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jmcquown - 25 Apr 2006 17:25 GMT
Anyone remember 'The Blue Bird' starring Shirley Temple circa 1940?  It's
sort of along the lines of 'Hansel & Gretel' and 'The Wizard of Oz'.
Shirley's character is a spoiled little girl who thinks she has nothing.  A
faerie arrives and says she and her brother must go find the bluebird if she
ever wants to be happy.  Anyway, to accompany them on their journey the
faerie turns the bulldog and the cat into humans.

The "cat" is played by Gale Sondergaard and she is oh so catlike!
Completely disdainful of the dog, a bit snooty and very interested in going
on this hunt for the blue bird!

I haven't seen this film in at 30 years.  It will be fun to watch it all the
way through again, which I'm just about to do!

Jill
jmcquown - 25 Apr 2006 18:27 GMT
> Anyone remember 'The Blue Bird' starring Shirley Temple circa 1940?
> It's sort of along the lines of 'Hansel & Gretel' and 'The Wizard of
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>
> Jill

I completely forgot the "cat" was more than mischievous; they portrayed her
as evil and killed off her character. (sigh)

Jill
Chakolate - 26 Apr 2006 04:28 GMT
> I completely forgot the "cat" was more than mischievous; they
> portrayed her as evil and killed off her character. (sigh)

You didn't see that coming with Gale Sondergaard playing the part?

Chak

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jmcquown - 26 Apr 2006 04:47 GMT
>> I completely forgot the "cat" was more than mischievous; they
>> portrayed her as evil and killed off her character. (sigh)
>
> You didn't see that coming with Gale Sondergaard playing the part?
>
> Chak

This is the only film I've ever seen her in and it's been 30 years...

Jill
Chakolate - 26 Apr 2006 17:34 GMT
"jmcquown" <jmcquown@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:4b88q4F10cb17U1
@individual.net:

>> You didn't see that coming with Gale Sondergaard playing the part?

> This is the only film I've ever seen her in and it's been 30 years...

Oh.  Her main claim to fame is playing evil, scheming, voodoo-witch
sorts.  It's the sort of portfolio that makes me wonder what she was like
IRL.  :-)

Chak

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malice and those great motivators and justifiers of malice and stupidity:
idealism, dogmatism and proselytizing zeal on behalf of religous or
political ideas.
 --Aldous Huxley

jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 26 Apr 2006 21:11 GMT
> >> [...Gale Sondergaard...]

> Her main claim to fame is playing evil, scheming, voodoo-witch
> sorts.  It's the sort of portfolio that makes me wonder what she
> was like IRL.  :-)

Well, from everything I've heard and read, Kathy Bates is one of the
most well-adjusted, "normal" people around - no drugs, psychodramas,
temper tantrums, etc - and look at the kinds of characters *she* plays.
Sometimes I think actors like to play against their own personality,
just for the sheer novelty of it.

Joyce
jmcquown - 27 Apr 2006 03:17 GMT
>  > >> [...Gale Sondergaard...]
>
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>
> Joyce

Kathy Bates is from Memphis.  Used to perform in local playhouses before she
hit it big.  I've been told she's a very nice person :)

Jill
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 27 Apr 2006 04:42 GMT
> Kathy Bates is from Memphis.  Used to perform in local playhouses
> before she hit it big.  I've been told she's a very nice person :)

I actually met her once, rather briefly, at a book signing. She did
a reading from a new book that had just been published, written by a
friend of hers. It was fun. Not that you could tell that much about
a person by how they act in the two seconds they take to sign your
book, but she seemed very gracious. Even when the guy in front of
me shoved a screenplay at her and asked if she could pass it on to
someone influential (can you believe that?), she was gracious. She
just wrote down the name and address of her agent on the envelope and
was nice as can be. Inwardly, she must have been pretty annoyed at
that, although I suppose once you've made it in Hollywood, such things
are pretty uncommon. She's one of the few actors I would actually enjoy
meeting - she does seem really nice and down to earth, even if she is
gifted at playing psychos.

