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dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 05 Oct 2004 09:25 GMT I'm taking Francis off to TED this morning. Can't put my finger on it, but Francis is just not himself. He's looking miserable and he's losing weight, so it's off to TED we go this morning.
Francis is my laid-back, eternally happy cat with an obvious joy to life. Right now, he's missing a bit of joy, so I'm having him checked over.
Any purrs that it's nothing wrong with Francis and is only me being a neurotic slave will be gratefully received.
Cheers, helen s
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jmcquown - 05 Oct 2004 10:10 GMT > I'm taking Francis off to TED this morning. Can't put my finger on > it, but Francis is just not himself. He's looking miserable and he's [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Cheers, helen s You got it... purrs and chirps coming from here in the mid-southern U.S.
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dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 05 Oct 2004 10:34 GMT Just got back from taking Francis to TED. I've had to leave him there for blood tests. Francis *howled* and *growled* the entire time he was there. When the vet was feeling Francis's abdomen, Francis let it it be known he was cursing the vet for all eternity. Vat said "I can't find his kidneys" which fills me with dread. I shall be on tenterhooks all day until I go back this evening to find out the results. I shall be like this until the vet tells me it's really nothing serious and Francis will be fine. If that isn't what the vet tells me, I shall be *distraught* if my little black & white boycat is seriously ill.
Cheers, helen s
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Marina - 05 Oct 2004 11:16 GMT > Just got back from taking Francis to TED. I've had to leave him there for blood > tests. Francis *howled* and *growled* the entire time he was there. When the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > nothing serious and Francis will be fine. If that isn't what the vet tells me, > I shall be *distraught* if my little black & white boycat is seriously ill. More 'hang in there' purrs on their way. When will you know?
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dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 05 Oct 2004 12:48 GMT >More 'hang in there' purrs on their way. When will you know? I've just found out.
Terminal kidney failure.
I can't speak.
helen s
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JBHajos - 05 Oct 2004 13:13 GMT >I've just found out. > >Terminal kidney failure. Oh, damn. I'm so terribly, terribly sorry to hear this. I know it breaks your heart and I'm crying with you. We love you and Francis. Please know you have our heartfelt sympathy during this painful time.
Jeanne
dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 05 Oct 2004 14:11 GMT > Oh, damn. I'm so terribly, terribly sorry to hear this. I know it >breaks your heart and I'm crying with you. We love you and Francis. >Please know you have our heartfelt sympathy during this painful time. > > Jeanne Thanks Jeanne.
Long story.
Just collected Francis from the vet's office. Going back with Francis tomorrow to see a different vet at the pratice - one I trust. You can imply what you want into my feelings about the vet this morning, but *he* won't be treating Francis. Ever. I'm still calming down.We will be looking to discuss Francis's case in detail, whatever time Francis has left, he will be made comfortable, waited upon, whims pandered too, medications needed will be given.When it's time for Francis to go, it will be done, but it's not today.Have spoken briefly with the main partner at the practice and he's taking over. He's the one who will be dealing with Francis from now on.
Cheers, helen s
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JBHajos - 05 Oct 2004 21:56 GMT >Thanks Jeanne.
>Just collected Francis from the vet's office. Going back with Francis tomorrow >to see a different vet at the pratice - one I trust. Oh, I'm so glad your trusted vet will be available to help Francis. I know that makes you feel better - me too!! Out of the hands of insensitive clods. For what it may be worth, our Philip was diagnosed with CRF at 16. The vet suggested immediate euthanasia, since Philip would have good days and bad, and at that age it would be a waste to keep up the treatment. I refused and saw another vet, one I didn't know but who was kind and sympathetic and went out of his way to help. Philip lived four more years. Later, another kitty, Custard, developed CRF and received Sub-Qs and other medication for over a year. Her quality of life was so good that she didn't have to be euthanized. One evening she ate her dinner with gusto, was peppy and pranced around the house like a kitten. The next morning she died at home so peacefully, even my son said that when it is his turn, he hoped he would go as easily. Custard was 19. I'm sure Francis will have the best quality of life you and his "good vet" can possibly give him. Many, many purrs continuing for him and for his family.
