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Karen - 13 Apr 2006 15:47 GMT
I tell you what, since I started avoiding almost anything that is not
organic I have seen a major improvement (also on Librax still). I am also
observing that the *combination* in which I eat is important (I believe).
but the biggest thing is I have not eaten out at any restaurant except the
organic deli and one greek restaurant where I know everything is made from
fresh food. It might be worth investigating trying to stick to as
unprocessed of food as possible and don't let yourself get too far from a
healthy snack. Also, anything you eat that is acidic (even like an orange
etc.) make sure you have a nice soluble thing with it - even a half piece of
organic white bread. Just some thoughts (takes some planning but does seem
to make a diff).
Monique Y. Mudama - 13 Apr 2006 15:59 GMT
> I tell you what, since I started avoiding almost anything that is
> not organic I have seen a major improvement (also on Librax still).
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> of organic white bread. Just some thoughts (takes some planning but
> does seem to make a diff).

Thanks, Karen!

As I understand it, everyone is different.  I am 100% convinced that
stress is the determining factor for me.  Food probably affects it,
but regardless of what I eat, it seems that my stomach will be upset
if I am stressed.

Hopefully I can get an appt with my doctor today and maybe we can rule
out/in an ulcer ...

Unfortunately, my lifestyle is closely tied to eating out, and I'm not
sure I can totally eliminate it.  But it's worth trying to minimize if
it does make a difference.

As for acidic, I think that may be a problem when I drink decaf
coffee.  I've stopped drinking the decaf at work, but maybe I need to
eliminate it totally.  That would be awful =/

The xylitol was a horrible idea. It didn't make my stomach *hurt*, but
even one little packet in my drink caused my stomach to rumble
ominously and, er, well, the results just weren't pleasant.  You were
right about that one.  DH reported similar issues.

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Karen - 13 Apr 2006 16:43 GMT
> > I tell you what, since I started avoiding almost anything that is
> > not organic I have seen a major improvement (also on Librax still).
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> sure I can totally eliminate it.  But it's worth trying to minimize if
> it does make a difference.

Look for restaurants in your area that make things from scratch. It will
help and I would think in your area (CO being the naturalist place it is)
there would be some good ones. You can get take out from those places too. I
would guess this is maybe the biggest difference in the last month. I used
eat out practically everyday.

> As for acidic, I think that may be a problem when I drink decaf
> coffee.  I've stopped drinking the decaf at work, but maybe I need to
> eliminate it totally.  That would be awful =/

One address:

http://www.toddycafe.com/

Strips 67% of acid out of coffee. I simply refuse to give up coffee. I
bought one of these two weeks ago. Now, it isn't AS good as brewed, or
rather I should say it is a bit different than brewed. Really smooth. But it
is very good. You only have to make every once in a while (I do it on say
Saturday night). It really does make a HUGE difference. Use filtered water
for best effect. Best 30 bucks you can spend.

> The xylitol was a horrible idea. It didn't make my stomach *hurt*, but
> even one little packet in my drink caused my stomach to rumble
> ominously and, er, well, the results just weren't pleasant.  You were
> right about that one.  DH reported similar issues.

I'm telling you, I"ve decided that for some folks, if it isn't the way God
made it, your body is going to do terrible things. I knew that about me too,
from when Grandma's packaged soft cookies came out. I took one bite of those
(this was back in my college days mind) and I could TASTE the chemicals
used. I couldn't finish (and believe me, I could eat anything back then).
Same with aspartame. I will say, I've had *small* amounts of Splenda that
didn't seem to cause a problem, but mostly, I'd just stick with honey or
something if I need it. See if you have a local natural foods CO-OP with a
deli. Mine is SOOOOO great. The food is delicious. THey make different stuff
everyday. I have been just getting some of their salads and stuff and their
"take home" meals. Faster than take out, and better. I also have great luck
with Amy's Country Vegetable pot pies, the black bean enchildas and her
Chili with cornbread. (I do take Beano before I eat anything really fiber
filled - just to make sure). I still think that there is something funky
with my ovary but all the other stuff as reeeeeaaally made a 180 turn.

YOu just have to figure out which things do it for you or not.
Monique Y. Mudama - 13 Apr 2006 22:06 GMT
> Look for restaurants in your area that make things from scratch. It
> will help and I would think in your area (CO being the naturalist
> place it is) there would be some good ones. You can get take out
> from those places too. I would guess this is maybe the biggest
> difference in the last month. I used eat out practically everyday.

