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Oxana - 21 Apr 2006 15:07 GMT
Anyone has a British Shorthair ?
Karen - 21 Apr 2006 17:07 GMT
No, but if you hum a few...bars.....

> Anyone has a British Shorthair ?
wafflycat - 21 Apr 2006 17:30 GMT
> Anyone has a British Shorthair ?

Well I'm British and I have a few shorthairs, but I do shave my legs &
armpits regularly so they are not often seen.

Cheers, helen s
mlabofski@yahoo.co.uk - 21 Apr 2006 18:53 GMT
What's a British Shorthair?  My cat's British born with short hair,
does he qualify?
christal63 - 21 Apr 2006 19:04 GMT
mlabofski@yahoo.co.uk kirjoitti:
> What's a British Shorthair?  My cat's British born with short hair,
> does he qualify?

This is a British Shorthair:
http://www.cfainc.org/breeds/profiles/british.html

Christine in Finland, posting thru Google at her parents' place
Monique Y. Mudama - 21 Apr 2006 19:28 GMT
> mlabofski@yahoo.co.uk kirjoitti:
>> What's a British Shorthair?  My cat's British born with short hair,
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Christine in Finland, posting thru Google at her parents' place

Is it just me, or does that first cat on the page look a little wired
... like maybe he's been cadging prescriptions from his vet ...

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Tanada - 24 Apr 2006 00:23 GMT
>>mlabofski@yahoo.co.uk kirjoitti:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Is it just me, or does that first cat on the page look a little wired
> ... like maybe he's been cadging prescriptions from his vet ...

I dunno, but he really needs to calm down, and get a hobby or something.
 Maybe alligator wrestling....

Pam S. who wonders what that cat got into
Cat Dude - 24 Apr 2006 00:43 GMT
>> Is it just me, or does that first cat on the page look a little wired
>> ... like maybe he's been cadging prescriptions from his vet ...
>
> I dunno, but he really needs to calm down, and get a hobby or something.
>   Maybe alligator wrestling....

That kitty makes me think of my mom's Springer Spaniel, Cali. My brother,
my wife, and I go to her place every Sunday, and Nancy and I bring
Starbucks for everyone. Cali bugs everybody for tastes of their coffee.
Looks like that kitty has been indulging on too much Starbucks:)
jmcquown - 21 Apr 2006 20:53 GMT
> mlabofski@yahoo.co.uk kirjoitti:
>> What's a British Shorthair?  My cat's British born with short hair,
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Christine in Finland, posting thru Google at her parents' place

Hey!  That looks like Persia except her eyes are green, not gold!

Jill
Adrian A - 21 Apr 2006 19:04 GMT
> What's a British Shorthair?  My cat's British born with short hair,
> does he qualify?

Memphis and Pheonix, the cats that own Sandra are both British Shorthairs,
*very* beautiful cats.
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Monique Y. Mudama - 21 Apr 2006 19:27 GMT
>> What's a British Shorthair?  My cat's British born with short hair,
>> does he qualify?
>
> Memphis and Pheonix, the cats that own Sandra are both British
> Shorthairs, *very* beautiful cats.

All cats are beautiful cats =P

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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 21 Apr 2006 20:45 GMT
>>>What's a British Shorthair?  My cat's British born with short hair,
>>>does he qualify?
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> All cats are beautiful cats =P

True!  Anyway, judging from the pictures I've seen, "British
Shrthairs" are difficult to distinguish from just plain
cats.  Roundish head, rather cobby body, and they tend to be
fairly large - although not like Maine Coons or Norwegian
Forest cats - and any kind of markings or coat color is
acceptable.  (So, if you can't really tell the difference,
why bother with a throughbred, when a normal "cat" cat will
do as well?)

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Christina Websell - 21 Apr 2006 22:24 GMT
>>>>What's a British Shorthair?  My cat's British born with short hair,
>>>>does he qualify?
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> acceptable.  (So, if you can't really tell the difference, why bother with
> a throughbred, when a normal "cat" cat will do as well?)

You *can* tell the difference.  I knew straight away when I saw pics of
Memphis & Pheonix that they were pedigree cats.  It hit me in the eye.
Didn't it you?

