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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / April 2006Yes, there *are* cat-friendly landlords
When Nancy and I were looking for a rental property 4 years ago (it's hard to believe we've been here this long) we had an awful time finding a place that was big enough for us and would allow our three (at that time) kitties. We were delighted to finally find this place. We're in one unit of a four-unit complex, arranged as two duplexes. Both units in the other building are now vacant, and the the other unit in our building will be vacant in a month or so. I was talking to the landlord last week and learned his plans regarding the vacant units. John knows that we are feeding two outside kitties in addition to our indoor fur-family. He says that he is going to give preference to other kitty-families when screening other potential renters :) > When Nancy and I were looking for a rental property 4 years ago (it's hard > to believe we've been here this long) we had an awful time finding a place [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > indoor fur-family. He says that he is going to give preference to other > kitty-families when screening other potential renters :) Wow! That's wonderful. I hope you get many interesting new kitty neighbours. My landlord is pretty good, too. He didn't baulk when I said I had three cats (at the time), and when I asked if I could build an enclosure in the garden, he said go right ahead.  SignatureMarina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki. Stories and pics at http://koti.welho.com/mkurten/ Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki > Wow! That's wonderful. I hope you get many interesting new kitty > neighbours. My landlord is pretty good, too. He didn't baulk when I said > I had three cats (at the time), and when I asked if I could build an > enclosure in the garden, he said go right ahead. I have a feeling Eropeans are a bit more sensitive to the needs of our fellow coreatures. I remember my first trip to Europe (with a tour group) our bus was travelling along the autobahn between Prague and Vienna (or maybe Vienna and Budapest - I don't remember for sure). I noticed all these sort of "bridges" across the freeway, all with long grass, etc. They plainly were not for cars, so I asked about them. The tour guide replied "Oh, those are for animals". When I said something about the difficult of herding cattle across them, she made it clear they were for the safe passage of ANY animals. (When I remembered a news story from the prvious summer, about deer and other wild animals trapped by freeway fences to die in a hillside brush fire here, I was ashamed of my fellow Americans.) SignatureNewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth > When Nancy and I were looking for a rental property 4 years ago (it's > hard to believe we've been here this long) we had an awful time [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > indoor fur-family. He says that he is going to give preference to > other kitty-families when screening other potential renters :) Hope you get some cat-friendly neighbors soon! I used to work with a woman who tried to get an apartment in this complex but when she told the apartment manager she had five cats she was told no. But the thing is, this woman was a nutcase. She used to use her cats as an excuse to not show up for work. She'd call and say one of her cats escaped, or she tripped over her cat and hurt herself. After she was fired she started calling her old extension at the office and leaving obscene messages for the poor new guy who inherited her old phone number. And when she came to pick up her stuff at the office she brought a police escort because she said she felt "threatened". Huh? Yeah, she was a nut. I'm glad the apartment manager spotted that. Jill > Hope you get some cat-friendly neighbors soon! I used to work with a > woman [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > said she felt "threatened". Huh? Yeah, she was a nut. I'm glad the > apartment manager spotted that. If it takes only five cats to be a nut, with seven I must be a nut tree then. >> Hope you get some cat-friendly neighbors soon! I used to work with a >> woman [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > If it takes only five cats to be a nut, with seven I must be a nut tree > then. I belong in a padded room if that was true :-) >>> Hope you get some cat-friendly neighbors soon! I used to work with >>> a woman [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> > I belong in a padded room if that was true :-) They locked me up and threw away the key long ago... LOL >> Hope you get some cat-friendly neighbors soon! I used to work with a >> woman [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > If it takes only five cats to be a nut, with seven I must be a nut > tree then. But Pat, I'll bet you never called and harrassed some poor guy you'd never met who simply inherited your phone number by the luck of the draw at the office, did you? I mean, it was really rude, foul stuff she was saying. F*** me! Give me that big hard ****. Stuff like that. And the poor guy was like, "OH MY GOD! You guys, listen to this!" Her voice was very distinctive; we all knew immediately who it was. We felt so sorry for him. It wasn't the cats that made her nuts. I felt sorry for the cats, too. Wouldn't have wanted her for a neighbor, cats or no cats. Jill > But Pat, I'll bet you never called and harrassed some poor guy you'd never > met who simply inherited your phone number by the luck of the draw at the > office, did you? I mean, it was really rude, foul stuff she was saying. > F*** me! Give me that big hard ****. I don't know too many guys who would take offense at hearing that from a woman.... >>But Pat, I'll bet you never called and harrassed some poor guy you'd never >>met who simply inherited your phone number by the luck of the draw at the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I don't know too many guys who would take offense at hearing that from a > woman.... Perhaps it depends upon the woman? (And at your office????) SignatureNewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth >>> But Pat, I'll bet you never called and harrassed some poor guy >>> you'd