Jeanne
dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 05 Oct 2004 22:19 GMT > Oh, I'm so glad your trusted vet will be available to help Francis. >I know that makes you feel better - me too!! Out of the hands of >insensitive clods. Yes, the vet tomorrow should be an entirely different kettle of fish, based on previous experience of him.
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> I'm sure Francis will >have the best quality of life you and his "good vet" can possibly give >him. Many, many purrs continuing for him and for his family. Yes, whatever time Francis has left, he will have a decent quality of life and be loved.
helen s
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Elise - 06 Oct 2004 01:50 GMT > Long story. > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Cheers, helen s Purrs for Francis' (hopefully long term) comfort as well as that of you and your family. Whatever time he has left he knows that he's well loved.
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Adrian - 06 Oct 2004 12:42 GMT > Just collected Francis from the vet's office. Going back with Francis > tomorrow to see a different vet at the pratice - one I trust. You can [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Cheers, helen s Oh Helen this is so sad, you Vernon and Nathan have my sympathy. Purrs that Francis' remaing time is as comfortable as possible.
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lewe - 05 Oct 2004 13:28 GMT > >More 'hang in there' purrs on their way. When will you know? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I can't speak. Oh no. I'm so sorry Helen. Purrs for Francis and for you all! Hugs Lena
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dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 05 Oct 2004 14:12 GMT >Oh no. I'm so sorry Helen. >Purrs for Francis and for you all! >Hugs >Lena Thanks Lena. It's not good, but Francis will be made comfortable and be loved for whatever time he has left.
helen s
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Jeanette - 05 Oct 2004 13:31 GMT > >More 'hang in there' purrs on their way. When will you know? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > helen s Ah Helen, purrs for you and Francis and all the family. It's a hard thing to face.
Love
Jeanette
dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 05 Oct 2004 14:12 GMT >Ah Helen, purrs for you and Francis and all the family. It's a hard thing to >face. > >Love > >Jeanette Thanks Jeanette. Francis will be loved and made comfortable for whatever time he has left.
helen s
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Christina Websell - 05 Oct 2004 13:31 GMT > >More 'hang in there' purrs on their way. When will you know? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > helen s There's nothing I can think of to say except (((((helen))))) and I'm so sorry.
Tweed
dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 05 Oct 2004 14:13 GMT >There's nothing I can think of to say except (((((helen))))) and I'm so >sorry. > >Tweed Thanks Tweed, I appreciate it.
Francis will be loved and made comfortable for whatever time he has left.
helen s
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Marina - 05 Oct 2004 13:44 GMT > I've just found out. > > Terminal kidney failure. > > I can't speak. Oh no Helen. This is so unfair. Is the vet giving you any hope? Many purrs and hugs {{{{Helen}}}} for you and the rest of your family, furry and bare. I'm so very sorry.
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dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 05 Oct 2004 14:16 GMT >Oh no Helen. This is so unfair. Is the vet giving you any hope? Many >purrs and hugs {{{{Helen}}}} for you and the rest of your family, furry >and bare. I'm so very sorry. Thanks Marina
All I can really say is that Vernon & I are getting the main partner to take over Francis's case. Whatever time Francis has left will be time where he is made comfortable and is loved. Unlike the vet this morning who was a little too keen to euthanise a cat who is not ready to go quite yet and who, on bringing said boy cat home from the vet this afternoon, has tucked into some food. The other vet will not be allowed anywhere near Francis.
helen s
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Marina - 05 Oct 2004 15:36 GMT >>Oh no Helen. This is so unfair. Is the vet giving you any hope? Many >>purrs and hugs {{{{Helen}}}} for you and the rest of your family, furry [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > said boy cat home from the vet this afternoon, has tucked into some food. The > other vet will not be allowed anywhere near Francis. How maddening to get a vet you can't trust. Not that I want to get your hopes up in vain, but Nikki was diagnosed with partial kidney failure a few years ago (a stupid experiment with dry food on my part). I gave her special food for a time, then switched to our present regime of 50/50 wet food and fresh meat. This spring, her tests showed that her kidneys are in better condition than many younger cats'.
