I've used this method for Caliban, and he has almost stopped biting. All
he does now is snatch at me sometimes, but he doesn't bite down like he
used to. I also managed to teach him not to use his claws when he bats
at me. Some people say you shouldn't play with cats with your hands, but
I've found that they learn not to scratch if you show them clearly that
it hurts, i.e. squeal loudly every time a claw hits you and stop playing
immediately. Caliban only uses 'soft paws' now when we play.

HOWEDY cheryl,

It was "DETAILED VETERINARY ADVICE" which CAUSED the problem.

INDEED?

Oh, well THAT'S on accHOWET of your 'VETERINARY
ADVICE advice and THINKIN abHOWET TRAININ':

   Punish Dogs Children SP-HOWESES With PRAISE, Unconditional
             LOVE, TRUST, And RESPECT <{) ; -  )   >

Subject: Dr. George VonHilshimer Writes:

          "No Loving, No Learning."

From: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@EarthLink.Net>
To: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 4:40 AM
Subject: Fw: Counter Cruising must stop

Dr. Von writes:

Jerry, I don't know where you find these folk who can't read.

This is not negative reinforcement.  Negative means no.

Positive reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
reward emitted immediately by trainer;

Negative reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
no response by trainer;

Aversive reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
aversive stimuli emitted immediately by trainer;

The term "reinforcement is used only tentatively with
"aversion" because aversive stimuli (aka punishment)
typically derange learning and are not followed by clean
learning curves equivalent to those which follow reward
or positive reinforcement;

Escape conditioning = dog has an aversive stimulus
applied without any dog related reason and when
behavior is emitted aversive stim is immediately
turned off .

There is some indication that Escape Conditioning
works in a manner closely approximating reward;
but, ear pinch? --  too aversive.

I remind you that you should beat them over the head
with "The Misbehavior of Organisms" by Breland and
Breland, published in B.F. Skinner's CUMULATIVE
RECORD.  Ignored by most profs of psychology, but
the distillation of his work.

NO PUNISHMENT.

Must pay attention to who is the animal?

His evolution, his development, and his personal history -
cannot train without respect for who is the dog?  So says
the BIG TIME operant conditioning guru - and you can also
refer back to MARY COVER JONES (mother of scientific
systematic psychology), no loving, no learning.

I suppose I could wire up  a dog so that his brain was
badly interrupted and the loving method of puppy training
might not work well - but it would still work better than the
methods used by dominatrix and their ilk.

Lovingly applied ethological techniques like the one
espoused by the Wizard of ALL puppies work for all
dogs, for that matter for all mammals higher than cat.

Indeed, they will work for cats if trainer is warmly competent.

You can see this in Key West on any sunny day.
Housecats performing quite happily.

Fondly, Dr. Von

-------------------

THAT'S INSANE:

"Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVER LEARNING THEORY
model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT. Of curse,
Skinner has never to my knowledge, demonstrated
HOWE we escape the phenomenon that an expected
reward not received is experienced as a punishment
and can produce extensive and persistent aggression
(Azrin et al, 1966)."

"The IMBECILITY of some of the claims for operant
technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al
(1966) report a standard contingent reward/punishment
procedure developing imitative speech in two severly
disturbed non verbal schizophrenic boys. After twenty-
six days the boys are reported to have been learning
new words with alacrity. HOWEver, when REWARDS were
moved to a delayed contingency the behavoir and learning
immediately deteriorated."

That'll make the kat MORE AGGRESSIVE and maybe
CAUSE IT TO ATTACK the "human" who's intimidating IT <{) ; ~ ) >

Perhaps you should take kat as a second language classes (K.A.S.L.)?

Perhaps THAT'S on accHOWENT of she can't go LIKE THIS:
                       _                         _
                       |_|                       |_|
                       | |         /^^^\         | |
                      _| |_      (| "o" |)      _| |_
                    _| | | | _    (_---_)    _ | | | |_
                   | | | | |' |    _| |_    | `| | | | |
                   |          |   /     \   |          |
                    \        /  / /(. .)\ \  \        /
                      \    /  / /  | . |  \ \  \    /
                        \  \/ /    ||Y||    \ \/  /
                         \__/      || ||      \__/
                                   () ()
                                   || ||
                                  ooO Ooo

Perhaps you should try doin EVERYTHING EXXXACTLY procisely opposite?

That's sheer idiocy. Kats thrive in colonies.

HERE'S HOWE COME:

 "Some people hiss at their cats if they misbehave,
 but I don't think I hiss in the right accent;"

                "ANY Behavior Problem That's
               REPRESSED, IGNORED or AVOIDED
                   Will ONLY GET WORSE Or CHANGE
                         To Other,
               Seemingly Non Related Behaviors
             As ANXXXIHOWESNESS RELIEF MECHANISMS
                   Or TRAINsfer behaviors".

Yeah. Human Vs Animal Fear Aggression Fighting
And Human Vs Animal Terrortorial Competition <{) ; ~ ) >

That's sheer idiocy.

INDEED? YOU GOT ANY SUCCESS STORIES TO SHARE?

From: The Annals Of Human_And_Animal_Behavior_
            Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory

Subject:       Re: Fighting Cats - New behavior

HOWEDY D. Kirkpatrick,

WELCOME To The Freakin Simply Amazing Pussyy Wizard's 100%
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                   As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
                 As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES;
            As A Mass Murderer Is A Mass Murderer.

                ALL Critters Only Respond In
             PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
                 INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
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              We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
                 And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.

ALL Temperament And Behavior Problems Are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING

       "If you talk with the animals, they will talk with you
                  and you will know each other.
        If you do not talk to them, you will not know them,
               and what you do not know you will fear.

                  What one fears, one destroys."
                     Chief Dan George

Kirkpatrick wrote:

Surgical sexual mutilation for non medical reasons
is inapupriate cruel unnecessary inhumane veterinary
malpractice which shortens the victims lifespan and
causes chronic deathly iatrogenic DIS-EASES and profits
ONLY the veterinary malpracticioner <{): ~ ( >

AllHOWEing your kat to roam the neighborhood is as
inconsiderate, dangerHOWES and irresponsible as doin
likeWIZE with dogs and children <{): ~ ( >

Of curse.

Parental abuse is learned from abusive parents, both
animal and human, it's ALL the same same <{): ~ ( >

INDEED? So, you're postin today to share your SUCCESS?

That so? Well then, there's no need to continue. CONGRADULATIONS!

That was kindly of you.

The Freakin Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard does NOT approve
of allHOWEING critters to roam the neighborhood. If you
have a yard you can TRAIN your kats not to leave the
perimeter JUST LIKE HOWE we can perimeter train dogs
NEARLY INSTANTLY witHOWET HURTIN or INTIMIDATIN them:

From: Momi...@webtv.net (misty)
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:29:09 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: Jerry, why non-physical praise?

