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When I used to share a flat years ago with a girl who was owned by a large tom cat called (surprisingly) Thomas - she used to get melts for him from the butcher, sometimes she boiled it (gross) sometimes she gave it to him raw (even more gross). He used to practically attack her when she came in with it, could hardly get it in his bowl, then he used to eat it down quickly then bounce off the walls, I always put it down to too much raw protein! I've never given it to Otis, because to be honest it makes me gag. Has anyone else ever given their cat melts, and what was the reaction? Marcia What are melts? > When I used to share a flat years ago with a girl who was owned by a > large tom cat called (surprisingly) Thomas - she used to get melts for [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Marcia > What are melts? An internal organ from beef not often eaten by humans. Aside from that I've no idea, and would probably rather not know! :-)  SignatureNewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth > > What are melts? > > An internal organ from beef not often eaten by humans. > Aside from that I've no idea, and would probably rather not > know! :-)//// It's not the same as *Tripe* is it? Butchers catfood, which is what i use for the my guys has a fairly large proportion in it and they *love* the stuff! Helen M >>> What are melts? >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Helen M I always understood tripe to be the cow's stomach, no dout it's called different things in different parts of the country. SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera) Cats leave pawprints on your heart. http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk > I always understood tripe to be the cow's stomach, no dout it's called > different things in different parts of the country. That's what I thought, but I'm a bit squeamish about organ meats, and don't tend to eat them. Well, not unless they are in sausages or hotdogs, but with some of the cheaper versions of some of those foods, it's perhaps best not to wonder what's in them. Cats do seem to love organ meats, though, which is quite natural and normal considering they're carnivores. I used to buy the 500 mL (2 cup) containers of frozen chicken hearts for them. They adored them, particularly when raw, but they used to drag them across the floor with little warning growls, leaving trails of blood. They never quite realized I wasn't going to snatch the hearts back! They ate them cooked and cut up, too, but with a little less enthusiasm. I've also given them livers once in a while, and when I bought half a lamb for the freezer, I said I didn't want the innards, but then, remembering the cats, changed my mind, and got the liver, kidneys and heart. The cats were in seventh heaven. I've heard the term 'lights' for the lungs etc., but never eaten them or fed them to the cats, and never heard the term 'melts' in this contact before this thread. SignatureCheryl Sorry, I think it (or they) are offal (awful too!) - I'm not sure what animal it came from, but it was really cheap, and I assume a by-product that the butcher practically gave away as he presumably didn't sell it for human consumption. I've just googled it and couldn't find it, so maybe it's an old term, but I remember her going in to the butchers and asking for a bag of melts! Sorry. Marcia > What are melts? > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > > > Marcia Must be something else than what I am thinking what I am talking about you can use when making soups to add flavor like drop in the ham bone to give flavor to the soup > Sorry, I think it (or they) are offal (awful too!) - I'm not sure what > animal it came from, but it was really cheap, and I assume a by-product [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >> > >> > Marcia > Sorry, I think it (or they) are offal (awful too!) - I'm not sure what > animal it came from, but it was really cheap, and I assume a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Marcia I remember in the 1950's and 60's it was common in britain to feed cats, lights. I often wonder why they have to come up with diiferent names, lights are lungs and bronchial tubes. It obviously didn't do the cats any harm, Figaro, the cat I grew up with, often ate lights and she lived for just over 20 years. SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera) Cats leave pawprints on your heart. http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk >> Sorry, I think it (or they) are offal (awful too!) - I'm not sure >> what animal it came from, but it was really cheap, and I assume a [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > the cats any harm, Figaro, the cat I grew up with, often ate lights > and she lived for just over 20 years. Lights and the "pluck" of a sheep are common ingredients in Haggis, along with the oats, of course :) Jill > When I used to share a flat years ago with a girl who was owned by a > large tom cat called (surprisingly) Thomas - she used to get melts for [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Marcia Ok Marcia you got to remember some of us are not in the UK when you say melts to me here in the southern USA it means pork, lamb, turkey or beef fat by products sometimes hog jowl can be considered a melt here. Is that what you mean >> When I used to share a flat years ago with a girl who was owned by a >> large tom cat called (surprisingly) Thomas - she used to get melts for [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > fat by products sometimes