It's possible, but typically expensive and time consuming.  The likely
choice organic foods market in Boulder has the parking lot from hell,
for example, and I'm literally afraid to park there during peak hours.

> One address:
>
> http://www.toddycafe.com/

I've been curious about these for a while.  Maybe time to check 'em
out.

Anyway, I saw a doctor today. She agrees that my symptoms point to
IBS, but she also took blood for a thyroid test and I'm supposed to
give some icky samples to a lab to rule out parasites and whatnot.

She prescribed me an anti-spasmodic (sp?) to try; curious to see if it
will help and how the side effects are.  She also mentioned that anti
depressants have been successfully used in treating IBS.  That's a
possibility, but one that makes me uneasy.

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W. Leong - 14 Apr 2006 04:46 GMT
> It's possible, but typically expensive and time consuming.  The likely
> choice organic foods market in Boulder has the parking lot from hell,
> for example, and I'm literally afraid to park there during peak hours.

I am within walking distance to a health food store and it sells organic
foods too. The organic foods market in town is in some obscure places.
Maybe you can find a more convenient health food store to get
organic food instead of going to the organic foods market.
Even some supermarkets carry organic foods now as the demand for
them are growing.

> Anyway, I saw a doctor today. She agrees that my symptoms point to
> IBS, but she also took blood for a thyroid test and I'm supposed to
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> depressants have been successfully used in treating IBS.  That's a
> possibility, but one that makes me uneasy.

I can understand that. I was antidepressants once and stopped taking it
before the prescription
was finished. There can be many side effects. Did the doctor say your
symptoms
may be brought on by stress?
If you do want to try a high fiber diet, ncrease the fiber slowly.

Winnie
W. Leong - 14 Apr 2006 06:22 GMT
> I've been curious about these for a while.  Maybe time to check 'em
> out.
>
> Anyway, I saw a doctor today. She agrees that my symptoms point to
> IBS, but she also took blood for a thyroid test and I'm supposed to
> give some icky samples to a lab to rule out parasites and whatnot.

There  is  a good section on IBS at http://www.drweil.com/u/HC/HCA259/#4
Worth checking it out.

Winnie

> She prescribed me an anti-spasmodic (sp?) to try; curious to see if it
> will help and how the side effects are.  She also mentioned that anti
> depressants have been successfully used in treating IBS.  That's a
> possibility, but one that makes me uneasy.
mlbriggs - 13 Apr 2006 18:47 GMT
>> I tell you what, since I started avoiding almost anything that is
>> not organic I have seen a major improvement (also on Librax still).
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
> ominously and, er, well, the results just weren't pleasant.  You were
> right about that one.  DH reported similar issues.

Perhaps you should try a good soup (no cream) and see how that works.  
MLB
Monique Y. Mudama - 13 Apr 2006 23:27 GMT
> Perhaps you should try a good soup (no cream) and see how that
> works.  MLB

Do you have a specific reason in mind that that would help?  Maybe
easier to digest?

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mlbriggs - 14 Apr 2006 01:59 GMT
>> Perhaps you should try a good soup (no cream) and see how that
>> works.  MLB
>
> Do you have a specific reason in mind that that would help?  Maybe
> easier to digest?

That is it!
 When I have problems, soup seems to be easier to digest.   MLB
Yowie - 13 Apr 2006 23:41 GMT
>> I tell you what, since I started avoiding almost anything that is
>> not organic I have seen a major improvement (also on Librax still).
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
> ominously and, er, well, the results just weren't pleasant.  You were
> right about that one.  DH reported similar issues.

I feel fo ryou, Monique. When I'm stressed I get the most aweful stomach
cramps then really bad diarrhea too. I have to watch what I eat, as well.
Oddly, if I eat too much from the cabbage family, it sets of my cramps and
diarrhea. As do all non-naturally occuring sugars (ie, I can have sucrose,
fructose, glucose and galactose and lactose but thats about it). I also have
to watch by coffee intake, too much or too strong and I'm racing for the loo
soon afterwards. It didn't seem to be the caffeine, though, but rather,
something else in the cofee, as decaf can do the same thing, and I'm worse
if I have instant coffee than I am if I get a proper brew. Tea just makes me
pee alot, btu doesn't cause cramps.

