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<faint shriek, faint>  Enid's vet bill.

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Christina Websell - 11 Apr 2006 21:14 GMT
You will not believe Enid's vet bill that came today.

The vet did warn me that the bill would escalate to 200 pounds if I went for
the endoscopy so I said to hold off for a couple of days to see how the
antibiotics worked and if they didn't I'd think again.

The invoice is for 233 pounds 30 pence and Enid never got the endoscopy, as
she died before it came about.  Everything is itemised, but for g sake who
in their right mind would spend all this money on a goose when you can buy
another for less than 20 quid, a bit more sometimes.

I am not best pleased.  I would like to have saved Enid for Shylock's sake
but really.. a goose is a goose, he would have got fond of another in couple
of weeks.
Waiting for the necropsy results.

Tweed
<stunned>
Karen - 11 Apr 2006 21:29 GMT
I hope the necropsy charge is on that bill. Seems like an awful night for a
couple of nights stay and some antibiotics!

> You will not believe Enid's vet bill that came today.
>
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> Tweed
> <stunned>
Sandra - 11 Apr 2006 21:41 GMT
you have my sympathy! A friend of mine once paid £150 for treatment of her
daughters' guinneypig (excuse spelling, never had to spell that before!)
She made the mistake of not getting him to quote first. Won't do that again
in a hurry!

sandra
W. Leong - 11 Apr 2006 21:43 GMT
I sympathized with you

Rusty's last 2 trips to the vet in the past few weeks  totaled about 250
pounds!
He didn't have anything major, didn't stay overnight. Just some shots,
vaccinations,
antibiotics, blood and urine tests. That is why I am so worried about vet
bills for my
aging cat. Still have to take Rusty back to recheck for ringworm and another
shot of Program.  That  shot alone cost more than $50 Cdn. I am postponing
another urine test to give my credit card some 'breathing room'.

Winnie

> You will not believe Enid's vet bill that came today.
>
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> Tweed
> <stunned>
MaryL - 11 Apr 2006 22:09 GMT
> You will not believe Enid's vet bill that came today.
>
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> Tweed
> <stunned>

It that is what the vet said, then I would question the bill.  Call the vet
directly and don't rely on staff.

MaryL
Christina Websell - 15 Apr 2006 18:56 GMT
>> You will not believe Enid's vet bill that came today.
>>
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>
> MaryL

The bill seems to be computer generated and everything is itemised so I
don't think it's open to me saying I don't agree with it.  I guess what they
did is what they did and that's what it cost <sigh>

I was fond of Enid, she was sweet, but having poultry living down in the
garden is not the same as having cats and dogs living with you, which you
get to love.  I would spend my last penny on them.

I wanted to do the best for her, but at the same time I am surprised that
the vet allowed the bill to get this much out of control and still have a
dead goose to show for it.  It's ridiculous.

I was speaking to my friend tonight.  She took her dog to the same surgery
last week after a fight  (after normal hours) as her mouth would not stop
bleeding, she had to have a dental operation as her gum was split very
badly.  She was kept in overnight, operated on, all necessary dental work
done, including cleaning and extractions, repair of the palate which had
been punctured, by taking a flap from somewhere else (forget where, she did
tell me..)  and all for £30 more than Enid's bill.

Are they taking the p?

Tweed
Monique Y. Mudama - 17 Apr 2006 06:17 GMT
> I was speaking to my friend tonight.  She took her dog to the same
> surgery last week after a fight  (after normal hours) as her mouth
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>
> Are they taking the p?

I'm not sure what that means, but perhaps birds are considered a
specialty and therefore procedures are more expensive?

I'm so sorry that all this happened to you.  I know more bills are the
last thing you need right now.

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Shiral - 11 Apr 2006 22:10 GMT
OY!  purrs to you, Tweed. See if you can find a goose who lays golden
eggs for Shylock's next wife! No kidding, major sympathy to you.