hog jowl can be considered a melt here. > Is that what you mean And to me it has always meant a roast beef or hamburger sandwich with cheese! MLB I'll never look at another patty melt in quite the same way after this, that's for sure! I think perhaps I did not need to know what "Melts" are. Of course, I'm sure I'd rather not know what's in commercial cat food, either. I was feeding my cats a raw food diet for a while, but my pocket book couldn't take the heat, after a while. Melissa > I'll never look at another patty melt in quite the same way after > this, that's for sure! [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Melissa When I was a kid, we fed the cats organ meet. The butcher would often give us liver and kidneys for free We could also buy a big can of sardines for a dime. MLB >>> When I used to share a flat years ago with a girl who was owned by a >>> large tom cat called (surprisingly) Thomas - she used to get melts for [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >And to me it has always meant a roast beef or hamburger sandwich with >cheese! MLB I am also a lifelong resident of the southern USA, and the "meat sandwich with melted cheese" was the only definition of a melt I was aware of. I had never heard before of a blob of rendered fat being called a melt. SignatureJohn F. Eldredge -- john@jfeldredge.com PGP key available from http://pgp.mit.edu "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria >>>> When I used to share a flat years ago with a girl who was owned by a >>>> large tom cat called (surprisingly) Thomas - she used to get melts for [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > aware of. I had never heard before of a blob of rendered fat being > called a melt. Yeappie we in the USA here the words melt first thing we think of is a Pattie melt or a type of meat melt but we also think of pastries when we hear sweetbreads I have learned way too much in the cooking field for my own good sometimes the southerners would call it hog jowl or fat back they kind you slip into the beans to give it flavor I heard it called melts before at a couple butcher shops down here but to come to think about it they were run by people with overseas heritage > > When I used to share a flat years ago with a girl who was owned by a > > large tom cat called (surprisingly) Thomas - she used to get melts for [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > fat by products sometimes hog jowl can be considered a melt here. > Is that what you mean I'm in the UK and I haven't a clue what Marcia is talking about. I've never heard of 'melts' in my life, of any description. Jeanette >> > When I used to share a flat years ago with a girl who was owned by a >> > large tom cat called (surprisingly) Thomas - she used to get melts for [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Jeanette "Melts" are spleens, and very yummy for cats/dogs in the 60/70's when you had *proper* butchers. Tweed >>> > When I used to share a flat years ago with a girl who was owned by a >>> > large tom cat called (surprisingly) Thomas - she used to get melts for [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Tweed GOD I fell old now that is it I am calling the retirement home break out the wheel chair, the cane and the walker where is my Jell-O snack and my sponge bath with the cute nurse >>>> > When I used to share a flat years ago with a girl who was owned by a >>>> > large tom cat called (surprisingly) Thomas - she used to get melts [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > the cane and the walker where is my Jell-O snack and my sponge bath with > the cute nurse LOL, I know what you mean. I remember going to the local butcher in town with my mother and getting free wieners to gnaw. I was a cute little nipper back then. What the hell happened. LOL. >>>>> > When I used to share a flat years ago with a girl who was owned by a >>>>> > large tom cat called (surprisingly) Thomas - she used to get melts [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > with my mother and getting free wieners to gnaw. I was a cute little > nipper back then. What the hell happened. LOL. OK, I've got to ask. What are wieners? Tweed >>>>>> > When I used to share a flat years ago with a girl who was owned by >>>>>> > a [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > Tweed Wow, I thought this one was universal. I guess you would call them frankfurters, the inside of a hotdog, bangers (not quite), tube steaks or in my Grandfather's colouful language eyeballs and ........ > > OK, I've got to ask. What are wieners? > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > frankfurters, the inside of a hotdog, bangers (not quite), tube steaks or in > my Grandfather's colouful language eyeballs and ........ lol, NOTHING is universal. I guess the 'melts' thing must be Southern English, I used to go to the butchers for my mum every Saturday morning back in the 1970s, and she'd buy anything that was cheap, for us or the dog. 