never met who simply inherited your phone number by the luck [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Perhaps it depends upon the woman? (And at your office????) Particularly at the office! This guy blushed to the roots as he played these messages from his voicemail. The nutcase called practically every night to leave obscene messages for him. >>But Pat, I'll bet you never called and harrassed some poor guy you'd never >>met who simply inherited your phone number by the luck of the draw at the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I don't know too many guys who would take offense at hearing that from a > woman.... I know a lot of guys who would either find it offensive or embarrassing. Rob would have told her to get help before hanging up on her. Pam S. >But Pat, I'll bet you never called and harrassed some poor guy you'd never >met who simply inherited your phone number by the luck of the draw at the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >It wasn't the cats that made her nuts. I felt sorry for the cats, too. >Wouldn't have wanted her for a neighbor, cats or no cats. And on the opposite end of the crazy scale, one of my friends has a boyfriend who was terribly abused during his childhood. I've never heard most of the details, but as an adult he started keeping pet cats, and she thinks that the 'owners' are one of the things that's helped him get over his horrible childhood and be as normal as he presently is. From knowing almost no love as a child, he now has total unconditional love from his cats. There's only one right now, but he's had several who lived long spoiled lives with him. Jane - owned and operated by Princess Rita > And on the opposite end of the crazy scale, one of my friends has a > boyfriend who was terribly abused during his childhood. I've never heard [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > knowing almost no love as a child, he now has total unconditional love > from his cats. That's a sweet story. I can relate to this a bit myself. I wouldn't say I was "terribly" abused, but my parents were very young and had a lot of emotional problems when I was born, so there was lots screaming and yelling and emotional chaos, and not enough of the kind of positive, loving attention that a child needs. But we always had cats, and I bonded with them. Cats were safe to love. They didn't always give me their attention when I wanted it, but when they did, it was soooooo soothing. Nothing like a purring cat when you're a lonely kid. Joyce > John knows that we are feeding two outside kitties in addition to our > indoor fur-family. He says that he is going to give preference to other > kitty-families when screening other potential renters :) Yay! He sounds like a nice guy. Around here, it seems that when someplace allows pets, every tenant in the building has a pet (or more than one). My building is like that. Like yours, it's a small building, 4 units. Everyone has pets. Among us all, we have 7 cats and two dogs. :) Ironically, when I was apartment-hunting and saw the ad for this place, it said "no pets"! I was undeterred, though, as I had learned that "no pets" usually means no *dogs*. I came to see the place anyway, and when I asked about cats, they said it would be fine. Turned out that everyone else in the building already had pets, so why did they even bother to put that in the ad? Maybe it was a mistake. The apartment complex I lived in before I moved here allowed cats, too. The apartment manager was a cat lover herself, and had two. She even took care of our cat when we went out of town. The courtyard usually had a few kitties wandering around - it was a great place for them, full of grass, trees, and various creepy crawlies to chase around. A friend of mine owns a building and rents out one of the apartments. She won't even rent to someone who doesn't have a pet, since it's so hard for people who do have them to find a place, so she wants to give them priority. Joyce > Ironically, when I was apartment-hunting and saw the ad for this place, > it said "no pets"! I was undeterred, though, as I had learned that "no > pets" usually means no *dogs*. I came to see the place anyway, and when > I asked about cats, they said it would be fine/// My appartment in Edinburgh was like that - the landlord said no pets.... I persuaded him that a dog was OK, then I persuaded him that 2 cats were OK. He even used to come and feed them for me while I was away! Mind, I supplied pet & vet references and kept the place spotless. I think it also helped that I allowed him access when ever he wanted. Helen M > My appartment in Edinburgh was like that - the landlord said no > pets.... I persuaded him that a dog was OK, then I persuaded him that 2 > cats were OK. He even used to come and feed them for me while I was > away! Mind, I supplied pet & vet references and kept the place > spotless. I think it also helped that I allowed him access when ever he > wanted. I rented twice from a woman who was the best landlady I ever had - but I knew she didn't think animals belonged indoors, and the first lease I signed said 'no pets'. When I moved back into town, I wasn't quite satisfied with the only place I could find at short notice, and eventually, when the place I eventually bought was coming vacant, she offered it to me to rent. I told her up front that since I last rented from her, I had gotten two cats - was that going to be a problem? She said no, and added 'tenant may have two (2) cats' in the lease. Next time she was looking for tenants for the gorgeous apartment I'd rented first, she got someone with a lab, so she must have been converted from her 'no pets' stance! SignatureCheryl >>My appartment in Edinburgh was like that - the landlord said no >>pets.... I persuaded him that a dog was OK, then I persuaded him that 2 [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > rented first, she got someone with a lab, so she must have been converted > from her 'no pets' stance! I think a lot of landords who specify "no pets" do so because they've had bad experiences. True, the fault lies with the TENANT, not the pet, but how can they be sure if they don't know you? In the past, I've found that sometimes meeting the owner in person (assuming the property is not in the hands of a management firm) will persuade them to allow me to have my cats. SignatureNewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth > I think a lot of landords who specify "no pets" do so because > they've had bad experiences. True, the fault lies with the TENANT, > not the pet, but how can they be sure if they don't know you? In > the past, I've found that sometimes meeting the owner in person > (assuming the property is not in the hands of a management firm) > will persuade them to allow me to have my cats. Plus they'd probably get in legal trouble if they specified "No children" or "No losers." Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca >>I think a lot of landords who specify "no pets" do so because >>they've had bad experiences. True, the fault lies with the TENANT, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Plus they'd probably get in legal trouble if they specified > "No children" or "No losers." Well, many ads here DO specify "no section 8". (I'm not sure what that means in the case of rental ads, but I think a "Section 8" discharge from the military is for psychological problems.) They CAN advertise a building as being for "seniors only" (over 55), but I'm not sure what they could do if the person applying had custody of a couple of grandchildren who lived with him/her. SignatureNewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth Section 8 is a funding for people with financial needs or criteria and or that are on welfare or other government aiding (hate how this sounds and looks please forgive ) basically poor people housing or people in need >>>I think a lot of landords who specify "no pets" do so because >>>they've had bad experiences. True, the fault lies with the TENANT, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > could do if the person applying had custody of a couple of grandchildren > who lived with him/her. > Section 8 is a funding for people with financial needs or criteria and > or that are on welfare or other government aiding > > (hate how this sounds and looks please forgive ) > > basically poor people housing or people in need Really it means three things to the landlord. They will be paid by the government so collecting rent won't be a problem. The premises will have to pass an inspection as to condition. And they will be reimbursed up to a point for damages. Jo >> Section 8 is a funding for people with financial needs or criteria and >> or that are on welfare or other government aiding [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Jo In a perfect world some of these programs are the biggest pain in the a@@ I used to accept food stamps and WIC ( is a federally funded nutrition program that provides at no cost: healthy foods for mothers) To get my money it was more headaches and paperwork that I stopped doing it. Sometimes it could be months before money came in. > I used to accept food stamps and WIC ( is a federally funded nutrition > program that provides at no cost: healthy foods for mothers) > To get my money it was more headaches and paperwork that I stopped doing > it. Sometimes it could be months before money came in. Gee, one would almost think they made it impossible on purpose so you WOULD give up... nahh... Joyce > In a perfect world some of these programs are the biggest pain in the a@@ > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > To get my money it was more headaches and paperwork that I stopped doing > it. Sometimes it could be months before money came in. Really? One of our clients gets rent payments from the county (I didn't know that was what "Section 8" was). It comes in promptly every month for all the apartments involved. (Of course, I don't know how long it takes to get the payments coming - we just do his accounting, his management firm collects the rents and does any paperwork of that sort.) SignatureNewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth >>Section 8 is a funding for people with financial needs or criteria and >>or that are on welfare or other government aiding [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > pass an inspection as to condition. And they will be reimbursed up to a > point for damages. Sounds great! Why would landlords NOT want them as tenants? (Or are they afraid their buildings wouldn't pass inspection?) SignatureNewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth >>> Section 8 is a funding for people with financial needs or >>> criteria and or that are on welfare or other government aiding [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Sounds great! Why would landlords NOT want them as tenants? > (Or are they afraid their buildings wouldn't pass inspection?) Two words: Unreimbursed damages. Jill > Well, many ads here DO specify "no section 8". (I'm not > sure what that means in the case of rental ads, but I think [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > they could do if the person applying had custody of a couple > of grandchildren who lived with him/her. Section 8 is a low-income rental assistance program. Basically they're saying "we don't accept county aid vouchers in payment of rent". >>Well, many ads here DO specify "no section 8". (I'm not >>sure what that means in the case of rental ads, but I think [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Section 8 is a low-income rental assistance program. Basically they're > saying "we don't accept county aid vouchers in payment of rent". Oh. Thanks - but why would they not do that? Seems to me the county would be a lot more secure source than an individual! (At least they could be sure the checks wouldn't bounce!) SignatureNewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth > Oh. Thanks - but why would they not do that? Seems to me > the county would be a lot more secure source than an > individual! (At least they could be sure the checks > wouldn't bounce!) I asked my landlord about that. He said Section 8 renters were more likely to move out with no notice, more likely to damage the premises (and the coverage offered by the government agencies is minimal and slow in coming), and a lot more likely to be problem tenants. At least, that has been his experience. Dan >> Oh. Thanks - but why would they not do that? Seems to me >> the county would be a lot more secure source than