Litterbox offerings to the uncaring vet who made such a hasty diagnosis. Sounds terrible. Lots of luck with the new one. We'll be purring that Francis' prognosis turns out a much better one.
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dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 05 Oct 2004 15:44 GMT >How maddening to get a vet you can't trust. Not that I want to get your >hopes up in vain, but Nikki was diagnosed with partial kidney failure a >few years ago (a stupid experiment with dry food on my part). I gave her >special food for a time, then switched to our present regime of 50/50 >wet food and fresh meat. This spring, her tests showed that her kidneys >are in better condition than many younger cats'. Thanks Marina.
Vernon has already spoken with the partner vet we are seeing in the morning (entire family will be there.. including Nathan who wants the vet to *know* Francis is *family*), with a view to Francis's condition being managed as long as possible, to give Francis TLC - a pain-free, reasonable quality of life, however long that be.
>Litterbox offerings to the uncaring vet who made such a hasty diagnosis. >Sounds terrible. Lots of luck with the new one. We'll be purring that >Francis' prognosis turns out a much better one. Thanks. The vet I saw this morning will not ever be seeing any of my animals... The partner vet is the one who saved Waffles. I trust him. He knows us and he knows our animals. Unlike the 'on loan' vet this morning, who has the arrogance of youth thinking he knows it all and ignores listening to the owner who *knows* the animal and cares for it on a daily basis. I will be telling the partner tomorrow that his young colleague needs to quickly develop some interpersonal skills and empathy for his patients and if he can't, he is in the wrong profession.
Chers, helen s
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Helen Miles - 05 Oct 2004 22:22 GMT > Thanks. The vet I saw this morning will not ever be seeing any of my animals... > The partner vet is the one who saved Waffles. I trust him. He knows us and he [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > interpersonal skills and empathy for his patients and if he can't, he is in the > wrong profession. And I'll be right behind you holding your coat. How dare the vet this morning be so arrogant, and thank god you are who you are with Francis's welfare in mind. I doubt I would have been as restrained as you.
Helen M (who remembers a well documented screaming match with a vet when he told her the PTS 2 FIV+, but otherwise healthy kittens)
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dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 05 Oct 2004 22:39 GMT >And I'll be right behind you holding your coat. How dare the vet this >morning be so arrogant, and thank god you are who you are with Francis's >welfare in mind. I doubt I would have been as restrained as you. > >Helen M (who remembers a well documented screaming match with a vet when >he told her the PTS 2 FIV+, but otherwise healthy kittens) Thanks Helen. I think Tweed has this vet summed up as someone newly qualified with the theory but none of the understanding, so to speak. Said vet will not be allowed near any of my animals as long as he's there. The parnter is in for a firm commentry about the shortcomings of his current young colleague...
I shall be keeping my temper in check... I hope.
helen s
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Christina Websell - 05 Oct 2004 23:03 GMT > >And I'll be right behind you holding your coat. How dare the vet this >>morning be so arrogant, and thank god you are who you are with Francis's [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > helen s Please try not to get cross, Helen. It's so black and white to vet students. They only ever saw animals, never owners with their feelings that need to be taken into consideration too. If you explain to the partner how he made you feel, no doubt he'll get a tongue-lashing and learn from it. There have been a number of young vets that I've hardly been able to keep my hands off and in the end they've turned out to be good. One thing they sometimes bring is the latest technology and treatment for what's wrong. Because I've been client at this surgery since I was 11 and first took my rabbit there, they value me as a client and take notice of what I say.
I feel quite hopeful for Francis, as you spotted something was wrong within days. Yes he has kidney failure, but there are a lot of things to be done about that if you catch it early. Your vet will tell you tomorrow what the options are. ((hugs)) Tweed
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In my view, the problem with this TED is that he diagnosed a terminal disease, and rushed to offer euthansia instead investigating ways to prolong life with good quality of life.