One time she appeared on Inside the Actors Studio (that show on Bravo
where actors talk before an audience of acting students about their
work, etc). The end of the show is formulaic, James Lipton (the host)
always asks the same set of questions to each guest. One of these questions
is "What is your favorite sound?" Kathy Bates answered, "The sound of
my dog eating cheetos". Had to love her after that. :)

Joyce
Chakolate - 29 Apr 2006 05:02 GMT
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net wrote in news:444fd3dc$0$1522
$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:

> > >> [...Gale Sondergaard...]
>
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> Sometimes I think actors like to play against their own personality,
> just for the sheer novelty of it.

Yeah, that's why I say I wonder about it.  One suspects she got out all
her frustrations playing evil on the screen and was a real sweetheart
IRL.  

And Kathy Bates in _Fried Green Tomatoes_ was wonderful.  *Especially*
the part where she rams the car of the snotty girls.  

Chak

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political ideas.
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Monique Y. Mudama - 29 Apr 2006 05:48 GMT
> And Kathy Bates in _Fried Green Tomatoes_ was wonderful.
> *Especially* the part where she rams the car of the snotty girls.  

The weird part is that some insurance company is now using that scene
to promote their car insurance.  Does anyone else see the oddness in
an insurance company using images of someone willfully ramming
someone's car to promote policies?

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 29 Apr 2006 08:31 GMT
> > And Kathy Bates in _Fried Green Tomatoes_ was wonderful.
> > *Especially* the part where she rams the car of the snotty girls.  

> The weird part is that some insurance company is now using that scene
> to promote their car insurance.  Does anyone else see the oddness in
> an insurance company using images of someone willfully ramming
> someone's car to promote policies?

LOL! I've seen that commercial, too.

"Sorry girls. I'm older and I have more insurance."

Yes, that's very ironic.

Joyce
jmcquown - 01 May 2006 22:49 GMT
>  > On 2006-04-29, Chakolate penned:
>  > >
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>
> Joyce

I'm betting everyone is getting paid a lot of royalties and last time I
checked no one was adverse to making money to promote a product or service.

Jill
Monique Y. Mudama - 01 May 2006 23:15 GMT
>>  > On 2006-04-29, Chakolate penned:
>>  > >
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> time I checked no one was adverse to making money to promote a
> product or service.

No argument here.  I just don't understand an insurance company using
that particular scene to advertise their insurance products.  Do they
really want to associate themselves with people who intentionally
cause vehicular damage?

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jmcquown - 01 May 2006 22:54 GMT
> jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net wrote in news:444fd3dc$0$1522
> $742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:
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>
> Chak

Have you ever actually tasted fried green tomatoes?  I'll have to say I
didn't until we stopped at a diner last summer on our way outside of
Huntsville, Alabama.  I'm not going to claim they are fantastic, nor am I
ever planning to make them at home.  They were dredged in a cornmeal mixture
(not even a batter, just dry cornmeal and some spices) and fried up crispy
and served with breakfast.  John ordered them, not me.  I tasted one.  I'd
have to say they rate about 1/3 on my meter for something I would *maybe*
try again.  Not exactly something to write home about.

Never saw the film but I do enjoy Kathy Bates as an actor.  She's good.

Jill
Matthew AKA NMR - 01 May 2006 23:11 GMT
>> jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net wrote in news:444fd3dc$0$1522
>> $742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:
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>
> Jill

Sounds like the cook did not do them right I almost bet that they fried them
in used oil instead of fresh like most places do.  Batter is used for real
ones  sounds like the cook did not know what he or she was doing

This was sent to me a while ago it is some where out on  the web  not sure
who is it but it is good
the recipe was wrote definitely by a Alabama girl
has a good alternative using pickles

