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Monique Y. Mudama - 06 May 2006 16:21 GMT
My IBS (or whatever it is) continues unabated.  If anything, it's
getting worse.  I feel like I've had a stomach ache for over a month
straight (although technically I guess it's an intestinal ache).

My acupuncturist has stuck tiny magnets in my ears (via adhesive; no
poking!) and given me herbs (Six Gentlemen) to take three times a day.
So far I haven't noticed much of a difference, but he did up the
dosage yesterday, so maybe it will help.  I've worked my way up to two
tablespoons of benefiber a day, one morning and one night.

Blood tests from my regular doctor came back negative (I don't
remember what they're testing for).  I'm supposed to send stool
samples to the lab, which I haven't yet, to test for bacterial
problems, but I guess I really doubt that's the problem, so I haven't
been motivated to take time out of my busy schedule to deal with this
and bring it to the lab.  Plus it's gross!  (Although, as my
acupuncturist said, "Oh, once you have kids, nothing will gross you
out anymore.  It's just poop!")

I've even given up coffee!  It seems like a sacrifice like that should
be rewarded =/

I figured it was stress, but couldn't figure out why I'd be so stressed
... until my massage therapist (I see her for my wrist, but she is a
firm believer in the body as a whole, not just treating one piece) asked
me how I felt.  I said my belly hurt like crazy, but I didn't feel
stress, but I guessed there was a lot going on ...

And that's when I started listing what's going on ... and almost
crying ...

My company was just bought.  We're now a wholely owned subsidiary of a
large company.  There's no anticipation of any changes to our company,
and by all accounts this is a good thing, but a lot of people have been
leaving the company (probably because they got their option check and it
seemed like a good time to go), and it's certainly an uncertainty in my
life right now.

I just started a completely new role at work.  For the last almost-year
I've been developing Java applets for end users.  As of last week I am
primarily writing SQL for a server system that, well, it's the most
complicated database app we have at our company, more complicated than
most DBAs have ever seen; it's far from perfect and when there's a
mistake, it needs to be fixed instantly.  So it's a high-visibility job
for which I really have no experience; this week I wrote my first-ever
stored procedure and had to put it in the production environment the
same day I wrote it.  (It did work perfectly.)   We also have a new
employee who's started on this team and needs a lot of help.  Now,
overall I am actually very interested in this application, and I enjoy
mentoring people, so it's not like I hate my job or anything.  It's just
innately stressful.  The guy who worked on this project solo for almost
three years quit the company (after being a very unhappy camper working
many long hours for a long time).  He did wait until we hired two people
to learn the system, but one of those quit unexpectedly.  So the
least-experienced guy in the system is now our de facto "senior" guy for
it.  We think that three people is the right number for this system, and
hopefully with three people, required late nights will be a rarity ...
still, I guess I'm pretty stressed out about this, even though I'm also
looking forward to it and I know I'm at my best when I'm learning a new
system.  There's a lot of pressure to do it right, and do it now, and
while everyone knows I'm in the learning phase right now, soon enough
I'll be in the line of fire.  At least that will take some pressure
off the guy who's currently doing everything.

My husband's job is at risk.  His company is also in the process of
being bought, but while my company was bought as an investment, with a
mostly hands-off approach, his company was bought strategically, as in
"we just want you customers."  DH seemed to be in a very good position
for this -- everyone loves him -- but it turns out there's one guy (just
one guy!) at the new company who used to work with DH and is running
what appears to be a smear campaign.  The new company is very teamwork
oriented, and there's a good chance that they won't keep DH if someone
in the company hates him and refuses to work with him.  The good news is
that with severance package, unused vacation, and some other stuff, it's
unlikely to be a financial hardship.  But it's a blow to the gut for my
husband, which of course hurts me, too.  He's worked hard for all these
years to do right by the company, and even became a manager to try to
make things better for his engineering team, so ... well, this hurts.
And it's more uncertainty; if he gets laid off, we'll need to switch
insurance companies, which would suck because a lot of the "alternative"
treatments I've been getting have been covered under his insurance ...
and of course it's just more stress.

And last weekend, we put down a deposit on an expensive car.  Now, DH
has wanted this car for over a year, and he's been driving an old
clunker while I have been driving a new car (bought in 2004) that's
fun to drive.  It's not that I don't want him to have a nice car.
It's just ... it's a lot of money, and with everything else going on
... well, it's just more stress.

Oh, and my mom's visiting in a few weeks.  I'm definitely looking
forward to this, but I'm also apprehensive.  I've talked a little bit
on rpca about how we don't always get along.  Mostly I worry about her
saying something about my weight, which is definitely not what I need.
So I build up these elaborate scenarios in my head about what she
will say, and how I will respond, etc, that stress me out without
actually helping at all.  She's coming for a week that spans Memorial
Day, so my plan is to take WTh off, then work Friday, then spend the
long weekend with her, then go back to work.  Hopefully the Friday
will give me enough of a break that I won't stress out too badly.  I
love my mother, and I definitely want to see her, but she can also
wear me out badly.

What with the belly and all the stuff going on right now, I also
haven't been getting to bed early, and haven't been sleeping well, and
if there's one thing I need to function, it's enough sleep.

In some ways, I feel like these are all "poor little rich girl"
problems.  I have a job.  Money probably won't be tight (but it might
be).  Overall, I'm in good health, even though the constant ache in my
belly makes it feel like I'm not.  But, regardless of whether I'm
comparatively well off, I'm horribly stressed and feel awful.  So
please, could I have some purrs?  (Virtual hugs wouldn't be at all
amiss, either.)

Oscar did make a point last night of lying down on my belly and
purring, which does seem to relieve the pain.  I just wish she hadn't
decided to *jump* and land hard on my belly before settling down to do
so!

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W. Leong - 06 May 2006 16:42 GMT
> My IBS (or whatever it is) continues unabated.  If anything, it's
> getting worse.  I feel like I've had a stomach ache for over a month
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> decided to *jump* and land hard on my belly before settling down to do
> so!

I am so sorry Monique.
Your bellyaches are probably related to stress. You have to try to relax.
When you go for massage, do you get a full body massage, or just on a wrist?
The former should help relax you.
I splurged on  a 60 min. massage on Thursday and I felt good afterwards.
If you don't mind the aroma, ask your massage therapist to mix some
essential oil like
lavender into the massage lotion/oil   to help you relax. Most massage
therapists don't mind
doing that. Relaxing music in the background during the massage helps too. I
almost dozed
off on the massage table.
I am using an herb called slipper elm on Rusty and it helps his upset tummy.
You should
give it a try too as it was also recommended for human IBS. I haven't tried
it myself so
I don't know how it tastes. But Rusty doesn't seem to mind it. The concotion
I made for
him is different from that for human, ie. just the slipper elm and water
with no sugar or honey
added.
I found valuable info on IBS on this site:
http://www.drweil.com/u/HC/HCA259/#4

Purrs coming your way from Rusty whose tummy is feeling better now.

Winnie
Monique Y. Mudama - 06 May 2006 19:48 GMT
> I am so sorry Monique.

> Your bellyaches are probably related to stress. You have to try to relax.
> When you go for massage, do you get a full body massage, or just on a wrist?
> The former should help relax you.

A little of both.  Last time it was exclusively relaxation oriented, and
she spent a lot of time on my belly.  My massage therapist is a firm
believer in everything being related to everything else, so even when
we're "just working on my wrist" she works on my back, my shoulders, etc
as well as my wrist and forearm.  She figures the wrist and the belly
may *both* stem from stress that I've been storing away rather than
dealing with.

> I splurged on  a 60 min. massage on Thursday and I felt good afterwards.

That's wonderful!  I know money is tight for you, but I do believe in
massage.  My MT also leads 20 minute relaxation classes at work, and
she teaches us some self-massage.  Have you looked into anything like
that?  For example, you can gently pinch the skin between your
fingers.  You might be amazed at how tender the area is -- that's
tension from stress.  Hold it for a while and let the tension bleed
out.

> If you don't mind the aroma, ask your massage therapist to mix some
> essential oil like lavender into the massage lotion/oil   to help you
> relax. Most massage therapists don't mind doing that. Relaxing music
> in the background during the massage helps too. I almost dozed off on
> the massage table.