'Melts' were never mentioned by her or by anyone else in the shop, I know I would have asked if I'd heard an unfamiliar word. The Americanism "Weiner", I had heard of, but I thought it meant penis. I suppose there's a lot of crossover in slang words for penises and sausages though, wherever you live. Jeanette >> > OK, I've got to ask. What are wieners? >> > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > suppose there's a lot of crossover in slang words for penises and sausages > though, wherever you live. More likely to be used as an insult these days, but I guess it's the same general idea, ala Schmuck. > Jeanette > lol, NOTHING is universal. I guess the 'melts' thing must be Southern > English, I used to go to the butchers for my mum every Saturday morning back > in the 1970s, and she'd buy anything that was cheap, for us or the dog. > 'Melts' were never mentioned by her or by anyone else in the shop, I know I > would have asked if I'd heard an unfamiliar word. Not particularly "southern" - I'd never been further south than Iowa, until I moved to California, and it was a common enough word when I was growing up in the Midwest. (Just not something PEOPLE ate.) > The Americanism "Weiner", I had heard of, but I thought it meant penis. That, too! :-) SignatureNewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth > > lol, NOTHING is universal. I guess the 'melts' thing must be Southern > > English, I used to go to the butchers for my mum every Saturday morning back [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > enough word when I was growing up in the Midwest. (Just not > something PEOPLE ate.) :-) When I said Southern English, I meant Southern English, not Southern American. Jeanette >> > lol, NOTHING is universal. I guess the 'melts' thing must be Southern >> > English, I used to go to the butchers for my mum every Saturday morning [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Jeanette Heh. We don't regard outselves as "Southern" here in Leicestershire. Maybe it's a generational thing as I'm talking about late 60's/70's when there were "family butchers" everywhere who would go to market and buy their meat "on the hoof" so they had the whole animal: consequently there were lots of bits left over which they used to mince up for people to buy for their pets. The advent of the large supermarkets has pretty well done away with these butchers unfortunately. There are other reasons too. A lot of the smaller slaughterhouses have had to go out of business as they couldn't afford to upgrade to comply with EU regulations. Also as wealth has increased only the finest cuts of meat are popular. Leg of lamb, breast of chicken, steak. What's to be done with the rest of the animal? It's not surprising that these old-fashioned butchers are going out of business, is it? Now hands up anyone (nostalgia !) who could go to a butcher's shop now and ask for 2lbs beast's heart (cow), 1lb ox liver, some melts and lights (and any other nice stuff that fell on the floor) to make up a stew for the dogs and get some huge marrow bones thrown in for free for them to chomp on and keep their teeth sparkly clean. No need for dental work, ever. A few veggies thrown into this stew and served over dog biscuits with the gravy was probably far better than the processed food bought nowadays. A pig's head needed to be boiled for a while, we could also get sheep's heads and I preferred it if the butcher had skinned them first. A sheep's head makes marvellous brawn for a dog to eat. I remember saying to the butcher "why haven't you been able to get me a sheep's head for my dogs for a while, I keep asking you?" This must have annoyed him. The next time I went in he said "Oh, I've got you a sheep's head for your dogs." and he handed me something wrapped in newspaper. When I got it home and unwrapped it, it was a sheep's head "as is." Just a severed sheep's head, wool, eyes, ears, the lot. So I skinned and cleaned it myself, pressure cooked it and made a nice brawn that lasted the dogs several days. I went back to the butcher a few days later and said "could you get me another one of those sheep's heads for my dogs please?" The next one came skinned and ready to cook. Tweed Ah, the old days... > Also as wealth has increased only the finest cuts of meat are popular. > Leg of lamb, breast of chicken, steak. What's to be done with the > rest of the animal? Not to mention that you can't trust recipes anymore! Most recipes expect four chicken breasts to be about one pound. I'm hard pressed to find *two* that weigh *only* a pound! Poor chickens. I'd imagine it makes it awfully difficult to breathe. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca >>Also as wealth has increased only the finest cuts of meat are popular. >>Leg of lamb, breast of chicken, steak. What's to be done with the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Poor chickens. I'd imagine it makes it awfully difficult to breathe. WEll, maybe not. It may be that chickens commercially raised for food are bred for size. (I don't imagine a Great Dane has any more difficulty breathing than a Chihuahua - they're built in proportion, so probably the larger chickens are, too.) SignatureNewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth >> Poor chickens. I'd imagine it makes it awfully difficult to >> breathe. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > difficulty breathing than a Chihuahua - they're built in proportion, > so probably the larger chickens are, too.) Well, that's true. I don't know. For some reason I thought they were breeding chickens for breast size, but I can't find anything online about it. The part of me that's extremely waste-conscious worries about the fact that we're all told to eat white meat, and where does the rest go? And then I think, well, people who can't afford it probably buy the cheaper dark meat, and then I feel even more guilty. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca >>> Poor chickens. I'd imagine it makes it awfully difficult to >>> breathe. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > And then I think, well, people who can't afford it probably buy the > cheaper dark meat, and then I feel even more guilty. I buy the dark meat. Not because it's cheaper, but because I like it way better. I'm sure there are more like me out there. Of course I also buy the white meat, but it depends on what I'm making. SignatureBritta Purring is an automatic safety valve device for dealing with happiness overflow. Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album > I buy the dark meat. Not because it's cheaper, but because I like > it way better. I'm sure there are more like me out there. Of > course I also buy the white meat, but it depends on what I'm making. That's true. Actually, I think a lot of people prefer dark meat. When I was a kid, I always ate legs and wings because the breast meat grossed me out (since, after all, you see the rib cage). Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca Plus usually the dark meat is juicier when cooked >> I buy the dark meat. Not because it's cheaper, but because I like >> it way better. I'm sure there are more like me out there. Of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > When I was a kid, I always ate legs and wings because the breast meat > grossed me out (since, after all, you see the rib cage). >>>> Poor chickens. I'd imagine it makes it awfully difficult to >>>> breathe. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > way better. I'm sure there are more like me out there. Of course I > also buy the white meat, but it depends on what I'm making. IMHO The dark meat of chicken and turkey has more flavor. I find the white meat rather "flat". MLB >>>>> Poor chickens. I'd imagine it makes it awfully difficult to >>>>> breathe. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > IMHO The dark meat of chicken and turkey has more flavor. I find the > white meat rather "flat". MLB Yup. I use the dark meat for BBQing and stuff like that and I use the white meat for stir fries and things that have lots of sauces, etc, to moisten it up. SignatureBritta Purring is an automatic safety valve device for dealing with happiness overflow. Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album >> Also as wealth has increased only the finest cuts of meat are popular. >> Leg of lamb, breast of chicken, steak. What's to be done with the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Poor chickens. I'd imagine it makes it awfully difficult to breathe. I've got the idea that when chicken goes on sale they are getting too many larger (older) birds and lower the price. In any case and the regular price I seem to find normal size chicken parts, and on sale they are huge. Jo > Heh. We don't regard outselves as "Southern" here in Leicestershire. > Maybe it's a generational thing as I'm talking about late 60's/70's when [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > Tweed > Ah, the old days... I know what you mean. See my other post on living as a kid above a butcher store in the market and saw whole carcasses being carried into the store. There are a few butcher stores in the market here. But I doubt they have things like heart. They do sell more exotic meats like caribou and emu etc. On the other hand, there is a store in Chinatown where you can see pig heads and ears for sale in buckets right by the meat counter. When I go buy meat there, I have to lean over these buckets Its kind of gross. Winnie >Ah, the old days... Not so old. In the country near here there are still small slaughter houses that process one or two animals at a time for their customers. The slaughter houses are inspected by the Department of Agriculture and meet the same sanitation standards as the big operations. The customers have either a small herd or buy a feeder calf to raise. My late uncle kept a few cows and a bull and sold the calves. He was retired from the post office and did this as a hobby. I think he got just enough income to pay for the animals' keep. Some of the slaughter houses also process deer. Last year's deer season in Tennessee alone was over 160,000 deer, which is a lot of venison. Because of regulations none of the slaughter houses I've seen had pets. >>Ah, the old days... > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Because of regulations none of the slaughter houses I've seen had > pets. Woman I used to work with used to buy a lamb every spring and raise it to be slaughtered. I had difficulty understanding how she could do so (since she always made pets of them) but she was allergic to most meat and poultry (other than lamb and turkey), and I guess it was a lot cheaper to raise your own than buy it in the stores. (Oddly enough, I wouldn't have had nearly so much difficulty accepting her raising turkeys - they lack the charisma of lambs, I guess.) SignatureNewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth > ... I had difficulty >understanding how she could do so (since she always made >pets of them) ... I remember hearing or reading somewhere "I don't want to have a first name relationship with my food". >> ... I had difficulty >>understanding how she could do so (since she always made >>pets of them) ... > I remember hearing or reading somewhere "I don't want to have a first > name relationship with my food". I saw a documentary on a farm family in which they were discussing the quality of the meat they raised over dinner, and one of them said reflectively, "This (the meat they were eating) was <name>, wasn't it?", and the others agreed. I've bought local lamb, but I don't even see it alive; the farmer chooses the lamb, and makes all the arrangements for slaughter and butchering. I think he must farm on a much larger scale than the family in the documentary, and