Not coincidentally, I found really increasing my fibre intake and decreasing
my high-GI foods (like white bread, white rice, chips etc etc) and high-fat
foods (fries, pizza etc) and beiing careful with high protein foods (like
red meat, cheese - its OK to eat them providing I'm eating them with a good
amount of roughage) also helped. Having, erm, 'bulk' in the system seemed to
stop it from breaking down into liquid whenever I was stressing. Oh yeah,
and drink more water. It sounds counter intuitive, but bulky and well
hydrated colon contents are far more resistant to the vagueries of stress
induced cramps and diarrhea than hard, dry stools (coz the body has trouble
moving those along so tends to 'fluch' them out, rather than letting them
move along naturally).

And small meals often seems to work better than large meals with big spaces
of 'nothing' in between.

Make sure you walk every day. The act of walking also helps the various
muscles, tendons and other bits in our gut area push along the contents. Its
also good for you and releives stress :-). One thing I found with my job and
stress was that if the weather wasn't good enough to go outside and have a
quick walk and see grass & trees & sky etc etc, was to ignore the PC (which
is hard when one is addicted to RPCA....) and *paint*. I keep a stash of
water colour pencils in a draw, and colour in/paint line drawings i've found
on the 'net. I'm in no way an artist, but there is somethign about applying
bright colours (everything where I work is grey or some sort of dull muted
colour) and being creative about what colour to apply where that really
de-stressed me.

Hope you can find somethign that helps in all that.

Yowie
Monique Y. Mudama - 13 Apr 2006 23:49 GMT
> Hope you can find somethign that helps in all that.

Thank you so much for all of your suggestions, Yowie!  My dr. also
mentioned trying a higher-fiber diet, saying that it might help or
might make it worse, but at least I could try it.

I have gotten to the point where I'm not really working out at all,
which is horrible for so many parts of me.  Last weekend I did finally
get on my mountain bike, both days.  I'm hoping to do a lot of that
this weekend, too.

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Karen - 14 Apr 2006 02:20 GMT
>> Hope you can find somethign that helps in all that.
>
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> get on my mountain bike, both days.  I'm hoping to do a lot of that
> this weekend, too.

Yeah, increasing my fiber has really helped. You know, I discovered I
was eating a LOT of insoluble fiber and not much soluble fiber. So,
when I was sickest, I increased the soluble fiber first and then after
a week started adding the roughage of insoluble fiber back in. This
seems to be working way better. It has taught me I should probably eat
some of those things I was not like bread, pasts, rice. Yams are good
too. Benefiber helped as it is completely soluble and has no taste
(yeah!) so you can really mix it in with anything.
W. Leong - 14 Apr 2006 04:36 GMT
> Yeah, increasing my fiber has really helped. You know, I discovered I was
> eating a LOT of insoluble fiber and not much soluble fiber. So, when I was
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> is completely soluble and has no taste (yeah!) so you can really mix it in
> with anything.

Karen, can you mention a few food items that are high in soluble fiber and
some that are heigh in insoluble fibre?
Which type of fibre are in green vegetables and beans?
Thanks!

Winnie
Karen - 14 Apr 2006 05:25 GMT
>> Yeah, increasing my fiber has really helped. You know, I discovered I
>> was eating a LOT of insoluble fiber and not much soluble fiber. So,
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>
> Winnie

This is the list I kept seeing everywhere for soluble fiber so, I
worked off that and added all other fibers back in; seems like most
everything else is insoluble to some degree. But I'm not an expert by
any means. There is very little on this list that I ate before:

As a general rule, the grain and cereal foods at the top of this list
make the safest, easiest, and most versatile soluble fiber foundations
for your meals and snacks.

Rice
Pasta and noodles
Oatmeal
Barley
Fresh white breads such as French or sourdough (NOT whole wheat or
whole grain)*
Rice cereals
Flour tortillas
Soy
Quinoa
Corn meal
Potatoes
Carrots
Yams
Sweet potatoes
Turnips
Rutabagas
Parsnips
Beets
Squash and pumpkins
Mushrooms
Chestnuts
AvocadosBananas
Applesauce
Mangoes
Papayas

*Please choose a baked-daily, high quality, preservative-free brand.
White bread does not mean Wonder.
sriddles@aol.com - 13 Apr 2006 16:21 GMT
> I tell you what, since I started avoiding almost anything that is not
> organic I have seen a major improvement (also on Librax still). I am also
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> organic white bread. Just some thoughts (takes some planning but does seem
> to make a diff).

Glad you're feeling better! I bet it is next to impossible to find a
restaurant that serves organic food.
It's hard here, to find a restaurant that has options for a fat-free
diet. You'd be surprised how many of them don't even have a bottle of
fat-free salad dressing, or offer egg substitute. . Maybe it's just a
southern thing. It's better than it used to be. At least now, even the
fast food places have things like fat-free smoothies.