The best advice, IMHO, whenever there's a question of having to PTS one of our furry campanions, is to make a list of what you feel the campanion enjoys - what you feel defines a good quality of life. As the illness progresses, you'll find yourself having to cross items off the list. At the point that too many items have been crossed off the list, it's time to consider euthanasia - not before. (that advice is something I saw on somewhere - I think on Animal Planet) <snip>
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Victor Martinez - 06 Oct 2004 04:14 GMT > In my view, the problem with this TED is that he diagnosed a terminal > disease, and rushed to offer euthansia instead investigating ways to > prolong life with good quality of life. Exactly! It's as if my doctor diagnoses terminal cancer and then refers me to Dr. Kevorkian...
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Steve Touchstone - 06 Oct 2004 05:19 GMT >> In my view, the problem with this TED is that he diagnosed a terminal >> disease, and rushed to offer euthansia instead investigating ways to >> prolong life with good quality of life. > >Exactly! It's as if my doctor diagnoses terminal cancer and then refers >me to Dr. Kevorkian... Well, further on down the thread, after I poster the above, I was even more upset with the TED when I read about how he made the PTS recommendation - over the phone and saying the family shouldn't be allowed to be with a cat when being PTS.
Heck, after Francis got home he scarfed down his food and took a nap in a nice sunnier spot - what was the big rush to give the diagnosis and recommendation over the phone. Really sounds like the guy is not suited to a practice dealing with pets - maybe reasearch is more his speed.
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Jo Firey - 06 Oct 2004 04:57 GMT > In my view, the problem with this TED is that he diagnosed a terminal > disease, and rushed to offer euthansia instead investigating ways to [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > something I saw on somewhere - I think on Animal Planet) > <snip> The vets we've had have always been slow to recommend euthanasia. Unless the animal is currently suffering severely they have always recommended that you take them home and take at least a day or so to decide what you need to do, or not.
They understand that a family needs to make a decision they can live with and need time to do it. And also a decent amount of time to say good-by.
Jo
Yoj - 06 Oct 2004 18:34 GMT > >How maddening to get a vet you can't trust. Not that I want to get your > >hopes up in vain, but Nikki was diagnosed with partial kidney failure a [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Chers, helen s Yes, I hope that, at the very least, the partner gives that jerk a good dressing down. His behavior was unconscionable!
Joy
CatNipped - 05 Oct 2004 14:07 GMT Ohmygawd Helen, I'm *SO* sorry! I had that happen to our little persian boy, Percy, and I know how devastating that is. Please accept our sympathy and purrs to help you get through this difficult time.
Hugs,
CatNipped
> >More 'hang in there' purrs on their way. When will you know? > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > --Due to financial crisis the light at the end of the tunnel is switched > off-- dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 05 Oct 2004 14:29 GMT >Ohmygawd Helen, I'm *SO* sorry! I had that happen to our little persian >boy, Percy, and I know how devastating that is. Please accept our sympathy [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >CatNipped Thanks CatNipped. I appreciate it. Francis is back from the vet and is currently soaking up the sun on the dining room floor.
Cheers, helen s
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O J - 05 Oct 2004 14:14 GMT On 05 Oct, Helen wrote:
>I've just found out. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >helen s Oh, Helen, the news was like a punch in the stomach. Please accept my deepest sympathy for yourself and for poor Francis.
Regards and Purrs, O J Gritmon
Sherry - 05 Oct 2004 14:23 GMT Helen, I'm so sorry. Purrs for Francis that that the different vet can give you some hopeful information.
Sherry
dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 05 Oct 2004 14:33 GMT >Oh, Helen, the news was like a punch in the stomach. Please accept my >deepest sympathy for yourself and for poor Francis. > >Regards and Purrs, >O J Gritmon Thanks OJ. A punch in the stomach is an apt description. Whatever time Francis has left will be where he is made comfortable and is loved. When it's time for him to go, it'll be done properly.
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Dan M - 05 Oct 2004 14:56 GMT > Thanks OJ. A punch in the stomach is an apt description. Whatever time Francis > has left will be where he is made comfortable and is loved. When it's time for > him to go, it'll be done properly. > > helen s That's the same reaction I had - oofff! I'm so VERY sorry. We'll be purring that the senior vet will have some encouraging words for you. Is this pretty much the same as CRF? When our DD was first diagnosed with advanced CRF, she got a couple more years of quality life. Whatever the result, I'm sure that Francis will get the best, most loving care possible.