Beth wrote:

Never had a chance to try them on her... I was still
using the e-fence and chains to keep her in the yard.

The suggestions I received here to keep Peach home were:
build a fence... wasn't going to happen.. we plan on
putting a modular home here within the next few years...
put more fence at the top of the pen I used so both dogs
could play bitey face w/o tangling, and similar suggestions.

Jerry was the only one to mention border training... but he
was kook supreme ;-P  So I ignored him... no killfiles with
webtv..  at that time Jerry had his own troll, somewhat like
Candace, so the group was not very conducive to learning anything.

At one point I even b*tched about Jerry.

By the time I tried out Jerry's manual Peach had already
ran away.

Not very good at the google groups search but you'll find my
first post at "runaway dog message 30"  within that thread
is mention of the dogs taking off and being gone for 2 days.
I stopped posting for a bit... my middle boy was devastated
that his dog was gone... Zelda came home but not her mom.

The next few posts from me were ones about/to Jerry.

Then Jerry made the WETM accessible for webbes,  I put it
in my e-mail (no storage otherwise on webby unless you put
stuff on a webpage) and read it, read it and read it.

Once I understood what the concept was, I implemented it
on Zelda.  It worked and I now have a great housedog!

I only regret that my own distrust of Jerry caused me to
lose another wonderful dog. Peach was an absolute gem with
little kids.  I and my boys still miss her.  Sometimes I
still look to see if she came home when we get back from trips.

Maybe Peach would still have ran away... I don't know
and never will....

~misty

                    ---------------

From: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net>
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:16:59 -0500
Subject: Re: Jerry, why non-physical praise?

Peach would be there sittin pretty had our pals not given
you a bum steer cause they're EMBARRASSED and AFRAID of
losing their careers and reputations....

Stick around, we're just startin to have FUN learning and
sharing...J;~)
                           ---------------

"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net wrote in message news

I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she's
not here with us. I really can't blame anyone here for her
loss.

I'm the one who ignored your advice. I did it because of
how you write/wrote. I was unwilling to accept the idea
that my using a shock collar could have any bearing on
Peach not wanting to stay home.

Up until I started using it my main concern had been
keeping my dogs in their own yard.

Once I started using the e-fence... well, then my concern
became how to keep them from running off for days on end.

I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the
anti-shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.

I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g>
A Wits End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained,
doesn't chew up stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all
the time.

IOW a great companion and friend.

Thanks Jerry!

                ---------------

misty" <Momi...@webtv.net> wrote in message

We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. Two
dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no collars.

Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to come
back in the yard and would run for days.

The last time, Peach didn't come back home.

I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how to train
my dog. She is now border trained.  A few minutes each day
reinforces her desire to stay in the yard.

She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her from
chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we walk around
the yard.

I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the
e-fence and its collars.  If you can't get a regular fence
then you need to train your dog.

I will never rely on an electronic collar to keep my dog
in our yard again.

The price was too high:-( ~misty

             --------------------------------

"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net> wrote in message

Hi Cathy!

Yes I used The Wits End Method to train my girl, Zelda.
You can check the archives and see I'm a real person..

I post in misc.kids.breastfeeding, alt.cats rec.pets.cats.annecdotes
(not lately, my kitty died) rec.pets.dogs.behavior rec.pets.birds and
a ton of webtv firewalled ngs.

Zelda and her mom, Peach (RB) both loved to run the
neighborhood with my neighbors 2 male dogs.  An e-fence
couldn't keep them home, chains pulled up and Peach could
jump/climb a 5 ft. fence.

I wrote in here for advice and felt like Jerry had jumped
down my throat.  Upon re-reading his post to me..well..it
hit home hard that I was being abusive to my dog.

The thought of shocking my dog ever again makes me
want to puke.

Like I've said before... I might not like the way Jerry
treats some of the other posters but he gave me ( for _free_)
a way to teach myself and my dog.

I can let Zelda outside and not worry that a potty break
will mean she'll be gone for 2 days or, worse yet, not ever
come home...like her mom.

Zelda stopped chewing everything in sight once I started
applying Jerry's methods.  One time of "bad slipper!" and
she never chewed another one up :-D

I don't post here a lot because I don't ave any problems
needing solved. I do join in occasionally or post informative
lnks.  I just feel that my limited experience precludes me
from jumping in every thread <shrug> but I do read all of them.

If you want my phone number, e-mail me.  We would have to
set up a time because I'm on the webbie a lot and we only
have 1 phone line.

~misty

              -------------

"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net> wrote in message

You can check Google for my posting history... here,
breeds, cats, kids and birds... and I have a dog who
doesn't : chew inappropriate items , jump on people,
counter-surf, be aggressive, bark too much, get in
the garbage no matter what yummy morsel is waiting,
can be left overnight in the house w/o pottying or
any of the above... no, she has no titles other than
beloved pet.. but that is enough for me.

Yes, some dogs are just good dogs but... Zelda used
to destroy stuff..kids toys, stuffed animals, shoes,
and even my pillow.  She would pee in the house.
She would go on barking jags because the neighbor's
dogs were barking.

Byusing Jerry's manual I worked things out... I got
rid of the crate and put the kibosh on plans of getting
another shock collar (for e-fence) and had a plan to
follow which trained Zelda to stay in her yard and not
go roaming with her buddies.

Zelda came ito my life as a 3-4 month old pup who
lived outside, ran free and had never been inside.

We adopted her and then her mom, spayed both and
tried to cope with one dog who refused to stay home...
jumped fences, broke chains and finally chewed off
collar to be able to go go go.

Peach didn't come back the last time.

Zelda started out running off with her mm and
her buddies.. she continued to do so until I
did the step by step plan Jerry's manual outlines.

She stays home... she doesn't chew up stuff
and she is 1000% housebroken.

Again.. Jerry might be "crazy" but his
methods work and they are free...

~misty
                            ----------

That's absurd. You can TRAIN your kats to
share an share alike <{): ~ ) >

Kats are communal critters <{); ~ ) >

You mean you ran HOWETA LUCK?

Naaah? DO TELL??? Ever hear the sayin "sh.t rolls DHOWEN HEEL"?

