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Pat - 01 May 2006 23:45 GMT
I phoned this morning and got a secretary who has no clue what a kilowatt
hour is. She sent a guy over with a truck and I explained to him that I
don't have a furnace that uses electricity, don't have an electric stove or
dishwasher, don't even own a portable electric heater, haven't used the
dryer yet, etc. He took the new electric meter reading and saw that I
haven't used 300 Kwh in the past month. Did the same with the water meter.
But he didn't tell me the answer to the riddle. I did go to see an
acquaintance who runs and electrical & plumbing supply store and told him
the whole story. He says the city is notorious for incorrect meter readings
and will probably find out that's what the problem is.

I'll post again when it gets resolved one way or another. My neighbor across
the street who has a normal forced-air furnace, an electric stove, clothes
dryer that she uses regularly, etc. had a much lower bill last month than I
did.
Irulan - 02 May 2006 00:53 GMT
Pat, sounds like things are looking up. Hope it was all a mistake on THEIR
part, and that you get the correct bill soon, also for the water bill. Hang
in there, house ownership ain't that bad. :)
Lily & her mama

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>I phoned this morning and got a secretary who has no clue what a kilowatt
>hour is. She sent a guy over with a truck and I explained to him that I
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> clothes dryer that she uses regularly, etc. had a much lower bill last
> month than I did.
Matthew AKA NMR - 02 May 2006 05:20 GMT
> Pat, sounds like things are looking up. Hope it was all a mistake on THEIR
> part, and that you get the correct bill soon, also for the water bill.
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>> clothes dryer that she uses regularly, etc. had a much lower bill last
>> month than I did.

You may need to get a master electrician out there  sounds liek you have a
trickle problem.  It means inadeqate fuses or wiring that is overheating or
flowing way to much power to a point of use.  How old is the house it it
more than 15 years  I would start right at the power box and check the
fuses.

I made my utilities company install a computerized meter on our house.  I
was getting constant wrong bills.  They were off by about  $20 - $100 month.
I got solar power installed  for the pool and the home.  The meter guy was
coming by and estimating the usage by the square footage would walk to the
meter look real quick and leave.  I went outside wrote down the numbers
they were always way off
Once they got that new meter in  no more problems.  They installed a
wireless reading port. They just drive by point the reader gun and don't
even have to get their lazy butts out of the truck
Monique Y. Mudama - 02 May 2006 15:30 GMT
> I made my utilities company install a computerized meter on our
> house.  I was getting constant wrong bills.  They were off by about
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> wireless reading port. They just drive by point the reader gun and
> don't even have to get their lazy butts out of the truck

This gives me new insight into our local power company's ads on how
you can save energy.  What a great idea -- encourage your customers to
save energy, then "estimate" their usage so that you can skim some off
the top!

Okay, the local one may not be doing that ... honestly, DH handles the
electricity bill and I have no idea what we pay.

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Adrian A - 02 May 2006 10:25 GMT
> I phoned this morning and got a secretary who has no clue what a
> kilowatt hour is. She sent a guy over with a truck and I explained to
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> stove, clothes dryer that she uses regularly, etc. had a much lower
> bill last month than I did.

It looks hopefull that things will soon be sorted out. It must have been one
hell of a fright getting that bill.
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sriddles@aol.com - 02 May 2006 16:03 GMT
> I phoned this morning and got a secretary who has no clue what a kilowatt
> hour is. She sent a guy over with a truck and I explained to him that I
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> the whole story. He says the city is notorious for incorrect meter readings
> and will probably find out that's what the problem is.

Pfft. I bet it isn't an error in reading; I bet they didn't even read
it at all, and just estimated it. They do that by averaging the last
couple of months or so of usage in that house.
Sometimes in small town, there's only one "meter man". Or sometimes the
other city employees take turns doing it. They save time by estimating,
and the next month they read it, so you "catch up."
Sounds like your next month's bill would be *very* low, maybe even
negative!