She almost always has music going, and usually has some interesting
smells (I've never specifically asked for a particular aroma, but I
know some of them she chooses for their relaxing properties.  She has
tons of essential oils.)

I tend to talk a lot during the massage.  I don't know why, but I've
done it with every massage I've ever gotten.  One of my MTs said that
she thinks that when her clients start talking, it's because she's
massaging the area where the stress from that memory is stored.

> I am using an herb called slipper elm on Rusty and it helps his upset
> tummy.  You should give it a try too as it was also recommended for
> human IBS. I haven't tried it myself so I don't know how it tastes.
> But Rusty doesn't seem to mind it. The concotion I made for him is
> different from that for human, ie. just the slipper elm and water with
> no sugar or honey added.

Thank you for the information.  I may try that.  I worry that I'm
taking so many herbs that they'll all interact with each other,
though!

> I found valuable info on IBS on this site:
> http://www.drweil.com/u/HC/HCA259/#4

Thank you.  You've shown me that link before.  I'm a little bit
suspicious of Dr. Weil, to be honest.  Still, several of his
suggestions are sound.

Have you looked at this site?  It's a store, yes, but it also seems to
have tons of advice that makes a lot of gut sense to me (no pun
intended):

http://www.helpforibs.com/

> Purrs coming your way from Rusty whose tummy is feeling better now.

Thank you!  So glad Rusty is doing better.  I hope he kicks the
ringworm soon and that you feel better soon, too.

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W. Leong - 06 May 2006 21:34 GMT
> A little of both.  Last time it was exclusively relaxation oriented, and
> she spent a lot of time on my belly.  My massage therapist is a firm
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> tension from stress.  Hold it for a while and let the tension bleed
> out.

I am a firm believer of massage too. I've been to a massage therapist
regularly for over 10 years now. Recently a massage therapist sent me
a $10 coupon so I went for it. I took a self massage lessson from a
MT, and have a electric personal massager at home.

> She almost always has music going, and usually has some interesting
> smells (I've never specifically asked for a particular aroma, but I
> know some of them she chooses for their relaxing properties.  She has
> tons of essential oils.)

Ask her to use essential oil like ginger, peppermint, and/or rosemary on
your belly.
They are all go for the tummy and digestion. I massge my belly with these
oils
every day after shower. I found ginger eo espsecially helped me when I had
a bellyache.

> I tend to talk a lot during the massage.  I don't know why, but I've
> done it with every massage I've ever gotten.  One of my MTs said that
> she thinks that when her clients start talking, it's because she's
> massaging the area where the stress from that memory is stored.

That's interesting. Some MTs told me not to talk during massage
But sometimes I do talk, especially with my long time MT.
She is a  friend now.

> Thank you for the information.  I may try that.  I worry that I'm
> taking so many herbs that they'll all interact with each other,
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> suspicious of Dr. Weil, to be honest.  Still, several of his
> suggestions are sound.

Why are you suspicious of him? I've found many of his advices helped me.

Here is another website I found:
http://www.wholehealthmd.com/

> Have you looked at this site?  It's a store, yes, but it also seems to
> have tons of advice that makes a lot of gut sense to me (no pun
> intended):
>
> http://www.helpforibs.com/

I will take a closer look. I noticed it mentions yoga. I am taking a yoga
and pilates
class. Lots of stretching. In my last yoga class, I dozed off on the floor
at
the end the class.
It was that relaxing, considering the class was during lunch hour of a
hectic
work day.

> Thank you!  So glad Rusty is doing better.  I hope he kicks the
> ringworm soon and that you feel better soon, too.

Thanks. I actually don't feel bad, just tired from running around.  I am
volunteering
as a TA in computer classes for seniors. I got very good results on all my
tests from
my checkup except blood in the urine. I am drinking cranberry juice now.

Winnie
Monique Y. Mudama - 06 May 2006 22:56 GMT
> Ask her to use essential oil like ginger, peppermint, and/or
> rosemary on your belly.  They are all go for the tummy and
> digestion. I massge my belly with these oils every day after shower.
> I found ginger eo espsecially helped me when I had a bellyache.

That's a good idea.  Maybe I should massage my belly like that, too.
I know it feels good even without the oils.

>> Thank you.  You've shown me that link before.  I'm a little bit
>> suspicious of Dr. Weil, to be honest.  Still, several of his
>> suggestions are sound.
>
> Why are you suspicious of him? I've found many of his advices helped
> me.

I seem to recall doing some searches on his name and finding a lot of
accusations of him being a quack.  But then, a lot of people say that
about a lot of stuff that works for me.  He seems very
anti-conventional medicine.  I am okay with Western medicine in
general, but there do seem to be some spots where it's not very
helpful.

> Here is another website I found: http://www.wholehealthmd.com/

Thank you.  I'll take a look.

>> Have you looked at this site?  It's a store, yes, but it also seems
>> to have tons of advice that makes a lot of gut sense to me (no pun
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> dozed off on the floor at the end the class.  It was that relaxing,
> considering the class was during lunch hour of a hectic work day.

Yoga is great.  I have a video for yoga that I used to do almost every
morning, but with my wrist not working properly I can't do the moves
on that video.

> Thanks. I actually don't feel bad, just tired from running around.
> I am volunteering as a TA in computer classes for seniors. I got
> very good results on all my tests from my checkup except blood in
> the urine. I am drinking cranberry juice now.

Does acidic food make your IBS flare up?  I would just assume that
acid would be bad for IBS, but I don't really know.

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W. Leong - 07 May 2006 00:38 GMT
> That's a good idea.  Maybe I should massage my belly like that, too.
> I know it feels good even without the oils.

Make sure you dilute the essential oil first. Lavender and tea tree oil are
the only ones you can use neat. I use the unsecentd body lotion by Vaseline
Intensive Care to dilute the e.o. before massage. Just 1 or 2 drops of oil
are all
you need.

Of course it feels great when Rusty purrs on top of my belly. But with Rusty
having ringworm, I have to settle with a heating pad

> I seem to recall doing some searches on his name and finding a lot of
> accusations of him being a quack.  But then, a lot of people say that
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Does acidic food make your IBS flare up?  I would just assume that
> acid would be bad for IBS, but I don't really know.

Acidic food doesn't boder me.
I have been doing pretty well IBS-wise.
Just occassional bloatings or if I eat too much.
A rub of ginger oil or a cup of ginger tea usually help relieves it.
I drink a cup of ginger tea almost everyday. Of course Chinese
use a lot of ginger in our cooking. There is a Chinese saying that you
should only eat till you are 70% full and I think that is so true.
I've learned to be overeat when good food is around or I'll pay for
it later.

I also use fennel and dill when I cook fish. These 2 spices supposedly
help with gas.
And of  course garlic is a staple in my kitchen as I read garlic
is a great fungicide and helps in the battle against ringworm.

Winnie
Monique Y. Mudama - 07 May 2006 04:46 GMT
>> That's a good idea.  Maybe I should massage my belly like that,
>> too.  I know it feels good even without the oils.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> lotion by Vaseline Intensive Care to dilute the e.o. before massage.
> Just 1 or 2 drops of oil are all you need.

To be honest, I'm not even sure where you get essential oils.  The
slippery elm wasn't in my regular grocery store, but I'm sure I can
find it at Whole Foods; unfortunately, that's in Boulder, rather than
right down the street.

Anyway, though, I know my MT does a lot with essential oils, so I'm
sure she can tell me where to get the good stuff.

> Of course it feels great when Rusty purrs on top of my belly. But
> with Rusty having ringworm, I have to settle with a heating pad

Well, Oscar isn't always interested in purring on my tummy, so I have a
thick sock stuffed with rice that I microwave for times when she's not
volunteering her services.

>> Does acidic food make your IBS flare up?  I would just assume that
>> acid would be bad for IBS, but I don't really know.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> I've learned to be overeat when good food is around or I'll pay for
> it later.

That makes sense.  I have such a bad habit of overeating when I like
the taste of food.  Or even just out of habit.

I remembered I have some chewy ginger candy around the house, so I ate
some of that.  It's very strong -- in fact, I think it's imported from
Asia, not sure which region.

