manslaughter. Either way NMR should have received some jail time.
Matthew aka NMR - 09 May 2006 06:39 GMT
"rrb" <rrb_091903@cox.net>

Great how did I know someone would go on the attack

But you know what you are right I should have gone to jail.  I should have
paid some price but if that is what it would have taken to save my Rumble or
any other cat
GLADLY WOULD HAVE PAID ANY PRICE STILL WOULD IF I NEEDED TO!

but some of you comments you can really go and kiss my a.s on
if you truly felt the need to personally attack the post, the story, the
people involved and myself  then it seems the only person that seems to be
inflating their ego or to have a limited form of self esteem seems to be you
Nomen Nescio - 09 May 2006 11:10 GMT
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From: rrb <rrb_091903@cox.net>

>If any of NMR's story is true - which  I think is more likely a
>fabrication meant to inflate his ego and limited self-esteem. It's more
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>Here are my thoughts on the facts as posted by NMR.:

>1. Some imbecile -NMR - who based on the above shouldn't have a license
>or be allowed to drive. Speeds at 80 mph around curves on either
>residential roads

Impossible on residential roads to make an 80 mph turn.

>and/or highways/freeway staking a chance on killing or
injuring other drivers on the road to catch up with someone.

Highway speed limit is 75. 80 is unsafe?

>2. Then NMR breaks the window to get into the other drivers car
>(vandalism) and proceeds to commit battery which is witnessed by police
>when they arrive. Though they turned a blind eye to it later.

Sounds like a "citizens arrest" to me. Which, BTW, legally allows
you to take any action a cop can take to make the arrest.
Won't get out of the car......break the window.
Resists arrest......subdue the criminal.

>3. Originally NMR was in handcuffs which is how he should have been.

Agreed. He could have been a potential threat to the cop.

>He
>should have been arrested regardless of the reasons for what he did.

Being handcuffed does NOT mean ARRESTED.

>4. The guy who threw the cat out the car window was arrested as he
>should have been and charged. He is currently spending time in jail
>apparently.

On a FELONY charge. Therefore, NMR made a legit attempt to
arrest the guy. The cops showed up before he could complete
the arrest.

>5. The cop who let NMR go has no business being a cop IMO and should
>have been fired.

Really?

>Because of letting NMR go,

No crime!

>and because he didn't take
>the injured guy to the hospital.

How do you know that? He arrested the guy. That changes
how the situation is handled. Not just a simple ambulance ride,
anymore.

>6. As for NMR's accomplices who wouldn't state what really happened and
>protected NMR. What goes around comes around. Hopefully they have reaped
>the rewards for their lying and deceitful actions.

I hope so. They deserve a reward for doing the right thing.

>What a bunch of
>dishonest jerks.

Not in my opinion.
If someone wants to beat the s**t out of a total a**hole.....right in front
of me......I'll be looking the other way, with some dust in my eyes, and
unable to find my glasses.

>To summarize if the events as related by NMR really did happen he should
>have been arrested, charged with battery - in the least - or attempted
>homicide/manslaughter. Either way NMR should have received some jail time.

If I'd been on that jury, the worst that could have happened is
a "hung jury".
Would you convict a guy of beating the s**t out of someone who
tossed a cat out of a car window?
Would you want to prosecute that case?
Maybe you need to rethink your own sense of morality.

So many a**holes,
So few bullets.
Singh - 10 May 2006 15:17 GMT
> Here are my thoughts on the facts as posted by NMR.:
>
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> have been arrested, charged with battery - in the least - or attempted
> homicide/manslaughter. Either way NMR should have received some jail time.

There are some times when the ends justify the means, and I think this is among
them. If NMR had not given this schmuck his due, the other guy might have moved on
to larger prey, like a spouse or child. Animal abuse is tied into domestic
violence or sexual abuse, and frankly this SOB had it coming. I would have done
the same. The man whom NMR dealt with is a coward, pure and simple; and the police
can act on their discretion if it does not involve brutality to the accused.
Surely the cop knew that this man was a rape suspect or wifebeater just waiting to
happen. I'd have done the same again, if I were in law enforcement on such a case;
had someone defended me so when I was the one being abused, I might not be under a
doctor's care now. I'd have sold my soul for one like Matthew. You are as entitled
to your opinion as I am of mine; and mine is that we need more like NMR and his
associates and less like any person cowardly enough to abuse any creature--human
or animal--who does not have the means of speaking for oneself or fighting in its
own defense.
Adrian A - 08 May 2006 11:26 GMT
<snip>
> Well there Rumble's story can you tell he thinks he is cute
> http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=j9u0qh

You did a wonderful thing, Matthew, no doubt Rumble has repaid you many
times over.
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Cats leave pawprints on your heart.
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Matthew aka NMR - 08 May 2006 18:41 GMT
> <snip>
>> Well there Rumble's story can you tell he thinks he is cute
>> http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=j9u0qh
>
> You did a wonderful thing, Matthew, no doubt Rumble has repaid you many
> times over.
Everyday the little devil
Singh - 07 May 2006 23:03 GMT
Amen, Matthew.

Incidentally Bobcat, did you refer to kicking the front side or backside of those
jeans, because such cowardly SOB's as those in the car have both coming!