I doubt if he gives each sheep a name. SignatureCheryl >>understanding how she could do so (since she always made >>pets of them) ... > >I remember hearing or reading somewhere "I don't want to have a first >name relationship with my food". Yeah, I couldn't do that either. My father thought it would be cool if I got a pig to raise while I was in my last year of college, so we could have a pig roast for my graduation party. I just couldn't imagine eating something that I'd raised. As far as I'm concerned, meat comes from the supermarket wrapped in plastic. It does NOT come from any animals that I've seen. Please don't ruin my illusion. heehee Jane - owned and operated by Princess Rita You got used to that on the farm. The one rule was that if we were raising for food it ain't a pet it was for selling or eating. Still brought a tear to your eyes when you had to explain the chickens that the nieces and nephews were playing with were the supper we were eating now >>>understanding how she could do so (since she always made >>>pets of them) ... [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Jane > - owned and operated by Princess Rita >>>lol, NOTHING is universal. I guess the 'melts' thing must be Southern >>>English, I used to go to the butchers for my mum every Saturday morning [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > :-) When I said Southern English, I meant Southern English, not Southern > American. Ah. Sorry! SignatureNewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth >> > OK, I've got to ask. What are wieners? >> > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >suppose there's a lot of crossover in slang words for penises and sausages >though, wherever you live. My dictionary (Random House Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, 1991 edition) gives "the spleen, esp. of a cow or pig when used for food" as one of the definitions of melt, and states that the usage is mostly Scotland and Northern England. I would guess that usage of this term in the American South would be mainly in areas with a mostly Scottish or Northern English derived population, such as Appalachia. I lived in western Appalachia for six years as a teenager (Campbellsville, Kentucky), and never encountered the term, but I don't recall that spleens ever came up in conversation. "Weiner" is a loan-word from German, where it is an adjective meaning "from Wien" (the German name for Vienna, Austria). "Frankfurter" is another German loan word, meaning "from Frankfurt". Both terms are now used more-or-less interchangeably in America for the same style of sausage, as is the slang term "hot dog". "Vienna sausage", on the other hand, usually refers to a slightly different type of sausage, typically sold in cans and precut to a couple of inches (about 5 cm) in length. Vienna sausages tend to be made of the cheapest of ingredients, with a very high fat content and very little seasonings. SignatureJohn F. Eldredge -- john@jfeldredge.com PGP key available from http://pgp.mit.edu "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria >>>>>> > When I used to share a flat years ago with a girl who was owned by a >>>>>> > large tom cat called (surprisingly) Thomas - she used to get melts [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > Hot Dogs - Frankfurters - Weenies! Served in a long bun with mustard, pickles and occasionally onions. MLB >>>>>>> > When I used to share a flat years ago with a girl who was owned by >>>>>>> > a [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] >> Hot Dogs - Frankfurters - Weenies! > Served in a long bun with mustard, pickles and occasionally onions. MLB and CHEEZ!!! -- Smokey da Kat >>>>>>>>>When I used to share a flat years ago with a girl who was owned by >>>>>>>>>a [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] >>> >>>Hot Dogs - Frankfurters - Weenies! Also known as "Vienna" sausage. Rather tasteless - like bologna - but kids seem to like them. (Also adults at ball games, etc.) >>Served in a long bun with mustard, pickles and occasionally onions. MLB > > and CHEEZ!!! > > -- > Smokey da Kat SignatureNewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth >>>>>>>>>>When I used to share a flat years ago with a girl who was owned by >>>>>>>>>>a [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] >> -- >> Smokey da Kat vienna Sausage comes in tiny cans here and are in the "cocktail sausage" classification -- not at all like hot dog weiners. MLB >>>>>>>>>>>When I used to share a flat years ago with a girl who was owned >>>>>>>>>>>by [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > vienna Sausage comes in tiny cans here and are in the "cocktail sausage" > classification -- not at all like hot dog weiners. MLB Same here very little taste need salt, pepper, mustard and other assorted condiments usual a good mustard relish sauce makes them taste better >>Also known as "Vienna" sausage. Rather tasteless - like >>bologna - but kids seem to like them. (Also adults at ball >>games, etc.) > vienna Sausage comes in tiny cans here and are in the "cocktail sausage" > classification -- not at all like hot dog weiners. MLB I didn't think it necessary to point out that a miniature version is available in cans - I thought everyone KNEW they were the same thing! ("Vienna" in English = "Wien" in German - hence "wiener/vienna" sausage.) SignatureNewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth >>>Also known as "Vienna" sausage. Rather tasteless - like bologna - but >>>kids seem to like them. (Also adults at ball games, etc.) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > available in cans - I thought everyone KNEW they were the same thing! > ("Vienna" in English = "Wien" in German - hence "wiener/vienna" sausage.) Evelyn, There is a wide audience here, a worldwide one. I didn't know what a wiener was so I am unlikely to know it's available in cans IN THE USA. I don't live in the USA. Everyone does *not* live in the USA where wieners are apparently popular ;-) I hope I can ask these things from my American friends here, if I hear a term I don't know and no, not every KNOWS over here what a wiener is. Who can describe, for example "Lancashire hotpot." or "Cumberland sausage?" What do you mean you don't know? I thought everyone did. (Translates into "I do, why don't you?") Tweed >>>>Also known as "Vienna" sausage. Rather tasteless - like bologna - but >>>>kids seem to like them. (Also adults at ball games, etc.) [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > sausage?" What do you mean you don't know? I thought everyone did. > (Translates into "I do, why don't you?") Huh? I KNOW many of you would not be familiar with "wiener" as such, but if you'll look at the post to which I was responding, it was SFAIK from an American, who admitted to being familiar with the canned variety, and was disputing that they were the same as the full-sized fresh ones (with which she is also familiar). Also, if you'll read her post, it was SHE who was telling me they had no relationship - how is either remark aimed at you? Don't look for "insults" where none exist! (If you're "creative" enough you can probably find some, but at least concentrate on posts that were directed to you, before you do so.) SignatureNewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth >> vienna Sausage comes in tiny cans here and are in the "cocktail >> sausage" classification -- not at all like hot dog weiners. MLB [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > thing! ("Vienna" in English = "Wien" in German - hence > "wiener/vienna" sausage.) Except that they're not used the same way. You don't go grilling the little vienna sausages. People don't typically eat hot dogs raw. I know that Vienna = Wein and still don't see how that says anything about vienna sausages. Frankfurters don't have much to do with Frankfurt; Hamburgers have nothing to do with Hamburg. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca >>>vienna Sausage comes in tiny cans here and are in the "cocktail >>>sausage" classification -- not at all like hot dog weiners. MLB [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Except that they're not used the same way. You don't go grilling the > little vienna sausages. No? It's been know, when serving them as hors d'ouevres. People don't typically eat hot dogs raw. When did you last ENCOUNTER a "raw" hot dog? All those I've ever seen come prepackaged, and are marked "fully cooked". ....I'm sure I'm not the only person who's ever eaten them straight from the package, cold - if I eat them at all, that is. (If I'm going to consume all that fat, I at least want a sausage with some flavor, to make it worth the calories!) SignatureNewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth >> Except that they're not used the same way. You don't go grilling >> the little vienna sausages. > > No? It's been know, when serving them as hors d'ouevres. Okay, I guess *I've* never seen those things grilled. > People don't typically eat hot dogs raw. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > consume all that fat, I at least want a sausage with some flavor, to > make it worth the calories!) Okay, I guess I didn't mean raw, just fresh out of the package -- and it turns my stomach just to think of eating one like that! (I can't say the same for the little ones -- go figure! -- although to be honest I don't think I've had a vienna sausage since I was a kid.) Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca >>>>>>> > When I used to share a flat years ago with a girl who was owned by >>>>>>> > a [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] >> Hot Dogs - Frankfurters - Weenies! > Served in a long bun with mustard, pickles and occasionally onions. MLB Don't forget the chili and cheese with sweet relish >>>> > When I used to share a flat years ago with a girl who was owned by a >>>> > large tom cat called (surprisingly) Thomas - she used to get melts [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > the cane and the walker where is my Jell-O snack and my sponge bath with > the cute nurse Lol! My cousin has a wonderful retirement home. Her residents are cared for "like I would want my parents to be cared for." The food is fabulous, lots of choices, smoked salmon if they want it/ There are baths, even sponge baths, but not with cute nurses. it's all very professional. There is no smell in there like there is often in retirement homes. Each bedroom has a toilet and bathroom attached. I said to my cousin that if ever I needed to go into a home I'd like to go into that one, but she reminded me that we were the same age and maybe we would go into a room next to each other if one of her daughters would continue to run it. Tweed >>I'm in the UK and I haven't a clue what Marcia is talking about. I've >>never [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > "Melts" are spleens, and very yummy for cats/dogs in the 60/70's when you > had *proper* butchers. That's what they call them in the U.S., too, SFAIK - perhaps they just don't make it as far as the butcher shop anymore, but are side-tracked to the pet-food manufacturers before they get there. Especially in America, people