Sherry
Karen - 13 Apr 2006 16:54 GMT
> > I tell you what, since I started avoiding almost anything that is not
> > organic I have seen a major improvement (also on Librax still). I am also
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>
> Sherry

It's not too bad here in Lincoln actually. But I can imagine down south
would be horrible.
Karen - 13 Apr 2006 16:57 GMT
Hey, check this out:

http://www.oklahomafood.coop/pipermail/members/2005-February/000217.html
sriddles@aol.com - 13 Apr 2006 22:11 GMT
> Hey, check this out:
>
> http://www.oklahomafood.coop/pipermail/members/2005-February/000217.html

That's interesting, and very annoying. He's absolutely right about two
things: You have to watch what the legislature sneaks through. That
bill was passed purely for the benefit of big business, NOT for food
safety for Oklahomans.
Second thing is, if you have ever eaten a "yard chicken", the meat
bears absolutely no resemblance to that putrid, disgusting, slimy,
stinky stuff Tyson passes off at the meat counter. Healthy yard-bird
meat isn't even close to the same color, or smell, or taste, as Tyson
chicken.
I quit buying meat-counter chicken ages ago. I also only buy free-range
eggs for DH. They're way better too, and keep fresh a lot longer.
Monique Y. Mudama - 13 Apr 2006 17:12 GMT
> Glad you're feeling better! I bet it is next to impossible to find a
> restaurant that serves organic food.  It's hard here, to find a
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> thing. It's better than it used to be. At least now, even the fast
> food places have things like fat-free smoothies.

Why fat free as opposed to low-fat?  My understanding is that fat free
foods often uses sugar or other sweeteners to "make up for" the flavor
loss.

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sriddles@aol.com - 13 Apr 2006 22:05 GMT
> > Glad you're feeling better! I bet it is next to impossible to find a
> > restaurant that serves organic food.  It's hard here, to find a
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> --
> monique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully

I don't care anything about sugar or calories. I'm too thin already and
I always try to choose high-calorie stuff. The problem is, I am on the
heart-healthy diet, and if I stick to it, I can barely maintain the
weight I have. It's the fat that I have to avoid, because of artery
disease.

Sherry
Monique Y. Mudama - 13 Apr 2006 22:20 GMT
> I don't care anything about sugar or calories. I'm too thin already
> and I always try to choose high-calorie stuff. The problem is, I am
> on the heart-healthy diet, and if I stick to it, I can barely
> maintain the weight I have. It's the fat that I have to avoid,
> because of artery disease.

Interesting.  I'm still surprised you would have to go with no fat, as
opposed to low fat.

I tried a very low fat diet two years ago.  It was great for a while,
but it didn't work for me in the long run.  I don't think it was wise
for me to be putting in serious miles on the bicycle every day and
still eating a very fat-limited diet.

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sriddles@aol.com - 13 Apr 2006 22:49 GMT
> > I don't care anything about sugar or calories. I'm too thin already
> > and I always try to choose high-calorie stuff. The problem is, I am
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Interesting.  I'm still surprised you would have to go with no fat, as
> opposed to low fat.

Extremely low cholesterol has been proven to reverse CAD. (along with
other lifestyle stuff of course... I didn't suffer through three
surgeries so I could eat Ranch dressing. LOL.
"Low fat" is relative. Look at the label for "low fat" salad dressing.
Six to eight grams of fat per tablespoon...that's a lot of fat grams to
blow on salad dressing. If I'm going to ingest six fat grams, it's
gonna be on something I like a lot better than "no fat" vs. "low fat"
salad dressing. It's a balance, really.
But after going off high-fat food for nearly five years, it tastes
gross to me now anyway.

Sherry
> but it didn't work for me in the long run.  I don't think it was wise
> for me to be putting in serious miles on the bicycle every day and
> still eating a very fat-limited diet.

I can see how limiting protein would be very bad for you, but I don't
see the benefit of saturated fat in your diet. What is it?

Sherry

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Monique Y. Mudama - 13 Apr 2006 23:12 GMT
>> Interesting.  I'm still surprised you would have to go with no fat,
>> as opposed to low fat.
>
> blow on salad dressing. If I'm going to ingest six fat grams, it's
> gonna be on something I like a lot better than "no fat" vs. "low
> fat" salad dressing. It's a balance, really.  