Sweet's Fried Green Tomatoes
When choosing tomatoes for this recipe choose a nice (really
firm )tomato.Preferably the tomato is very light green in color and sounds
almost crispy when sliced.
Get your well seasoned black skillet out (I told ya to get one...*S*) and
put enough oil in it to cover the bottom (about 1/4 inch thick). I
personally don't like to have my tomatoes covered when frying. Get the
oil hot....not too hot to burn but hot enough
to sizzle when you put the tomatoes into it.
Next step.....LOL...I am writing this off the top of my head....can you
tell???
Grab a bag...any kind...I use a giant baggie..you use anything you wish.
Slice your green tomatoes (normal thickness)
Pour into the bag:
Flour
Season Salt (or any of your fave seasonings)
Pepper (How much?....Your preference)
Have two bowls ready.
One bowl crack a couple of eggs and stir well.
The second bowl just pour some flour into it.
Order of preparation:
Dip sliced tomato into flour in bowl
Then into the beaten egg and last-- into the bag with flour/season
salt/pepper mixture.
When your bag has enough tomatoes in it to shake....then shake vigorously...
From this bag put coated tomatos into the hot oil in skillet.
The tomatoes will not take long to cook....just check them in a few minutes
and turn...
after they are cooked on both sides to your preference, drain on a paper
towel.

Another variation of the above  recipe is to use dill pickles....
just buy the hamburger dills at the grocery store.
Skip the two bowls of egg and flour....just douse in the flour/season
salt/pepper
mixture and deep fat fry....talk about good!!!!!
Chakolate - 02 May 2006 04:07 GMT
> Sounds like the cook did not do them right I almost bet that they
> fried them in used oil instead of fresh like most places do.  Batter
> is used for real ones  sounds like the cook did not know what he or
> she was doing

Do you mean you think they were deep-fried?  I thought they were supposed
to be pan-fried.

Chak

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political ideas.
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Matthew AKA NMR - 02 May 2006 04:32 GMT
>> Sounds like the cook did not do them right I almost bet that they
>> fried them in used oil instead of fresh like most places do.  Batter
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>
> Chak

No a lot of times the restaurants don't change their oil like they are
supposed to or don't clean the pans all the way due to amount of food volume
they have to cook.  It can leave the food with after taste or ruin the meal
all together

And probably did deep fry them that would give it one heck of a oil after
taste and make them turn out like crap
Jo Firey - 02 May 2006 00:48 GMT
>> jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net wrote in news:444fd3dc$0$1522
>> $742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:
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> have to say they rate about 1/3 on my meter for something I would *maybe*
> try again.  Not exactly something to write home about.

A proper fried green tomato will be very similar to a good fried eggplant.
And it is just as easy to mess up as eggplant.

When I was growing up, my mother loved them and I wouldn't even taste them.
Now I've got Charlie trained on what to look for on a proper green tomato
for frying so he can get them for me at the farmers market.  A green tomato
will get pale before it turns pink and then red.  That is when they are
perfect.  Earlier and they can be bitter.

(Also raised on corn meal mush.  Both just cook, and fried.  Never heard of
polenta.)

Jo
Matthew AKA NMR - 02 May 2006 00:56 GMT
>>> jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net wrote in news:444fd3dc$0$1522
>>> $742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:
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>
> Jo

It is similar to grits  polenta is made from yellow corn
Jo Firey - 02 May 2006 01:29 GMT
>>>> jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net wrote in news:444fd3dc$0$1522
>>>> $742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:
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>
> It is similar to grits  polenta is made from yellow corn

Oh, I know now.  But back in the day we didn't let on to outsiders that we
ate and liked corn mush lest they feel sorry for us.

Polenta only differs from regular corn meal in that it is ground slightly
coarser.

Jo
Matthew AKA NMR - 02 May 2006 02:05 GMT
>>>>> jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net wrote in news:444fd3dc$0$1522
>>>>> $742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:
[quoted text clipped - 57 lines]
>
> Jo

