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Adrian A - 04 May 2006 11:05 GMT
I've just been out to feed, Shadow, and for the first time ever, I've
touched him. I gave him a little stroke on the top of his head, he stiffened
but didn't run away, maybe soon he'll actually enjoy it. This is a cat that
last year would run away if he saw me looking at him out of the window. I
think I'll be talking to the vet next week about taking him in for
neutering.
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CatNipped - 04 May 2006 13:55 GMT
YAY!  Way to go Adrian!!!  Looks like you've got yourself another owner.  ;>

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> I've just been out to feed, Shadow, and for the first time ever, I've
> touched him. I gave him a little stroke on the top of his head, he
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> think I'll be talking to the vet next week about taking him in for
> neutering.
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kilikini - 04 May 2006 14:36 GMT
> I've just been out to feed, Shadow, and for the first time ever, I've
> touched him. I gave him a little stroke on the top of his head, he stiffened
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> neutering.
> --

Yay!  Congratulations!

kili
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Karen - 04 May 2006 14:37 GMT
TOUCH! That is indeed cause for celebration!

> I've just been out to feed, Shadow, and for the first time ever, I've
> touched him. I gave him a little stroke on the top of his head, he stiffened
> but didn't run away, maybe soon he'll actually enjoy it. This is a cat that
> last year would run away if he saw me looking at him out of the window. I
> think I'll be talking to the vet next week about taking him in for
> neutering.
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Kreisleriana - 04 May 2006 15:29 GMT
>I've just been out to feed, Shadow, and for the first time ever, I've
>touched him. I gave him a little stroke on the top of his head, he stiffened
>but didn't run away, maybe soon he'll actually enjoy it. This is a cat that
>last year would run away if he saw me looking at him out of the window. I
>think I'll be talking to the vet next week about taking him in for
>neutering.

Wow!  You have been so patient with this little boycat.  
Purrs for the neutering to happen without a hitch.  Of course,
afterwards, he might hate you again. ;)

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Adrian A - 04 May 2006 15:40 GMT
>> I've just been out to feed, Shadow, and for the first time ever, I've
>> touched him. I gave him a little stroke on the top of his head, he
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> Purrs for the neutering to happen without a hitch.  Of course,
> afterwards, he might hate you again. ;)

That's what I'm worried about, he might disappear and not come back.
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Christina Websell - 04 May 2006 18:00 GMT
>>> I've just been out to feed, Shadow, and for the first time ever, I've
>>> touched him. I gave him a little stroke on the top of his head, he
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>
> That's what I'm worried about, he might disappear and not come back.

You have done really well with him, congratulations.  I remember it well,
that first touch is so magical.  Boyfriend was exactly the same, he would
run away if I looked at him or touched the handle of the back door.
I decided I would wait until he was fairly confident with me before I took
him to be neutered as I was afraid, like you are, that he would run away, or
that he would never trust me again if he had a bad experience with me too
early in our new relationship :-)
I figured that waiting a bit longer might be worthwhile, given that he had
been wandering about unneutered anyway.   I'm glad I waited those extra few
weeks.
It gave me a chance to encourage him into the house by putting his food just
inside the open door.  A couple of weeks after that he felt free enough to
lounge on my armchair, but only if I was on the computer with my back to
him.  In another few weeks I could pick him up, although he didn't like it -
and still doesn't - he never made any attempt to scratch me, he just
wriggled.
Once I knew he liked me as much as *that* I made the appointment at the
vet's.   He wowled all the way there.  When I picked him up later I was
informed that he had been "a perfect gentleman."  He screeched his head off
all the way back..
When I opened his carrier in the living room and he tottered out of it I
could see him visibly relax.  "I'm HOME!"
It took him about 24 hours to forgive me, it was necessary for him to do a
bit of shunning to make his point.
The rest is history.
Boyfie is a wonderful cat and he seems to adore me.  The feeling is mutual.
He will now get up on my lap if I am sitting very quietly, knead me a little
then settle down and start his tiny purr.
It was so worth waiting those extra weeks.

Tweed
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Kreisleriana - 04 May 2006 18:20 GMT
>>>> I've just been out to feed, Shadow, and for the first time ever, I've
>>>> touched him. I gave him a little stroke on the top of his head, he
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>
>Tweed

Aww,  Boyfie.  He just melts your heart. ;)

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Steve Touchstone - 05 May 2006 11:48 GMT
>> Wow!  You have been so patient with this little boycat.
>> Purrs for the neutering to happen without a hitch.  Of course,
>> afterwards, he might hate you again. ;)
>
>That's what I'm worried about, he might disappear and not come back.