Well, it likeWIZE rolls UP HEEL when the REPRESSED
individual gets his fill of bein ABUSED <{): ~ ) >

                         ANY Behavior
                 That's CONSISTENT, PREDICTABLE
                         Or REPEATABLE,
                  Is EZ To MODIFY EXXXTINGUISH
                     Or Put On CUE (Train)
                        NEARLY INSTANTLY
            If You Understand EFFECTIVE NON PHYSICAL
                    SCIENTIFIC And PSYCHOLOGICAL
             Pavlovian and Ericksonian CONDITIONING,
             i.e., Simply Doin eVERY THING EXXXACTLY,
            PRECISELY, OPPOSITE of HOWE We Been Taught
      By Professional Dog Trainers And University Behaviorists
                          <{); ~ ) >

You've allHOWED the baby to be ABUSED by his abusive mom
who LEARNED HOWE to be an abuser by EITHER her own mom or
her former human abusers <{): ~ ( >

The Freakin Simply Amazing Pussy Wizard DOES NOT condemn
YOU for not knowin HOWE to deal with your kat's temperament
and behavior problems, HE holds accHOWENTABLE the Gang Of
Miserable Lyin Animal Abusing Punk Thug Cowards And Active
Acute Chronic Long Term Incurable Mental Cases who've mis-
advised you RIGHT HERE to hurt and intimdiate your kats.

You mean you punished and intimidated them for fighting.

Well then, today is Tuesday. By this comin Saturday
you'll have had three days of peace behind you IF
you study and follow the PRECISE INSTRUCTIONS in
your own FREE COPY of The Freakin Simply Amazing
Pussy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual <{); ~ ) >

ALL aggression is FEAR. ALL FEAR is CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.

Dogs have a 5th year developmental stage according to the
highly regarded research of Scott & Fuller. Presumably
kats do likeWIZE <{): ~ ) >

You mean she wasn't AS AFRAID.

          The Freakin Simply Amazing Pussy Wizard SEZ:

                "ANY Behavior Problem That's
               REPRESSED, IGNORED or AVOIDED
                   Will ONLY GET WORSE Or CHANGE
                         To Other,
               Seemingly Non Related Behaviors
             As ANXXXIHOWESNESS RELIEF MECHANISMS
                   Or TRAINsfer behaviors".

That's ABSURD. ALL AGGRESSION IS FEAR. ALL FEAR IS CAUSED
BY MISHANDLING as taught by the pet professionals who PROFIT
from hurtin intimidating bribing crating and mutilating
innocent defenseless dumb critters <{): ~ ( >

Naaaa? Hey? AIN'T THAT the OBJECTIVE to FIGHTING?

No. She was the most AFRAID.

You mean SECURE in that she could BEAT HER BABIES
when they SCARED or INTIMIDATED her <{): ~ ( >

JUST LIKE ABUSED HUMAN CHILDREN DO TO THEIR ABUSERS.

Separating them will INCREASE moms FEAR and will
INCREASE the babys AGGRESSION <{): ~ ( >

That's intolerable. You'll have to DO EVERYTHING
EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE of HOWE you been.

Naaah?

SHAAAZZZAAAAMMM???

You can EXXXTINGUISH ALL those SYMPTOMS NEARLY
INSTANTLY by simply STUDYING your own FREE COPY
of The Freakin Simply Amazing Pussy Wizard's 100%
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Wits' End Human And Animal Training Method Manual.

That'd be CRUEL INHUMANE and IGNORAMEHOWES <{):~ ( >

         "Only the unenlightened speak of wisdom and right action
                       as separate, not the wise.

             If any man knows one, he enjoys the fruit of both.

                  The level which is reached by wisdom
                             is attained
                      through right action as well.

          He who perceives that the two are one knows the truth."

           "Even the wise man acts in character with his nature,
           indeed all creatures act according to their natures.

                   What is the use of compulsion then?

                  The love and hate which are aroused
               by the objects of sense arise from Nature,
                         do not yield to them.
                     They only obstruct the path," -
                     - Bhagavad Gita, adapted by
                     Krishna with permission from
                     His FREE copy of The Puppy
                     Wizard's FREE Wits' End Dog
                     Training Method manual <{) ; ~  )   >

       "It is by muteness that a dog becomes
            so utterly beyond value."

           Like a confessor Priest?

    "With him, words play no torturing tricks..., "
              --John Galsworthy.

       Don't bet your dog won't tell on you...
             Their behaviors reflect
      our words, actions and training quirks.
    Jerry HOWE, The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~  )  >

Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At
UofOH Oxford, That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive
Dogs Can Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC.
Tender Loving Care Is At The Root Of The Scientific
Management Of Doggys.  <{) ; ~ ) >

"all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests
itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual
change of these three fundamental processes --
excitation, inhibition and disinhibition,"  Ivan P. Pavlov

"Postitive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement. IOW,
emotions, not outside rewards, are what
reinforces any behavior," Ivan Pavlov.

"All animals learn best through play." -- Konrad Lorenz

"It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in
deviant behavior of children can be achieved
through brief, simple educative routines with
their mothers which modify the mother's social
behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966). Some
clinics have reported ELIMINATION ofthe need for
child THERAPY through changing the clinical emphasis
from clinical to parental HANDLING of the child
(Szrynski 1965).

A large number of cases improved sufficiently after
preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment
of children was required, and almost ALL cases
SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy.
Quite severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been
treated in own to five months by simply REPLACING
the parents temporarily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING
SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)."

Let's get sumpthin straight, D. Kirkpatrick:

DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE abHOWETS <{):~ ( >

You're askin LIARS ANIMAL ABUSERS COWARDS and ACTIVE
ACUTE CHRONIC LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES for
advice for THE SAME PROBLEMS their own critters got
that THEY CAN'T TRAIN.

Then PROVE IT by DOIN YOUR WORK.

You can train them to play apupriately.

That's IRRELEVENT.

You AIN'T gonna get no doGdameneD advice from these
mental cases OTHER THAN to HURT and INTIMIDATE you kats.

Well then, FORGET EVERYTHING you think you've learned.
The animal behaviorists have likeWIZE learned through
observations which THEY likeWIZE DID NOT UNDERSTANT.

If you allHOWE this to continue your kats are subject
to CHRONIC DIS-EASE and DEATH from STRESS INDUCED AUTO-
IMMUNE DIS-EASES aka The Pussy Wizard's Syndrome <{): ~ ( >

You're welcome.

Here's a similar CASE HISTORY:

                    INTIMIDATION And MURDER
      On The Freakin Simply Amazing Pussy Wizard's EXXXPRESS

HOWEDY People,

Here's self serving state of the art conniving at it's beast
when self proclaimed animal lovers *(particularly PARENTS)
PERFER to MURDER their fear aggressive critters:

From: Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory

Subject: Random Attacks from the cat

From:        Vahehoo
Date:        Tues, Feb 28 2006 1:28 pm
Email:         "Vahehoo" <vahe...@gmail.com>
Groups:     rec.pets.cats.health+behav

Hello,

Thanks everyone for their replies, advices and kind words.
Also I am really weird out by TheAmazingPussyWiz trying to
sell me something by making me feel guilty and stupid at
the same time.

Way to go TheAmazingPussyWiz !