Sherry
Pat - 02 May 2006 16:37 GMT
> Pfft. I bet it isn't an error in reading; I bet they didn't even read
> it at all, and just estimated it. They do that by averaging the last
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> Sounds like your next month's bill would be *very* low, maybe even
> negative!

If it was an estimate, a note to that effect should appear somewhere on the
bill, but it does not.

I don't know why they would fail to read the meters when the previous
occupants had the utilities shut off, or again when I had the new loop
installed. The guy from the city - same guy that was here yesterday - was
present when the electric was turned on in my name.
Jo Firey - 02 May 2006 16:59 GMT
>> Pfft. I bet it isn't an error in reading; I bet they didn't even read
>> it at all, and just estimated it. They do that by averaging the last
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> installed. The guy from the city - same guy that was here yesterday - was
> present when the electric was turned on in my name.

If they estimated the ending reading or misread it, it will  self correct
the next month.  What worries me is that if they misread the beginning
reading.  Or didn't read it at all but are going back to the last (and
possibly wrong) reading for the previous customers.

Also here, we pay for electric in tiers.  a basic bit is cheap, the next
amount is higher and then there is a much higher third rate for anything
over that as it is considered excessive or luxury use.  So if you double
your use, it will at least triple your bill.

Jo
Pat - 02 May 2006 17:30 GMT
I just spoke with the utility office again. They said my bill was not
estimated, the start reading is the same as the end reading on the previous
occupants' bill. They are insisting that this bill I got is accurate. They
suggested I go talk with the Mayor.

I guess I'll be talking with a real estate broker instead.
Adrian A - 02 May 2006 17:45 GMT
> I just spoke with the utility office again. They said my bill was not
> estimated, the start reading is the same as the end reading on the
> previous occupants' bill. They are insisting that this bill I got is
> accurate. They suggested I go talk with the Mayor.
>
> I guess I'll be talking with a real estate broker instead.

I'd be tearing my hair out (if I had any) in your position. How can you
*prove* they've got wrong?
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 02 May 2006 19:00 GMT
>>I just spoke with the utility office again. They said my bill was not
>>estimated, the start reading is the same as the end reading on the
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> I'd be tearing my hair out (if I had any) in your position. How can you
> *prove* they've got wrong?

I'd suggest taking them up on THEIR suggestion and go "talk
with the Mayor" - or better yet your local TV news
"investigative reporter".  SOMEONE obviously goofed, or your
present reading wouldn't be so much lower.  (You CAN "fight
City Hall", it just takes determination and getting a few
other people on your side, too.)

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Irulan - 02 May 2006 20:02 GMT
Pat this is a good idea. Try to see if someone in your local TV news channel
might be interested in taking a look at this. It is just so wrong. Good
luck.
Lily & her mama

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>
>>>I just spoke with the utility office again. They said my bill was not
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> lower.  (You CAN "fight City Hall", it just takes determination and
> getting a few other people on your side, too.)
jmcquown - 03 May 2006 08:06 GMT
> Pat this is a good idea. Try to see if someone in your local TV news
> channel might be interested in taking a look at this. It is just so
> wrong. Good luck.
> Lily & her mama

In Memphis they have this news guy who looks into stuff, can't think of his
name but I'm sure there is someone in Missouri who does the same sort of
thing.  And there is the Mayor's Action Line; maybe something similar where
Pat lives.

Jill
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 03 May 2006 12:10 GMT
> > Pat this is a good idea. Try to see if someone in your local TV news
> > channel might be interested in taking a look at this. It is just so
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> thing.  And there is the Mayor's Action Line; maybe something similar where
> Pat lives.

You mean the ombudsman?

Joyce
Chakolate - 02 May 2006 20:07 GMT
> I'd suggest taking them up on THEIR suggestion and go "talk
> with the Mayor" - or better yet your local TV news
> "investigative reporter".  SOMEONE obviously goofed, or your
> present reading wouldn't be so much lower.  (You CAN "fight
> City Hall", it just takes determination and getting a few
> other people on your side, too.)

