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is there alternititve medicine for a cat with feline leukemia

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toocoolcolos - 26 Apr 2006 13:07 GMT
my friends cat has f.l. and doctor wanted to put him to sleep 3 years ago
my friend could not do it he loves him so much now he is getting real sic
doctor gave him antibiotics and lasix. do you know what exactly they are
for he is alot better please let me know if there is alternititve medicine
that will help thank you
jmcquown - 26 Apr 2006 15:00 GMT
> my friends cat has f.l. and doctor wanted to put him to sleep 3 years
> ago my friend could not do it he loves him so much now he is getting
> real sic doctor gave him antibiotics and lasix. do you know what
> exactly they are for he is alot better please let me know if there is
> alternititve medicine that will help thank you

Just my opinion but your friend is doing the beloved cat no favours by
keeping him alive with an incurable, will-only-get-worse disease.  We all
understand about loving our pets but there are times when we have to stop
being selfish and consider what is best for the pet.

Jill
sriddles@aol.com - 26 Apr 2006 16:14 GMT
> > my friends cat has f.l. and doctor wanted to put him to sleep 3 years
> > ago my friend could not do it he loves him so much now he is getting
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Jill

But, they can live a long time and feel perfectly healthy...I had a cat
who lived eight years with the disease. I never thought about putting
him down until he came down full-blown with symptoms. It first appeared
like a URI with loss of appetite. The vet gave hime weekly shots after
those symptoms appeared -- I wish I could remember what it was, but
that was back in 1995. I think it was some kind of steroid but I could
be wrong. They helped boost his immune system and he overcame the first
bout of illness, and stayed healthy almost another year. Then another
bout of symptoms, that did not respond. He began to bloat and be
uncomfortable, and I had him euthanized then.
The #1 most important thing to keep a FeLeuk patient healthy is to
provide it a stress-free environment. We had an event that turned the
household upside down, and that's when he got sick.
Sherry
sriddles@aol.com - 26 Apr 2006 16:30 GMT
> > > my friends cat has f.l. and doctor wanted to put him to sleep 3 years
> > > ago my friend could not do it he loves him so much now he is getting
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> household upside down, and that's when he got sick.
> Sherry

Replying to my own post, but I just re-read more carefully and saw
where the poster said "Now he is getting real sic."....I bet he is
bloating like Luke did, and that's what the Lasix is for. That was the
end for Luke. When they are bloated, they are still hungry and *want*
to eat, but can't because their belly is bloated and it is too
uncomfortable. He began to lie around in unusual, hidden places. I
realized he was looking for a place to die, like cats do. He was not
happy, or even comfortable anymore and the treatment was not working
like it did the first time. Out of the eight years, he was only really
sick for about two weeks, and that was the end.
To the OP: I am so sorry. FeLeuk is a terrible disease.
Sherry
jmcquown - 26 Apr 2006 22:30 GMT
>>>> my friends cat has f.l. and doctor wanted to put him to sleep 3
>>>> years ago my friend could not do it he loves him so much now he is
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
> To the OP: I am so sorry. FeLeuk is a terrible disease.
> Sherry

The OP also stated "and doctor wanted to put him to sleep 3 years ago".  We
have no idea the age of this cat, either.  I certainly don't advocate
putting a cat to sleep just because they've been diagnosed with an illness.

Jill
Jane - 26 Apr 2006 19:33 GMT
>> > my friends cat has f.l. and doctor wanted to put him to sleep 3 years
>> > ago my friend could not do it he loves him so much now he is getting
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>him down until he came down full-blown with symptoms. It first appeared
>like a URI with loss of appetite. The vet gave hime weekly shots after

I agree with this.  My friend acquired a rescue cat who was FIV-positive,
and the vet recommended all sorts of expensive medications. My friend had
no job, so she simply went with 'benevolent neglect' and just gave the
cat food, water, and a lovely safe warm place to live.  Max survived quite
happily for over 9 years and finally died at the ripe old age of 17.

Jane
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Karen - 27 Apr 2006 00:12 GMT
>>>> my friends cat has f.l. and doctor wanted to put him to sleep 3 years
>>>> ago my friend could not do it he loves him so much now he is getting
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> Jane
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My vet has also had FIV postive cats live that long. FeLV does seem to
usually present some severe/terminal illness, but they *can* have a
longer life than most vets give credit for. Though I will say the OP's
kitty sounds like that time may have come.
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 26 Apr 2006 16:52 GMT
>>my friends cat has f.l. and doctor wanted to put him to sleep 3 years
>>ago my friend could not do it he loves him so much now he is getting
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> understand about loving our pets but there are times when we have to stop
> being selfish and consider what is best for the pet.

I beg to differ - at least where FL is concerned.  I have
lost two cats to the disease - the first I allowed to be
euthanized, but regretted it later.  Her grand-daughter
(with a more understanding vet) lived several ostensibly
"normal" and happy years after being diagnosed.  I have
never had any problem with having a cat "put to sleep" when
it was clearly suffering (I only wish we could do the same
for ourselves, when terminally ill).  However, FLV is not
ordinarily painful, except (possibly) in its final stages.
The cat will let you know when it's time - you just have to
be aware of it.