Unfortunately, I had to put the cat to sleep. Her blood
work came back normal and so the only option that vet
was offering was Prozac. No guarantees were made with that.

Thinking objectively we would not have been able to trust
her again...Locking her in a room every time we decide to
walk around or when other people (including children) are
present is not an option either.

Drugging the animal to unconsciousness is cruel and giving
her away or setting free somewhere far is not fare to the
people and animals that would encounter her.

So holding down the feelings below the rationality I made
the decision to humanly let her go...

Truly this was one of the hardest decisions I had to make
in my 26 years of existence. It was really sad to tell them
to put her down like that...

I still miss my cat a lot.

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From: The Annals Of Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences Research
Laboratory

Subject:     Random Attacks from the cat

From:        The Amazing Pussy Wizard <{); ~ ) >
Date:        Wed, Feb 15 2006 2:56 pm

HOWEDY vahehoo,

It's too bad you've been subject to such PATHETIC advice
as you've received from the mental cases here and your
ill trained veterinarian.

This'll clear things up, but you'll FEAR and HATE The Amazing
Pussy Wizard and MURDER YOUR KAT instead and THAT'S NORMAL here
abHOWETS... instead of just FOLLOWIN THE INSTRUCTIONS in your
own FREE COPY of The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual and applying the EFFECTIVE SCIENTIFIC TECHNIQUES to your kat.

Just substitute the words kat child SP-HOWES parent ferrett
horse or WHATEVER for the words dog or puppy and YOU'LL GET
THE SAME 100% CONSISTENT NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS:

HOWEDY CRYINGANGEL1100000,

Subject: Opinions on training so many? Who is right?

cryingangel10...@gmail.com wrote:

Yeah. Professional dog trainers, veterinarians and university
trained behaviorists will do and say ANY THING to DEFEND their
alleged RIGHT to HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER innocent defenselsss
dumb critters.

WELCOME To The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Forums. I'm Jerry Howe, The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{) ; ~ )  >

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That's INSANE:
                      A DOG Is A Dog;
                    As A KAT Is A KAT;
                  As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;
                  As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
               As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES;
           As A Mass Murderer Is A Mass Murderer.

               ALL Critters Only Respond In
             PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
                INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
    To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
                 Which We Create For Them.

     The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of Behavior
                      Never Change,
              Or They'd Not Be Scientific
                  And Could Not Obtain
     Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Safe Effective Results
              For All Handler's And All Dogs,
              ALL OVER THE WHOLE WILD WORLD,
                    NEARLY INSTANTLY,
    As Taught In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard's
    FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual <{); ~ ) >

That AIN'T enough. What these EXXXPERTS think of as FAIR,
APUPRIATE, GENTLE, and KIND, treatment JUST LIKE they use
on their own children is INSANE ABUSE, not UNCONDITIONAL
LOVE TRUST and RESPECT:

     From: TooCool (larrym...@hotmail.com)
  The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method

I have studied canine behavior and dog training for
years. I have a huge library that covers every system
of training.

The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End Training
Method is by far the most scientific, the most advanced,
the kindest, the quickest and the most effective training
method yet discovered.

It is not an assortment of training tips and tricks; it is
a logically consistent system. Every behavior problem
and every obedience skill is treated in the same logically
consistent manner.

Please study his manual carefully. Please endeavor to
understand the basis of his system and please follow
his directions exactly. His manual is a masterpiece.
It is dense with theory, with explanation, with detailed
descriptions about why behavior problems occur and
how their solution should be approached.

One should not pick and choose from among his methods
based upon what you personally like or dislike. His is
not a bag of tricks but a complete and integrated system
for not only training a dog but for raising a loving companion.

When I once said to Jerry that his system creates for
you the dog of your dreams, his response was that it
produces for your dog the owner of his dreams.

You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are gentle
with your dog then he will be gentle with you, if you
praise your dog every time he looks at you, then you
will become the center of your dogs world, if you use
Jerry's sound distraction with praise, then it takes
just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train your
dog to not misbehave (even in your absence) (Just 15
seconds this morning to train my 10 week old puppy to
lie quietly and let me clip his nails).

Using Jerry's scientific method (sound distraction /
praise / alteration / variation) it takes just minutes to
train you dog to respond to your commands.

What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week old
puppy running as fast has his wobbly little legs would
carry him in response to my recall command-and he
comes running every time I call no matter where we are
or what he is doing.

At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains upon
his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold exercises and
his Family Pack Leadership exercises.

Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog, if you
scream at him, if you intimidate him, if you hurt him,
if you force him then his natural response is to oppose
you.

Is Jerry a nut?

It doesn't make any difference to me whether he is or not.
It is a logical fallacy to judge a person's ideas based
upon their personality. As far as dogs are concerned, Jerry
wears his heart upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply when
he hears of trainers forcing, intimidating, scolding or
hurting dogs.

More than that, he knows that force is not effective
and that it will certainly lead to behavior problems;
sometime problems so severe that people put their
dogs down because of those problems.

I believe that it is natural for humans to want to control
their dog by force. Jerry knows this too. We have all been
at our wits' end, haven't we?

Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In scientific
literature it is referred to allelomimetic behavior. Dogs
respond in like kind to force; they respond in like kind
to praise.

Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him what he
wants most-your kind attention. Give him your praise.
You will be astonished at how your dog 's anxiety will
dissipate and how their behavior problems will dissipate
along with their anxiety.

Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End
Training Method as a scientific principle just as you
would the law of gravity and you will have astounding
success.

Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity.

If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a sweet
little Magwai; if you don't you will surely get a little
gremlin (anyone see The Gremlins?). --Larry

      Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
          We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
              And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.

           You GET The Critter You TRAINED

        In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
                FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
                SAME SAME SAME SAME,
       For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.

       "It is by muteness that a dog becomes
            so utterly beyond value."

             Like a confessor Priest?

    "With him, words play no torturing tricks..., "
                --John Galsworthy.

      Don't bet your dog won't tell on you...
              Their behaviors reflect
     HOWER words, actions and training quirks.
     Jerry HOWE, The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~  )  >

The MENTAL CASES you're talkin to SAY THEY DO test those
same methods on themselves and SAY THEY DON'T HURT:

HOWEDY sinofabitch,

"sionnach" <rhyfe...@msn.com> wrote in message

news:2l0h1mF71cbaU1@uni-berlin.de...

his own words, seems steve is a MENTAL CASE.

Naaaaah. Shocking dogs doesn't HURT.

And probably much safer than jerking and choking
IT on a pronged spiked pinch choke collar and
CERTAINLY friendlier than just throwing IT to
the grHOWEND and climbing all over IT like a
goddamend raped ape and grHOWELING into ITS
throat and biting IT on ITS ears and then
denyin it.