Sounds like you're going through the same drill I went though with
Rocky - though with Rocky it took a couple years before I could touch
him. I had the same fear that he'd disappear and never come back when
I took him in to be neutered, but he forgave me almost immediately.

I think the reason Rocky forgave me so quickly may have been because
he was so glad to get home. I boarded him overnight the night before
surgery and the surgery was delayed, so he ended up spending an extra
night. The whole time he was there he refused to eat, drink, or use
the litter box. So when I brought him home he was so happy to be
rescued from TED's place he seemed to forget who took him there in the
first. place.
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Adrian A - 05 May 2006 12:41 GMT
>>> Wow!  You have been so patient with this little boycat.
>>> Purrs for the neutering to happen without a hitch.  Of course,
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> rescued from TED's place he seemed to forget who took him there in the
> first. place.

I think I'll have to board Shadow overnight, there's no way I can guarantee
he won't eat before I take him in.
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Christina Websell - 06 May 2006 01:14 GMT
>>>> Wow!  You have been so patient with this little boycat.
>>>> Purrs for the neutering to happen without a hitch.  Of course,
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> guarantee
> he won't eat before I take him in.

I still think you are doing it too soon.  Please, please, PLEASE wait.  You
just managed to touch him and now you want to race him off to the vet to get
him neutered before he even trusts you.  He will probably run away when you
get him back from the vet and why wouldn't he?
Do wait until you have a much better relationship unless you want to lose
him.    It's far too soon to think about catching him.  Took months with
Boyfie, be more patient.
Wait until Shadow is confident with you and will let you pick him up, okay
it will will take a long time, but by then he will trust you, you can take
him to the vet and he will stay will you when he comes back.

Tweed
Boyfie agrees..
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Steve Touchstone - 06 May 2006 11:11 GMT
>I still think you are doing it too soon.  Please, please, PLEASE wait.  You
>just managed to touch him and now you want to race him off to the vet to get
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>Tweed
>Boyfie agrees..

Actually, thinking about it, Rocky didn't get neutered until about his
third trip to TED. Prior to his surgery I took him in a couple times
due to fight wounds. The first couple times he took much longer to
forgive me. The first time I didn't see him for a week, and the second
time he disappeared for three or four days.

After finally getting him neutered, though, I wished I'd done it
sooner - even though he might not have forgiven me as fast. The
biggest reason is that, as far as I know, he never had a fight after
being neutered. There's also the question of how many kittens he might
have fathered who later needed homes which could have gone to other
kittens who needed a home.
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Adrian A - 06 May 2006 11:47 GMT
>>>>> Wow!  You have been so patient with this little boycat.
>>>>> Purrs for the neutering to happen without a hitch.  Of course,
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> Tweed
> Boyfie agrees..

I intend to wait a few more weeks, but I still think he'll have to spend the
night a the vets. I think it will be a long time before he comes into the
house, and if did Snoopy would probably chase him out again.
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Christina Websell - 07 May 2006 01:32 GMT
>>>>>> Wow!  You have been so patient with this little boycat.
>>>>>> Purrs for the neutering to happen without a hitch.  Of course,
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> night a the vets. I think it will be a long time before he comes into the
> house, and if did Snoopy would probably chase him out again.

You might be surprised if Snoopy has encountered him in the garden, she will
then be used to him, just like Kitty with Boyfriend.  Kitty would never let
any cat into her garden, but she did let BF in and it was no big deal when
he came into the house.  I can't say she was pleased - as she thought she'd
got the house to herself - and she does bop him a bit, but generally they
get on pretty well.  Mainly because BF sez  "ok, KFC, whatever you say."  He
ain't daft.

It's amusing, he is twice her size.  He realises it isn't a good idea to get
on the bad side of Kitty Farmcat.  Even I wouldn't like to.

Tweed
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Adrian A - 07 May 2006 11:11 GMT
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>> I intend to wait a few more weeks, but I still think he'll have to
>> spend the
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>
> Tweed

Snoopy has met him a few times, and hissed at him. She still attacks Baggy
on an almost daily basis and he's lived here nearly three years. Snoopy's a
very jealous cat that wants her human all to herself, Baggy on the other
hand has tried to make friends with Shadow who so far has just ignored him.
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Steve Touchstone - 06 May 2006 10:58 GMT
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>> I think the reason Rocky forgave me so quickly may have been because
>> he was so glad to get home. I boarded him overnight the night before
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>I think I'll have to board Shadow overnight, there's no way I can guarantee
>he won't eat before I take him in.