Melissa
Adrian A - 11 Apr 2006 22:23 GMT
> You will not believe Enid's vet bill that came today.
>
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> Tweed
> <stunned>

If they'd have saved Enid, then that would have been worth it. That's a lot
of money with nothing to show for it, saying you're not best pleased, I
suspect is an understatement. I hope you soon find a mate for Shylock.
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Christina Websell - 12 Apr 2006 00:13 GMT
>> I am not best pleased.  I would like to have saved Enid for Shylock's
>> sake but really.. a goose is a goose, he would have got fond of
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>
> If they'd have saved Enid, then that would have been worth it.

Yes.  I would not have minded the cost, I'd have found it somehow.

>That's a lot
> of money with nothing to show for it, saying you're not best pleased, I
> suspect is an understatement.

Yes, it is ;-)

> I hope you soon find a mate for Shylock.

I'll see how he is to decide what to do.  He is not himself at all and is
not eating properly.   He will not be going to the vet.  He may well be
pining so I'll wait a couple of weeks and see how he feels then.

Tweed
Helen Miles - 11 Apr 2006 22:28 GMT
> You will not believe Enid's vet bill that came today.

> I am not best pleased.  I would like to have saved Enid for Shylock's sake
> but really.. a goose is a goose, he would have got fond of another in couple
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Tweed
> <stunned>/////

Holy cow! That is a hell of a lot for some antibiotics and a couple
nights stay in hospital. What did they do? Give her room service with a
TV?

Did that include the necropsy?
Helen M
Christina Websell - 11 Apr 2006 23:34 GMT
>> You will not believe Enid's vet bill that came today.
>
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> Did that include the necropsy?
> Helen M

Blood sample excluding lab fee... 4.80
Medlab Avian Health One  (??)..  25.50
Administer drip excluding fluid.. 15.00
FLOW CONT TUB 10ML/4 HR (??).. 9.24
Balloon Infusion Pump.. 10.00

two pages of this sort of stuff.

They are doing the post-mortem for nothing.. hahaha  nothing..  2 hundred
quids worth of vet fees for a goose and they say it's for nothing!  I
suppose they might be worried she had bird flu.  Which would add insult to
injury.
I hope they hurry up with the results, Shylock isn't well now. I need to
know if it's something contagious she had or whether he's just pining.
Tweed
Karen - 12 Apr 2006 02:06 GMT
>>> You will not believe Enid's vet bill that came today.
>>
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> pining.
> Tweed

Let us know. Poor Shylock. I wondered about the bird flu too, or heck,
just some other flu. Can you put antibiotics in Shylocks food "just in
case"?
Howard C. Berkowitz - 12 Apr 2006 02:45 GMT
> Let us know. Poor Shylock. I wondered about the bird flu too, or heck,
> just some other flu. Can you put antibiotics in Shylocks food "just in
> case"?

A great deal of antibiotic resistance comes from using the drugs "just
in case".  While we don't have many drugs that work against viruses,
there are four that have activity against influenza A, the type to
which the "highly contagious" H5N1 avian flu belongs.

There are two older drugs, amantadine and rimantidine, and the newer
ostelmavir (Tamiflu) and zanamavir (Relenza).  The Chinese fed
amantadine to fowl "just in case", and now the H5N1 strain is resistant
to the first two drugs. Two less drugs that can be used in humans, and
indeed cats.

Yes, there are cases when antibiotics are appropriate after a known
exposure, or in such cases as a contaminated wound. Many are not benign
drugs with respect to side effects, and there is the constant fear of
developing resistance.
Christine Burel - 12 Apr 2006 01:24 GMT
> > You will not believe Enid's vet bill that came today.
>
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> Did that include the necropsy?
> Helen M

Well, I think you tried your best for her and Shylock because you cared for
both of them.  So, to me, it isn't a matter of you can get another goose for
20 pounds...you tried to save your and Shylock's friend.  I think you were
being loyal and there isn't a price for that.

Back in November, we did all we could for Omar to try to give him a good
chance.  The vet bill was $1,000+ and we still lost him but I would do it
again.  As it is, I'll be paying it off for awhile.

hugs,
Christine
Yowie - 11 Apr 2006 23:15 GMT
> You will not believe Enid's vet bill that came today.
>
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> couple of weeks.
> Waiting for the necropsy results.

Ohh thats a hideous bill.