Tweed
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 22 Apr 2006 02:40 GMT
>>>>>What's a British Shorthair?  My cat's British born with short hair,
>>>>>does he qualify?
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> Memphis & Pheonix that they were pedigree cats.  It hit me in the eye.
> Didn't it you?

Not after living with Patches, who was a stray for three
years before he adopted me!  (He looked EXACTLY like the
picture of a British Shorthair  in the cat book someone once
gave me.)  He even had similar markings, the only difference
was the scar where he'd had an untreated cat-bite abcess on
one ear, before he found me.  I think you confuse a
"pedigreed" appearance with a "well cared for" look, which
Memphis and Phoenix clearly have.  Some pedigreed cats
(Siamese, Persian, Rex....) DO look drastically different
from their hoi-polloi relatives, but others just look like
pampered, well-nourished cats, IMO.

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Christina Websell - 22 Apr 2006 21:23 GMT
>>>>>>What's a British Shorthair?  My cat's British born with short hair,
>>>>>>does he qualify?
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> adopted me!  (He looked EXACTLY like the picture of a British Shorthair
> in the cat book someone once gave me.)

Well, being a stray doesn't mean he wasn't a pedigree cat, does it?

> I think you confuse a "pedigreed" appearance with a "well cared for" look,
> which Memphis and Phoenix clearly have.

I don't think I do at all.  When I first saw M&P's photos I posted to
enquire if they were pure bred cats, and Sandra confirmed that they were.  I
see lots of pics on the group of very well cared for cats with a mixed
background and I do not confuse them with pedigree cats.

Maybe I have "my eye in"  as they say.  I judge show dogs.  I've showed
various animals all my life.  Mice, rabbits, goats you name it.
I know a pedigree cat, too,  when I see one.

> Some pedigreed cats (Siamese, Persian, Rex....) DO look drastically
> different from their hoi-polloi relatives, but others just look like
> pampered, well-nourished cats, IMO.

Pure bred British Shorthairs don't look like "ordinary cats" here.  They
have large wide faces with a shorter nose and they are bigger.
Maybe it's different in America.  Perhaps your strays look like pedigrees, I
wouldn't know about that.  Our British strays are not like that, KFC &
Boyfriend are typical of the normal non pedigree British cat that has come
about through folks not neutering their cats. They are very precious,
though.

Tweed
Christine K. - 22 Apr 2006 21:49 GMT
>> Not after living with Patches, who was a stray for three years before he
>> adopted me!  (He looked EXACTLY like the picture of a British Shorthair
>> in the cat book someone once gave me.)
>
> Well, being a stray doesn't mean he wasn't a pedigree cat, does it?

A stray may have been a pedigree cat "in the out", but I have always
thought that as soon as you no longer can prove the kitty you found is
the pedigree cat in question, thru collar tag / tattoo mark / ID chip or
whatever, no matter how much of a pedigree he looks and/or behaves like,
a stray cat cannot be called a pedigree cat. Or, well, called yes, but
not shown in cat shows as one or sold as one. It doesn't have the
paperwork or known lineage. Which, of course, doesn't make it any less
of a wonderful specimen of the species tho...

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Christina Websell - 22 Apr 2006 22:09 GMT
>>> Not after living with Patches, who was a stray for three years before he
>>> adopted me!  (He looked EXACTLY like the picture of a British Shorthair
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> known lineage. Which, of course, doesn't make it any less of a wonderful
> specimen of the species tho...

Absolutely.
What is being debated here is:  I think I can recognise a pedigree cat when
I see one  - Evelyn thinks not.
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 23 Apr 2006 00:18 GMT
>>>>Not after living with Patches, who was a stray for three years before he
>>>>adopted me!  (He looked EXACTLY like the picture of a British Shorthair
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> What is being debated here is:  I think I can recognise a pedigree cat when
> I see one  - Evelyn thinks not.

I wasn't making it a personal issue - didn't realize you
considered it one!  You may very well be able to tell the
difference, especially if you've been a cat-show judge.
However, I seriously doubt whether that is true of everyone
else but me!