I remember those days growing up in the back hills a lot of needy folks back
than up there.  You did not let people know you were eating  oatmeal  gruel
with thick molasses to give it taste, barley porridge, barley cakes, fat
back stew, barley and onion stew, bolled ( that is not misspelled ) beans,
boiled cabbage, long potatoes slices put raw into bacon grease and fried
until they had thin dark crusty rims along the edges. Burgoo

burgoo which is funny it is a county meal that was eaten by poor farm
families it fills you up completely, it will last for days and had
everything in it all you could find on a farm even a poor one.  But some how
it became a famous Kentucky meal.  Before you ask here is what it is.
Burgoo is a savory stew made from a varying array of ingredients. It is
often cooked in enormous iron kettles outdoors over an open flame. Cooking
can take as long as 30 hours and flavor improves as it ages.   The meats
could include any or all of the following meats: sheep, lamb, beef, pork,
chicken, veal( not likely in the  hills) possum, squirrel, raccoon. You will
also find some combination of these vegetables: potatoes, corn, carrots,
onions, lima beans, tomatoes, okra, black eye peas, green peas.  You get the
picture it is a slop meal what ever you have at your finger tips.  You ate
in a tin cup with a slice of thick home made white bread is how I was
raised.  after you ate it you weren't hungry no more it stuck to your ribs
to say
Jo Firey - 02 May 2006 02:46 GMT
>>>> A proper fried green tomato will be very similar to a good fried
>>>> eggplant. And it is just as easy to mess up as eggplant.
[quoted text clipped - 42 lines]
> how I was raised.  after you ate it you weren't hungry no more it stuck to
> your ribs to say

My mother was born in Patterson Creek WVa.  I suspect that meal would be
familiar.  I don't remember anything like that.  But I still miss the Apple
Butter that a friend of hers made every year.  Cooked in that black outdoor
iron kettle.

There is nothing to equal that taste.  I can make apple butter in the oven
and its pretty good, but just not quite the same.

Jo
Matthew AKA NMR - 02 May 2006 03:09 GMT
>>>>> A proper fried green tomato will be very similar to a good fried
>>>>> eggplant. And it is just as easy to mess up as eggplant.
[quoted text clipped - 53 lines]
>
> Jo
Every country  cook should have 2 things black iron skillet and a iron
kettle
http://www.tejassmokers.com/newproducts_page13.htm
http://www.pickyourown.org/applebutter.htm

I still have my families black iron tea kettle and pot.  I still use it I
have had them professional cleaned and everything.  During the winter back
home in Kentucky  when we had the fire going always put that tea kettle over
the fire to heat up. Get the kettle cooking in the backyard making preserves
and everything. Nothing beats the taste  The neighbors always tend to make
house calls about the same time

I don't know where you are in the world Jo but if you are near  go to this
in October it will bring back the feelings
http://www.berkeleysprings.com/apple/

Personally not the biggest fan of applesauce.  rather have a huckleberry,
cranberry or raspberry sauce and use them to make a butter
Jo Firey - 02 May 2006 05:24 GMT
>>>>>> A proper fried green tomato will be very similar to a good fried
>>>>>> eggplant. And it is just as easy to mess up as eggplant.
[quoted text clipped - 71 lines]
> Personally not the biggest fan of applesauce.  rather have a huckleberry,
> cranberry or raspberry sauce and use them to make a butter

That's the town where my brother retired.  And where my Grandparents are
buried.  Just a short way from Paw Paw where he was born.

Jo
Tanada - 03 May 2006 02:49 GMT
> I remember those days growing up in the back hills a lot of needy folks back
> than up there.  You did not let people know you were eating  oatmeal  gruel
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> raised.  after you ate it you weren't hungry no more it stuck to your ribs
> to say

We always called that "Hunters Stew."  We would start it on a Monday,
using whatever leftovers and foods we had in the pantry that looked
interesting and then add something every day.  Usually, whatever we
served up on Saturday would taste totally different than what we started
with.  I still make a mean stew, but I use more planning than we did
when I was starting out in the kitchen.

Pam S.
Chakolate - 02 May 2006 04:06 GMT
"jmcquown" <jmcquown@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:4bneddF122aulU1
@individual.net:

> Never saw the film but I do enjoy Kathy Bates as an actor.  She's good.

The book was even better than the movie.  

Chak

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Monique Y. Mudama - 02 May 2006 05:34 GMT
> "jmcquown" <jmcquown@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:4bneddF122aulU1
> @individual.net:
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>
> The book was even better than the movie.  