Before you contact the local tv news, be sure to make as much effort as
you can to get it resolved.  The 'investigative reporter' types don't
really want to get involved unless you can show that you've already tried
just about everything.  It's a better story if you're at the end of your
rope.

Chak

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Pat - 02 May 2006 20:10 GMT
>> I'd suggest taking them up on THEIR suggestion and go "talk
>> with the Mayor" - or better yet your local TV news
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> just about everything.  It's a better story if you're at the end of your
> rope.

Absolutely correct. I just sent a letter to the mayor, Leon Harris. It's
posted lower in this thread.
sriddles@aol.com - 02 May 2006 18:01 GMT
> I just spoke with the utility office again. They said my bill was not
> estimated, the start reading is the same as the end reading on the previous
> occupants' bill. They are insisting that this bill I got is accurate. They
> suggested I go talk with the Mayor.
>
> I guess I'll be talking with a real estate broker instead.

This is just a thought, but when you go speak to the higher-ups, you
might make a list of everything you have that runs off electricity, and
estimate how many hours a day that you use things like computer, TV,
etc.
Then, if they will give you the info., get the average monthly bill for
the tenants who were in the house before you, how many occupants were
in it, etc. If the bills vary wildly, you know there is a problem with
the meter or something.
This is just so wrong. There has to be a way to correct it.
Sherry
Matthew AKA NMR - 02 May 2006 18:14 GMT
>> I just spoke with the utility office again. They said my bill was not
>> estimated, the start reading is the same as the end reading on the
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> This is just so wrong. There has to be a way to correct it.
> Sherry

Sounds like a lazy utility worker not wanting to bother with it.

1  request a list of usage from the last year and the shut off date of the
last user.  They have to do it  but don't have to provide you the customers
personal info

2  request a supervisor to deal with if none is available  request the name
and phone number of their superior.

3  request a test of the home for drainage this may have to be paid for by
you. it can determine if something is over drawing.  I had an refrigerator
that was costing me $200 extra month due to a faulty compressor

4  the mayor has nothing to do with the utilities unless they are chartered
directly thru the city.  Than a visit to his office is required

5 if I remember right you are in Missouri contact
http://www.missourienergy.org/
Karen - 02 May 2006 19:34 GMT
> 2  request a supervisor to deal with if none is available  request the name
> and phone number of their superior.

YOu would not believe how often THIS is what you need to do. I totally agree
this is the next step.
Chakolate - 02 May 2006 20:09 GMT
> 1  request a list of usage from the last year and the shut off date of
> the last user.  They have to do it  but don't have to provide you the
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> 5 if I remember right you are in Missouri contact
> http://www.missourienergy.org/ 

And document *everything*.  Every person you talked to, their name, title
and extension, the date, time, and what was said.  Being able to say 'I
talked to <name> on <date> at <time> and was told <whatever>' is so much
more convincing than saying 'I spoke to somebody a while ago'.  

Chak

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Karen - 02 May 2006 19:34 GMT
I"d take it up further. If the utilities guy came out and said what he said,
they have to do something. I'd do that before doing what you are thinking
of. It is *obviously* a mistake. And who did you talk to at the utilities
office? Ask for a manager. Don't give up so easily.

> I just spoke with the utility office again. They said my bill was not
> estimated, the start reading is the same as the end reading on the previous
> occupants' bill. They are insisting that this bill I got is accurate. They
> suggested I go talk with the Mayor.
>
> I guess I'll be talking with a real estate broker instead.
Pat - 02 May 2006 20:09 GMT
> I"d take it up further. If the utilities guy came out and said what he
> said,
> they have to do something. I'd do that before doing what you are thinking
> of. It is *obviously* a mistake. And who did you talk to at the utilities
> office? Ask for a manager. Don't give up so easily.

It was the manager I spoke with. I've written to the mayor. Here's what I
wrote:

Dear Mr. Harris,

Recently I moved back to Ava after living out in Douglas County for over
six years, and I have just received a big shock. Please hear me out... This
is a serious situation for me, the outcome of which will determine whether I
can continue to occupy the home I just bought here. If not, I will have to
live in my car.