Yeah, that makes perfect sense.

>> but it didn't work for me in the long run.  I don't think it was
>> wise for me to be putting in serious miles on the bicycle every day
>> and still eating a very fat-limited diet.
>
> I can see how limiting protein would be very bad for you, but I
> don't see the benefit of saturated fat in your diet. What is it?

Well, I didn't say saturated fat!  Fat is fuel, and I put myself on a
regimen of maybe 30g of fat a day, much less than was actually
recommended for even a lean diet.  And on that I was doing several
hours of strenuous exercise every day.

Later I read some articles specifically talking about how endurance
athletes (not sure I fit into that category, exactly, but anyway)
performed better and had fewer illnesses and injuries in the long run
if they consumed more fat.

I dunno. Covert Bailey says that even athletes do well on low-fat
diets.  I guess you can find someone to support just about anything.

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jmcquown - 14 Apr 2006 01:42 GMT
> I tell you what, since I started avoiding almost anything that is not
> organic I have seen a major improvement (also on Librax still).
(snippage)

I saw Paul Newman on The Tonight Show last week.  His daughter (Lisa?)
introduced an organic line of foods as a subsidiary off of his Newman's Own
food line (proceeds of which go to various charities).  His daughter
introduced organic dog food.  Jay Leno made him a bet of $10 that Paul
Newman wouldn't eat the organic dog food.  Paul hesitated a moment, then
grabbed the open can (chicken and brown rice, I believe it was) and took a
spoonful and ate it.  He actually looked like he liked it.  As they were
cutting to a commercial break, he took another spoonful and was eating it.

I don't know if this proves anything other than Paul Newman supports his
daughters efforts to offer organic dog food, but pulleeeze... I don't want
to see someone eating canned dog food on television!  Reminds me of Johnny
Carson begging for Alpo when Ed McMahon used to do live commercials for that
product.  I fed my dog Alpo until he was elderly and on prescription food
but I wouldn't have eaten it.  Would you (the collective you) eat Fancy
Feast?  That stuff is often more expensive than a can of jack mackerel or
salmon when it comes to the weight of the cans.  Come on, folks.

I have nothing against organic but I'm not going to avoid foodstuffs that
don't use pesticides.  I use pesticides in my house when those damned
Palmetto bugs and Wolf crickets wander in from outside.  I just make sure it
doesn't affect me and my cats or their food supply.

Jill
Jo Firey - 14 Apr 2006 02:49 GMT
>> I tell you what, since I started avoiding almost anything that is not
>> organic I have seen a major improvement (also on Librax still).
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>
> Jill

Charlie came home with several different types of treats for the dog last
week.  He said the guy running the cash register was snacking on some of
them.  I must admit they smell better than what we used to give our dog when
I was a kid.

And my daughter ate plenty of Purina Dog Chow when she was a baby.  Didn't
seem to do any harm.

Jo
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 14 Apr 2006 04:18 GMT
>>I tell you what, since I started avoiding almost anything that is not
>>organic I have seen a major improvement (also on Librax still).
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> Feast?  That stuff is often more expensive than a can of jack mackerel or
> salmon when it comes to the weight of the cans.  Come on, folks.

Depends upon what else was available! ;-)  Actually, it's
perfectly wholesome food (and, unlike some dog-food, does
not contain ground bone, which isn't particularly designed
for the human digestive system).  The fish-flavored ones are
a bit too fishy-tasting for human palates, and the meats are
too bland (although a little salt and a few herbs would
probably take care of that), but if it were served to you
with crackers and a spreader, and you didn't know it was
"pet food", I suspect most of us would ind it perfectly
acceptable.

> I have nothing against organic but I'm not going to avoid foodstuffs that
> don't use pesticides.  I use pesticides in my house when those damned
> Palmetto bugs and Wolf crickets wander in from outside.  I just make sure it
> doesn't affect me and my cats or their food supply.

As I understand it, foods raised without pesticides are free
of pests because of being grown with other foods that repel
the pests that might attack them.  Also, sometimes the
pesticides incorporate themselves INTO the food (DDT and
food-fish, for example - one reason DDT is no longer
routinely used).

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Tish Silberbauer - 14 Apr 2006 05:24 GMT
>> I have nothing against organic but I'm not going to avoid foodstuffs that
>> don't use pesticides.  I use pesticides in my house when those damned
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>food-fish, for example - one reason DDT is no longer
>routinely used).