Seconded.  Actually, I would say the book was much better.  I liked
the movie, but after reading the book, the movie seemed far less
colorful.

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Matthew AKA NMR - 02 May 2006 05:33 GMT
>> "jmcquown" <jmcquown@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:4bneddF122aulU1
>> @individual.net:
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> the movie, but after reading the book, the movie seemed far less
> colorful.

Books always spoil the movies.  How many movies were better then the books
I can only think of a few
Monique Y. Mudama - 02 May 2006 15:02 GMT
> Books always spoil the movies.  How many movies were better then the
> books I can only think of a few

Yeah.  Well, I would say the original is almost always better than the
knockoff.  Books written to capitalize on the success of movies are
usually pretty bad.

Lucky for me I like to read =)  (More like, I'm obsessed with reading.
I always need to have something going.)

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Joy - 03 May 2006 00:45 GMT
> > Books always spoil the movies.  How many movies were better then the
> > books I can only think of a few
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Lucky for me I like to read =)  (More like, I'm obsessed with reading.
> I always need to have something going.)

Yes, I'm an inveterate reader, too.  It makes traveling difficult.  I
usually try to take paperbacks I don't think I'll want to read again.  Then,
as I finish one, I leave it in a drawer in the hotel room, on a seat in the
airport, in the pocket on a plane, etc., in the hope that someone will find
it and enjoy it.

Joy
Monique Y. Mudama - 03 May 2006 02:31 GMT
> Yes, I'm an inveterate reader, too.  It makes traveling difficult.
> I usually try to take paperbacks I don't think I'll want to read
> again.  Then, as I finish one, I leave it in a drawer in the hotel
> room, on a seat in the airport, in the pocket on a plane, etc., in
> the hope that someone will find it and enjoy it.

That's very generous!  I hoard my books selfishly.

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Matthew AKA NMR - 03 May 2006 02:37 GMT
>> Yes, I'm an inveterate reader, too.  It makes traveling difficult.
>> I usually try to take paperbacks I don't think I'll want to read
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> That's very generous!  I hoard my books selfishly.

Same here when we moved in to this house I had to donate 25   boxes full of
paperbacks and over 50 boxes full of  hard cover books to the library
Joy - 03 May 2006 03:04 GMT
> > Yes, I'm an inveterate reader, too.  It makes traveling difficult.
> > I usually try to take paperbacks I don't think I'll want to read
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> That's very generous!  I hoard my books selfishly.

I've run out of room in my four bookcases, so I'm rereading all my books and
deciding which ones I can part with.  I usually bring home some of the books
I took on a trip, but if I'm traveling around, jettisoning one every day or
two does make the luggage a little lighter for lugging around.  ;-)

Joy
Monique Y. Mudama - 03 May 2006 05:02 GMT
> I've run out of room in my four bookcases, so I'm rereading all my
> books and deciding which ones I can part with.  I usually bring home
> some of the books I took on a trip, but if I'm traveling around,
> jettisoning one every day or two does make the luggage a little
> lighter for lugging around.  ;-)

I've been eyeing wall space to see where I can fit the next book case
=P

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Chakolate - 03 May 2006 04:32 GMT
> Yes, I'm an inveterate reader, too.  It makes traveling difficult.  I
> usually try to take paperbacks I don't think I'll want to read again.
> Then, as I finish one, I leave it in a drawer in the hotel room, on a
> seat in the airport, in the pocket on a plane, etc., in the hope that
> someone will find it and enjoy it.

I do that, too, except that if I liked the book, I don't want to leave
it, and if I didn't, I feel like I'm littering by leaving it somewhere.  
:-p  

BTW, a friend told me that one way to have more room in the suitcase when
you travel is to pack your oldest, holiest underwear.  Then wear it and
toss it.  No laundry to wash, you get rid of old stuff, and you have more
room for souvenirs.  :-)

Chak

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Jo Firey - 03 May 2006 05:41 GMT
>> Yes, I'm an inveterate reader, too.  It makes traveling difficult.  I
>> usually try to take paperbacks I don't think I'll want to read again.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> toss it.  No laundry to wash, you get rid of old stuff, and you have more
> room for souvenirs.  :-)

I find it much easier to toss out old things when I'm traveling.  Not just
underwear.