seem very leery of eating "organ" meat (other than liver and heart). Tongue and kidney are mostly available only by special order unless you live in a neghborhood where there is a demand for them, and tripe is more likely to be sold in hispanic neighborhoods (as "menudo"). As you say, that may well be due to the lack of "proper" butcher shops, since most meat sold here is neatly pre-packaged in our super markets, even though there is usually a "live" butcher available to handle special requests. SignatureNewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth >>>I'm in the UK and I haven't a clue what Marcia is talking about. I've >>>never [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > even though there is usually a "live" butcher available to handle special > requests. Used to be that a butcher shop would get in the entire carcass. Now what arrives at the store to be cut up is already cut down pretty far. So you can't find things like nice bones for your dog or good soup bones anymore. They cut the heavy bones that they can't sell for a good price out before they ship to the stores. I used to love to cook a pot roast that had a round bone in the center of it. Can't buy them anywhere anymore. Jo We still have a store that does the whole cow, pig, turkey, chicken near us. They call me up when they have an over stock of organ meat to take to the shelter; which is right down the road. Wow the cats go nuts and the staff runs for the toilet >>>>I'm in the UK and I haven't a clue what Marcia is talking about. I've >>>>never [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Jo > We still have a store that does the whole cow, pig, turkey, chicken > near us. They call me up when they have an over stock of organ meat > to take to the shelter; which is right down the road. Wow the cats > go nuts and the staff runs for the toilet How nice to get the shelter kitties something to go nuts over =) Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca Jo Firey <jofirey@sbcglobal.net> wrote in article > I used to love to cook a pot roast that had a round bone in the center of > it. Can't buy them anywhere anymore. Could you get one if you bought meat in bulk? OK, I've only done this with sheep, and a cow is a *lot* more meat than a sheep so it might not be practical for you, but the farmer who sold me the sheep said it was going to be cut up in a licensed facility, and asked if I had any preferences in how the meat was cut up. The earlier comments are borne out here, too, there are almost no local butchers who prepare their own meats for sale; most of it is shipped in pre-cut from distant places. Cheryl > Used to be that a butcher shop would get in the entire carcass. Now what > arrives at the store to be cut up is already cut down pretty far. So you > can't find things like nice bones for your dog or good soup bones anymore. > They cut the heavy bones that they can't sell for a good price out before > they ship to the stores. Now you reminded of the days when I was a kid and lived right in the market area, above a butcher shop. Every day I saw men carrying an entire carcass into the shop. It was kind of gross, but you knew the meat was quite fresh. Also saw live chickens in cages, fresh fish swimming in tanks. In my household, grocery shopping was done everyday, as we didn't have a refrigerator and it was so convenient. Ah, those days when things were so different. Back then wee didn't even have a phone and I didn't recall any supermarket in town. But we did have a cat who never went to the vet and didn't know what commercial cat food was. She ate mostly rice with some fish if I recalled correctly. For treats she got an egg. For scratching, she used the wooden legs of our ironing board. Winnie > I used to love to cook a pot roast that had a round bone in the center of > it. Can't buy them anywhere anymore. > > Jo >> Used to be that a butcher shop would get in the entire carcass. Now what >> arrives at the store to be cut up is already cut down pretty far. So you [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >> >> Jo God I feel old now I remember stuff like this like it was yesterday was it yesterday no I mean along time ago I think Wait what was I talking about give me a minute I will remember. What were we talking about? :-) > Used to be that a butcher shop would get in the entire carcass. Now what > arrives at the store to be cut up is already cut down pretty far. So you [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I used to love to cook a pot roast that had a round bone in the center of > it. Can't buy them anywhere anymore. True, they all come "boneless" now (and fall appart, if you do them in the slow-cooker/crockpot and leave them too long). I think you can get them bone-in by special order, and the same goes for your heavier "soup-bones", but they're no longer items you see and buy on the spur of the moment thinking "Hey, a pot of homemade soup might be nice!". SignatureNewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth I got the staff good one year I cooked up a whole bunch of different organ meats every body raved about how good everything was till they found out what they at. What a rush for the toilet >>>I'm in the UK and I haven't a clue what Marcia is talking about. I've >>>never [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > even though there is usually a "live" butcher available to handle special > requests. Must have been the 80's too, because that's when I shared a flat with her and Thomas the ginger tom (I miss him still but she took with him when she moved, to a house, which