DH actually makes a darn good stir fry with a variety of things, but
teriyaki, ginger, and garlic are always featured prominently.  If you
have any good gingery recipes, I'd love to hear them!  I tried
scraping the root once, but I'm too lazy I guess, so we just buy the
jarred ginger paste.

This evening, DH made a salad with cucumbers that had been marinating
in vinegar, tomatoes, and avocado.  Very good, but I only had a
little, worried about my tummy.  I had lots of Japanese sticky rice
first, and a little bit of grilled chicken breast.  My tummy still
complained, but I think it's at a point right now where anything
upsets it.  Even the fiber supplements, which really aren't much to
get upset about.  I am looking at going "back to basics" -- eating
almost only soluble fiber for a few days to see if that will help my
belly calm down.  I just went to the grocery store and stocked up on
"known safe" foods so that I have a lot of snacks around the house
that shouldn't worsen the situation.

>  I also use fennel and dill when I cook fish. These 2 spices
>  supposedly help with gas.  And of  course garlic is a staple in my
>  kitchen as I read garlic is a great fungicide and helps in the
>  battle against ringworm.

I'm not a big fan of dill; I don't know if I've ever had fennel.  If
it really tastes like licorice, that might not be too bad.  I adore
licorice tea (although black licorice is too strong for me,
typically).

I just bought some gas-x, although I guess products like that make me
a little nervous.  It seems like if there's gas being produced, it
needs to be there, and I wonder what weird alchemical process gets rid
of it.  But I'll try it, anyway.

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W. Leong - 07 May 2006 05:49 GMT
> To be honest, I'm not even sure where you get essential oils.  The
> slippery elm wasn't in my regular grocery store, but I'm sure I can
> find it at Whole Foods; unfortunately, that's in Boulder, rather than
> right down the street.

Try a  health food store. I know they are not food, but ...

> Anyway, though, I know my MT does a lot with essential oils, so I'm
> sure she can tell me where to get the good stuff.

My MT get stuffs from places that sell only to MT. But it may be different
where you are.

> Well, Oscar isn't always interested in purring on my tummy, so I have a
> thick sock stuffed with rice that I microwave for times when she's not
> volunteering her services.

I use a heating pad with rice in it too and heat it in the microwave. But
after some time, it smelled like burned rice. The one I got now has
instructions that recommend putting a cup of water when microwaving.
My MT said its the moist heat that helps.

> That makes sense.  I have such a bad habit of overeating when I like
> the taste of food.  Or even just out of habit.
>
> I remembered I have some chewy ginger candy around the house, so I ate
> some of that.  It's very strong -- in fact, I think it's imported from
> Asia, not sure which region.

The ginger tea sold in Chinatown usually have too much sugar for my liking,
even though I have a sweet tooth. I buy ginger tea from Walmart or a health
food store. They are quite strong, but you can always steep the tea for only
a short
time. I usually make 2 cups of tea with one tea bag.
Another way is to make tea with.ginger powder.

> DH actually makes a darn good stir fry with a variety of things, but
> teriyaki, ginger, and garlic are always featured prominently.  If you
> have any good gingery recipes, I'd love to hear them!  I tried
> scraping the root once, but I'm too lazy I guess, so we just buy the
> jarred ginger paste.

I cut thin slices of ginger from the root and use them whenever I stir fry
vegetables.
They can also be used for steaming fish. The ginger cut down the fishy
smell.
Ginger also goes well with sweet potato. I add ginger, a little O.J.,
margarine, and
milk to cooked messed up sweet potato. Then bake it at 350 for about 10
minutes.
When I am lazy, I just sprinkle some ginger powder.

> This evening, DH made a salad with cucumbers that had been marinating
> in vinegar, tomatoes, and avocado.  Very good, but I only had a
> little, worried about my tummy.  I had lots of Japanese sticky rice
> first, and a little bit of grilled chicken breast.  My tummy still
> complained, but I think it's at a point right now where anything
> upsets it.

That sounds yummy. I would like the recipe for it.

On the website you provided, there was a recipe for congee which is
rice cooked with a lot of water. That is a comfort food for when we
got upset tummy as kids. Congee is also consumed as breakfast.
But I am just too lazy to make it as it takes a long slow cooking.

>Even the fiber supplements, which really aren't much to
> get upset about.  I am looking at going "back to basics" -- eating
> almost only soluble fiber for a few days to see if that will help my
> belly calm down.  I just went to the grocery store and stocked up on
> "known safe" foods so that I have a lot of snacks around the house
> that shouldn't worsen the situation.

You should increase your fiber intake slowly so your body can adapt.
Make sure you  drink lots of water with the fiber supplements. At least
that is true
with Metamucil. My doctor told me to tale Metmaucil regularly long term.
I've stopped using it after many years, and just eat cereal with high fiber
content
with ground up flax seeds.

> I'm not a big fan of dill; I don't know if I've ever had fennel.  If
> it really tastes like licorice, that might not be too bad.  I adore
> licorice tea (although black licorice is too strong for me,
> typically).

I  put up with fennel just because it supposedly help
with gas.  I can't stand licorice.

> I just bought some gas-x, although I guess products like that make me
> a little nervous.  It seems like if there's gas being produced, it
> needs to be there, and I wonder what weird alchemical process gets rid
> of it.  But I'll try it, anyway.

Gas medications supposedly break up the gas so you can pass them.
I  seldom them take them now.
Some doctors recommed charcoal tablets as home remedy. Haven't
tried them myself. The charcoal can also absorb any medication that you are
taking.

Winnie
Monique Y. Mudama - 07 May 2006 17:54 GMT
>> To be honest, I'm not even sure where you get essential oils.  The
>> slippery elm wasn't in my regular grocery store, but I'm sure I can
>> find it at Whole Foods; unfortunately, that's in Boulder, rather
>> than right down the street.
>
> Try a  health food store. I know they are not food, but ...

Whole Foods will probably have it.

> I use a heating pad with rice in it too and heat it in the
> microwave. But after some time, it smelled like burned rice. The one
> I got now has instructions that recommend putting a cup of water
> when microwaving.  My MT said its the moist heat that helps.

Interesting.  You put a cup of water in the microwave, or pour it into
the pad?

> The ginger tea sold in Chinatown usually have too much sugar for my
> liking, even though I have a sweet tooth. I buy ginger tea from
> Walmart or a health food store. They are quite strong, but you can
> always steep the tea for only a short time. I usually make 2 cups of
> tea with one tea bag.  Another way is to make tea with.ginger
> powder.

Ginger powder like the kind you use in cooking?  I have some of that,
but I wasn't sure if it would work.  I guess there's no reason it
wouldn't.

> I cut thin slices of ginger from the root and use them whenever I
> stir fry vegetables.  They can also be used for steaming fish. The
> ginger cut down the fishy smell.  Ginger also goes well with sweet
> potato. I add ginger, a little O.J., margarine, and milk to cooked
> messed up sweet potato. Then bake it at 350 for about 10 minutes.
> When I am lazy, I just sprinkle some ginger powder.

Mmm, interesting idea.  I might have to try that.

>> This evening, DH made a salad with cucumbers that had been
>> marinating in vinegar, tomatoes, and avocado.  Very good, but I
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>
> That sounds yummy. I would like the recipe for it.

Well, he kind of made it up.  He peeled the cucumber and sliced it
thinly, and put the cucumber in a bowl with a mix of about 1/3 rice
vinegar / 2/3 water.  He refrigerated that (we were supposed to eat it
Friday night, but we didn't till Saturday, so it was marinating for
about a day).

He took some slices and put them into each of our bowls.  Then he
added chopped tomatoes and chunks of avocado to it.  That was pretty
much it, I think.  Simple and tasty.

For the sticky rice, I think we just do the usual -- the rice is done
in a rice cooker, and afterwards we sprinkle in some rice vinegar and
fluff it a bit.

> On the website you provided, there was a recipe for congee which is
> rice cooked with a lot of water. That is a comfort food for when we
> got upset tummy as kids. Congee is also consumed as breakfast.  But
> I am just too lazy to make it as it takes a long slow cooking.

I may have to look into that.  It sounds yummy.  One thing I'm
wondering is if there's such a thing as a rice pudding recipe that
doesn't use dairy.