Of curse not. No MOORE than jerking and choking
your dog on a pronged spiked pinch choke collar
could TRAIN IT for you. THAT'S HOWE COME you
gotta SHOCK your dog to MOTIVATE IT to naturally
want to work.

Naah. The shock collar manufacturer's only CALL
IT a STATIC LIKE STIMULATION cause they're talkin
MEDICAL GRADE shocking, not sportsman's shockin,
MOORE like steevie's 5,000 V shock that knocked
him stupid. He was already mental, it seems.

But there could be. Then there's that dog that
got set afire. And all them other dogs who've
been BURNED when their shock collars malfunctioned.

Yeah. MOORE of a BUZZ.

You mean, a nick. MOORE like a tap.

Not if it's used pupperly, as MOTIVATION. You'll
learn all abHOWET that when you watch FRAUDrecks
videos of Maddy workin withHOWET her shock collar.
He got the same results you'd get if you took your
shock collar off your little dog and gave her a
chance at freedom.

Well, perhaps that's cause you're a sexual Sadist
like your pals susan fraser, laura arlov and Ms.
shirly chong. Or perhaps your anti psychotic
medications are deadening your senses, as they
tend to do.

Right. That's HOWE COME you're gonna demonstrate
the dual tuned shock collar challenge to PROVE
they're safe and humane.

Like this:

"J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20040324071828.07753.00000001@mb-m18.aol.com...

                  ---------

As a matter of fact.

Good. Then you'll be eager to wear a shock collar
tuned to the same as the dog is wearin and you can
demonstrate breakin dog fighting using your dual
tuned shock collars to keep us from LYIN abHOWET
what you do to your dogs.

"sionnach" <rhyfe...@msn.com> wrote in message

news:c3qi15$2biuoh$1@ID-45033.news.uni-berlin.de...

An INSENSITIVE DOG???

"I'd call the SHOCK fence effective and safe.
Humane is one of those hot words that people
can debate all day so I won't touch that one.
There are people who would call a regular chain
link fence inhumane," liea altshuller.

--Lia

"Julia Altshuler" <jaltshu...@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:McYnb.45145$ao4.106231@attbi_s51...

After talking with the vet yesterday and watching
Cubbe all day today, I'm convinced that the shaking
is behavioral, not physical. Naturally I'll continue
keeping an eye on her, but when I add everything
up, I don't see symptoms of anything neurological--
and the vet agrees.

--Lia

"Things are beginning to get much worse day
by day and the vets seem unable to help.
http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorRufusMed.WMV
http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorRufusSmall.WMV"

THAT'S AN OCD. His owner CAUSED IT by
MISHANDLING and ABUSING his dog according
to the BEST advice of HOWER Gang Of Lying
Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards And ACTIVE
LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES and
ASYLUM ESCAPEES.

Jerking choking and shockin and lockin dogs
in boxes and ignoring their cries makes their
dogs go "EWWWW" but they don't NOTICE
EXXXCEPT to spray BINACA in their eyes
and jerk and choke them on pronged spiked
pinch choke collars and shock and spray MOORE
aversives in their faces.

Do you think the citronella collar is CRUEL cause
the SMELL LINGERS after the dog's been sprayed
in the face and the dog won't know HOWE COME
IT was MACED?

janet boss wrote:

They're DUMB ANIMALS these MENTALLY ILL
LYING DOG ABUSERS HURT and MURDER.

From: sionnach (rhyfe...@email.msn.com)
Subject: Re: Correct use of prong collar
Date: 2001-05-05 13:03:14 PST

 Um, may I suggest a re-wording that might make
 it  clearer- given that "scruff shake" is too easily
 misinterpreted as "pick the puppy up by the scruff
 of the neck and shake the puppy in the air"?

 I think I'd phrase it something like "if the puppy is very
 persistant, it  can be appropriate to take hold of the
 loose skin at the back of the neck and give a slight
 shake to the *skin*".

 Janet's not talking about actually shaking
 the puppy, which I think we ALL agree is
 abusive."

That's INSANE. Ain't it. So's this, here's professor of
ANAL-ytic behaviorISM research at UofWI marshall "SCRUFF
SHAKE and SCREAM "NO!" into ITS face for five seconds and
lock IT in a box for ten minutes contemplation" dermer:

"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************

When our dog was a puppy,  "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall
dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at
UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p.

BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!

That's INSANE. Ain't it.

sinofabitch writes:

"Neatly," and "Smartly."

"sinofabitch" instead of sionnach.

Here's Jerry's version

  "I Dropped The Leash, Threw My
   Right Arm  Over The Lab's Shoulder,
   Grabbed Her Opposite  Foot With My
   Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
   Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into
   Her Throat  And Said "GRRRR!" And
   Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sinofabitch.

Here's yours;

  "I dropped the leash, threw my
  right arm over the Lab's shoulder,
  grabbed her opposite foot with my
  left hand, rolled her on her side,
  leaned on her, said "GRRRR!" and
  nipped her ear.
  --Sara Sionnach

"The actual quote is misleading when taken
out of context, and Jerry's faked "quote"
is downright meaningless."

BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!

That's INSANE. Ain't it.

"When you get bagged for lying you're MARKED
FOR LIFE," The Puppy Wizard's DADDY.

BWEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!

Let's continue to a NEW thread in kats.health+behav:

Subject:    Re: Random Attacks from the cat

Vahehoo wrote:

INDEEDY. Seems MOST of the EXXXPERTS here abHOWETS have
MURDERED kats just like vahelhoo's got for the same reason.

The animal and child abusers here will BLAME aggression and any
other temperament and behavior problem on bein WEANED too young...

ALL aggression is FEAR. ALL FEAR is CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.

OF CURSE NOT! HOWER ANIMAL LOVERS NEVER HURT their critters...

He means INTIMIDATION.

To teach UNCONDITIONAL LOVE TRUST and RESPECT.

Of curse...

THAT'S a EXXXAMPLE of the results of UNCONDITONAL LOVE TRUST
and RESPECT and just tellin innocent defenseless dumb critters
"NO!" when they misbehave.

On accHOWENT of she LOVES and TRUSTS them UNCONDITIONALLY
on accHOWENT of she's been treated with NUTHIN but KINDNESS
and an occasional VERBAL INTIMIDATION when she misbehaved.

And THAT'S HOWE COME these MENTAL CASES got critters who piss
and sh.t in their HOWESES and destroy STUFF tryin to ESCAPE and
then MURDER their INNOCENT DEFENSELESS DUMB CRITTERS.

That's ABSURD.

Naaah?

BWEEEEEAAAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!

Naaaah???

Naaah?