I live alone and am very frugal. Always have been. On my income - about
$800 per month - it's my only choice, but I would do the same if I was rich;
wasting anything is abhorrent to me. That's how I was raised. My parents
lived through the depression.

Anyhow, I moved in about 9 weeks ago. Before buying the house, I had to
examine my budget very closely to be certain I could afford the costs of
home ownership.

I spent 9 years in northern Arizona with no electricity, phone or running
water. I hauled every drop of my water. Extreme conservation became a habit
that I've never entirely broken. To this day, I still shower only once a
week,
and it is a "navy shower", the rest of the time I sponge bathe at sink.

When I brush my teeth, I fill a small glass and use it rather than leave the
faucet on. The toilet gets flushed 2x/day. I have no dishwasher, no
microwave oven, no hair dryer. My only luxuries are a personal computer
that's shut down every night and a blender that I haven't unpacked yet.

I've washed perhaps half a dozen loads of laundry since moving in. My dryer
hasn't been used in this house yet, as the cord isn't attached. My fridge is
not very old and it's small, and I keep it on the lowest setting where ice
cream barely remains solid in the freezer.

The heater is propane and does not use electricity at all. I don't have an
electric space heater. There was an electric stove here when I bought the
place, but I never used it and replaced with propane. The water heater is
electric but less than a year old and one of the most efficient made. I set
the temp. dials on 110, and it hardly ever kicks on.

City Utilities made me upgrade the meter loop before I could get electricity
turned on. It was shut off on about 2/10 when the previous occupants left.
Water was also shut off at that time.

Before buying the house, I spoke with City Utilities to learn the minimum
monthly charges, for budgeting purposes. I had lived in Ava for eight months
starting 8/1/99, so I already had some idea, but I wanted to refresh my
memory and be more sure of the figures.

I knew the electric would be the highest item but was not concerned about
it, since for six years on WRVEC**, my bills had always been under $30 -
even watering the next door neighbor's horses from my well. I had no air
conditioning there and don't plan to have it here. I had a/c when I lived in
Ava before, but as I recall the bills were not over $60 in the two months
when it was used.

Can you imagine how stunned I was when I saw that my first electric bill for
this house was over $100? That may not sound like a lot to you but it's a
deal-killer to me.

According to my bill, I used 1,433KWH from 2/28 through 3/27, and City
Utilities swears by their figures.

I asked 86-year-old Nell Hester, who lives across the street, about her
bill. She has a forced-air furnace, keeps the place pretty warm, uses an
electric stove and electric water heater. Her bill for the same period was
$80.

On my request, Jo Firey checked the number of Kwh she was billed
for last month. Her response was:

"We used 839KWH of electric last month.  There are five of us and we are
power hogs. Water we used about 7000 gallons.  That includes two teenage
boys who shower here at least once a day, tons of laundry and a few leaks."

My water usage, supposedly, was 3,690 gallons in March. That's over 100
gallons a day, but my toilets do not run on, nor do my faucets leak. For
comparison's sake, in Arizona I used an average of five gallons a day, while
caring for three dogs, five cats and a small garden!

On Sunday, I turned off all the breakers here, read the meter and went out
for a few hours. When I got back, the dial had not moved. That reading
showed I had used just over 200KWH since the recent bill. So we're talking
1,433KWH in March vs. 200+ in April.

My next step was to call City Utilities to try and find out what's going on.
Is the meter reading when the previous occupant moved out the same as the
reading when my billing began? Yes, they say, it is.

Then I called Leland Barnes, who installed the new meter loop, and explained
my predicament. His suggestion was "call the mayor". That's you....

I thought Barnes was either joking or being facetious, so instead of calling
you, I visited Ray's Electric and told my story. That store is big and has
lots of lights that are on all day, and their electric bill was also lower
than mine.