>  You should increase your fiber intake slowly so your body can
>  adapt.  Make sure you  drink lots of water with the fiber
>  supplements. At least that is true with Metamucil. My doctor told
>  me to tale Metmaucil regularly long term.  I've stopped using it
>  after many years, and just eat cereal with high fiber content with
>  ground up flax seeds.

Yup, I've been slowly working up the fiber intake, and trying to drink
a lot of water.  Actually I'm drinking a lot of peppermint tea and
camomile, especially since I gave up coffee *cry*.

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Bill Stock - 06 May 2006 16:52 GMT
> My IBS (or whatever it is) continues unabated.  If anything, it's
> getting worse.  I feel like I've had a stomach ache for over a month
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> dosage yesterday, so maybe it will help.  I've worked my way up to two
> tablespoons of benefiber a day, one morning and one night.

You didn't get into the gory details, so I don't know if the toilet is your
friend. My mother suffers from some kind of IBS and can't handle any kind of
fiber. She takes Chlorella tablets, which are probably a waste of money. But
she says they help.

> Blood tests from my regular doctor came back negative (I don't
> remember what they're testing for).  I'm supposed to send stool
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> acupuncturist said, "Oh, once you have kids, nothing will gross you
> out anymore.  It's just poop!")

Your accupunturist sounds Chineese (Duh!). My mother also sees one and he
seems to know more than the regular doctors. He was actually a surgeon in
China, but never bothered to get recertified here.

I'm surprised you haven't had a Colonoscopy yet.

> I've even given up coffee!  It seems like a sacrifice like that should
> be rewarded =/
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> decided to *jump* and land hard on my belly before settling down to do
> so!
Monique Y. Mudama - 06 May 2006 19:38 GMT
> You didn't get into the gory details, so I don't know if the toilet
> is your friend. My mother suffers from some kind of IBS and can't
> handle any kind of fiber. She takes Chlorella tablets, which are
> probably a waste of money. But she says they help.

I don't know what those are ... but worth noting.  I spend a lot of
time visiting the toilet.  It seems like I can't sit down at my desk
at work without feeling that I have to get up again and go.
Fortunately no vomiting.  Lots of sitting on the throne feeling like
something needs to happen, but nothing does.  Or the opposite.

> Your accupunturist sounds Chineese (Duh!). My mother also sees one
> and he seems to know more than the regular doctors. He was actually
> a surgeon in China, but never bothered to get recertified here.

He's actually white and I think USian, but I believe he got his degree
in Hong Kong and I know he spent some time in Japan as well.  I really
like him.  He has a hard-to-describe manner -- easy going, friendly,
exceptionally calm, but also intensely focused.  It's easy to trust
him and to believe he wants the best for me.

> I'm surprised you haven't had a Colonoscopy yet.

It hadn't occured to me.  Maybe I should look into that.  I just got
off the phone with my mom, and she suggested some kind of XRay that
can identify infection (terms may be off here -- she was speaking
partly in German).  DH is wondering if an MRI might find something.  I
guess I am pretty convinced it's IBS, for which as far as I can tell
there's little known in traditional medicine.  But I guess I should
exhaust all possibilities before I give up.

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W. Leong - 06 May 2006 21:09 GMT
> I don't know what those are ... but worth noting.  I spend a lot of
> time visiting the toilet.  It seems like I can't sit down at my desk
> at work without feeling that I have to get up again and go.
> Fortunately no vomiting.  Lots of sitting on the throne feeling like
> something needs to happen, but nothing does.  Or the opposite.

That definitely sounds like IBS.
Are you bloated? I was very bloated when I was diagnosed with IBS.

> He's actually white and I think USian, but I believe he got his degree
> in Hong Kong and I know he spent some time in Japan as well.  I really
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> there's little known in traditional medicine.  But I guess I should
> exhaust all possibilities before I give up.

Maybe you should see a GI specialist. He or she would order the most
appropriate
test.
I agree with another poster that diet is the most important factor in
treating IBS.
I watch my diet very carefully and make sure I don't overeat. Turns out I am
also
lactose intolerant. I drink more soy milk now. If I do drink milk, it is
treated with
lactase enzyme first.

Winnie
Monique Y. Mudama - 06 May 2006 22:52 GMT
> That definitely sounds like IBS.  Are you bloated? I was very
> bloated when I was diagnosed with IBS.

Maybe.  Certainly when my tummy hurts, it also feels "firm" to the
touch, whereas it's softer when I feel fine.

> Maybe you should see a GI specialist. He or she would order the most
> appropriate test.  I agree with another poster that diet is the most
> important factor in treating IBS.  I watch my diet very carefully
> and make sure I don't overeat. Turns out I am also lactose
> intolerant. I drink more soy milk now. If I do drink milk, it is
> treated with lactase enzyme first.

My doctor is an internal medicine specialist -- is that the same?

I'm reading a lot now.  One thing a lot of sites say is to make sure
you get tested for everything else that has similar symptoms.  I guess
I'll be calling my doctor next week.

http://www.helpforibs.com/footer/ibs.asp

What Symptoms and Diseases Need to Be Ruled Out For an IBS Diagnosis?
In essence, the diagnosis of IBS is a process of exclusion. There is
no medical test available that will be positive for IBS; instead, your
doctor will test you for all other illnesses that can mimic IBS
symptoms, and if those tests are negative, and if your symptoms fit
the Rome II Guidelines for Diagnosis, you'll then be diagnosed with
IBS. In particular, it's important that the following diseases are
excluded before you accept a diagnosis of IBS:

Colon and carcinoid cancer
Inflammatory bowel diseases (Crohn's and Ulcerative Colitis)
Bowel obstructions
Diverticulosis / Diverticulitis
Gallstones
Food allergies
Celiac (a genetic, autoimmune disorder resulting in gluten
intolerance)
Bacterial infections
Intestinal parasites
Endometriosis
Ovarian cancer

What Tests Does a Diagnosis of Irritable Bowel Syndrome Require?
As a rule, all possible physical, structural, and infectious
abnormalities of the GI tract need to be unquestionably eliminated
before you agree to an IBS diagnosis. This requires a physical
examination, preferably by a board-certified gastroenterologist, and
may include the following studies:

Complete blood count, sedimentation rate, and chemistries
Stool for ova, parasites, and blood
Urinalysis
Liver function tests
Rectal exam
Abdominal x-rays
Colonoscopy
For women, a gynecological exam including CA-125 blood test for
ovarian cancer

Other diagnostic studies should be minimal and will depend on the
symptom subtype. For example, in patients with diarrhea-predominant
symptoms, a small bowel radiograph or lactose/dextrose H2 breath test.
For patients with pain as the predominant symptom, a plain abdominal
radiograph during an acute episode to exclude bowel obstruction and
other abdominal pathology. For patients with indigestion, nausea, and
bloating, an abdominal ultrasound to rule out gallstones. For patients
with any numbness in association with constipation, Multiple Sclerosis
should be excluded. For older patients (age 50 and above), pancreatic
cancer may need to be excluded.

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W. Leong - 07 May 2006 00:51 GMT
> Maybe.  Certainly when my tummy hurts, it also feels "firm" to the
> touch, whereas it's softer when I feel fine.

Do you feel 'gassy'? I was very bloated with gas and achy.

> My doctor is an internal medicine specialist -- is that the same?

No it is not the same as a  gastroenterologist. I used to work for some GI
docs
in doing research. Actually the GI doctor that I saw didn't mention
IBS. He just suspectd that I am lactose intolerant. I never went for the
test. It was my family doctor that diagnosed me with Spastic Colon,
which is another name for IBS. She ordered a test or exam for the intestines
several times. They didn't found anything wrong. I forgot the name
of the test, except it was most unpleasant. It isn't in the list of tests in
your post.
I did ask my gynecologist for a CA-125 blood test for ovarian cancer.
But she said an ovarian growth can be detected in my annual pelvic
ultrasound.
(She did see cysts a few times.)
So I didn't go for the CA-125  as it wasn't covered by the government
insurance.