an [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Dan I haven't been inside an "assisted housing" apartment in 24 years. In some places they are special apartment complexes only for Section 8 qualified residents. My ex-husband's aunt lived in one with her 3 teenage daughters. We had to pay a visit a couple of times, notably for holidays. The floors were cement slab. When I asked (quietly) why, I was told the landlord took out all the carpeting because people would either rip it up or put huge burns in it. He got tired of replacing it when someone moved out. He figured if they wanted rugs on their floors they could buy some cheap rugs at a discount store and then if they wanted to rip them up they could feel free. There were also no doors on the kitchen cabinets for the same reason; people would just tear them off the hinges or take them down to steal the hardware from the cabinet doors. There were also a lot of junk cars in the parking lot; obviously not cars that ran. I pay a rather hefty price for my apartment and trust me, it's not been easy since I'm unemployed. I wouldn't want people like that (I don't mean my ex-aunt-in-law, necessarily) for my neighbors. Jill >>Oh. Thanks - but why would they not do that? Seems to me >>the county would be a lot more secure source than an [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > coming), and a lot more likely to be problem tenants. At least, that has > been his experience. Apparently a lot of others feel the same way, judging by the number of rental ads in the Penny Saver that say "no section 8 or pets". I know a couple of "Section 8" tenants (both are Viet Nam vets with psychological problems - the reason why I was confused about what it meant). Neither seems the sort to be a "problem" tenant, but I don't know them that well. SignatureNewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth >>>Oh. Thanks - but why would they not do that? Seems to me the county >>>would be a lot more secure source than an individual! (At least they [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > problems - the reason why I was confused about what it meant). Neither > seems the sort to be a "problem" tenant, but I don't know them that well. The ideal Sec 8 tenant is an older person on disability. They stay put, don't tear the place up and have a small guaranteed income. How willing landlords will be depends on what other options they have. The economy around here is so bad and the low income housing so scarce that sec 8 looks good to them. Jo >>>> Oh. Thanks - but why would they not do that? Seems to me the >>>> county would be a lot more secure source than an individual! (At [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Jo When I first moved into this apartment almost 10 years ago, my neighbor (this is like a duplex apartment setup, only one adjoined neighbor) was an older lady in a wheelchair. Oh, she could walk but she didn't when she didn't have to, which was fine with me. She had a big old dog and when my dog Sampson died I gave her some of his toys and treats. Anyway, you'd never have expected her to high tail it out of there without paying her rent. She did just that. Can't judge a book by its cover. She left without a word one day while I was at work. The apartment manager called me a few days later and asked if I'd seen her. Nope. She sent the handymen over to look around. Everything was gone except she'd left the apartment in a total wreck but still had some things in the storage shed off the patio. Her son had the nerve to call up and ask if he could come get her stuff from the storage room. The landlady said, "Excuse me?! She left without any notice! She still owes us a month's rent and her security deposit be used to to clean up the place!" The apartment manager had the locks changed and wouldn't let them have access to the apartment or the storage room. She shook her head and said to me, "Jill, we made every accommodation for that woman. She lived here 6 years. We had a ramp installed for her wheelchair; we had bars installed in her bathtub. When we had cookouts by the pool [Note: they do that all the time, hotdogs, burgers, veggie burgers and bring your own tater salad, cole slaw, whatever] and she couldn't or wouldn't come, so someone always took her a plate. Then she just up and left without a word. Sounds like some of John's tenants, although he wasn't providing food and they didn't stay so long. Jill > When I first moved into this apartment almost 10 years ago, my neighbor > (this is like a duplex apartment setup, only one adjoined neighbor) was an [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > and bring your own tater salad, cole slaw, whatever] and she couldn't or > wouldn't come, so someone always took her a plate. Oh I remember the pool side BBQ we used to have in my building. Since management changed, we didn't have those anymore. But we now have our annual Christmas 'Meet and Greet' in the party room. You don't have to be worried about getting too much to drink, as all you have to do is to take the elevator to go home. Winnie Then she just up and > left without a word. Sounds like some of John's tenants, although he > wasn't > providing food and they didn't stay so long. > > Jill >>> My appartment in Edinburgh was like that - the landlord said no >>> pets.... I persuaded him that a dog was OK, then I persuaded him [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > the hands of a management firm) will persuade them to allow > me to have my cats. My LLL, John, owns a couple of older homes converted to rental apartments. He has decided to institute a no-pets rule (with the possible exception of a cat) due to damages done by pets. If it was legal he'd institute a no-kids rule, too. He and his handyman went to one of the apartments to do a repair job and one of the kids was roller-blading across the hardwood floors! Jill > >>> My appartment in Edinburgh was like that - the landlord said no > >>> pets.... I persuaded him that a dog was OK, then I persuaded him [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Jill Well, tell him good luck with that. We finally sold one house and gave the other one to our son. I didn't like being a landlord. I was too much of a pushover and we didn't make any money at it because of