ALL temperament and behavior problems are CAUSED BY MISHANDLNG
therefore CAN BE CURED NEARLY INSTANTLY simply by doin EVERY
THING EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE of HOWE we've been taught by
the EXXXPERTS touted by the DOG LOVERS here on The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANLTY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Forums <{): ~ ) >

          "Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
          reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVER LEARNING THEORY
          model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT. Of curse,
          Skinner has never to my knowledge, demonstrated
          how we escape the phenomenon that an expected
          reward not received is experienced as a punishment
          and can produce extensive and persistent aggression
          (Azrin et al, 1966)."

          "The IMBECILITY of some ofthe claims for operant
          technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al
          (1966) report a standard contingent reward/punishment
          procedure developing imitative speech in two severly
          disturbed non verbal schizophrenic boys. After twenty-
          six days the boys are reported to have been learning
          new words with alacrity. HOWEver, when REWARDS were
          moved to a delayed contingency the behavoir and learning
          immediately deteriorated."

       "...all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests
       itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual
       change of these three fundamental processes -- excitation,
       inhibition and disinhibition."  Ivan P. Pavlov

        "Postitive emotions arising in connection with the
        perfection of a skill, irrespective of its pragmatic
        significance at a given moment, serve as the reinforcement.
        IOW, emotions, not outside rewards, are what reinforces
        any behavior," Ivan Pavlov.

            Pavlov Told Us So 100 Years Ago. Sam Corson,
            Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At UofOH,
            That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can
            Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender
            Loving Care Is At The Root Of The Scientific
            Management Of Doggys  <{) ; ~ ) >

"Lovaas et al (1965) reported three programs carried
out on five year old autistic twins conditioining them
to "social behavior" and to eliminate pathologial
behaviors such as self-stimulation and tantrums.

Affectionate and other social behaviors toward
adults increaseed after adults had been associated
with shock reduction. The routine for this treatment
brings immediate relief to mind Sawrey and Wesz
(1956) routine for producing ulcers in monkeys.

I suppose it is USELESS to speculate on the source
of SO CALLED THERAPISTS willingness to experiment
on human beings with procedures for which there is
sound experimentally established WARNINGS.

If the "double blind" theory of the origin of
schizophrenia (Bateson, 1956) is at all valid,
HOWE DEVASTATING the experience must ULTIMATELY
BE. Do Lovaas et al REALLY BELIEVE the schizophrenic
has no cognitive processes and DOES NOT KNOW WHO IS
RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SHOCK? Greger (1965) criticized
this study on the basis that trainsfer CANNOT be
generalized.

That issue can be answered by experience, and,
of curse, the "social" behavior of these children
deteriorates as soon as the psychologists LOOSE
INTEREST.

The IMPORTANT ISSUE for a SCIENCE OF BEHAVIOR is why
not attempt those things which are KNOWN to WORK at
least in some cases if only for control puporses.

Kanner (1954) reports that 13 classically autistic
children improved enough to go to school without
"anything that is regarded as good psychotherapy
or as psychotherapy at all...

Autistic children have been known to become permenantely
social by deinstitutionalization, BY REMOVAL from the
parents, BY RADICAL CHANGES in other environments, and
by MASSIVE DOSAGE of TOUCHING, HOLDING, FONDLING LOVE
DESPITE THE REJECTION OF THE CHILD. My case, Larry,
(vonHilsheimer, 1965b), demonstrates a recovery by
using the mother as an autistic boy's teacher in an
open millieu. It is curiHOWES that the operant
technicians provide as few, and as UNIMAGINITAVE
controls for thier "research" as the Freudians."

       "If you talk with the animals, they will talk with you
                      and you will know each other.
        If you do not talk to them, you will not know them,
               and what you do not know you will fear.

                   What one fears, one destroys."
                         Chief Dan George

THAT'S INSANE:

"Psychiatry has yet to validate a single psychiatric condition /
diagnosis as an abornality/disease, or as anything 'neurological',
'biological', 'chemically imbalanced' or 'genetic'." Dr. Fred A.
Baughman, Neurologist.

'All professions are a conspiracy against the layman' - G.B.Shaw.

HOWER ANIMAL LOVERS COME HERE TO GET PERMISSION from other
ANIMAL LOVERS LIKE THEMESLVES TO MURDER THEIR INNOCENT
DEFENSELESS DUMB CRITTERS <{): ~ ( >

Well, perhaps he should just tell kitty "NO@" and MEAN IT.

And THAT'S HOWE COME PARENTS FEAR and HATE The Simpyl Amazing Puppy
Wizard even more than the PET PROFESSIONALS HE HAS IDENTIFIED EXXXPOSED
and DISCREDITED by QUOTING THEIR OWN WORKS.

THANK YOU FOR PLAYIN!

HOWEDY lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn,

java...@yahoo.com wrote:

From: "Jerry Howe" <j...@cfl.rr.com>
Date: 2000/06/18
Subject: Professor Dermer And Our Gang Of Thugs

Hello Professor,

O=2EK. doc, grab a ringside seat and have some cotton
candy to enjoy, while watching the death-defying high
wire act, performed without a safety net...

Let's have a go at it, shall we? I'm going to explain
a couple of things to you, that I'd kind of like you
to keep in mind, even though you probably won't
understand what it is that I'm saying. Otherwise, you'd
have understood by now. It would have been obvious to
you, had you read my manual.

Your words, doc: "Jerry, the Merchant of the Magic
Box, always considers 3)"

This con man is so smart, he's going to put himself out
of business by giving away free training information that
will obviate the need for his machine and cost him sales,
in many cases?

Good competition is good for business, so why not compete
with my own interests? I'd have a hard time finding a more
worthy adversary. The motivation for such a poor business
decision isn't sheer stupidity, doc, it is indeed, number
three.

As a simple, uneducated professional dog trainer, doc, I'm
very aware of the urgent need to bring harmony to dogs' and
their people's lives. I realize the need for people to improve
the quality of their and their dogs' lives, through learning
proper handling and training techniques.

Dogs' lives are at stake here, doc... As a professional dog
trainer, doc, I don't settle for second rate advice for my
dogs or my students. There is no excuse for anything less than
excellence in one's field, especially my fields of expertise...

1) effectiveness--does it work?

The methods in my manual, doc, are scientifically and
psychologically based. The techniques are precise, and
the results are repeatable consistently, on any dog,
even wolves.

The effects happen almost instantly, certainly within three or
four repetitions, if done correctly. Many other animals can be
handled the same way (my rats would come when called, and no,
I didn't use food bribes on them either), all you gotta do is
be bright enough, observant enough and be accurate in your timing
to use the tools properly.

A five year old child could do it, with a little help from mommy.

You'd have been able to learn a lot from reading my text, doc. You
would have learned by now (after wasting eighteen months), that the
Wits' End Dog Training Method has as much to do with family, as it
does with training dogs.