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Jo Firey - 26 Apr 2006 18:40 GMT
>>>my friends cat has f.l. and doctor wanted to put him to sleep 3 years
>>>ago my friend could not do it he loves him so much now he is getting
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> final stages. The cat will let you know when it's time - you just have to
> be aware of it.

One cat we had die of this really never was sick.  She just kind of slowed
down and became so anemic she barely moved.  That was when we decided it was
the end.  She had been diagnosed about three years earlier.

Jo
jmcquown - 26 Apr 2006 22:32 GMT
>>> my friends cat has f.l. and doctor wanted to put him to sleep 3
>>> years ago my friend could not do it he loves him so much now he is
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> The cat will let you know when it's time - you just have to
> be aware of it.

Everyone seems to ignore the fact that the vet wanted to put the cat to
sleep 3 years ago and the cat is getting worse.  We don't know the age of
the cat but I seriously doubt the vet would have recommended putting the cat
to sleep just for grins.

Jill
Karen - 27 Apr 2006 00:10 GMT
>>>> my friends cat has f.l. and doctor wanted to put him to sleep 3
>>>> years ago my friend could not do it he loves him so much now he is
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>
> Jill

Lots of vets want to PTS a cat diagnosed with FeLV immediately, whether
the cat is ill or not. You have to keep that in mind when seeing that
"3 years ago" part.
CatNipped - 27 Apr 2006 00:25 GMT
>>>>> my friends cat has f.l. and doctor wanted to put him to sleep 3
>>>>> years ago my friend could not do it he loves him so much now he is
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
> the cat is ill or not. You have to keep that in mind when seeing that "3
> years ago" part.

I always tend to err on the side of letting them live (as long as they're
eating and even somewhat enjoying their lives).  I always think about me
having Fibromyalgia and being in pretty significant pain 24/7.  Even living
with that is better to me than the alternative!  I still enjoy my life, my
family and friends, and especially my furbabies!  ;>  Most cats who are
really ready to die will quit eating and start looking for somewhere to go
off to to die (in nature they move away from their clowder so draw
scavengers away from their family).

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Christina Websell - 27 Apr 2006 01:38 GMT
>>>> my friends cat has f.l. and doctor wanted to put him to sleep 3
>>>> years ago my friend could not do it he loves him so much now he is
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>
> Jill

Don't forget Helen's Francis, still alive and well long after the vet
advised putting him down (how long now, Helen? please chip in here..)
It doesn't sound good now, but maybe three years ago was different - well
obviously it must have been, otherwise he'd be gone before now.
I thought your first post was harsh, Jill.  It's easy to see things in black
and white when you are removed from it.  It's not your pain.  Now imagine if
this was Persia.

Tweed
jmcquown - 27 Apr 2006 03:16 GMT
>>>>> my friends cat has f.l. and doctor wanted to put him to sleep 3
>>>>> years ago my friend could not do it he loves him so much now he is
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
>
> Tweed

But I also said in another post, I certainly don't advocate putting a cat to
sleep simply because it's been diagnosed with a disease.  Obviously we don't
know a thing about this cat, or even if there really *is* a cat, given we
have never heard of this poster before.

Jill
sriddles@aol.com - 27 Apr 2006 02:01 GMT
> >>> my friends cat has f.l. and doctor wanted to put him to sleep 3
> >>> years ago my friend could not do it he loves him so much now he is
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>
> Jill

A lot of vets think the only solution for FeLV is euthanasia. I think
that's partly because it *is* fatal, and partly because it is so
contagious they think every FeLV-positive cat is just going to go on
and infect other cats. I had a really good vet with Luke. She was
willing, and *encouraged* us to keep treating him as long as his
quality of life was good.

Sherry
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 27 Apr 2006 06:04 GMT
>>>>my friends cat has f.l. and doctor wanted to put him to sleep 3
>>>>years ago my friend could not do it he loves him so much now he is
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> the cat but I seriously doubt the vet would have recommended putting the cat
> to sleep just for grins.

You have more faith in vets than I!  (A medical degree does
not confer godhood, although some vets - and human M.D.'s -
seem to think it does.)  I can only judge from my own
experience with cats who had FLV.  As I said, I had the one
put to sleep on the vet's recommendation, even though it was
simply lethargic, and did not appear to be in any pain.  The
second lived for several years in what appeared to be
perfect health (which was why I regretted listening to the
vet who treated the first one.)

If the cat the OP mentioned IS in pain now, then perhaps the
time for goodbyes has come.  However it seems clear that the
cat's person has had three more years with it than she would
have had, if she'd listened to the vet who wanted to
euthanize it that long ago!

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Jo Firey - 26 Apr 2006 18:30 GMT
> my friends cat has f.l. and doctor wanted to put him to sleep 3 years ago
> my friend could not do it he loves him so much now he is getting real sic
> doctor gave him antibiotics and lasix. do you know what exactly they are
> for he is alot better please let me know if there is alternititve medicine
> that will help thank you

The antibiotics will help with infections the cat can no longer fight off.
The lasix will help remove fluid that is probably collecting in his lungs
and straining his heart.   They will temporarily help him feel better.  They
are not a cure.

If he is real sic, it is time to consider how long to let him suffer.

Jo
 
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