Our purrs continue.
Dan
dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 05 Oct 2004 15:36 GMT >That's the same reaction I had - oofff! I'm so VERY sorry. Thanks Dan
>We'll be >purring that the senior vet will have some encouraging words for you. Is >this pretty much the same as CRF? When our DD was first diagnosed with >advanced CRF, she got a couple more years of quality life. Whatever the >result, I'm sure that Francis will get the best, most loving care possible. Tomorrow morning, Vernon, Nathan and I are going, with Francis, to see the more senior vet - partner at the practice. We are looking to be managing whatever length of time Francis has left so that Francis has love, is pain-free, comfortable and the best quality of life we can give him. Considering now I've got Francis home he has eaten, basked in the sun and has jumped up on to a window sill to get some more sun, I will not be euthanising him quite yet, which is what the vet this morning wanted to have happen.
Francis was an abused stray kitten when I took him in. He was in poor health then and it took us almost a year of TLC to get him up to full health. One of the vets at the same practice (now retired) said to me at one point in the early days that many a person would have given up on Francis, but I didn't. That vet was a *good* vet, in that his empathy for animals was obvious. The young vet I saw this morning was a different kettle of fish who did not come across as having empathy at all. If that's how they are being trained these days, heaven help animals. *He* won't be near Francis again. The partner we are seeing tomorrow is more like the vet now retired. He's a good guy - the one who operated on Waffles several years ago and I have trust in him. Francis now about 8 years old, and I'm wondering if the bad start he had has lead to his kidneys going quite young for kidney failure setting in.
>Our purrs continue. Thanks Dan, I appreciate it.
helen s
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Steve Touchstone - 06 Oct 2004 01:16 GMT >> Thanks OJ. A punch in the stomach is an apt description. Whatever time Francis >> has left will be where he is made comfortable and is loved. When it's time for [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >advanced CRF, she got a couple more years of quality life. Whatever the >result, I'm sure that Francis will get the best, most loving care possible. Sorry to hear this terrible news. All we can do is make is make our guys have the best quality of life possible, which I'm sure you're planning on doing already. Like Dan said, we'll be sending purrs that the other vet has better news, or at least is more compassionant than the first TED
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Nan - 05 Oct 2004 15:34 GMT Helen, I'm so sorry to hear this about Francis. Purrs that it is a misdiagnosis from an incompetent TED. --
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dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 05 Oct 2004 15:45 GMT >Helen, I'm so sorry to hear this about Francis. Purrs that it is a >misdiagnosis from an incompetent TED. Thanks Nan. I don't think it's a misdiagnosis, but I do think it's an undue haste to euthanise on the part of the vet seen this morning.
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Christina Websell - 05 Oct 2004 16:50 GMT > >Helen, I'm so sorry to hear this about Francis. Purrs that it is a >>misdiagnosis from an incompetent TED. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > helen s I've had this trouble too, with young, recently qualified vets that come to do "practice" for a year or so, at my surgery. They are full of theory still, and often forget there's an owner too. I think empathy for the owner gradually develops over time. I have found that the more experienced vets (particularly the partners) have much more people skills. I could be cynical and say well, if they don't develop them, all their clients would go elsewhere, but I think it's more than that. One said to me "I always trust the owner's feelings, even if at first I can find nothing wrong. They know their animal better than I do."
I have no experience with cats with kidney failure, but plenty with dogs. I managed to keep my beloved whippet Minnie going for 5 years after diagnosis with careful attention to diet and tempting her with very yummy stuff near the end. She lived to be 19, so there's hope for Francis.
Do I think a bad start is conducive to bad health later? Yes.
Tweed
dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 05 Oct 2004 17:48 GMT >They are full of theory still, and often forget there's an owner too. I think you may well have summed up the young vet this morning *perfectly*.
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> One said to me "I always trust the >owner's feelings, even if at first I can find nothing wrong. They know >their animal better than I do." Sensible - the person living with the animal every day should be able to *know* something is wrong from even subtle changes in their pet's behaviour. Sounds like a very good vet.