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Christina Websell - 23 Apr 2006 01:27 GMT
>> Absolutely.
>> What is being debated here is:  I think I can recognise a pedigree cat
>> when I see one  - Evelyn thinks not.
>
> I wasn't making it a personal issue - didn't realize you considered it
> one!

I don't consider it a personal issue at all, Evelyn.  I just felt I needed
to point out that I am able to tell the difference between a well-looked
after cat and a pedigree one, as you seemed to think I might be confused
about it.  I'm not.
Please don't think that because I've disagreed with something that you said
that it means I don't like you.  It merely means our opinions differ at this
time.

Tweed


EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 23 Apr 2006 00:14 GMT
>>>>>>>What's a British Shorthair?  My cat's British born with short hair,
>>>>>>>does he qualify?
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> Well, being a stray doesn't mean he wasn't a pedigree cat, does it?

Not necessarily, but usually if people have paid a fair sum
of money for a pedigreed cat, they aren't liekly to simply
abandon it. ("Get rid of", maybe - but not without some
compensation.)

>>Some pedigreed cats (Siamese, Persian, Rex....) DO look drastically
>>different from their hoi-polloi relatives, but others just look like
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> have large wide faces with a shorter nose and they are bigger.
> Maybe it's different in America.  

Perhaps it is.  Certainly, judging by various discussions
we've had here, the average American cat tends to be larger
than those in the UK.  (You guys seem to consider ten pounds
large, whereas here that's just about average - many tip the
scales at fifteen, and only when they get closer to the
twenty mark do people remark upon their size!)

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Monique Y. Mudama - 23 Apr 2006 02:53 GMT
> Perhaps it is.  Certainly, judging by various discussions we've had
> here, the average American cat tends to be larger than those in the
> UK.  (You guys seem to consider ten pounds large, whereas here
> that's just about average - many tip the scales at fifteen, and only
> when they get closer to the twenty mark do people remark upon their
> size!)

Oscar's 9 pounds, and I think of her as fairly small.  A lot of cats
in the US are bigger than her.

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Yowie - 23 Apr 2006 00:23 GMT
>>>>>>>What's a British Shorthair?  My cat's British born with short hair,
>>>>>>>does he qualify?
[quoted text clipped - 44 lines]
> about through folks not neutering their cats. They are very precious,
> though.

Having seen 3 'moggies' that were exported here from England ( a friend
immigrated here and didn't want to leave her cats behind), the British
Moggie looks more like  British Shorthair than Australian Moggies. They are
stockier, and have rounder, bigger heads and are just 'beefier' all over,
and hteir coats seem denser and less 'fluffy'. Her 3 British cats look quite
distinct from the two Australian moggies that adopted her later.

I can only assume that someone outside of Britain liked the look of Britsh
moggies as opposed to their own moggie type, and started breeding them so as
to accentuate the differences. Hundreds of generations later, the breed
"British Shorthair" became a distict breed in its own right, and only has a
passing simularity with the original stock from which it was bred from.

But still, her British moggies still are recognisably *British*, just not as
pronounced as the pure-bred ones.

Yowie
Tish Silberbauer - 22 Apr 2006 02:20 GMT
My father's beloved Clawed DePussy (RB) was a pure-bred British
short-hair (my father rescued him when he was about 6 years old -
DeBussy's former owners were moving into a flat in town and didn't
want their cat to clutter their lives any more - very much their loss;
stupid people).  He was a nice looking cat - solidly built and
healthy.  He was a real character and was absolutely devoted to my
father.  He tolerated my step-mother and step-sister, but he came
alive when my father was in the room.  He lived to about 21 before he
succomed to cancer.

Tish

>>>>What's a British Shorthair?  My cat's British born with short hair,
>>>>does he qualify?
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>why bother with a throughbred, when a normal "cat" cat will
>do as well?)
Cheryl Perkins - 21 Apr 2006 21:24 GMT
>>> What's a British Shorthair?  My cat's British born with short hair,
>>> does he qualify?
>>
>> Memphis and Pheonix, the cats that own Sandra are both British
>> Shorthairs, *very* beautiful cats.