Winnie

> I'm reading a lot now.  One thing a lot of sites say is to make sure
> you get tested for everything else that has similar symptoms.  I guess
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> should be excluded. For older patients (age 50 and above), pancreatic
> cancer may need to be excluded.
Monique Y. Mudama - 07 May 2006 05:00 GMT
>> Maybe.  Certainly when my tummy hurts, it also feels "firm" to the
>> touch, whereas it's softer when I feel fine.
>
> Do you feel 'gassy'? I was very bloated with gas and achy.

Well, now that you put it that way -- yes!  Very much so.

>> My doctor is an internal medicine specialist -- is that the same?
>
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> ultrasound.  (She did see cysts a few times.) So I didn't go for the
> CA-125  as it wasn't covered by the government insurance.

Hrmm.  Interesting.  I wonder what that test was.  Not a colonoscopy?

I'm going to make an appointment and bring that list to my doctor.
Just in case.  Even though it seems like it really must be IBS.  I'll
ask her if she can recommend a gastroenterologist, although I may have
to just hand her a sheet of paper with that written down, rather than
trying to pronounce it!

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W. Leong - 07 May 2006 06:06 GMT
> Well, now that you put it that way -- yes!  Very much so.
>
> Hrmm.  Interesting.  I wonder what that test was.  Not a colonoscopy?

No. It is a common enough test though. I just can't remember the name
as it has been some years now. Recently I have my checkup and my
doctore didn't order it as I've been doing fine in that regard.
I probably should have a colonscopy at my age. My doctor didn't
order one and I didn't ask about it. Call me chicken. I just dread
those kind of tests. Unfortunately the older I get, the more tests my doctor
orders.
Good thing I don't have to pay for them.

> I'm going to make an appointment and bring that list to my doctor.
> Just in case.  Even though it seems like it really must be IBS.  I'll
> ask her if she can recommend a gastroenterologist, although I may have
> to just hand her a sheet of paper with that written down, rather than
> trying to pronounce it!

Good idea.  Often I have a list of things to ask the doctor or else I
forget.
Ah, the joy of  aging!
But I know a doctor who gets defensive when her patient asked to be referred
to a specialist right at the start. Not my doctor. She has referred me to
many specialists over the years.

Winnie
Singh - 06 May 2006 16:56 GMT
We have lots of purrs to go around here, and there's always room for one
more! So many loud ones for you and your everything, on the way.

Blessed be,
Baha

> My IBS (or whatever it is) continues unabated.  If anything, it's
> getting worse.  I feel like I've had a stomach ache for over a month
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Monique Y. Mudama - 06 May 2006 18:53 GMT
> We have lots of purrs to go around here, and there's always room for
> one more! So many loud ones for you and your everything, on the way.
>
> Blessed be, Baha

Thank you!

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Adrian A - 06 May 2006 17:16 GMT
> My IBS (or whatever it is) continues unabated.  If anything, it's
> getting worse.  I feel like I've had a stomach ache for over a month
> straight (although technically I guess it's an intestinal ache).
<snip>

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Monique Y. Mudama - 06 May 2006 18:53 GMT
> Purrs for you to feel well soonest.

Thank you so much.

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jmcquown - 06 May 2006 17:30 GMT
> My IBS (or whatever it is) continues unabated.

Purrs headed your way.  Mine got so bad my doctor actually got it FMLA
certified with my employer.

An important thing is to be mindful of what you eat.  I was basically on the
BRAT diet (bananas, rice, applesauce, toast).  Since I happen to really
enjoy spicy food, the diet restrictions can be awful!  There's nothing more
boring than a plain bowl of rice, cooked without salt or butter.  Okay, I
take that back... dry toast is also pretty awful.

Purrs for everything in your life to improve, ASAP!

Jill
Monique Y. Mudama - 06 May 2006 19:32 GMT
>> My IBS (or whatever it is) continues unabated.
>
> Purrs headed your way.  Mine got so bad my doctor actually got it
> FMLA certified with my employer.

Erf.  I really don't want it to come to that.  I mean, if it gets that
bad, that is the right thing to do, but I really do enjoy my job and
the people I work with, and I really don't want to have to leave the
job just when I feel like I'm hitting my stride.  Perhaps that's
exactly how you felt.

> An important thing is to be mindful of what you eat.  I was
> basically on the BRAT diet (bananas, rice, applesauce, toast).
> Since I happen to really enjoy spicy food, the diet restrictions can
> be awful!  There's nothing more boring than a plain bowl of rice,
> cooked without salt or butter.  Okay, I take that back... dry toast
> is also pretty awful.

Hrm, spicy food -- I don't suppose Indian, Mexican, and Thai count?
Staples of my diet.  Sigh.

I've actually just ordered a book called "Eating For IBS", and they
also provide this poster as a kind of summary of the basics:

http://www.helpforibs.com/diet/heathersibscheatsheet.pdf

Do you find this matches your experiences?

*sigh* a lot of the stuff on the "avoid as much as possible" list are
foods I adore.  Still, if it helps ...

I've actually gotten to the point where I think that rice with some
lentils sounds like a great meal.  Unfortunately I enacted that plan
yesterday by getting takeout from an Indian restaurant, and I included
some spicy meats as well.  Er, not entirely the best plan, I think.

In fact, I didn't just order the book, I ordered a whole kit that
sounded like a good start:

http://www.helpforibs.com/shop/deals/dietkit2.asp

> Purrs for everything in your life to improve, ASAP!

Thank you very much!  I just hope I can learn not to stress about the
things I can't affect.  I waste so much energy and lose so much sleep
over matters completely beyond my control.

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W. Leong - 06 May 2006 21:15 GMT
> Hrm, spicy food -- I don't suppose Indian, Mexican, and Thai count?
> Staples of my diet.  Sigh.

I can't eat spicy food. Maybe you should keep a food log. When I saw
the GI specialist, he kept asking me what food bothered me.

> I've actually just ordered a book called "Eating For IBS", and they
> also provide this poster as a kind of summary of the basics:
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>
> http://www.helpforibs.com/shop/deals/dietkit2.asp

I was surpristed yogurt wasn't mentioned. I eat yogurt every day now
and even though I am lactose intolerant, yogurt doesn't bother me.

Winnie

> Thank you very much!  I just hope I can learn not to stress about the
> things I can't affect.  I waste so much energy and lose so much sleep
> over matters completely beyond my control.
Monique Y. Mudama - 06 May 2006 22:58 GMT
>> Hrm, spicy food -- I don't suppose Indian, Mexican, and Thai count?
>> Staples of my diet.  Sigh.
>
> I can't eat spicy food. Maybe you should keep a food log. When I saw
> the GI specialist, he kept asking me what food bothered me.

I actually have started keeping a food log as of a few days ago.  I
hope it will show me some patterns.

> I was surpristed yogurt wasn't mentioned. I eat yogurt every day now
> and even though I am lactose intolerant, yogurt doesn't bother me.

I know I've talked to other lactose intolerant people who say that
cheese doesn't bother them, and I wonder if yoghurt is the same way.
I would hate to stop eating yoghurt, since it helps with keeping yeast
infections away.  I can really tell if I haven't had yoghurt in a few
weeks.

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Yowie - 06 May 2006 23:16 GMT
> I was surpristed yogurt wasn't mentioned. I eat yogurt every day now
> and even though I am lactose intolerant, yogurt doesn't bother me.

thats because there is no lactose in yoghurt. The bacilli that turn it into
yoghurt eat the lactose and turn it into lactic acid, which gives yoghurt
that sharp tangy taste.

Yoghurt is an excellent source of calcium and the other nutrients in dairy
for those who are lactose intolerant. (Theoretically you could also drink
the milk they sell specifically for cats)

Sadly, not only is Joel lactose intolerant he's also allergic to casein, the
protein in cow's milk, so he's allergic to *all* dairy (at least, the cow
based dairy). He still has a passion for cheese, and will eat it when he
can't stand life without cheese any more.... and then pays for it that
night. I just wish there was more goat and sheep cheese available here.

Apprantly 'A2' milk, which is taken from a specific breed of cows that
aren't sually used for mass-production of milk has a slighly different form
of casein tht doesnt' seem to bother people as much. Joel didn't seem to
react to it as much, but at $6 a litre, we won't be indulging in it that
often. I dread to think how much cheese made from A2 milk would be!