What on earth cost so much?

At least you never have to worry about this group's understanding of why
you'd spend 200 pounds on an animal when the purchase price of another is
10% of that. I thinkwe've all been there at one time or another.

*Purrs*

Yowie
wafflycat - 12 Apr 2006 17:01 GMT
> At least you never have to worry about this group's understanding of why
> you'd spend 200 pounds on an animal when the purchase price of another is
> 10% of that. I thinkwe've all been there at one time or another.

Indeed. Waffles cost naught in money terms, but she's had a several of
hundreds of pounds of vet fees spent out on her. Worth every penny too.

Cheers, helen s
Jo Firey - 12 Apr 2006 20:04 GMT
>> At least you never have to worry about this group's understanding of why
>> you'd spend 200 pounds on an animal when the purchase price of another is
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>
> Cheers, helen s

If only more people understood just how expensive a free kitten or puppy is.

We've had raised eyebrows over the cost of some of our purebreds.  But it
only took about 6 weeks to spend more on Kayla than we paid for her.  And
that's not counting the emergency vet visit after we thought she might have
been caught in a door.

We're shopping today for a bigger crate for her.  Unbelievable how she's
grown.

I just love watching Molly play pat a cake with her.  Molly is the cat I was
afraid would leave and never come back when we got a pup.

Jo

Jo
Monique Y. Mudama - 14 Apr 2006 21:23 GMT
> If only more people understood just how expensive a free kitten or
> puppy is.

Well, they sure can have expensive medical conditions.  Or not.  Oscar
had a little bacterial infection, but I don't remember it being all
*that* expensive to treat.  She was otherwise perfectly healthy.

And some people buy pets and still find themselves spending a bundle
on vet bills.

The primary thing is to realize that inviting a pet into your
household is a responsibility, and shouldn't be taken lightly.  I
thought I knew that already, but my sad experience with Eros made me
realize that I still hadn't quite gotten it.

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Flippy - 12 Apr 2006 02:44 GMT
I understand how you feel, Tweed. I mean, a pet is a pet, but we do love
them and do whatever we can for them. The vet bill for my darling Romeo came
to over $1,500 and I'll be paying it off for some time. Having said that, I
would gladly pay that much again to have Romeo back with me. I am on a
Disability Support Pension, so I do understand how hard it is to make ends
meet. I tell my friends that while they have car bills and mortgage bills, I
have my darling cats' bills instead. :-)

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> You will not believe Enid's vet bill that came today.
>
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> Tweed
> <stunned>
W. Leong - 12 Apr 2006 03:42 GMT
>I understand how you feel, Tweed. I mean, a pet is a pet, but we do love
>them and do whatever we can for them. The vet bill for my darling Romeo
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>ends meet. I tell my friends that while they have car bills and mortgage
>bills, I have my darling cats' bills instead. :-)

I know what you mean. I have no car or mortgage bills, but plenty of cat's
bills. I have no earned income, and it will be a few more years before I can
get
a pension.

Winnie

> Purrs,
> Flippy in Melbourne, Australia.
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>> Tweed
>> <stunned>
Helen Miles - 12 Apr 2006 08:36 GMT
I do understand how hard it is to make ends
> meet. I tell my friends that while they have car bills and mortgage bills, I
> have my darling cats' bills instead. :-)
>
> Purrs,
> Flippy in Melbourne, Australia.///

I once got told by a 60 a day smoker who went out clubbing 3 or 4 times
a week that I was stupid to spend so much money on my cats, especially
since I was always struggling financially.

I've never smoked, I very rarely drink, and my social life is not
exactly "on the wild side". At the moment, I quite often miss out on the
basics to make sure that the furry ones are fed properly and get the vet
care they need.

You can't put a price on a friends life.

