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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / April 2006Francis at Easter
I've just come in from the garden where I was pruning a buddliea. Francis reverted to kittenhood as he was pouncing on the clippings. With a particularly long bit, I ran about the garden (not an elegant sight) dragging the long cutting behind me and Francis was running after it, swiping at an batting the trailing bits with his paws. Not bad for a cat that had only days to live.. apparently :-) Cheers, helen s  Signature~~ you may need to remove dependence on fame & fortune from organisation to get correct email address ~Noodliness is Good~ I ran about the garden (not an elegant sight) > dragging the long cutting behind me //// An *INTERESTING* image. ;oP~~~ The mind truely boggles. ;o) Helen M > I ran about the garden (not an elegant sight) >> dragging the long cutting behind me //// > > An *INTERESTING* image. ;oP~~~ The mind truely boggles. ;o) > > Helen M Not just the mind... the earth reverberated as I ran. The vibrations could be picked up on a seismograph. 5.2 on the Richter Scale ;-) Cheers, helen s > I've just come in from the garden where I was pruning a buddliea. > Francis reverted to kittenhood as he was pouncing on the clippings. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Cheers, helen s JPEGs, MPEGs ? SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera) Cats leave pawprints on your heart. http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk >> I've just come in from the garden where I was pruning a buddliea. >> Francis reverted to kittenhood as he was pouncing on the clippings. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > JPEGs, MPEGs ? Alas none. Cheers, helen s > I've just come in from the garden where I was pruning a buddliea. > Francis reverted to kittenhood as he was pouncing on the clippings. With [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Cheers, helen s You go, Francis! Here's to a much longer and happy life. SignatureSam, closely supervised by Mistletoe > I've just come in from the garden where I was pruning a buddliea. > Francis reverted to kittenhood as he was pouncing on the clippings. With > a particularly long bit, I ran about the garden (not an elegant sight) > dragging the long cutting behind me and Francis was running after it, > swiping at an batting the trailing bits with his paws. Not bad for a cat > that had only days to live.. apparently :-) Go Francis! Always so nice to hear about how well Francis is doing. SignatureMarina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki. marina (dot) kurten (at) iki (dot) fi Stories and pics at http://koti.welho.com/mkurten/ Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki > I've just come in from the garden where I was pruning a buddliea. Francis > reverted to kittenhood as he was pouncing on the clippings. With a > particularly long bit, I ran about the garden (not an elegant sight) > dragging the long cutting behind me and Francis was running after it, > swiping at an batting the trailing bits with his paws. What a pity there isn't a video, I'd have loved to have seen it! > Not bad for a cat that had only days to live.. apparently :-) You've never got over this, have you? We know our own animals best. Young vets can be an asset to a practice as they are up on all the latest treatment. OTOH they see everything very black/white being fresh from vet school and it takes quite a while before they add the owner into the equation and think well, maybe the owner is fond of this animal, and maybe I could try harder to save it if that's what they want. I have a very faint suspicion that the young vet that was treating my goose, Enid, might have overdosed her on wormer on her last day and that's why she had a seizure and died. She was doing pretty well before that. I have a feeling that I read somewhere that the goose dose for that particular wormer was 0.5 ml. The last item on her vet bill (before the bit that said "large bird cremation.. X amount) said Panacur 2 ml. I have to look into this. I will, of course, pay the bill, hopefully in monthly amounts but if it proves that she was OD'd I will expect them to get me a new goose, a young one, for Shylock who is pining away and sad. Tweed <snip> > I have a very faint suspicion that the young vet that was treating my goose, > Enid, might have overdosed her on wormer on her last day and that's why she [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Tweed Have you talked to the vet yet about the possible overdose of the wormer? Lots and lots of purrs for Shylock and you, Christina, Polonca and Soncek > <snip> >> I have a very faint suspicion that the young vet that was treating [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> the bit that said "large bird cremation.. X amount) said Panacur 2 >> ml. I have to look into this. Well, I did find a website run by very experienced waterfowl keepers who stated that the Panacur 10% (the one that was used) should only be given to geese up to 10 kg (Enid was more like 6 kg) in 0.5 ml dose. Hmmm. Now how to approach this with my vet? How to say "I think you overdosed my goose on wormer and that's what ultimately caused her death?" > I will, of course, pay the bill, >> hopefully in monthly amounts but if it proves that she was OD'd I [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Have you talked to the vet yet about the possible overdose of the > wormer? Not yet. I've phoned and left messages three times to ask about the results of the post mortem as Shylock had become depressed and ill and I