There is little difference between properly raising a child
and properly raising a dog. The ideology taught in the Wits'
End Dog Training Method manual applies to your kids, your
wife, and anybody important in your life. The concepts of
respect and consideration as taught in my manual, will have
significant inferences on the way we raise our children, work,
think, live, govern ourselves, and will positively impact our
society and eventually the entire world.

The Wits' End Method is not just a Howe to
manual, it was  written to make you THINK!

Think about what you are doing with your dogs, kid,
mates, employers,  employees, co-workers, neighbors,
government, and the entire world.

2) efficiency--does it work quickly and with minimal resources?

Even better than that, doc. It' FREE! And no other method
works as quickly and effortlessly. Why don't I just sit
down, write a book and send it out to an editor, and put
in some old photos, and sell it and get fat?

For one thing, doc, I don't need to get fat. My machine will
make me fatter than you could ever conceive of. The information
in my manual is unsurpassed, and cannot wait for me to polish it
up and do it up so you can say it looks pretty and reads like
Louisa May Alcott wrote it.

All the information is in there, it's solid and vital,
and timely...

3) relationship--does it strengthen or weaken the extent our
                   pet/friends will bond with us? [That's why we
                   try to almost always use positive reinforcement
                   rather than punishment.]

Number three, (of course?), needs no further explanation, doc,
cause you already agree that it is important. That's where you
are dead wrong, once again, doc. Just because you agree with
the point, does not mean you understand why it is important.

You still qualify "always use positive reinforcement," by
preceding it with "try to almost."  That's because of your
limited appreciation and tremendous misunderstanding of what
is really happening.

You are like a recalcitrant little child, doc. That's why I'm
here, and you're there.

----------------------

FERSTAICH?

We can do BOTH at the same time. Let's talk abHOWET
SAR trainin, seein as that's what the media is gonna
be MOORE interested in. What would you, lying "I LOVE
KOEHLER" lynn, say to Jessica Lundrens DADDY abHOWET
HOWE COME those SAR DOGS DIDN'T FIND HIS BABY PRYOR
TO HER GETTIN MURDERED JUST 300' from her HOWES where
she was CARRIED FROM ON FOOT, and KEPT ENCLOSED in
a SIEVE with AIR passin through like wind tunnel

THOSE DOGS DIDN'T WANT TO MAKE THEIR FINDS on acchOWENT
of as soon as they do it's BACK IN THE BOX and MOORE
ADVANCED TRAINING JUST LIKE HOWE YOU DONE YOUR OWN SAR
dog JIVE.

BWEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

No, they're the same same.

Oh? Where does CORRECTION equate LOVE? "Spare the rod,"
lyng "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn? Is THAT HOWE COME YOU HURT
INTIMDIATE and MURDER DOGS?

You mean, JERKING CHOKING SHOCKING and BRIBING
like HOWE you "TRAINED"your SAR dog JIVE?:

From: Lynn K. (java...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Free Feeding (Was Re: Repeating Commands)
Date: 2001-07-17 21:59:53 PST
dogstar...@aol.com (DogStar716) wrote in message

<news:20010717101836.26725.00004349@ng-mi1.aol.com>...

Not necessarily.  Remember that there is value added
to the treat by virtue of getting it from the handler
as a reward.

That's the reason I handfed Java for a week.

To add value to the food.

It isn't just another piece of kibble when it
comes from Mom as a reward.

Lynn K.

From: Lynn K. (java...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Kali gets her CDX!
Date: 2003-10-26 13:49:37 PST

"KrisHur" <kris_br...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

<news:vpnufuisi9pve2@corp.supernews.com>...> THANKS!

You deserve it!  You have my empathy on the heeling
problem.  2 of 29 qualified in Open A & B this morning
at Sacramento - ring fouled overnight by conformation
people exercising their dogs.

A Borzoi vomited on the spot, a Rottie peed on it, and
almost every other dog (including Java) dropped their
nose to the spot and started tracking.

ARRRGH!

Lynn K.

You mean food bribes and pain avoidance.

You AIN'T HUMAN, lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn, you're
a PATHOLOGICAL LIAR and dog abusing mental case accordin
to YOUR OWN POSTED CASE HISTORY.

BWEEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHAHAAA!!!

Parents got THE SAME PROBLEMS with their kids
as HOWER DOG LOVERS got with their dogs for
THE SAME SAME SAME SAME REASONS. YOU HURT
INTIMIDATE BRIBE FORCE AVOID IGNORE and MAKE
THEM INSANE, just like HOWE YOUR PARENTS RAISED
YOU to be a lying dog abusing mental case.

INBREEDING IS NOT PHYSICAL, IT'S SPIRITUAL.

You're BORN OF ABUSERS and YOU BECOME ABUSERS
on accHOWENT OF THAT'S WHAT YOU BEEN TAUGHT.
To do otherWIZE would be DISRESPECTFUL of
your MENTALLY ILL ABUSIVE PARENTS and would
EARN someMOORE PUNISHMENT. WOULDN'T IT.

Oh, kinda like HOWE your dogs retain their PUPPYHOOD FOREVER.

INDEEDY! THAT'S HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy Wizard
uses DOG STUDIES to PROVE what we been TAUGHT by
human psychologists is DEAD WRONG and the CAUSE of
ALL childhood delinquency and ADULT CRIMINAL /
PATHOLOGICAL BEHAVIORS: CITE Journal Of Psychology
Sep '97.

INDEED? Your dogs and children ARE DEPENDENT...
but NOT BELOVED or YOU WOULDN'T HURT INTIMIDATE
and MURDER THEM. Would you.

You mean, being held RESPONSIBLE FOR BAD BEHAVIORS.

DOGS and CHILDREN DO NOT HAVE BAD BEHAVIORS, lying
"I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn. "Their BEHAVIORS REFLECT your
training quirks":

         "It is by muteness that a dog becomes
               so utterly beyond value."

               Like a confessor Priest?

       "With him, words play no torturing tricks..., "
                 --John Galsworthy.

          Don't bet your dog won't tell on you...
                Their behaviors reflect
         HOWER words, actions and training quirks.
         Jerry HOWE, The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~  )  >

YOU MEAN, HOWE COME YOU HURT DOGS:

"How fricken sick do you need to be to say a dog chooses to
be shocked or pronged or shot in the a.s with a sling shot?

Chooses it over what?

Are you twisted pieces of human refuse offering a dog a
selection of torture devices, and observing them indicating
their personal preference of pain infliction?

I thought the whole idea behind aversion training was that
the subject does not choose it.

You Lynn thinking people are a bunch of abusive idiots.

*YOU* choose to hurt dogs. Fine.

But the fact that you want to sell the idea that the dogs
that god and human society have entrusted, have gifted to
you, are actually empowered by your abuse, is an example
of sociopathic illogic beyond anything this ng has yet offered.