> All cats are beautiful cats =P

If you say that in the presence of a non-cat person, they tend to be a bit
puzzled and point out that in their opinion that scrawny stray with the
peculiar fur colours isn't really quite as beautiful as, say, their
neighbour's beautiful, well-fed cat with the lovely symmetrical stripes.

But I know what you mean!

I think a British Short Hair, like the American Short Hair, comes in the
usual cat-type colours and patterns (but of the more symmetrical variety)
and, unlike so many cats, some human has kept track of their ancestors.

My two are Domestic Short Hairs, although until the vet's receptionist put
that on their forms, I thought they were your average ordinary or alley
cat, or moggie, as I think they say in the UK. 'Domestic Short Hair'
sounds so pretentious!

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Christina Websell - 21 Apr 2006 22:16 GMT
>>>> What's a British Shorthair?  My cat's British born with short hair,
>>>> does he qualify?
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> cat, or moggie, as I think they say in the UK. 'Domestic Short Hair'
> sounds so pretentious!

But very politically correct ;-)  My two are Domestic Short Hairs too.  But
really they are moggies which means cats of no known ancestry i.e.
"mongrels."

Tweed
Monique Y. Mudama - 21 Apr 2006 23:40 GMT
> My two are Domestic Short Hairs, although until the vet's
> receptionist put that on their forms, I thought they were your
> average ordinary or alley cat, or moggie, as I think they say in the
> UK. 'Domestic Short Hair' sounds so pretentious!

Yeah!  I knew next to nothing about cats when I got Oscar.  When they
said she was a "domestic longhair," I actually thought that was a
breed!

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 22 Apr 2006 00:05 GMT
> > My two are Domestic Short Hairs, although until the vet's
> > receptionist put that on their forms, I thought they were your
> > average ordinary or alley cat, or moggie, as I think they say in the
> > UK. 'Domestic Short Hair' sounds so pretentious!

> Yeah!  I knew next to nothing about cats when I got Oscar.  When they
> said she was a "domestic longhair," I actually thought that was a
> breed!

Whenever I take my cats to the vet, I always see "DSH" on the form
describing their type. Well, except for Smudge, who has "DMH" or
sometimes even "DLH" (medium- and long-haired) on hers. That's what
it said on their charts in the shelter, too. I think it's the standard
way to describe ordinary moggies in the US.

Joyce
Stormin Mormon - 22 Apr 2006 13:45 GMT
I was wondering if it was a specific breed?

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What's a British Shorthair?  My cat's British born with short hair,
does he qualify?
Cheryl Perkins - 22 Apr 2006 13:55 GMT
> I was wondering if it was a specific breed?

It is. I think someone posted a link earlier. Like the American short
hair, it's one of those breeds that looks 'ordinary' (ie no really unusual
feature like Siamese markings or Manx backsides or rex fur) but unlike yer
alley cat or moggie, has very symmetrical or totally solid markings
matching a certain standard, and generally has a nice solid build (not
slight like the oriental-type cats). And someone's been keeping track of
who the cat's ancestors were.

I've only seen them in pictures, but they look like handsome attractive
cats.

Then again, I don't think I've ever seen a cat I didn't like.

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Christina Websell - 21 Apr 2006 22:10 GMT
> Anyone has a British Shorthair ?

As far as I know there is only one person on this group who has pedigree
British Shorthairs.  That's Sandra, maybe she will reply to you.

Tweed
AZ Nomad - 21 Apr 2006 23:56 GMT
>Anyone has a British Shorthair ?

No, it's amazing.  Not one single person anywhere on the planet
has such a cat.  I wonder why they would give a name to a nonexistant
breed?
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 22 Apr 2006 02:41 GMT
>>Anyone has a British Shorthair ?
>
> No, it's amazing.  Not one single person anywhere on the planet
> has such a cat.  I wonder why they would give a name to a nonexistant
> breed?

P-L-O-N-K!

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Stormin Mormon - 22 Apr 2006 13:45 GMT
You know, Baha, that sounds like the gal you were trying to help with
the cat imigration. Taking them to the airport, cause the dates of
immunization were very specific. I wasn't sure who was in charge of
whom. But from the sounds of it, she was definitely in charge of the
relationship. You might even say she had him by the British
Shorthai....oh, nevermind.

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