Jo
Cathi - 04 May 2006 21:30 GMT
> Yes, I'm an inveterate reader, too.  It makes traveling difficult.  I
> usually try to take paperbacks I don't think I'll want to read again.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> find
> it and enjoy it.

Are you familiar with Bookcrossing?

Cathi
Chakolate - 02 May 2006 20:04 GMT
> Books always spoil the movies.  How many movies were better then the
> books I can only think of a few

Weren't the Star Wars books written before the movies?  I never much
cared for Star Wars, particularly, but the books were really dreadful.

Chak

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Monique Y. Mudama - 02 May 2006 22:48 GMT
>> Books always spoil the movies.  How many movies were better then
>> the books I can only think of a few
>
> Weren't the Star Wars books written before the movies?  I never much
> cared for Star Wars, particularly, but the books were really
> dreadful.

I don't think so ... there were a lot of SW books written, but I think
mostly after the original trilogy.  Or something.  I'm not really a
fan, but someone here probably is =)

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Tanada - 03 May 2006 03:08 GMT
> I don't think so ... there were a lot of SW books written, but I think
> mostly after the original trilogy.  Or something.  I'm not really a
> fan, but someone here probably is =)

I'm not much of a Star Wars book fan, either, but my son, Michael, is.
The first SW book was written after the movie, by Dean Foster, called
"Splinter of the Mind's Eye."  All of the books written since then are
either from the scripts or based on the LucasWorld. I suspect that he
even has a blue book (series bible) for authors so that the stories fit
more directly into the series.

Pam S.
Chakolate - 03 May 2006 04:27 GMT
Tanada <tanada@earthlink.net> wrote in news:9gU5g.6378$An2.6168
@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net:

> I'm not much of a Star Wars book fan, either, but my son, Michael, is.
> The first SW book was written after the movie, by Dean Foster,

If I'd known the name of the author I'd have known it was post-movie -
that's the hack that wrote most of the Star Trek books that were written
from the original series.  What a waste of paper.

Chak

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Monique Y. Mudama - 03 May 2006 05:01 GMT
> Tanada <tanada@earthlink.net> wrote in news:9gU5g.6378$An2.6168
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> - that's the hack that wrote most of the Star Trek books that were
> written from the original series.  What a waste of paper.

Alan Dean Foster?  I know that I've read a few of his books that I
liked.  He tends to be rather tongue in cheek, with a very obvious
love of cats.

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Chakolate - 03 May 2006 07:15 GMT
> Alan Dean Foster?  I know that I've read a few of his books that I
> liked.  He tends to be rather tongue in cheek, with a very obvious
> love of cats.

I did read somewhere that he was a bit hamstrung with what he could write
by the studio, but still, it was totally vanilla.  

Chak

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Monique Y. Mudama - 03 May 2006 17:31 GMT
>> Alan Dean Foster?  I know that I've read a few of his books that I
>> liked.  He tends to be rather tongue in cheek, with a very obvious
>> love of cats.
>
> I did read somewhere that he was a bit hamstrung with what he could
> write by the studio, but still, it was totally vanilla.  

Yeah, I'm not saying he's Shakespeare, but I've enjoyed some of his
books.

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 03 May 2006 05:19 GMT
>> The first SW book was written after the movie, by Dean Foster,

> If I'd known the name of the author I'd have known it was post-movie -
> that's the hack that wrote most of the Star Trek books that were written
> from the original series.  What a waste of paper.

Were those books written from the Star Trek movies as well?

I read the novelization of Star Trek II (Wrath of Khan), which was
written by Vonda McIntyre, who is pretty well-respected in the sf world.
I enjoyed the book a lot, and in fact it went into the science of the
"Genesis" experiment a lot more than the movie did. (This was the best
of all the ST movies, IMO.)