You're like some fricken wife beater who actually says "Don't
make me hit you, Bitch!" What part of what backwoods portion
of which idiot nation do you people reside in?

THE DOG CHOOSES? What is next?

we have so far
1 I hurt dogs to save their lives.
2 I hurt dogs to save people's lives.
3 I hurt dogs to accomodate their choice in being hurt.

Just hurt the dogs and don't try to explain it.
Please, you're scaring me with this stuff.

No wonder why you guys get so bent out of shape when
others speculate as to your motivation behind hurting dogs.

Their speculation seems more plausable then what you yourself
offer.

You're so sick, so drunk with your "tools" of power, that
you don't even see the abusive egoism in your explanations.

You people are way far gone. It will be 20 years before
you'll be embarrassed or ashamed by what you write in
here daily."

Oh? You mean LIKE THIS:

 lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
 For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
 pass it through the crate door.  Attach a line to it.
 When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.

 Lynn K.

     "Unfortunately, some confrontation is necessary,
     just to be able to handle the dogs.  For example,
     we need to crate train a dog immediately because
     they are usually in need of medical care and they
     are in foster homes with other dogs.

     It's a safety necessity," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

     "Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
     Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
     lynn.

"Remember this - The decision to "do right" that most
helps a dog's character is the decision that he makes
himself. You cannot teach a dog to not want something,
any more than you can teach a human not to want something."

"I'm a Koehler-based trainer and used almost
 exactly the same techniques with my very dog
 aggressive bitch.

 2.  I have often rejected many of Koehler's Capt.
 13 methods, from his response to digging to tieing
 things in a dog's mouth.

 FWIW, I use almost none of Koehler's training
 techniques, having found methods I prefer, but
 still find much value in his approach to dogs.

 Briefly, I didn't refer to Koehler and didn't
 mean Koehler when I used the term
 "confrontational".

  Natalie, it is next to impossible to form any kind
  of educated opinion on the work of the late Wm.
  Koehler from what is said or quoted in this newsgroup.

  The conclusion you have reached illustrates that.

  "Remember this - The decision to "do right" that
  most helps a dog's character is the decision that
  he makes himself."

  Personally, I'm not a Koehler trainer,
  I don't use a choke chain, and I don't
  believe a dog learns anything by being
  hung.

 Please don't make the mistake of believing Jerry's
 characterization of me or any other trainer.  He has
 never met any of us and has no idea how anyone
 here actually trains.

  Jerry labelling someone as a Koehler type
  doesn't make it so.

  Lynn K.

Well, it AIN'T so much the "LACK OF UNDERSTANDING,"
lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn, it's MOORE Like the
LACK OF HONEST DISCUSSION that you avoid and lie
abHOWET when cornered with YOUR OWN POSTED CASE HISTORY.

RIGHT. IT'S PAIN, to SATIFY YOUR NEEDS FOR RESPECT.

Dogs work on INSTINCT. They ONLY RESPOND in NORMAL NATURAL
INNATE INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE ways to situations and circumstances
of their environments which we provid for them.

There behaviors ARE NEVER INCORRECT.

You mean a behavior YOU TRAINED them to do, 100%
CONSISTENTLY, RELIABLY, by PAIN FEAR FORCE INTIMDIATION
and AVOIDANCE.

Well THAT'S HOWE COME your dogs MAKE MISTAKES.

Like your SAR dog JIVE, for EXXXAMPLE. HE KNOWS
YOU CAN'T HURT HIM when he's doin a SAR site or
SHEEP HURTING TRIAL and he blows you off JUST
LIKE HOWE all them SAR dogs in ALL the most
notoriHOWES REAL LIFE and DEATH SEARCHES recently.

Well, the ONLY MISTAKE you've been makin is POSTING
to The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manul Forums and School Of HARD KNOCKS and
HUMAN BEHAViOR RESEARCH LABORATORIES, lying "I LOVE
KOEHLER" lynn <{); ~ ) >

Naah. The ONLY problem Lucy has is she
don't know ALL of your own POSTED CASE
HISTORY so it's difficult for her to
SEARCH The Amazing Puppy Wizard's Archives
on Google and other fine news group search
engines for ALL of you LIES ABUSES and DISMAL
FAILURES blaming and MURDERING innocent dogs
to satisfy your fragile defective ego, weak
fearful mind, and compensate for your collossal
inferiority complexes <{); ~ ) >

But you WOULD "CORRECT" a TRAINED dog, a dog
YOU TRAINED to MAKE MISTAKES by jerking choking
bribing beating crating intmidating and avoiding
behavior of the cunning domestic puppy dog you
AIN'T GOT THE INTELLECT to HOWEtwit.

If your "TRAINING" WORKED, you WOUDLN'T NEED
to "CORRECT" the DOG YOU TRAINED TO PERFECTION
using bribery pain fear force intimidation avoidance
and MURDER those who do not VALUE your KINDNESS
and MISTAKE IT FOR WEAKNESS.

THEN HOWE DO YOU TRAIN A NEW BEHAVIOR?

Well then, let's TALK abHOWET those ERRONEHOWES statements?

Seems the ONLY "ERRONEHOWES STATEMENTS" are YOUR INTENTIONAL
LIES fabricated to DEFEND YOUR ALLEGED RIGHT TO CHOKE SHOCK
BEAT CRATE BRIBE INTIMDIATE and MURDER dogs that SCARE YOU
when they TIRE of accepting your UNCONDITIONAL LOVE through
your SHOCK and PRONGED SPIKED PINCH CHOKE COLLARS, AVERSIVE
SPRAYS, CRATING and BRIBERY.

Seems Lucy CURED ALL her dog's behavior problems
NEARLY INSTANTLY by simply doin EXXXACTLY OPPOSITE
of HOWE you abuse dogs and lie abHOWET it, lying
"I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn <{); ~ ) >

Seems ALL The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method Manual Students ALL OVER The WHOLE
WILD WORLD REPORT THE SAME SAME as Lucy done... and
THEY GOT THE SAME SAME COMPLAINTS from DOG LOVERS
who PREFER to HURT INTIMDIATE and MURDER dogs on
accHOWENT of THAT IS YOUR BREAD AN BUTTER, lying
"I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

Well, just START TALKIN and The Amazing Puppy
Wizard will TRAINSLATE anything Lucy doesn't
have the EXXXPERIENCE READING YOUR OWN POSTED
CASE HISTORY to know WHAT to LOOK FOR to IDENTIFY
EXXXPOSE and DISCREDIT you as a lying dog abusing
punk thug coward MENTAL CASE.

RIGHT. She'll GET IT from READING YOUR OWN POSTED CASE
HISTORY JUST LIKE HOWE The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ.

BWEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHAHAA!!!

You'd LIKE that.

The WON you REACHED FOR immediately when that
fear ag