that. I still have the folder of photos we took to small claims court. I look at it every once in a while just in case I ever get the notion that rental property is a good idea. The only good thing about it was, it was a great write-off on taxes. BTW, I never, not once, had any problems or damage because of pets. The pets were great. Some problems with children, but the vast majority of the damage/destruction was by *adults*. Sherry >>>>My appartment in Edinburgh was like that - the landlord said no >>>>pets.... I persuaded him that a dog was OK, then I persuaded him [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > rule, too. He and his handyman went to one of the apartments to do a repair > job and one of the kids was roller-blading across the hardwood floors! You can charge a non-refundable "damage deposit" for people with pets, can you do it for those with children, too? > Jill SignatureNewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth >>>>> My appartment in Edinburgh was like that - the landlord said no >>>>> pets.... I persuaded him that a dog was OK, then I persuaded him [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > You can charge a non-refundable "damage deposit" for people > with pets, can you do it for those with children, too? I don't think you can specifically refer to it as a deposit for that but the damage can certainly be covered by the security deposit. I haven't really quizzed him about the specifics because it's really not my business. But I don't think he charges a high enough security deposit considering the cost of (for example) sanding and revarnishing hardwood floors. Jill > When Nancy and I were looking for a rental property 4 years ago (it's > hard to believe we've been here this long) we had an awful time [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > indoor fur-family. He says that he is going to give preference to > other kitty-families when screening other potential renters :) That's great news! Maybe you'll be able to introduce the new renters to rpca. :-) SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera) Cats leave pawprints on your heart. http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk DanM said: John knows that we are feeding two outside kitties in addition to our indoor fur-family. He says that he is going to give preference to other kitty-families when screening other potential renters :) ==================================== That's great Purrs that he finds great catloving tenents, Suz&Spicey > When Nancy and I were looking for a rental property 4 years ago (it's hard > to believe we've been here this long) we had an awful time finding a place [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > indoor fur-family. He says that he is going to give preference to other > kitty-families when screening other potential renters :) Your landlord know what he/she is doing. People over 30 with pets and no children are the best tenants ever. I don't mean to offend anybody with that, but it is the honest truth from our experience. It doesn't take too many bad apples to really color your judgment about people. What's really cool is that he is giving preference to other cat-owning families! That means they'll love the outdoor kitties too! Sherry Our lease says "no pets" but when the building superintendants have cats and there are dogs walked through the halls and in the elevator, you know they don't care about pets. Though when we rented the place, they said "two cats are fine". A month later, moving in, we had four (we did not plan on finding those bitties....) The super found me taking five empty jugs of kittylitter to the recycle room and she could not believe that we have four cats, on account of "I clean the hall outside your door and you know I could never tell!" Well of course not...we keep them clean. The only place that smells liek the litter box, IS the litter box. There's someone on the seventh floor with only one cat and she never cleans the litter box...the whole HALL smells like a litter box, and the woman ignores written notices to clean. --Fil > Our lease says "no pets" but when the building superintendants have > cats and there are dogs walked through the halls and in the elevator, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > The super found me taking five empty jugs of kittylitter to the recycle > room and she could not believe that we have four cats, snipped People always say that to me, with five cats. I work at it though! I try to be extra diligent about the litterboxes. Sherry <snip> >> The super found me taking five empty jugs of kittylitter to the recycle >> room and she could not believe that we have four cats, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Sherry I find it strange that someone would *not* clean the litterbox. I mean it isn't like they can clean it themselves, and I sure wouldn't want to use a stinking loo to do my business, so I expect the same to be true for the kitties. Laku has even once "commented" on a not-clean-enough litterbox by pooping on the floor next to the box. That time we *had* left it unattended for too long tho, so Laku was right. SignatureChristine in Vantaa, Finland christal63 (at) gmail (dot) com photos: http://photos.yahoo.com/christal63 photos: http://community.webshots.com/user/chkr63 > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > for the kitties. Laku has even once "commented" on a not-clean-enough > litterbox by pooping on the floor next to the box. Mine occasionally miss the box, but the box is clean enough - I think it's just a matter of poor positioning. (Their FEET are in the box, they just let the rear end hang over too far!) SignatureNewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth >> <snip> >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > it's just a matter of poor positioning. (Their FEET are in the box, > they just let the rear end hang over too far!) Laku cannot have been in the box when he pooped outside, the poop was about 30cm / 1ft from the litter box. So I can only assume it was a statement. And the box *was* dirtier than usual then, I should have cleaned it in the evening, but was too tired and left it to the morning. We use wood pellet litter that turns into sawdust when wet, the box was almost completely full of