needed to know if Enid might have had anything contagious that I could treat. I've had no reply. > Lots and lots of purrs for Shylock. I'm sad to report that he passed away also and was buried in his beloved orchard tonight. I need to know what Enid had, if it was something she could have passed to Shylock I needed to know sooner, her post mortem was 16th April. Okay, Easter intervened that would slow things up, but Enid was improving until she was wormed, and seizure is a sign of Panacur o/d. I suspect my vet is avoiding me. It's awful to be without any geese as I've had them for many years. They are very intelligent. I loved it when I went down the path towards the orchard in the morning and the geese would hear me coming and shout to me to let them out of their hut *right now* I loved it when they went obediently into their hut at night because I'd taught them that. Geese are brilliant and I miss them a lot already. Tweed > I'm sad to report that he passed away also and was buried in his beloved > orchard tonight. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > she was wormed, and seizure is a sign of Panacur o/d. > I suspect my vet is avoiding me.//// I'm so very sorry to hear about Shylock. :o( If it were me, I'd be over there in person discussing my *concerns*. They can't avoid you then. Having said that, I'm the nightmare-owner-from-hell - and I was even worse in the USA after the vet talked about declawing.... Helen M >> I'm sad to report that he passed away also and was buried in his beloved >> orchard tonight. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Helen M NO! They suggested it???? >> I'm sad to report that he passed away also and was buried in his beloved >> orchard tonight. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > If it were me, I'd be over there in person discussing my *concerns*. > They can't avoid you then. This will be my next step if I don't hear soon. Tweed > I'm sad to report that he passed away also and was buried in his > beloved orchard tonight. So sorry - many commiserations. RIP Shylock, the many people who'd learned about you will miss you. Once I had a small lake beside my farmhouse and Canada geese would wing in to overnight there. They were mostly quite unafraid of me and I could get very close. They were obviously great characters and I can see how you'd miss your very own near-pets. I hope after the necessary period of mourning Shylock II and Portia (?) will grace your establishment. As for the vets, yes they're looking increasingly guilty and I'd certainly be withholding payment (or further payment if you've begun instalments) until a very full face-to-face explanation of the autopsy has been provided. But then, like Helen, I'm a "difficult customer" and not afraid of confrontation when I think I have good reason. Purrs Gordon & the FF >> I'm sad to report that he passed away also and was buried in his beloved >> orchard tonight. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > provided. But then, like Helen, I'm a "difficult customer" and not afraid > of confrontation when I think I have good reason. Ah, well, you see, I am normally not a difficult customer at all as I've been pretty well happy (apart from minor hiccups) with this vet practice since I was a child and took my rabbit there ;-) They have done sterling work for me over the years, available 24/7 every day of the year and did an emergency spleen removal on my dog and saved her life on a Bank Holiday. I'll wait and see what the explanation is. It's probably not worth falling out with them over a goose but if Enid's death was eventually caused by wormer o/d I expect them to hold up their hands to it and ensure it doesn't happen again. There is more to it than this though, otherwise Shylock wouldn't have died. I shan't be satisfied until the vet gets to the bottom of it and gives me a reason. Tweed <snip> > I'm sad to report that he [Shylock] passed away also and was buried in his > beloved orchard tonight. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > taught them that. > Geese are brilliant and I miss them a lot already. I'm so sorry, Tweed. Honks for Shylock & Enid, an dmay they enjoy their time at Rainbow Bridge. Please make absolutely sure that our vet knows about Panacur even if its just so that it doens't happen to another goose. Purrs to you too. Yowie >> <snip> >>> I have a very faint suspicion that the young vet that was treating [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > Tweed Oh this is awful :(((( I feel terrible for you and definitely the vet needs to get you results. If it were here, with the big bird flu scare, I bet you could get the law to lean on them. I'm so very sorry about Shylock :(((((((***** >> <snip> >>> I have a very faint suspicion that the young vet that was treating [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > Tweed So sorry to hear about Shylock. SignatureSam, closely supervised by Mistletoe >>Lots and lots of purrs for Shylock. > > I'm sad to report that he passed away also and was buried in his beloved > orchard tonight. I'm really sorry to hear about Shylock. It's so sad. We'll be thinking of you. <snip> >> Lots and lots of purrs for Shylock. > > I'm sad to report that he passed away also and was buried in his > beloved orchard tonight. I'm so sorry to hear that, the place must seem very empty without any geese. > I need to know what Enid had, if it was something she could have > passed to Shylock I needed to know sooner, her post mortem was 16th > April. Okay, Easter intervened that would slow things up, but Enid > was improving until she was wormed, and seizure is a sign of Panacur > o/d. > I suspect my vet is avoiding me. If he is avoiding you maybe it's because he feels guilty, not that that's any excuse. I hope you find the cause of Enid's death so when you get more geese you can know you've done all you can. > It's awful to be without any geese as I've had them for many years. > They are very intelligent. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Tweed Is the vet that treated Enid the same one that treats the cats? If not, and he refuses to answer your questions, I'd be inclined to sue. SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera) Cats leave pawprints on your heart. http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk > <snip> >>> Lots and lots of purrs for Shylock. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I'm so sorry to hear that, the place must seem very empty without any > geese. It does. I still expect to see them every time I go down to the orchard :-( >> I need to know what Enid had, if it was something she could have >> passed to Shylock I needed to know sooner, her post mortem was 16th [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > If he is avoiding you maybe it's because he feels guilty, not that that's > any excuse. It certainly feels like he's avoiding me, but I am just one owner who thinks that my concerns should be foremost in his mind. Of course, that isn't so. Finding time to phone me about a bird that is already dead is probably low on his list of priorities in a busy practice where he's likely to be otherwise engaged now, operating, saving lives, visiting etc. > I hope you find the cause of Enid's death so when you get more > geese you can know you've done all you can. I won't get any more without knowing what killed them both. Something in the soil? Geese like to eat soil. Were they poisoned in some way? By neighbours? I hope not and I doubt it. By eating a poisonous plant? I have looked all over the orchard and I cannot see any harmful plants. I can't find any goose diseases on the net that fit the symptoms either. Shylock was showing neurological symptoms near the end. I just don't know what it could have been, so I'll have to wait until I get the pm report, however long it takes. > Is the vet that treated Enid the same one that treats the cats? It's a 6 vet practice I've used for megayears as they are the only mixed practice (do farm animals too) near here and this particular vet hasn't treated my cats as yet. >If not, and > he refuses to answer your questions, He'll have to answer my questions eventually because I am not paying Enid's bill until I *get* an answer. Or maybe he thinks that because he offered to get the post-mortem done free of charge that I am not entitled to know the results because I didn't pay for it. A 220 pounds. 400 dollars-ish, vet's bill resulting in a dead goose in the end.. I certainly think I deserve to know the post mortem results for that. >I'd be inclined to sue. I don't want to go down that route, Adrian. If an animal dies the initial reaction is to want to sue the vet for not saving it. This is a grief reaction which vets are prepared for from dog, cat and horse owners. It will all come to light in the end. Eventually the post-mortem results will show what caused Enid's/ maybe Shylock's death and I will be glad to know in case whateveritwas would be a risk for any new geese. I will leave it two more weeks and if I don't hear I will contact one of the senior partners. I shan't let it rest until I know. Nothing like this has ever happened before, the last goose that died here was 21 years old so I know it's nothing that I'm doing (or not doing.) Tweed <snipp> > He'll have to answer my questions eventually because I am not paying Enid's > bill until I *get* an answer. Or maybe he thinks that because he offered to [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Tweed I'm so very sorry to hear about Shylock. You are right about demanding answers from the vet or the senior partners and not paying the bill before that. Hugs and purrs, Polonca and Soncek > I'm sad to report that he passed away also and was buried in his beloved > orchard tonight. I'm so sorry to hear this Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs >> Lots and lots of purrs for Shylock. > > I'm sad to report that he passed away also and was buried in his > beloved orchard tonight. I'm so sorry to hear this. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca >> I've just come in from the garden where I was pruning a buddliea. Francis >> reverted to kittenhood as he was pouncing on the clippings. With a [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Tweed I'm the first to admit I know very little about vet care for birds of any sort, but is worming at all something you would do to any animal that was already ill and stressed? Unless you knew for sure that worms were the problem? I don't know about this particular medicine. Maybe it is possible that it comes in 2ml units and that a unit can only be used one time. That she wasn't given the entire amount. It would make sense that it is normally given to several members of a flock at once. Jo > I've just come in from the garden where I was pruning a buddliea. > Francis reverted to kittenhood as he was pouncing on the clippings. With [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Cheers, helen s I'm so very happy to hear Francis is enjoying himself so much! We are sending lots and lots of purrs and best wishes for Francis and the rest of your family to be together for a very long time, Polonca and Soncek |
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