Yes, that's the reason Rocky ended up going the day before surgery.
His neutering was done at a non profit clinic which doesn't normally
board animals, but they let him me bring him in a day early because he
was still semi feral. Then they kept him an extra night to monitor him
for complications. When I picked him up there was some concern because
of his not eating, drinking, or using the litter box, but they thought
that was probably just the stress of being caged. Turned out they were
right about the stress. When we got home he started pacing in front of
the patio door demanding OUT NOW!! Fearing he might disappear on me I
reluctantly let him out and watched as he hopped the chain link fence
to the neighbor's yard. Turned out he just wanted to use the proper
outdoor facilities under their pecan tree. As soon as he was done he
was back at the door wanting to eat ;-))

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mlbriggs - 04 May 2006 17:29 GMT
>>I've just been out to feed, Shadow, and for the first time ever, I've
>>touched him. I gave him a little stroke on the top of his head, he stiffened
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>
> Make Levees, Not War

Perhaps you could have someone else do the "dirty work" then you could
"save" him so he would love you.  MLB
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Irulan - 04 May 2006 15:30 GMT
cgts, another trusting relationship on the way.
Lily & her mama

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> I've just been out to feed, Shadow, and for the first time ever, I've
> touched him. I gave him a little stroke on the top of his head, he
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> think I'll be talking to the vet next week about taking him in for
> neutering.
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Rhino - 04 May 2006 19:13 GMT
> I've just been out to feed, Shadow, and for the first time ever, I've
> touched him. I gave him a little stroke on the top of his head, he
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> think I'll be talking to the vet next week about taking him in for
> neutering.

You'll just have to play it by ear and see how quickly he warms up to you.

Samba initially would not let me touch her at all. Every time I tried to
stroke her, she would get up and walk away. Any time I tried to pick her up,
she would squirm desperately and cry - and she still does.

But I eventually stumbled on a way to get her to accept physical contact
from me. One day, she was sleeping on my bed with her feet exposed and
positioned between me and her body. I put my hand on the pads of her feet
and just left them there; I didn't try to move or tickle her feet or
anything else. Apparently, she liked the temperature of my hand and
respositioned her feet a bit to get as much of her pads on them as she
could. She still watched me cautiously but she didn't run away and I had
made "first contact" with her.

After we'd done that on a few occasions, I took the hand that wasn't against
her pads and tried to stroke her. She was a bit squeamish but I eventually
discovered that she liked me stroking and scratching on her head most and
especially ear rubs.

Quite some time after that, she finally lay down with me while I was
watching TV; that's now a nightly habit for us (and Bebop).

Then, quite a while after all that, she started to visit me occasionally in
the middle of the night. She had been sleeping curled up against me in bed
for many months but now she started coming to me expressly for affection.
She waited until I was flat on my back, then climbed up and crouched on the
exact center on my chest and began purring very loudly. I guessed that she
was giving me permission to stroke her and found that I was right; she let
me stroke her and rub her ears and she let me go on as long as I was
willing. As soon as I stopped stroking her, she'd jump up and go back to
sleeping around my ankles. It's only recently - and I've had her almost 6
years now - that when i stop stroking her and just lay my hands on her back,
she will actually stay and snooze for a while - sometimes.

She obviously likes being stroked but she clearly wants it to be on her
terms. But then she is a spirited, independent cat. Shadow may become a
complete pushover very quickly.

--
Rhino
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polonca12000 - 06 May 2006 16:46 GMT
> I've just been out to feed, Shadow, and for the first time ever, I've
> touched him. I gave him a little stroke on the top of his head, he stiffened
> but didn't run away, maybe soon he'll actually enjoy it. This is a cat that
> last year would run away if he saw me looking at him out of the window. I
> think I'll be talking to the vet next week about taking him in for
> neutering.

Cograts, that is wonderful!
Best wishes,
Polonca and Soncek
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Christine Burel - 08 May 2006 01:03 GMT
That's wonderful news, Adrian!
Christine
> I've just been out to feed, Shadow, and for the first time ever, I've
> touched him. I gave him a little stroke on the top of his head, he stiffened
> but didn't run away, maybe soon he'll actually enjoy it. This is a cat that
> last year would run away if he saw me looking at him out of the window. I
> think I'll be talking to the vet next week about taking him in for
> neutering.
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