sawdust, no pellets anymore, on that evening. SignatureChristine in Vantaa, Finland christal63 (at) gmail (dot) com photos: http://photos.yahoo.com/christal63 photos: http://community.webshots.com/user/chkr63 > Laku cannot have been in the box when he pooped outside, the poop was > about 30cm / 1ft from the litter box. So I can only assume it was a > statement. And the box *was* dirtier than usual then, I should have > cleaned it in the evening, but was too tired and left it to the morning. > We use wood pellet litter that turns into sawdust when wet, the box was > almost completely full of sawdust, no pellets anymore, on that evening. I've been well trained by Rusty. Now no matter how tired I am, I always do my litter box duty every night. I found it easier if I do it right after I wash my dinner dishes. Then I take out the garbage along with the litter box offerings. All the 'dirty' work is done then, I can wash my face, take a shower, and relax for the evening, knowing I won't get a 'present' on the floor from Rusty in the morning. Or that 'present' on the floor would indicate he is not feeling well and require a trip to TED. If I know I am going to be out in the evening, my litter box duty will be done in the morning after breakfast. Winnie > Mine occasionally miss the box, but the box is clean enough > - I think it's just a matter of poor positioning. (Their > FEET are in the box, they just let the rear end hang over > too far!) A friend of mine had to get a larger box - their Harry tried to do the right thing, but every so often he wouldn't manage to get the essential bit of his body over the previous box. Paws, no problem, all four would be in the box. SignatureCheryl >> Mine occasionally miss the box, but the box is clean enough >> - I think it's just a matter of poor positioning. (Their [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > essential bit of his body over the previous box. Paws, no problem, all > four would be in the box. Lizzie is funny when she's in the box - she will only 'go' with her head sticking out the door (we use 'hooded' boxes), and most time her front paws will be on the edge of the door - and a lot of times one pack paw as well (when we see her do this, one of us will call out "Lizzie Three-Paws"), and I've seen her will all *four* paws on that edge (that rates a "Lizzie Four-Paws") - quite a trick to be able to concentrate on balancing *and* 'going' at the same time, I think! :D > Lizzie is funny when she's in the box - she will only 'go' with her > head sticking out the door (we use 'hooded' boxes), and most time [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > able to concentrate on balancing *and* 'going' at the same time, I > think! :D Maybe she does this so she can't be taken by surprise while she's otherwise occupied? Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > Lizzie is funny when she's in the box - she will only 'go' with her head > sticking out the door (we use 'hooded' boxes), and most time her front [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > rates a "Lizzie Four-Paws") - quite a trick to be able to concentrate on > balancing *and* 'going' at the same time, I think! :D Rusty sometimes stuck his head out of the hooded box too. I think he probably tried to tell me that the box stinked. Since I have been very diligent in my litter box duty, I haven't seen him done that. Winnie > >> Mine occasionally miss the box, but the box is clean enough > >> - I think it's just a matter of poor positioning. (Their [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Four-Paws") - quite a trick to be able to concentrate on balancing *and* > 'going' at the same time, I think! :D Maybe she's a bit claustrophobic. ;-) Joy >> Mine occasionally miss the box, but the box is clean enough >> - I think it's just a matter of poor positioning. (Their [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >essential bit of his body over the previous box. Paws, no problem, all >four would be in the box. We got a huge box for the girls because Scouty had that problem with a small one... all four paws were in place and she was very puzzled when she turned around to bury and found there wasn't anything there! So I got them an under-the-bed box instead of two small boxes side by side. It's not really much larger than the two boxes put together, but she can stand in the middle. > The super found me taking five empty jugs of kittylitter to the recycle > room and she could not believe that we have four cats, on account of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > HALL smells like a litter box, and the woman ignores written notices to > clean. I was a bit worried about adopting Cendrillon from across the hall, when I found she had made a couple of "deposits" on the carpet, there. However, the litter box left for her by the guy who abandoned her reeked so badly of ammonia, I couldn't really blame her for not using it. Only once, when she first came, did she forget herself and use the carpet. I promptly picked it up and deposited it in the litterbox, then showed it to her. SFAIK, she's used the litterbox ever since. ("SFAIK" because I can't see the area under the bed, where she spent a lot of time when she first arrived, but I've never smelled anything suspicious in the bedroom.) SignatureNewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth >When Nancy and I were looking for a rental property 4 years ago (it's hard >to believe we've been here this long) we had an awful time finding a place [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >indoor fur-family. He says that he is going to give preference to other >kitty-families when screening other potential renters :) That is great, Dan :-) My new landlord isn't preferential, but he is the same as the old landlord in that it doesn't bother him we have 9 cats in here. Thank heavens for landlords who don't mind pets. Ginger-lyn Home Pages: http://www.moonsummer.com http://www.angelfire.com/folk/glsummer (homepage & cats) http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~summer/index.htm (genealogy) http://www.movieanimals.bravehost.com/ (The Violence Against Animals in Movies Website) I seem to remember you live in Southern California, and I'm going to have to move soon. If you're anywhere near the San