I mentioned to Ray the discrepancy between my last month's usage and the
reading Sunday, and that shot down his guess that perhaps there was a bare
wire sticking in the ground under the house and pulling amps.

When I called City Utilities again, they also said "call the mayor." I still
don't feel quite comfortable with the idea of bending your ear to explain my
predicament, hence this letter.

Obviously something is way wrong with either my house or the utility
bills.... there's no way I used 1,433KWH of power during the month of March,
I didn't finish moving until 3/11 and didn't plug in the fridge or turn on
the water heater until then!

I sure hope you'll help get this matter resolved. I am against a wall with
nowhere left to turn.

**WRVEC=White River Valley Electric Cooperative
Karen - 02 May 2006 20:40 GMT
That is a very good letter.

> > I"d take it up further. If the utilities guy came out and said what he
> > said,
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>
> **WRVEC=White River Valley Electric Cooperative
MaryL - 02 May 2006 22:51 GMT
<snip>

> Obviously something is way wrong with either my house or the utility
> bills.... there's no way I used 1,433KWH of power during the month of
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> **WRVEC=White River Valley Electric Cooperative

Pat,

To give you some figures for comparison: My house is 2,732 sq. ft. That
includes a sunroom (441 sq. ft.) with windows all around 2 ½ sides. I live
in East Texas and like it cool indoors, so I run the air conditioner almost
all year. I also use the oven and microwave oven every day (and must admit
to leaving lights on when they should not be on.) On the plus side, it is a
very energy efficient house - I invested in the most energy-efficient
windows and had lots of additional insulation blown in. With all that, I
used 704KW for the month of March. You would use extra energy if you don't
have proper insulation, but it should not be *nearly* the amount you showed
for the lifestyle you live. So, something is clearly wrong - either there is
leakage of some sort (even if not yet detected) or the meter is being read
incorrectly, or possibly the meter is defective.  You may have to get an
electrician and/or plumber to inspect because you would probably be
responsible for any defects on "your" side of the house from the supply
lines, but the city should inspect their lines first.

MaryL
polonca12000 - 02 May 2006 22:55 GMT
>>I"d take it up further. If the utilities guy came out and said what he
>>said,
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>
> **WRVEC=White River Valley Electric Cooperative

Lots and lots of purrs and best wishes for your problem to be solved
really soon,
Polonca and Soncek
Nomen Nescio - 02 May 2006 23:40 GMT
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>From: "Pat" <pdavis@fidnetspam.com>

>It was the manager I spoke with. I've written to the mayor. Here's what I
>wrote:

Assuming that everything you wrote is true, we know a few things
with reasonable certainty:

1) Your meter is properly calibrated.
2) you do not have electrical leakage in the house wiring.

So what's left?

1) You have a high draw appliance that was plugged in
during March that was not in use during April.

2) The initial meter reading was incorrect.

3) you mistakenly used more power than you thought.

- From what you say, we can probably rule out (1) & (3)

That leaves only (2)

So asuming it was an incorrect initial meter reading,
how can that be determined.

The part that I'm kinda fuzzy on is the work that was done
to turn on your electricity.
Was the power physically disconnected?

Around here a change of owner is handled one of two ways.
1) Power to the house remains on - Someone shows up and
reads the meter.......previous owner pays until the reading, you
pay after the reading.

2) Power is physically disconnected - electricity is shut off at the
pole, and the METER IS REMOVED.

Looking at (2), if the meter is removed you will NOT get the same
meter when it is reconnected. Therefore the initial reading for you
will NOT match the ending reading for the previous owner.
So, if they installed a new meter, THERE'S YOUR PROBLEM !

for case (1), the only answer is an incorrect meter reading.
That will be tough to prove. For future reference.....check the meter
reading the moment that they start billing you.
What can you do now?
1) Ask the power company to FULLY investigate the bill. Explaining
that there MUST be an error on their part. Maybe they could look at
the previous owners billing to see if it looks like they under billed for
the previous month.
I doubt they are trying to screw you. They probably just don't believe
you.

2) Are they a regulated Utility? Talk to the regulators.