Blessed be,
Baha

> This exchange also appears in the thread, "How loud does your cat
> purr?" but I think it deserves its own posting because of Matthew, and
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> on you, Matthew.
> Bobcat
Bobcat - 08 May 2006 00:02 GMT
> Incidentally Bobcat, did you refer to kicking the front side or backside
> of those
> jeans, because such cowardly SOB's as those in the car have both coming!
> Baha

Kicking the backside of the jeans is good. A far worse fate for the front
side is better!
Matthew aka NMR - 08 May 2006 06:58 GMT
>> Incidentally Bobcat, did you refer to kicking the front side or backside
>> of those
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> Kicking the backside of the jeans is good. A far worse fate for the front
> side is better!

I got all over ever piece my foot or hand could find at least 3 times.  I
know I did some damage.  I still am not proud of the fact that I resorted to
violence  but as I  would do it in a heartbeat if necessary again.
As my DW said Hell has seen no fury as What I can lay to if my three points
are met.  Child abusers, animal abusers and wife beaters.  The gods, angels,
demons or devils can not save you if I set my sites on you.
    It is funny If my DW was talking and described me I don't raise my
voice, I don't lay a finger on anyone. I am a very quiet person but  I do
tell you how it is I am very blunt but tasteful but am not afraid to say how
it is.  Except to the DW I still like to play with her naughty places ( HE
HE HE :-)  )   I am one of the nicest guys anyone will ever met will do the
world for you  but cross those three points and your fate is sealed.
Sometimes I actually rather be around animals than people but don't get me
wrong I love my family  but if it was just me and my cats I would still be
very happy
Bobcat - 08 May 2006 12:27 GMT
> I got all over ever piece my foot or hand could find at least 3 times.  I
> know I did some damage.  I still am not proud of the fact that I resorted to
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> wrong I love my family  but if it was just me and my cats I would still be
> very happy

I appreciate the fact that RPCA is a port of calm and caring in an
ocean of newsgroup dissent and chaos, and discussion of violence is not
appreciated here. However, I have to agree with you about restitution
against your Unholy Trinity - child abusers, animal abusers and wife
beaters. I believe the courts are far too lenient on them.

I believe the proper legal punishment for their crimes would be to have
them sentenced to a two-hour session in a locked, soundproofed,
windowless room. Besides the guilty party, the only others allowed in
that room for the two hours would be the biggest and angriest
next-of-kin or pet-owners, and whatever they chose to take in there
with them.

Two hours later, the door would be unlocked, the next-of-kin allowed to
leave without fear of legal action - and the room hosed down.
Lesley - 08 May 2006 13:42 GMT
> I believe the proper legal punishment for their crimes would be to have
> them sentenced to a two-hour session in a locked, soundproofed,
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Two hours later, the door would be unlocked, the next-of-kin allowed to
> leave without fear of legal action - and the room hosed down.

And the guilty party would be allowed to walk out- assuming they could
walk that is....I'd add a selection of interesting implements to the
room as well

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
Cheryl Perkins - 08 May 2006 14:03 GMT
>> I believe the proper legal punishment for their crimes would be to have
>> them sentenced to a two-hour session in a locked, soundproofed,
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>> Two hours later, the door would be unlocked, the next-of-kin allowed to
>> leave without fear of legal action - and the room hosed down.

> And the guilty party would be allowed to walk out- assuming they could
> walk that is....I'd add a selection of interesting implements to the
> room as well

> Lesley

The damage done to society by allowing even those who commit despicable
crimes to be demonized to such an extent surely outweighs any satisfaction
gained by people who want to demonstrate 'Well, *I'm* not like that' by
engaging in exactly the sort of behaviour they condemn, aimed at a target
of their choice.

After all, once there is a precedent for an eye for an eye, punishment by
torture, there's nothing to prevent expanding the approach to any crime
that a suitably large mob can be outraged against. Or persuaded to be
outraged about.

I value the rule of law and the slow movement of centuries away from legal
systems based on such behaviour far too much to call for torture and
killing as described above - whether by a legal system or vigilantes.

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Cheryl

Bobcat - 08 May 2006 14:40 GMT
> The damage done to society by allowing even those who commit despicable
> crimes to be demonized to such an extent surely outweighs any satisfaction
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> killing as described above - whether by a legal system or vigilantes.
> Cheryl

Cheryl, these posts, including mine, merely act as safety valves. My
concept of the sealed room is nothing more than the outline of a short
story which I've thought of before, and like all fiction, it's merely
that: - fiction. I did add the disclaimer that, admittedly RPCA is not
really a suitable place for such posts, and I regret upsetting some of
its readers including you. However, after hearing what Matthew wrote
about the despicable person who treated the kitten in that manner, I
felt the urge to express myself as I did - in writing I might add, not
in deed.
Adrian A - 08 May 2006 14:58 GMT
>> The damage done to society by allowing even those who commit
>> despicable crimes to be demonized to such an extent surely outweighs
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> felt the urge to express myself as I did - in writing I might add, not
> in deed.

While I don't condone violence I can understand people who react violently
when they witness abuse as Matthew did. Also for many years I've thought the
abusers should be sterilised, the thought of them raising children appals
me.
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Cats leave pawprints on your heart.
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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 08 May 2006 16:38 GMT
> The damage done to society by allowing even those who commit despicable
> crimes to be demonized to such an extent surely outweighs any satisfaction
> gained by people who want to demonstrate 'Well, *I'm* not like that' by
> engaging in exactly the sort of behaviour they condemn, aimed at a target
> of their choice.

I agree completely. It's a satisfying emotional fantasy, but crime
should never actually be dealt with like that!

I agree about the demonizing, too. Everyone, even people who commit
truly despicable crimes, should have the opportunity for redemption.
There but for the grace of God, and all that.

Joyce
 
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