Fernando Valley, could you e-mail me privately with the owner's name and phone number? (I only have two cats, and don't plan on more, but still....) > When Nancy and I were looking for a rental property 4 years ago (it's hard > to believe we've been here this long) we had an awful time finding a place [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > indoor fur-family. He says that he is going to give preference to other > kitty-families when screening other potential renters :) SignatureNewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth > I seem to remember you live in Southern California, and I'm > going to have to move soon. If you're anywhere near the San > Fernando Valley, could you e-mail me privately with the > owner's name and phone number? (I only have two cats, and > don't plan on more, but still....) I don't know if we're close enough to be of any help to you (we're on the east side of San Bernardino), but I e-mailed you the info. Dan > When Nancy and I were looking for a rental property 4 years ago (it's hard > to believe we've been here this long) we had an awful time finding a place [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > indoor fur-family. He says that he is going to give preference to other > kitty-families when screening other potential renters :) The old apt. complex I lived in didn't allow pets. But the superintendent has a Rotweiler (or was it a Doberman), maybe to scare away tenants who knocked on his door. I was scared by the dog's barking. When I was at the vet, I met a woman who lives in my old apt. complex. She said they allowed pets now. So rules are made to be broken or changed. Winnie > "Dan M" <dan@wolf.com> wrote in message >> When Nancy and I were looking for a rental property 4 years ago (it's [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> indoor fur-family. He says that he is going to give preference to other >> kitty-families when screening other potential renters :) > The old apt. complex I lived in didn't allow pets. But the superintendent > has a Rotweiler (or was it a Doberman), maybe to scare away tenants > who knocked on his door. I was scared by the dog's barking. > When I was at the vet, I met a woman who lives in my old apt. complex. > She said they allowed pets now. So rules are made to be broken or changed. > Winnie I have good news for pet people in several cities (too bad not all: sorry, southern CA dwellers) - there is a company called Round Hill Pacific, based in S.Francisco, CA, that buys up really old historic buildings, renovates/repairs them, and turns them into apt. rentals. They LOVE pets of all kinds. Catch is a one-time-only deposit (not godawful if you work) - on each pet - not refundable, but if pet you paid it on dies, you can get another one w/o another deposit. There is a terrible habit among landlords out west here of charging "pet rent" - usually $10 to $30 a month - on TOP of your usual apt. rent (I never saw this in FL but that might have just been area I lived in); Round Hill Pacific does NOT do this! Once you pay deposit, pet deposit, and first month's rent, all you pay is apt. rent plus very small $3 to $15 more for bldg. electric (hall, outside) lighting and water (water ain't cheap out here, but total bill divided up into all apt.tenants, since there are no water meters to each apt.). This family-owned corp. has rental bldgs. in Portland, Salt Lake City, Pittsburgh, Denver, and San Francisco. They have a website, where you can see apts. for rent and/or communicate with them. www.RHP.rentals.com I used to live in one of their apt. bldgs. Even though outside of bldg. was like from 1920's (this bldg. was an old hotel then) fixtures and especially plumbing has been replaced w/modern day stuff; ditto electric wiring throughout. When something broke or leaked, their repair crews were there *the next day* to take care of business. I highly recommend this landlord; in this area, a large red striper cat (former stray) lounges at his leisure on the reception desk in their rental office......he goes home w/one or the other employee at day's end. He is "unadoptable" - rental staff cannot bear to part w/him. >> "Dan M" <dan@wolf.com> wrote in message >>> When Nancy and I were looking for a rental property 4 years ago (it's [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > goes home w/one or the other employee at day's end. He > is "unadoptable" - rental staff cannot bear to part w/him. Most landlords in Florida either charge a pet deposit or take double security down or charge a non refundable fee Hotels charge a pet deposit $50 - 75 During the hurricanes the hotel we moved all our shelter animals into waived this fee as long as We signed a agreement to either clean the problems ourselves or pay for it. >Most landlords in Florida either charge a pet deposit or take double >security down or charge a non refundable fee >Hotels charge a pet deposit $50 - 75 During the hurricanes the hotel we >moved all our shelter animals into waived this fee as long as We signed a >agreement to either clean the problems ourselves or pay for it. My current apartment complex accepts pets. Fin had his own security deposit, which was 3 times mine (only half of it was non-refundable), his own rent, AND his own lease. It said that all cats had to be declawed, but I made them take that out. They needed a picture and a vet's checkup note saying he was healthy. I still haven't gotten a picture of Rita over to them. Oh well. Believe me, after my last miserable apartment fiasco, I spent over an hour reading this lease over carefully, word by word. Jane - owned and operated by Princess Rita > My current apartment complex accepts pets. Fin had his own security > deposit, which was 3 times mine (only half of it was non-refundable), [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Jane > - owned and operated by Princess Rita Why on earth would they want a vet checkup to say the cat is healthy?????????? **BOGGLE** >> My current apartment complex accepts pets. Fin had his own security >> deposit, which was 3 times mine (only half of it was non-refundable), [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Why on earth would they want a vet checkup to say the cat is > healthy?????????? **BOGGLE** Can't say for your locale, but I am very