The worst novelization I've ever read was the one from Close Encounters
of the Third Kind. I liked that movie a lot, but the book was horrible.
As a rule, I don't read novelizations of movies, especially after that
experience!

Joyce
Joy - 03 May 2006 00:44 GMT
> >> "jmcquown" <jmcquown@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:4bneddF122aulU1
> >> @individual.net:
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> Books always spoil the movies.  How many movies were better then the books
> I can only think of a few

Books written after the movie is made are disappointing.  Movies made from
books rarely live up to the book.  I can only think of two instances where I
felt the book and the movie were equally good, mainly because they were very
close to each other.  Those cases are "The Green Mile" and "Harold and
Maude".  I haven't read "Fried Green Tomatoes...", or I might agree that
it's a third.

Joy
Chakolate - 03 May 2006 04:29 GMT
> Books written after the movie is made are disappointing.  Movies made
> from books rarely live up to the book.  I can only think of two
> instances where I felt the book and the movie were equally good,
> mainly because they were very close to each other.  Those cases are
> "The Green Mile" and "Harold and Maude".  I haven't read "Fried Green
> Tomatoes...", or I might agree that it's a third.

Oh, then I'm definitely going to have to read both of those books - I
loved the movies.

Chak

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Chakolate - 02 May 2006 07:07 GMT
> Seconded.  Actually, I would say the book was much better.  I liked
> the movie, but after reading the book, the movie seemed far less
> colorful.

Yup.  You just didn't get the same feel for the characters as you did in
the book.  

Chak

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Adrian A - 02 May 2006 10:20 GMT
> "jmcquown" <jmcquown@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:4bneddF122aulU1
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> The book was even better than the movie.

That's true for a lot of books made into movies.
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Jane - 02 May 2006 13:12 GMT
>>> Never saw the film but I do enjoy Kathy Bates as an actor.  She's
>>> good.
>>
>> The book was even better than the movie.
>
>That's true for a lot of books made into movies.

That's true for just about ALL books made into movies.  Movies just can't
do a book justice.  Gone With the Wind was good, but still nowhere as
good as the book.

The Lord of the Rings trilogy did a very good job, but they had cut out
huge chunks of the books in order to keep the movies down to a reasonable
time.

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Joy - 03 May 2006 00:49 GMT
> >>> Never saw the film but I do enjoy Kathy Bates as an actor.  She's
> >>> good.
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>
> Jane

That is one of the two problems with making a book into a movie.  A lot
always has to be cut.  The other problem often occurs when the producer,
director or screenwriter thinks they can improve on the original.  They
almost never can't.  I do have to say that I thought the ending of "The
Shining" was better in the Stanley Kubrik movie.  However, I hated most of
the other changes.  I think King must have hated them too, because years
later he supervised the making of a TV movie that was much closer to the
book.

I did think that "The Green Mile" and "Harold and Maude" were as good as
movies as the books were.  I used to think I liked whichever I encountered
first.  If I read the book first, I didn't like the movie as much, and vice
versa.  However, I read "The Green Mile" before I saw the movie, and "Harold
and Maud" after seeing the movie.

Joy
Joy - 03 May 2006 00:40 GMT
> jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net wrote in news:444fd3dc$0$1522
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> Chak

Yes, she was, and that part was great!

Joy
Joy - 03 May 2006 00:40 GMT
>  > >> [...Gale Sondergaard...]
>
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>
> Joyce

I suspect that's mostly true, but I also suspect there are exceptions.  I'm
thinking of Jack Nickleson, for example.  I wouldn't want to meet him in a
dark alley, or a spooky old house.  ;-)

Joy
Matthew AKA NMR - 03 May 2006 01:14 GMT
>>  > >> [...Gale Sondergaard...]
>>
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>
> Joy

He is a nut job ain't he
Chakolate - 03 May 2006 04:28 GMT
> I suspect that's mostly true, but I also suspect there are exceptions.
>  I'm thinking of Jack Nickleson, for example.  I wouldn't want to meet
> him in a dark alley, or a spooky old house.  ;-)

Still, I suspect he was a normal sort of fellow until he started to
believe his own publicity.  

Chak

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