3) Pay the bill, get a couple of months payment history to document
a lower usage, and take it to small claims court. A judge will probably
be more understanding and sympathetic.

or

4) Pay the bill, realize that you were careless and are going to have
to pay a price for your carelessness. Once!!
It sounds like your future bills will be properly in line with you usage.

Best of Luck.
Pat - 02 May 2006 23:48 GMT
> 1) You have a high draw appliance that was plugged in
> during March that was not in use during April.

I know this is impossible.

> 3) you mistakenly used more power than you thought.

Also impossible.

> The part that I'm kinda fuzzy on is the work that was done
> to turn on your electricity.
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> reads the meter.......previous owner pays until the reading, you
> pay after the reading.

That didn't happen in this case.

> 2) Power is physically disconnected - electricity is shut off at the
> pole, and the METER IS REMOVED.

Meter was not removed except to replace the box that houses it.

> Best of Luck.

I'll need it. Thanks.
Nomen Nescio - 03 May 2006 08:21 GMT
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From: "Pat" <pdavis@fidnetspam.com>

>Meter was not removed except to replace the box that houses it.

OK, This is baffling but I think I might have the answer.
It's a long shot, but.........

The needle that reads thousands is loose and has some free play
in it. When the meter was read, the needle was almost at the 12 o'clock
position. If "0" is at the 12 o'clock, the needle was showing a "9" for the
thousands when it should have been showing a "0" . You initial reading
may have shown something like x9100 when it should have been x0100.
If someone wasn't thinking when they read the meter, they might not have
realized that with x9100, the needle should have been closer to the "9"
than the "0". Of course, when the needle finally passed the "0" it flopped
over clockwise and now looks to be in a (more or less) normal position.
If this happened, it would add an extra 1000 KwH to your bill. If you are normally
using around 300 KwH, then using 433 KwH in the month that you were
moving in and getting settled (and cooling the fridge, heating the water heater,
etc.) would not be unreasonable. With the loose needle adding 1000KwH,
there's your 1,433KwH.
If that isn't it, then I think I'm fresh out of ideas.
You might want to DEMAND that they carefully check the meter, which they
really should have offered to do when you first brought it to their attention.

Again, best of luck resolving this situation.
Pat - 03 May 2006 15:59 GMT
I forwarded your message to our mayor. Thanks so much!

> OK, This is baffling but I think I might have the answer.
> It's a long shot, but.........
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> really should have offered to do when you first brought it to their
> attention.
polonca12000 - 02 May 2006 22:46 GMT
> I phoned this morning and got a secretary who has no clue what a kilowatt
> hour is. She sent a guy over with a truck and I explained to him that I
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> dryer that she uses regularly, etc. had a much lower bill last month than I
> did.

It seems like they were estimating the amount of electricity used by the
people who lived in the house before you.
Hopefully this problem is resolved really soon. Lots of calming purrs
and hugs,
Polonca and Soncek
MaryL - 07 May 2006 23:55 GMT
>I phoned this morning and got a secretary who has no clue what a kilowatt
>hour is. She sent a guy over with a truck and I explained to him that I
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> clothes dryer that she uses regularly, etc. had a much lower bill last
> month than I did.

Yes, I realize that the ones I have would be copies and not originals.  On
the other hand, I did not realize how large some would be until I read your
message.

I still have the abstract (or, more correctly, our copy) from when my
parents purchased their home in 1946.  Very interesting reading, going back
through history and including Indians in Ohio (as you said).  We used to
find lots of arrowheads at the back of their property -- and that was,
unfortunately, at a time when we did not have the respect I would have today
for keeping and preserving those artifacts of history.

MaryL
MaryL - 07 May 2006 23:58 GMT
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> I still have the abstract (or, more correctly, our copy) from when my
> parents purchased their home in 1946.  Very interesting reading, going
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> MaryL

Ooops, sorry!  I was typing a reply under a different thread and didn't
realize that I had clicked on this thread while I was sending the other
message.

MaryL
 
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