familiar (several residences way far from each other) with city/county/province codes, ordinances, and licensing requirements. Some places you can get away with ignoring them; many condo HOA's and rental complexes mandate compliance with, *in writing* for their records. And we are talking registering pets and wearable tags. > Can't say for your locale, but I am very familiar (several > residences way far from each other) with [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > compliance with, *in writing* for their records. > And we are talking registering pets and wearable tags. At one time, the condo board wanted to pass a new bylaw to restrict the size of pets allowed. They also wanted to have proof of vaccinations. But we never got enough owners to attend the annual meeting to cast a vote. Winnie >There is a terrible habit > among landlords out west here of charging "pet rent" - usually $10 to > $30 a month - on TOP of your usual apt. rent (I never saw this in FL > but that might have just been area I lived in); I've never encountered it in the Los Angeles area, either, until just recently. Fortunately, there are enough "pet friendly" buildings here, along with those that simply charge a pet deposit, so I could simply tell that prospective landord to "Take a hike!" SignatureNewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth > I've never encountered it in the Los Angeles area, either, until > just recently. Fortunately, there are enough "pet friendly" > buildings here, along with those that simply charge a pet deposit, > so I could simply tell that prospective landord to "Take a hike!" For some reason I read this as "pot friendly"! Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca >> There is a terrible habit >> among landlords out west here of charging "pet rent" - usually $10 to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > charge a pet deposit, so I could simply tell that > prospective landord to "Take a hike!" Some apartments in the Memphis, TN area charge extra pet rent, others don't. They *all* charge a pet deposit if they accept pets; some of the pet deposits are outrageous ($500/month per pet). My apartment complex only charged $125 but tacked on an extra $10/month in "pet rent". After a few years it went up to $15/month. When I lost my job the apartment manager waived the monthly pet rent for me. Every little bit helps. Jill >>>There is a terrible habit >>>among landlords out west here of charging "pet rent" - usually $10 to [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > years it went up to $15/month. When I lost my job the apartment manager > waived the monthly pet rent for me. Every little bit helps. I agree $500 is outrageous, but if it's a monthly charge, it's not a "deposit"! A deposit is a one-time payment to indemnify the owner against loss, and why would anyone PAY that much more than once? (Unless your "pet" is a full-grown lion or something that you'd have truble housing anywhere?) > Jill SignatureNewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth >>>> There is a terrible habit >>>> among landlords out west here of charging "pet rent" - usually $10 [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > I agree $500 is outrageous, but if it's a monthly charge EEEEP! I meant $500 per pet, not per month! And even per pet it's outrageous. Then the monthly pet rent of $10, 15, some places 20 or 25 dollars extra per month. (You see I was typing at 5AM. I haven't had any sleep for a few days due to problems with pain in my right shoulder and arm.) Jill > EEEEP! I meant $500 per pet, not per month! And even per pet it's > outrageous. Then the monthly pet rent of $10, 15, some places 20 or 25 > dollars extra per month. (You see I was typing at 5AM. I haven't had any > sleep for a few days due to problems with pain in my right shoulder and > arm.) I have a simlar problem - I find it bothers me a lot less when I don't use the computer so much, but who wants to do that? SignatureNewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth > When Nancy and I were looking for a rental property 4 years ago (it's hard > to believe we've been here this long) we had an awful time finding a place [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > indoor fur-family. He says that he is going to give preference to other > kitty-families when screening other potential renters :) Here in Australia, or at least, NSW in Australia, the standard lease is "no pets". Most real estate agents couldn't be bothered changing from the standard lease, so its *oficially* "no pets" even if you have a verbal agreement to be allowed to have them. Most landlords aren't that unreasonable, but then again most landlords here go through real estate agents, and therefore they are hard to contact and talk to person to person when you only get their name and have no other way of contacting them *except* the agent. Each and every place I've rented, Shmogg has been a "what cat?". Indeed, I had two "what budgies?" and a bowl of "what fish?" at one time, too. No-one seemed to complain.... mostly because I paid the rent on time. Yowie I'm not surprised your landlord would give preference to cat-families. Here in Buffalo, it's routine. Buffalo and the inner-ring suburbs have a rat problem of majestic proportion. While the city recently implemented a closed-trash can ordinance, the vermin still spawn, and the vast majority of landlords want the cats. Many apartments are over businesses. I lived in one place over a nail shop, and the health codes are strict; if the guy--the owner and a nail artist himself--had been found with a rat in his place, it would have been lights out for him. Around here, most of the ads that say "no pets" really mean no dogs, and even then I think it's just a ruse to screen applicants. No landlord in a bad neighborhood turns down the guy with an obedience-trained Rottweiler. Blessed be, Baha > When Nancy and I were looking for a rental property 4 years ago (it's hard > to believe we've been here this long) we had an awful time finding a place [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > indoor fur-family. He says that he is going to give preference to other > kitty-families when screening other potential renters :) |
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