was much nicer for him than our 2nd floor flat). > > > When I used to share a flat years ago with a girl who was owned by a > > > large tom cat called (surprisingly) Thomas - she used to get melts for [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Jeanette Maybe it's a London expression then, but she definately used to come back from the butchers with a bag of "melts", which either were free or cost about 25p. Marcia > Has anyone else ever given their cat melts, and what was the reaction? (consulting the dictionary) melt = spleen. Can't say that I have, except for whatever is cooked into commercial cat food. Of course, the cat has eaten mice and chipmunks, melts and all. SignatureThe night is just the shadow of the Earth. >> Has anyone else ever given their cat melts, and what was the reaction? > > (consulting the dictionary) melt = spleen. This gave me a "linguistic ping". It seems that the word "melts" must be of the same origin as the Swedish word for the spleen, which is "mjälte" (or mjalte with dots on the a). Could be a word the vikings introduced into the English language... And of the kitties in our household, I would not expect both to eat melts. Laku is too much of a prissy to eat anything so barbaric! ;) Nico, on the other hand, gobbles up raw mince meat when I give him some while making it into a dish of some kind. SignatureChristine in Vantaa, Finland christal63 (at) gmail (dot) com photos: http://photos.yahoo.com/christal63 photos: http://community.webshots.com/user/chkr63 It gave me the same linguistic ping, Christine, as the Dutch word for spleen is "milt". Nanny >>> Has anyone else ever given their cat melts, and what was the reaction? >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > other hand, gobbles up raw mince meat when I give him some while making it > into a dish of some kind. > It gave me the same linguistic ping, Christine, as the Dutch word for spleen > is "milt". > > Nanny > > This gave me a "linguistic ping". > > It seems that the word "melts" must be of the same origin as the Swedish [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > into a dish of some kind. > > Christine in Vantaa, Finland interesting. now how are these languages etymologically and geographically related since there is a slight resemblance here? something with the indo-european family tree of languages to support that version of "exploration?" i ate a tripe sandwich reputed to be the best in the city at a shop in an ethnic market area. once. seemed mostly white fat and not unpleasant but would not do it again. Yes, both languages are Indo-European, Swedish is North-Germanic, and Dutch is West-Germanic. Nanny Nanny wrote: > It gave me the same linguistic ping, Christine, as the Dutch word for > spleen > is "milt". > > Nanny > > This gave me a "linguistic ping". > > It seems that the word "melts" must be of the same origin as the Swedish [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > into a dish of some kind. > > Christine in Vantaa, Finland interesting. now how are these languages etymologically and geographically related since there is a slight resemblance here? something with the indo-european family tree of languages to support that version of "exploration?" i ate a tripe sandwich reputed to be the best in the city at a shop in an ethnic market area. once. seemed mostly white fat and not unpleasant but would not do it again. Nanny wrote: > It gave me the same linguistic ping, Christine, as the Dutch word for > spleen > is "milt". > > Nanny > > This gave me a "linguistic ping". > > It seems that the word "melts" must be of the same origin as the Swedish [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > into a dish of some kind. > > Christine in Vantaa, Finland interesting. now how are these languages etymologically and geographically related since there is a slight resemblance here? something with the indo-european family tree of languages to support that version of "exploration?" i ate a tripe sandwich reputed to be the best in the city at a shop in an ethnic market area. once. seemed mostly white fat and not unpleasant but would not do it again. Tripe is one of those things you need to learn to like before you know what it is. Variations seen to be an almost universal hangover cure. One of my grandsons really likes Menudo. He has spent a lot of Saturday nights at a friends house, and that is what is served every Sunday morning. Another of his friends always heads home early on Sunday morning. Partly because his Mom will forgive almost anything but missing church, and partly so he won't miss breakfast. Jo > It gave me the same linguistic ping, Christine, as the Dutch word for > spleen is "milt". [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> word for the spleen, which is "mjälte" (or mjalte with dots on the a). >> Could be a word the vikings introduced into the English language... This is very interesting! I've never heard the word "melt" used to describe a human spleen, only that of a food animal. Tweed > This gave me a "linguistic ping". > It seems that the word "melts" must be of the same origin as the Swedish > word for the spleen, which is "mjälte" (or mjalte with dots on the a). > Could be a word the vikings introduced into the English language... We certainly knew the word in Minnesota when I was growing up - considering the high percentage of Scandinavians living there, then, it could very well have been a Swedish import! (The word, not the melts.) SignatureNewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth |
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