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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / October 2004China?
There's a possibility that I could get a long-term posting in China with the company I work for. The oppurtunity would be fantastic, Joel would love it and I think it would be great for Cary to be immersed in another culture and language whilst he can still learn language the 'natural' way. I'd love to learn Cantonese, and see an entirely different country, all whilst getting paid for the priveledge, not to mention the boost it would give my career. If the oppurtunity did eventuate, we'd be all for it except for two problems: Shmogg & Fluff What would we do about them? If we could manage to bring them with us, its very likely that they couldn't come back to Australia again. The travel would probably traumatise them, and there is no gurantee we'd get a place that would be OK for pets (Shmogg would be OK in an apartment, but Fluff needs a yard). As it would be a long term assignment (at least 6 months, possibly up to 5 years), boarding them doesn't seem sensible and rather cruel to be honest. Anybody know anything China and its attitude and policies towards pets? Any advice to anyone who has done this relocation thing with pets in tow?(Britta?) Yowie > There's a possibility that I could get a long-term posting in China with the > company I work for. The oppurtunity would be fantastic, Joel would love it [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Yowie I suppose it would depend on what part. I wonder where Alphonze is? > There's a possibility that I could get a long-term posting in China with the > company I work for. The oppurtunity would be fantastic, Joel would love it [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Yowie Sounds exciting Yowie and I sympathise with your problem. I get worried about the monsters even if we are away a month! Do you have any animal loving relatives that you could leave them with? It's probably the answer. I have very mixed feelings about China. While I realise that things have changed a lot I am still bothered about human rights and the way some of them treat their animals i.e. bile from bears, eating dogs, cats etc. We have travelled to several Asian countries (not China) and I was always glad to get home. There were always so many people and here at home it seemed quite empty - the way I like it :) Good luck with whatever you decide. Bev  SignatureThe email of the species is more deadly than the mail. > > There's a possibility that I could get a long-term posting in China with the > > company I work for. The oppurtunity would be fantastic, Joel would love it [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > home it seemed quite empty - the way I like it :) > Good luck with whatever you decide. Odd as it may seem, I'm not freaked out about people eating cats and/or dogs. I eat sheep, cows, pigs, kangaroos, chickens, fish, prawns and lobsters, and these creatures are no more inherently uneatable than cats or dogs. People keep such critters as pets and Hindus consider cows sacred, but I still eat them regardless. I don't eat duck, rabbit or deer for personal reasons (can't bear the thought of eating them), and if I come across a dish with cat or dog, I won't eat them for the same reasons I don't eat duck, rabbit or deer. My only hope is that the animals I *do* eat are killed humanely and don't suffer any more than absolutley necessary, and that they weren't someone's beloved pet before they turned into my dinner. I think it would be horribly hypocritical ofme to condemn the eating of meat from one type of animal when I happily eat the meat from another. The bile from bears is disgusting, yes (so is force feeding geese to get Pate de foie gras), and the human right record isn't that grand (but is Australia's any better, I wonder, thinking of those poor children in detention centres), but I know I certainly wouldn't be contributing to those problems, indeed, if anything, I'd be working against them if I ended up there. it wouldn't be a permanant move, but could be several years, hence my worry about the furkids. Yowie > Anybody know anything China and its attitude and policies towards pets? Any > advice to anyone who has done this relocation thing with pets in > tow?(Britta?) Sorry, I don't have any advice, but we'll be purring for some solution. That is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. Would be really hard to leave the furries behind, though. SignatureMarina, Frank and Nikki marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki > There's a possibility that I could get a long-term posting in China > with the company I work for. The oppurtunity would be fantastic, Joel [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Yowie It's the chance of a lifetime but you sure cannot board your beloved cats for that length of time. I am sorry I don't know about quarantine or restrictions on pets traveling from Australia to China and back again. Wish I could help in that regard. Any family who could take them in while you're gone if you can't take them with you? Jill > It's the chance of a lifetime but you sure cannot board your beloved cats > for that length of time. I am sorry I don't know about quarantine or [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Jill Like everybody keeps saying, it's a chance of a lifetime, which needs serious consideration. As to the quarantine etc. stuff you'd probably get the Aussie views from your local ministry of agriculture or whichever authority governs over livestock, animals, pets etc. (found it later - the DAFF) And the Chinese info from the nearest Chinese Embassy. Here are a few starting points: Emb. of China in Australia: http://www.chinaembassy.org.au/eng/ Emb. of Australia in China: http://www.austemb.org.cn/ DFAT site with contact data of Australian Embassies worldwide, as well as other info: http://www.dfat.gov.au/missions/countries/cn.html DAFF FAQ (what a bunch of acronyms...) icluding importing a dog/cat to Australia http://www.affa.gov.au/content/output.cfm?ObjectID=3513E665-C914-4401-BEFEEF6E52 1F00A0 or: http://tinyurl.com/5j2x2 SignatureChristine in Vantaa, Finland christal63 (at) yahoo (dot) com photos: http://photos.yahoo.com/christal63 Yowie! How exciting for you! Which bit of China will you be going to? That would very much dictate the feasibility of keeping animals. E-mail me... I know many people here with pets, and I'm sure I