Yowie
Monique Y. Mudama - 06 May 2006 23:41 GMT
> thats because there is no lactose in yoghurt. The bacilli that turn
> it into yoghurt eat the lactose and turn it into lactic acid, which
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> and then pays for it that night. I just wish there was more goat and
> sheep cheese available here.

Well, apparently similar problems affect yoghurt for IBS sufferers.
It figures that I *just* found a brand and flavor of yoghurt that I
absolutely adore.

http://www.helpforibs.com/diet/faq.asp

Can I eat dairy if it's skim or lactose free? What about yogurt?
To keep your IBS stable it's best to eliminate all dairy products from
your diet completely. Dairy is an IBS trigger even if you're not
lactose intolerant. It's simply not just the lactose. It's also not
just the high fat content of most dairy products that can cause your
IBS to flare. Even skim and lactose-free dairy can trigger IBS
attacks. In addition to fat and lactose, dairy contains components
such as the proteins whey and casein, which can cause severe digestion
problems. Though yogurt is traditionally recommended as an "easily
digestible" dairy product because fermentation has reduced the lactose
levels, even non-fat versions contain whey and casein, and should be
avoided. You're much better off using soy or rice milk substitutes for
dairy. If you want the benefits of the live cultures in yogurt choose
a soy yogurt instead.

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W. Leong - 07 May 2006 00:24 GMT
> Well, apparently similar problems affect yoghurt for IBS sufferers.
> It figures that I *just* found a brand and flavor of yoghurt that I
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> dairy. If you want the benefits of the live cultures in yogurt choose
> a soy yogurt instead.

What about kefir? It is similar to yogurt, but can be made from soy or rice.
according to info on
http://www.kefir.net/intro.htm

Winnie
Monique Y. Mudama - 07 May 2006 03:11 GMT
> What about kefir? It is similar to yogurt, but can be made from soy
> or rice.  according to info on http://www.kefir.net/intro.htm

I think I've had it before and didn't care for it =/

I guess I'll try some soy yoghurt.  But I just bought two big tubs of
Brown Cow Maple yoghurt =/

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Debbie Wilson - 07 May 2006 11:13 GMT
> > What about kefir? It is similar to yogurt, but can be made from soy
> > or rice.  according to info on http://www.kefir.net/intro.htm
>
> I think I've had it before and didn't care for it =/

There are two types - milk and water kefir. A friend of mine makes both
and I didn't like the milk one (too gloopy), but the water one was OK.
Maybe you only tried one kind, do you think?

She also told me about milk substitutes that are made from nut flour
with water added - for example hazlenuts ground very finely into flour,
then added to water makes a milk-like liquid. I tried it and it was very
nice - would be OK on cereals etc, would make coffee 'interesting' but
would not be nice in tea. If you want to know more I can ask her more
about it? Are nuts OK for you?

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Monique Y. Mudama - 08 May 2006 03:27 GMT
> There are two types - milk and water kefir. A friend of mine makes
> both and I didn't like the milk one (too gloopy), but the water one
> was OK.  Maybe you only tried one kind, do you think?

Seems possible.  Or maybe I totally misunderstood what Kefir is.  I
thought it was only dairy based.  In fact, I'm confused now, as all
the links I find say that it's dairy, or maybe could be made using soy
...

> She also told me about milk substitutes that are made from nut flour
> with water added - for example hazlenuts ground very finely into
> flour, then added to water makes a milk-like liquid. I tried it and
> it was very nice - would be OK on cereals etc, would make coffee
> 'interesting' but would not be nice in tea. If you want to know more
> I can ask her more about it? Are nuts OK for you?

Finely ground nuts are okay.  I think nuts in general will be more
okay once my system stabilizes.  Right now I'm trying to stick to
"safe" foods.  My tummy this weekend, following this plan, has gotten
slightly upset right when I eat the food, but then settles down
(mostly).  But then, my tummy is always worse on days when I'm at
work, so we'll see how tomorrow goes.  It will also be harder to stick
to my food intentions at work.

I've been looking for a rice pudding recipe using soy -- I think of
rice pudding as a comfort food -- and found this easy recipe that
seems okay for the guidelines I'm trying to follow:

http://extension.agron.iastate.edu/soybean/uses_recipes2.html

Rice Pudding

2 1/4 cup white rice
3 1/3 cup soy milk
4 tablespoons sugar
2/3 cup raisins
½ teaspoon salt
½ teaspoon vanilla extract
¼ teaspoon cinnamon powder
¼ teaspoon nutmeg powder
½ teaspoon salt

In a pan, add the soy milk and rice. Bring to a boil and continue to
boil over low heat for about 20 minutes or until the rice is very
soft, while stirring occasionally. Add the sugar and raisins and cook
for another 2 minutes longer, while stirring occasionally.  Add
vanilla extract and salt. Pour the rice pudding into serving dishes.
Sprinkle with nutmeg or cinnamon. Serve the rice pudding immediately
(hot) or cool down and serve cold. Makes 6 servings.

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Debbie Wilson - 08 May 2006 10:05 GMT
> Finely ground nuts are okay.  I think nuts in general will be more
> okay once my system stabilizes.  

Here are a few example recipes of the kind of thing:
http://paleofood.com/nmilks.htm

My friend is away at the moment but I'll ask her when she gets back for
any further info. I'm sure you could also get them ready-made in a
health food shop too.

> I've been looking for a rice pudding recipe using soy -- I think of
> rice pudding as a comfort food -- and found this easy recipe that
> seems okay for the guidelines I'm trying to follow:
>
> http://extension.agron.iastate.edu/soybean/uses_recipes2.html
(snip)

Sounds very delicious, yes I agree - it's a good comfort food :-)

Re. kefir - this is probably the most comprehensive site I know of:
http://users.chariot.net.au/%7Edna/kefirpage.html#alternativekefir

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Monique Y. Mudama - 09 May 2006 04:02 GMT
> Sounds very delicious, yes I agree - it's a good comfort food :-)
>
> Re. kefir - this is probably the most comprehensive site I know of:
> http://users.chariot.net.au/%7Edna/kefirpage.html#alternativekefir

Interesting -- sounds more like a science experiment than anything
else!

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 07 May 2006 05:07 GMT
> He still has a passion for cheese, and will eat it when he
> can't stand life without cheese any more.... and then pays for it that
> night. I just wish there was more goat and sheep cheese available here.

What? No sheep cheese? In *Australia*??

Joyce
Yowie - 07 May 2006 08:28 GMT
> > He still has a passion for cheese, and will eat it when he
> > can't stand life without cheese any more.... and then pays for it that
> > night. I just wish there was more goat and sheep cheese available here.
>
> What? No sheep cheese? In *Australia*??

Its strange, isn't it? Sheep are almost exclusively for either wool or for
meat, I don't think anyone would immediatley think "cheese" here. Thats not
to say that sheep cheese is unvailable, but its a speciality cheese rahter
than a common one - you have to go to the deli rather than the supermarket
to find it.

Keshkavel (sp?) is *yummy*!

Yowie
Helen Wheels - 08 May 2006 06:48 GMT
>>>He still has a passion for cheese, and will eat it when he
>>>can't stand life without cheese any more.... and then pays for it that
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Yowie

They sell some really nice sheep cheeses in the Ag department at the
university where I work. They do Pecorino, labneh, fetta (including a
wonderful version marinated in local olive oil and herbs, camembert and
a blue cheese as well as sheep milk yoghurt and ice cream. Aaahh!
It's all wonderful stuff. I guess it'll get more common in regular shops
eventually.
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 07 May 2006 04:51 GMT
> I was basically on the BRAT diet (bananas, rice, applesauce, toast).

Whenever I get sick in a way that involves nausea, I go right on this
diet - it's wonderful for an upset stomach. And when I'm feeling like
that, I don't want culinary excitement - please, bore me! :) Applesauce,
especially, is great. It's good to be able to get some food in when your
stomach is in turmoil because an empty stomach means a lot of stomach
acids churning around, which can't be good for it.

Joyce
Jo Firey - 07 May 2006 06:49 GMT
> > I was basically on the BRAT diet (bananas, rice, applesauce, toast).
>
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>
> Joyce

My Grandfather was a healer.  Knew the medicines that could be found in the
woods and how to use them.