Helen M
Bianca L - 12 Apr 2006 19:53 GMT
>I once got told by a 60 a day smoker who went out clubbing 3 or 4 times
>a week that I was stupid to spend so much money on my cats, especially
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>
>Helen M

I would have told this person to mind their own business! Or kiss my a.s.
Pets are expensive. So are children. So is anything else in life! I spent 800
dollars just getting my cat diagnosed. He was infested with tumors and 3
weeks later I had to put him to sleep cause he couldn't eat anymore. I would
have spent anything if I could have helped him. In the end I was at peace
with my decision because I knew there was nothing I could do. I don't see why
people feel the need to care how much you spend your hard earned money on a
pet. If it's not coming out of their pocket then why should they care?
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 13 Apr 2006 00:18 GMT
>> I once got told by a 60 a day smoker who went out clubbing 3 or 4 times
>> a week that I was stupid to spend so much money on my cats, especially
>> since I was always struggling financially.
>
> I would have told this person to mind their own business! Or kiss my a.s.

No kidding! You could have said the same thing back to her about her
partying and other habits. Not that that's your business either, but just
to give her a sense of how it feels to have someone tell you what your
financial priorities should be.

Joyce
Victor Martinez - 12 Apr 2006 03:26 GMT
> The invoice is for 233 pounds 30 pence and Enid never got the endoscopy, as
> she died before it came about.  Everything is itemised, but for g sake who
> in their right mind would spend all this money on a goose when you can buy
> another for less than 20 quid, a bit more sometimes.

I know what a pound is, but I have no idea what a pence or a quid is. In
any case, we pay vet bills because our pets are family.
Purrs to you and your wallet!

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Sam - 12 Apr 2006 04:43 GMT
>> The invoice is for 233 pounds 30 pence and Enid never got the
>> endoscopy, as she died before it came about.  Everything is itemised,
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> any case, we pay vet bills because our pets are family.
> Purrs to you and your wallet!

Purrs for you and Shylock continue.

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Adrian A - 12 Apr 2006 10:21 GMT
>> The invoice is for 233 pounds 30 pence and Enid never got the
>> endoscopy, as she died before it came about.  Everything is
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> any case, we pay vet bills because our pets are family.
> Purrs to you and your wallet!

Pence is the plural of penny, there are 100 pence to the pound, a quid is a
nickname for the pound much like buck for a dollar.
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W. Leong - 12 Apr 2006 14:41 GMT
>>> The invoice is for 233 pounds 30 pence and Enid never got the
>>> endoscopy, as she died before it came about.  Everything is
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> a
> nickname for the pound much like buck for a dollar.

What about a shilling?  Is that not used anymore? I remember
learning arithmatic with pound, shilling, penny when I was a kid studying in
an
English school.

Winnie
Adrian A - 12 Apr 2006 15:23 GMT
>>>> The invoice is for 233 pounds 30 pence and Enid never got the
>>>> endoscopy, as she died before it came about.  Everything is
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> studying in an
> English school.

No longer used, we went decimal in January 1971, since then it's been £ p
instead of £ s d. I sometimes tease my older relatives by converting prices
to the old money, when my aunt says 'I wish you wouldn't do that' I convert
to euros instead, she says that's even worse. ;-)
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W. Leong - 12 Apr 2006 16:03 GMT
> No longer used, we went decimal in January 1971, since then it's been £ p
> instead of £ s d. I sometimes tease my older relatives by converting
> prices
> to the old money, when my aunt says 'I wish you wouldn't do that' I
> convert
> to euros instead, she says that's even worse. ;-)

Guess I showed my age. I am glad you went decimal. As a kid, I often got
mixed up with 12 pennird to a shilling and 20 shillings to a pound. Or was
it the
other way around? Doesn't matter any more, does it?
Is UK going to convert to Euros?

Winnie
Adrian A - 12 Apr 2006 16:45 GMT
>> No longer used, we went decimal in January 1971, since then it's
>> been £ p instead of £ s d. I sometimes tease my older relatives by
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> pound. Or was it the
> other way around? Doesn't matter any more, does it?

No it doesn't really matter, there were 12 pennies to a shilling and 20
shillings to the pound, now it's just 100 pennies to the pound, 1 new penny
being worth 2.4 old ones.

> Is UK going to convert to Euros?

Some people would like to, but I think the majority wouldn't and as the
government has promised a referendum if and when they think the time is
right, I think it's unlikely.