<minor rant warning>
Organic producers / growers *do* use pesticides, it's just that they
use pesticides derived from natural products - e.g. pyrethrum derived
from the pyrethrum plant (a kind of daisy) or garlic, rather than
generated in a laboratory.  It is a very common fallacy that organic
means "pesticide free", but it ain't so.  

I do, however, strongly agree that the reduction in use (or banning)
of long-term, persistent pesticides and herbicides (like DDT) is a
good thing and we were stupid to have ever used these things.  People
will be paying for the use of these poisons for generations to come -
just look at the poor folks in Vietnam who are still suffering the
after-effects of the abuse of the defoliant (i.e. a herbicide) Agent
Orange during the Vietnam war.  

Oddly enough, some of these natural pesticides (pyrethrum being a good
example) *can* be more damaging to the local insect ecology than the
nasty laboratory ones that have a more specific action.  Pyrethrum is
extremely good at killing insects (unless they develop resistance -
another story), but its problem is that it is very broad in its action
and will kill beneficial as well as pest insects.  If you're an
organic or biodynamic farmer and want / need to maintain healthy
population of beneficial insects, which includes pollinators like bees
and predators like ladybirds, frequent spraying the totally natural,
organic and earth-friendly pyrethrum will do more harm than good.
Other pest control methods, like companion planting that Evelyn
mentioned, are more complex to use and require much more time
monitoring both pest and beneficial insect populations, but in a
small-scale operation that doesn't use large-scale monocultures, can
be better in the long run.

<rant finished>

I suppose that I'd better go out to my veggie patch now and pick off
the cabbage white butterfly eggs that have been laid on my broccoli
seedlings.  I only have 8 seedlings, so it's not too much of a chore!
Keeping the kangaroo out of my veggie patch is much more of a
challenge! (they've eaten *all* the leaves off my okra, stripped the
parsley, nibbled most of my chillis, and are having a serious attempt
at my basil - grrrr!).

Gosh, I didn't expect I'd write that much!
Tish
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 14 Apr 2006 06:33 GMT
> but in a small-scale operation that doesn't use large-scale
> monocultures, can be better in the long run.

Tish, just wondering what the word "monocultures" means in this context.
Does it mean planting a large area with a single crop, rather than mixing
different ones together?

Joyce
Tish Silberbauer - 14 Apr 2006 08:25 GMT
> > but in a small-scale operation that doesn't use large-scale
> > monocultures, can be better in the long run.
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>
>Joyce

I guess I was trying to make the distinction between a market garden
or home veggie patch and the broadacre crops like wheat, cotton and
canola.  There is a fair bit of evidence that mixing different crops
or vegetation types (doesn't always have to be crops - can be native
or decorative plants) in small patches means you have fewer pest
problems than having a lot of a single type of vegetation.  
Caveat: this is not my area of speciality, it is just something I'm
interested in.

Cheers,
Tish
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 14 Apr 2006 09:04 GMT
> >Tish, just wondering what the word "monocultures" means in this context.

> I guess I was trying to make the distinction between a market garden
> or home veggie patch and the broadacre crops like wheat, cotton and
> canola.

I've heard the term before and haven't been quite sure what it means.
Sounds like I guessed pretty much correctly.

Joyce
sriddles@aol.com - 14 Apr 2006 15:11 GMT
> > > but in a small-scale operation that doesn't use large-scale
> > > monocultures, can be better in the long run.
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> Cheers,
> Tish

Yes, that's right, to my understanding too. Monoculture is like acres
and acres of the same thing--that's a paradise to aphids, and other
pests. Organic gardening relies a lot on "companion" crops. Like
planting marigolds with your squash because it repels squash bugs. And
planting lavender and things that attract ladybugs and preying
mantises, so that you'll have them to eat the aphids and bad bugs.
Roses like to have garlic as a "companion".
Companion crops aren't a new fad at all. The Native Americans used that
concept.
Isn't it funny how after all the chemical research to develop the
chemical sprays, all the developing of the technology to have a way to
spray them, some of us like to go back to the way the Native Americans
did it hundreds of years ago.
Sherry
Yowie - 15 Apr 2006 13:06 GMT
>>> I have nothing against organic but I'm not going to avoid foodstuffs
>>> that
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> parsley, nibbled most of my chillis, and are having a serious attempt
> at my basil - grrrr!).

Soundl sike the 'roos have a penchant for Thai food, although the image of a
'roo suffering from 'chilli burn' (in either of the orifices that are
susceptable) is quite amusing.

Yowie
 
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