I manage to get by mostly between BRAT (above) and RICE (rest, ice,
compression, elevation.)

If it bleeds, compression.  if that doesn't work get help.  Not breathing,
get help first and then keep the air going in and out until help arrives.

One remedy I remember, but not what its used for.  What is witch hazel used
for?  Besides putting on cotton to get the puffiness out of your eyes.  On
insect bites?  I just don't remember.

Jo
W. Leong - 07 May 2006 19:41 GMT
> My Grandfather was a healer.  Knew the medicines that could be found in
> the woods and how to use them.
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> used for?  Besides putting on cotton to get the puffiness out of your
> eyes.  On insect bites?  I just don't remember.

I think witch hazel is used in various skin products. But it can cause
allergy.

Winnie

> Jo
mlbriggs - 06 May 2006 17:55 GMT
> My IBS (or whatever it is) continues unabated.  If anything, it's
> getting worse.  I feel like I've had a stomach ache for over a month
[quoted text clipped - 115 lines]
> decided to *jump* and land hard on my belly before settling down to do
> so!

Ye Gods!  I got "stressed" just reading about it.   Purrs that you will
develop a "quiet mind".   MLB

"..a quiet mind cannot be stressed or frightened, but will go on year
after year like a clock in a thunderstorm..."  Author unknown.
Monique Y. Mudama - 06 May 2006 19:26 GMT
> Ye Gods!  I got "stressed" just reading about it.   Purrs that you
> will develop a "quiet mind".   MLB
>
> "..a quiet mind cannot be stressed or frightened, but will go on
> year after year like a clock in a thunderstorm..."  Author unknown.

Thank you for these very appropriate purrs.  This is exactly what I am
trying to achieve.  Unfortunately I think that I got myself into a
position where I *thought* I had a quiet mind, but in fact I was
simply supressing the frightened and stressed thoughts, which isn't
the same thing at all as not having them or letting them go.

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HRFLTiger - 06 May 2006 17:59 GMT
> please, could I have some purrs?  (Virtual hugs wouldn't be at all
> amiss, either.)/////

Lots of hugs and purrs heading your way, {{{{MONIQUE}}}}

Purrs that the stress resolves itself soon.

Helen M
Monique Y. Mudama - 06 May 2006 19:25 GMT
> Lots of hugs and purrs heading your way, {{{{MONIQUE}}}}
>
> Purrs that the stress resolves itself soon.
>
> Helen M

Thank you so much.

I think that what it comes down to is this: It's not that my life is
stressful; it's that I stress about my life.

I am slowly learning techniques to accept what is and to stop winding
myself up about things outside of my control, but it is a process that
takes time, with lots of backsliding.  I tend to be viciously
unsympathetic to myself, and so when I backslide into worrying about
something, I tend to berate myself for not being able to accept
reality, rather than comforting myself.  (Can you tell I'm seeing a
therapist, just by the kinds of things I'm talking about here?)  So I
punish myself coming and going.

I *am* slowly learning, though, to be kind to myself (especially
within my own head, where I am the meanest) and to let things go.  It
just takes time.

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 07 May 2006 04:53 GMT
> I tend to be viciously unsympathetic to myself, and so when I
> backslide into worrying about something, I tend to berate myself
> for not being able to accept reality, rather than comforting myself.

Now that's self-abuse: beating yourself up for feeling bad!
(Not that I know anything about this, no siree! :))

Relaxing purrs...

Joyce
Monique Y. Mudama - 07 May 2006 17:10 GMT
> > I tend to be viciously unsympathetic to myself, and so when I
> > backslide into worrying about something, I tend to berate myself
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> Now that's self-abuse: beating yourself up for feeling bad!  (Not
> that I know anything about this, no siree! :))

The sad part (see, that's me beating myself up again) is that it took
a therapist to point it out to me.

> Relaxing purrs...

Thank you.

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Yowie - 06 May 2006 23:06 GMT
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> In some ways, I feel like these are all "poor little rich girl"
> problems.  I have a job.  Money probably won't be tight (but it might
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> please, could I have some purrs?  (Virtual hugs wouldn't be at all
> amiss, either.)

Youare stressed and your body is taking a pounding because of it. it doenst'
matter what form the stressors take, if you are stressed, you are stressed
and have every right to ask for support and some luvvins :-). So here's some
purrs, and some hugs, and even a shoulder rub.

{{{{{Monique}}}}}

I"m glad at least you managed to articulate what it was that was bothering
you - you have so much on your plate no, no *wonder* you are stressed out. I
hope that the realisation that youre stressed and have good reason to be
makes the recovery easier.

> Oscar did make a point last night of lying down on my belly and
> purring, which does seem to relieve the pain.  I just wish she hadn't
> decided to *jump* and land hard on my belly before settling down to do
> so!

Awww, what a loving kitty (even if she's not so delicate!)

Yowie
Monique Y. Mudama - 07 May 2006 00:40 GMT
> Youare stressed and your body is taking a pounding because of it. it
> doenst' matter what form the stressors take, if you are stressed,
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>
> {{{{{Monique}}}}}

Thank you very much!

> I"m glad at least you managed to articulate what it was that was
> bothering you - you have so much on your plate no, no *wonder* you
> are stressed out. I hope that the realisation that youre stressed
> and have good reason to be makes the recovery easier.

It worries me that I'm not conscious of my stressors -- I can sit down
and say, this is going on, and that is going on, and the other is
going on, but until talking to my MT I never had an emotional reaction
to all of that.  I just didn't realize it was bothering me.
Apparently my body did, though!

>> Oscar did make a point last night of lying down on my belly and
>> purring, which does seem to relieve the pain.  I just wish she
>> hadn't decided to *jump* and land hard on my belly before settling
>> down to do so!
>
> Awww, what a loving kitty (even if she's not so delicate!)

She really is great for belly pain (and usually doesn't jump on me
when I hurt!).

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Flippy - 07 May 2006 01:30 GMT
Dear Monique,

Please contact me privately - I may be able to help regarding the IBS.

Purrs,
Flippy in Melbourne, Australia.
Email: flippy AT flippyscatpage DOT com
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> My IBS (or whatever it is) continues unabated.  If anything, it's
> getting worse.  I feel like I've had a stomach ache for over a month
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> decided to *jump* and land hard on my belly before settling down to do
> so!
badwilson - 07 May 2006 03:02 GMT
Ugh, that does sound like a lot of stress all at once.  If I was in your
situation, I'm sure my psoriasis would be flaring up and I'd be all
flakey under my chin.
Many purrs and hugs coming up.   I hope that at least the job situations
will be resolved soon and the visit with your mom turns out to be much
better than you imagine.  And that you find out what's causing the
stomach aches.
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> My IBS (or whatever it is) continues unabated.  If anything, it's
> getting worse.  I feel like I've had a stomach ache for over a month
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> decided to *jump* and land hard on my belly before settling down to do
> so!
Monique Y. Mudama - 07 May 2006 04:49 GMT
> Ugh, that does sound like a lot of stress all at once.  If I was in your
> situation, I'm sure my psoriasis would be flaring up and I'd be all
> flakey under my chin.

I guess I'm lucky, come to think of it, that at least I don't have
mini-hives.  That's what I used to get in college when I was stressed,
in addition to only eating biscuits because everything else upset my
tummy (hrmm, I guess I should've seen this coming a while ago, huh?).

> Many purrs and hugs coming up.   I hope that at least the job situations
> will be resolved soon and the visit with your mom turns out to be much
> better than you imagine.  And that you find out what's causing the
> stomach aches.

Thank you.  I hope so, too.

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badwilson - 07 May 2006 08:14 GMT
>> Ugh, that does sound like a lot of stress all at once.  If I was in
>> your situation, I'm sure my psoriasis would be flaring up and I'd be
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> in addition to only eating biscuits because everything else upset my
> tummy (hrmm, I guess I should've seen this coming a while ago, huh?).