This has started me thinking, I wonder how many Australians remember £sd,
they changed in the 1960's I believe 10 shillings became 1 dollar.
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William Hamblen - 12 Apr 2006 18:58 GMT
>What about a shilling?  Is that not used anymore? I remember
>learning arithmatic with pound, shilling, penny when I was a kid studying in
>an
>English school.

The s and the d are 35 years gone, and there are now 100 p to the
pound.

I recently read a book, published in the UK not long ago, that was
careful to explain that a shilling was 5 p.
 
Singh - 20 Apr 2006 06:18 GMT
I sympathise almightily. When Brandy had her tooth trouble last year we not only
got socked with a bill that was more than our car payment, Yours Jackass Truly
wrote the check from the wrong account, causing an insifficiant funds situation
that took a month to correct. God bless the vet; they decided to take the check
anyway.

This is nothing to what you went through though. I'm so sorry about poor Enid.
Who in their right minds would spend such cash on a goose? Someone who loves her
animals dearly. My Brandy bill was an inconvenience for a short time, but I'd do
it again in half a heartbeat for the love I have for my Bit, or any of my other
little ones. Don't question your sanity. The love and care you have for your
creatures always comes with a heart in the right place.

Ble3ssed be,
Baha

> You will not believe Enid's vet bill that came today.
>
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> Tweed
> <stunned>
Christina Websell - 20 Apr 2006 23:55 GMT
>I sympathise almightily. When Brandy had her tooth trouble last year we not
>only
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> Ble3ssed be,
> Baha

Thank you, Baha.  It won't make my bank manager happy but I can rest easy
knowing I did everything possible.
My aunt (otherwise lovely) can't understand why I spend so much money on
vet's bills.  She says if she had an animal that cost so much she'd have it
put down and get another.  We've disagreed on this topic before and no doubt
we will again..
She cannot understand why anyone would spend a lot of money on vets bills on
an animal that is probably going to die shortly so why not cut your losses
and get another healthy one?

Logically, it seems sensible.  But she's completely forgotten how much we
love our animals and what we are prepared to do to keep them alive. I feel
an aunt lecture coming on.  Okay she's 80 but she can definitely take it,
she is like 60.  We will have words about this soon.  She is very computer
literate, thank goodness she doesn't read rpca.

Tweed
Singh - 21 Apr 2006 16:58 GMT
My father-in-law seems to be cut from the same cloth. Back home on the farm in
the Punjab, animals were service creatures: the horses plowed, the cows gave
their milk, the dogs herded and guarded and the cats kept vermin out of the
grain. They aren't animal haters, but he explained that when he was a boy only
the very rich kept animals as companions to love and spoil. After so long in the
US he still didn't quite get why I was so devastated when we put our Fritzie to
sleep, and why we have four cats now and spoil the hell out of them. He shut up
when he learned I can't have kids.

Blessed be,
Baha

> >I sympathise almightily. When Brandy had her tooth trouble last year we not
> >only
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>
> Tweed
Jo Firey - 21 Apr 2006 17:55 GMT
> My father-in-law seems to be cut from the same cloth. Back home on the
> farm in
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> Blessed be,
> Baha

Friends of ours who are originally from Punjab have the most lovely white
Persian cat.  Even Grandma and Grandpa spoil her rotten.  It was the kids
idea, but now I think the adults consider her a badge of how well they have
assimilated.

I do remember very well when we adopted our daughter from Korea.  She was
two and a half.  When we got to the house and came inside and she saw the
(tiny) dog and the cat she looked horrified.

She still isn't quite the animal lover her sister is, but that's mostly
because of allergies.

Jo
Cheryl Perkins - 21 Apr 2006 18:25 GMT
> My father-in-law seems to be cut from the same cloth. Back home on the farm in
> the Punjab, animals were service creatures: the horses plowed, the cows gave
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> sleep, and why we have four cats now and spoil the hell out of them. He shut up
> when he learned I can't have kids.

Maybe it's partly a farming thing - I knew someone who grew up on a farm
in the Netherlands who firmly believed animals belonged in the barn, not
in the house. She would never neglect or abuse an animal, but she didn't
think they belonged in the house, either.

Cheryl
 
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