can find out the answers to any questions :) alphonze at uncon dot org Cheers, Al. > There's a possibility that I could get a long-term posting in China with the > company I work for. The oppurtunity would be fantastic, Joel would love it > and I think it would be great for Cary to be immersed in another culture and > language whilst he can still learn language the 'natural' way. I'd love to > learn Cantonese, and see an entirely different country, all whilst getting > paid for the priveledge, not to mention the boost it would give my career. alphonze@mail.com (Alphonze) had some very interesting things to say about Re: China?: >How exciting for you! Which bit of China will you be going to? That >would very much dictate the feasibility of keeping animals. >E-mail me... I know many people here with pets, and I'm sure I can >find out the answers to any questions :) You ARE still alive! It's been WAY too long since I've read you. And just *where* have you been and what have you been up to, young man? [tapping foot, while utterly failing to maintain straight face :-)] Signature"The universe is quite robust in design and appears to be doing just fine on its own, incompetent support staff notwithstanding. :-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL > You ARE still alive! It's been WAY too long since I've read you. And > just *where* have you been and what have you been up to, young man? > [tapping foot, while utterly failing to maintain straight face :-)] <mumble>Sorry mom</mumble> ;) Oh gosh, haven't been up to all that much. Moved back to China from Europe, started two new businesses, took on some employees, visited numerous countries. I'm currently in New York on a mad-dash-business trip, off to DC, then Miami, then Raleigh and back to London, then Hong Kong then Beijing. In the next 2 weeks. Last week I was in Geneva. And Munich. I always read RPCA, at least once a day. Just don't get all that much chance to post! Min the tubbytabby continues to thrive with her indulgent fosterparents. Last week she caught a bat and released it in the bedroom. Such a sense of humour, that cat! When things get a little less busy, I'm planning to join the Alleycats society of Hong Kong - a trap/neuter/release outfit for the city's strays. I'm sure that'll bring in lots of stories :) Cheers, Al. <posted and e-mailed) > Yowie! > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > E-mail me... I know many people here with pets, and I'm sure I can > find out the answers to any questions :) The place I could end up is Suzhou Industrial Park in China's Jiangsu Province, near Shanghai. Of course, I have no idea where that is...... Yowie >The place I could end up is Suzhou Industrial Park in China's Jiangsu >Province, near Shanghai. > >Of course, I have no idea where that is...... > >Yowie I have friends who were transferred there for a year. They hated it. But you're much more open-minded to the different cultures than they were. They had a real problem with *their* definition of "sanitary" as opposed to some of the things they saw. Don't mean to offend anyone here. I do think on a temporary basis it would be a marvelous experience for all three of you. What an adventure it would be. I understand the pet situation though. I'd have a hard time with that, too, unless I had trusted family members who would take them all in while I was gone. Sherry A friend of mine married a girl fron Northern China (they're the fiery ones allegedly) & they now live there. He brought her to see me during a home visit & I couldn't understand why she didn't enthuse over my "boys" (just Bandit & Pericles then). I quizzed her. Her reply: "You see, you view these animals as loved companions. We see them only as food". Careful....... Purrs Gordon & the TT SignatureFeline family viewable at: http://community.webshots.com/user/exocat > There's a possibility that I could get a long-term posting in China > Anybody know anything China and its attitude and policies towards > pets? > What would we do about them? If we could manage to bring them with us, its > very likely that they couldn't come back to Australia again. The travel [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > possibly up to 5 years), boarding them doesn't seem sensible and rather > cruel to be honest. Well everyone knows my views on travelling with pets.... ;o) Personally speaking, I would never take my mogs to Belize again, but the criteria I tried to think of when i was deciding whthere to take them with me was as follows... 1) Adequate housing, what is it like where they'll live? 2) What level of vet care is there, and how likely are my pets to become ill? Travelling, I can honestly say, I don't consider that bad - but then both my cats have flown over 20,000 miles to different corners of the world... Email me off-list if you want and we can talk it all through from pet passports to the minute... Helen m -- Hi Yowie, sorry for the late reply. I've been in Bangkok picking up Dennis. When we decided to move to Thailand from Vancouver, we got a lot of good info from this site: http://www.i-love-cats.com/meow/ramblincat/index.html Seems that to bring pets into China there's a 15-30 day quarantine. They will also need a health certificate. See http://www.china.org.cn/english/China/65206.htm I'd think that if you're near Shanghai you should be able to find adequate vet care, probably about the same as I've got here in Thailand. There is a reasonably sized expat community in Shanghai from what I've heard. To get them back into Australia, China is a category 6 country and you can't get them back in from there. You would need to be in a different country for 6 months before going home, then there's a 30 day quarantine. This is the problem we are facing getting Vino to Australia from Thailand. We need to get him back to Canada or into Malaysia for 6 months before moving. We'll figure something out and you could too if you really needed to. This is the link http://www.affa.gov.au/content/output.cfm?ObjectID=D2C48F86-BA1A-11A1-A2200060A1 B01896 SignatureBritta Sandpaper kisses, a cuddle and a purr. I have an alarm clock that's covered in fur! Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album > There's a possibility that I could get a long-term posting in China with the > company I work for. The oppurtunity would be fantastic, Joel would love it [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Yowie |
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