I've battled Psoriasis in times of stress all my life.  It must be
genetic because my dad used to get it too when he had a stressful job in
Germany.  It went away for him when we moved to Canada.
Mine started in college and it was in my hairline, on the sides of my
nose and in my eyebrows.  After college it went away for many years but
came back a bit when I was working for Minolta, except this time is was
only in my hairline.
When we moved to Thailand it went away totally, until the last 6 months
when we've been dealing with preparing for this move to Australia.  This
time it had moved to under my chin.  But now that I'm over here and
everything went so smoothly, it's gone away again, hopefully never to
return!  Although I'm sure I'll have plenty of stress when we start
building our house...
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Monique Y. Mudama - 08 May 2006 03:10 GMT
> I've battled Psoriasis in times of stress all my life.  It must be
> genetic because my dad used to get it too when he had a stressful job in
> Germany.  It went away for him when we moved to Canada.

I know that my dad has reported that his stress always goes to his
stomach, although I don't think it's ever been as severe as what I've
had recently.

> Mine started in college and it was in my hairline, on the sides of my
> nose and in my eyebrows.  After college it went away for many years but
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> return!  Although I'm sure I'll have plenty of stress when we start
> building our house...

I imagine that's terribly itchy.  And no one likes having "stuff" on
their face!  I'm glad it's subsided.  I'm trying to learn just not to
stress about things in the first place, but I think it's a slow
process.

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badwilson - 08 May 2006 03:38 GMT
>> I've battled Psoriasis in times of stress all my life.  It must be
>> genetic because my dad used to get it too when he had a stressful
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> stomach, although I don't think it's ever been as severe as what I've
> had recently.

Yes, I'm sure that the way we deal with stress runs in families.

>> Mine started in college and it was in my hairline, on the sides of my
>> nose and in my eyebrows.  After college it went away for many years
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> stress about things in the first place, but I think it's a slow
> process.

It was a bit itchy, but the worst part is the scaly, flaky skin.
I hope you get a handle on your stress.  I can't give any good advice
here because I'm bad at it too.  Mostly because I'm in denial about
having any stress in the first place!
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Monique Y. Mudama - 09 May 2006 04:04 GMT
> It was a bit itchy, but the worst part is the scaly, flaky skin.  I
> hope you get a handle on your stress.  I can't give any good advice
> here because I'm bad at it too.  Mostly because I'm in denial about
> having any stress in the first place!

My belly still isn't happy, but I think I'm doing better with the
restricted diet (or maybe I just think I am.  Hard to say.  I'm
definitely not back to normal, that's for sure).

DH got great tickets to the Avs (ice hockey playoff game), but given
the state of things, I decided I would rather stay home than drive an
hour in each direction and be at a stadium when I might feel an urgent
need to visit a restroom.  I'm a bit sad about that -- seeing the game
would be okay, but spending dedicated time with DH would have been
really great.

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badwilson - 09 May 2006 05:15 GMT
>> It was a bit itchy, but the worst part is the scaly, flaky skin.  I
>> hope you get a handle on your stress.  I can't give any good advice
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> restricted diet (or maybe I just think I am.  Hard to say.  I'm
> definitely not back to normal, that's for sure).

I guess you could just experiment cutting out this and then that to see
if you can narrow it down, then add the things back in that don't seem
to make it any worse.  I hope you figure it out and that it turns out to
be something easily avoided.

> DH got great tickets to the Avs (ice hockey playoff game), but given
> the state of things, I decided I would rather stay home than drive an
> hour in each direction and be at a stadium when I might feel an urgent
> need to visit a restroom.  I'm a bit sad about that -- seeing the game
> would be okay, but spending dedicated time with DH would have been
> really great.

That really sucks you aren't going :-(  It must be really bad for you to
give it a miss.  I used to love going to hockey games in Vancouver,
Dennis used to get free tickets from work sometimes.  Even though the
Canucks always sucked anyway.  Heard they've been doing a bit better
lately but really haven't followed it in 5 years.
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W. Leong - 09 May 2006 05:33 GMT
> That really sucks you aren't going :-(  It must be really bad for you to
> give it a miss.  I used to love going to hockey games in Vancouver, Dennis
> used to get free tickets from work sometimes.  Even though the Canucks
> always sucked anyway.  Heard they've been doing a bit better lately but
> really haven't followed it in 5 years.

The Canucks didn't make it to the playoff this year and their  head coach
was
fired. Same thing for the Maple Leafs. The Habs was eliminated in the
first round of playoff by Carolina.
The Oilers and the Sens are the only Canadian teams
left in the playoff. The Sens lost 2 games to the Buffalo already. The
Oilers
are playing the second games against San Jose right now.
There, you are all up to date.

Winnie
badwilson - 09 May 2006 07:24 GMT
>> That really sucks you aren't going :-(  It must be really bad for
>> you to give it a miss.  I used to love going to hockey games in
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>
> Winnie

Wow, thanks Winnie :-)
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Monique Y. Mudama - 09 May 2006 17:59 GMT
> I guess you could just experiment cutting out this and then that to
> see if you can narrow it down, then add the things back in that
> don't seem to make it any worse.  I hope you figure it out and that
> it turns out to be something easily avoided.

That's pretty much what I *am* doing.  I guess it's too much to hope
that I'd see an effect after two days of it.

>> DH got great tickets to the Avs (ice hockey playoff game), but
>> given the state of things, I decided I would rather stay home than
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> Even though the Canucks always sucked anyway.  Heard they've been
> doing a bit better lately but really haven't followed it in 5 years.

Honestly, it's not too bad.  DH's friend will enjoy it much more than
I would.  But I would have enjoyed spending all that time with DH.

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W. Leong - 09 May 2006 05:28 GMT
> DH got great tickets to the Avs (ice hockey playoff game), but given
> the state of things, I decided I would rather stay home than drive an
> hour in each direction and be at a stadium when I might feel an urgent
> need to visit a restroom.  I'm a bit sad about that -- seeing the game
> would be okay, but spending dedicated time with DH would have been
> really great.

Sorry to hear you didn't get to go to the Avs game with your DH.

I  listened to the Ottawa Sens playoff game on the radio tonight
Wish I have ticket to go watch the game at the vault (Scotiabank Place). It
is not
that far from home. I have never watched an NHL game live.
Well maybe not tonight, the Sens lost again to Buffalo!

Winnie
Monique Y. Mudama - 09 May 2006 17:53 GMT
>> DH got great tickets to the Avs (ice hockey playoff game), but
>> given the state of things, I decided I would rather stay home than
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>
> Sorry to hear you didn't get to go to the Avs game with your DH.

The game's actually tonight, but DH did find a friend to go with.

> I  listened to the Ottawa Sens playoff game on the radio tonight
> Wish I have ticket to go watch the game at the vault (Scotiabank
> Place). It is not that far from home. I have never watched an NHL
> game live.  Well maybe not tonight, the Sens lost again to Buffalo!

I've seen a few games live.  I like watching the hockey (especially
since I played for a few seasons), but I hate the fighting and the way
the crowd cheers the fighting, and badmouths the opposing team.  So in
a lot of ways, watching it on TV is better for me.

Honestly, I'm looking forward to a quiet night of reading tonight.  DH
would watch TV 24/7, with both TVs going in different rooms, if he had
his way.  I hate having the TV on all the time; it's not at all
relaxing to me, and makes it harder for me to immerse myself in a
book.  We're probably compromising well, in that he thinks he hardly
gets to watch TV and I think there's hardly ever a quiet moment =P

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W. Leong - 09 May 2006 18:28 GMT
> The game's actually tonight, but DH did find a friend to go with.

Oh yes, right! The Avs is trailing 2-0 in this second ruond. It may get ugly
at the game. There were some injuries at last night Sen's ga,e/

> I've seen a few games live.  I like watching the hockey (especially
> since I played for a few seasons), but I hate the fighting and the way
> the crowd cheers the fighting, and badmouths the opposing team.  So in
> a lot of ways, watching it on TV is better for me.

I was very nervous for the Sens, so I didn't even watch it on TV.
Besides, the TV commentators are not very good. They seem to cheer
for the other teams.  Ottawa, being the capital, has its draw back.
People who don't like the government may extend over to anything associated
with Ottawa, like our hockey team..
I listened on the radio instead so I can do other things at the same time,
like read rpca posts.

> Honestly, I'm looking forward to a quiet night of reading tonight.  DH
> would w