>I >managed to keep my beloved whippet Minnie going for 5 years after diagnosis >with careful attention to diet and tempting her with very yummy stuff near >the end. She lived to be 19, so there's hope for Francis. Thanks Tweed. I hope Francis has some good time left in him yet. If it's anything to do with his humans, he will have.
>Do I think a bad start is conducive to bad health later? Yes. I think so. Poor Francis was terribly neglected when I found him.
Cheers, helen s
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>>managed to keep my beloved whippet Minnie going for 5 years after diagnosis >>with careful attention to diet and tempting her with very yummy stuff near [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Cheers, helen s Purrs for poor Francis and all your family! Listen to Marina, Tweed and others. This does not have to be the end, not by any means. Of course you will take the very best care of Francis. Purrs for a much better vet visit tomorrow! Elisabet and Hugo Katt
dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 05 Oct 2004 18:25 GMT >Purrs for poor Francis and all your family! >Listen to Marina, Tweed and others. This does not have to be the end, not by >any means. Of course you will take the very best care of Francis. >Purrs for a much better vet visit tomorrow! >Elisabet and Hugo Katt Thanks guys. Francis is not going to be shoved off this mortal coil until it's the right time for him to go. That's the right time for *him* not me, and not for the convenience of the vet I saw this morning.
I'm glad Vernon telephoned the partner at the practice today - he's the one we are seeing tomorrow and he is looking at ways to manage Francis's condition so he has a quality of life & is pain-free. We may have him a week, a month, a year.. whatever, but whatever time it is, Francis will be *seriously doted upon*
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Christina Websell - 05 Oct 2004 19:41 GMT > >They are full of theory still, and often forget there's an owner too. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Sounds > like a very good vet. They are. (on the whole..) Here's a "young vet" tale for you from a few years ago. I had two young whippet brothers, Count and Bandit Yes, popular name, eh? and they got on very well together apart from one day, when they were eating their breakfast, each from a separate dish at least ten feet from each other, when one left his half-finished and went over the look at this brother's breakfast to see, presumably, if it was nicer. Brother growled to say, don't even think about it, what on earth are you doing, but he persisted and an almighty fight broke out. An "I really mean it and I'm going to kill you fight" The kitchen door was slightly ajar, the house dogs heard the commotion, pulled the door open and came out to join in. I then had 8 dogs trying to kill each other in my yard and there was only me there. It was a nightmare, but fortunately some neighbours heard and came to help. Windows got broken in the affray, I slipped when I knocked a dish of water over, cut myself and got bitten trying to prise one dogs mouth away from another. Even a hose piped directed into the mouth didn't make them stop. When we did eventually get them stopped, I rang for my friend to take some of them to the vets, their paper-thin skins were ripped and needed stitching, and my hands were bitten hard so I couldn't drive. So my friend came over straight away, we loaded up, and off to the vets who had been pre-warned. We were met by a vet like you had today.
Now, wouldn't you have thought he'd have had a few comforting things to say? since I thought all my dogs were going to rip each other limb from limb, and I had fallen down amongst them?
Not at all. He took one look at the dogs, pouring with blood and blamed me. "What on earth do you think you're doing?" he said "allowing dogs to fight like this? it's disgusting and I have a good mind to report you to the RSPCA" and added insult to injury by saying "Do you want me to repair them, or NOT?"
If I hadn't still been trembling with shock, I think I would have hit him, and I'm not a violent person at all.
> Thanks Tweed. I hope Francis has some good time left in him yet. If it's > anything to do with his humans, he will have. It's a good sign that you noticed Francis was ill within a few days, the earlier diagnosed, the better.
>>Do I think a bad start is conducive to bad health later? Yes. > > I think so. Poor Francis was terribly neglected when I found him. It's nothing that you did, you didn't cause it. He just had a longer life than he would've done if you hadn't found him, so be proud of that.
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> Cheers, helen s > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > --Due to financial crisis the light at the end of the tunnel is switched > off-- dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 05 Oct 2004 23:03 GMT >They are. (on the whole..) Here's a "young vet" tale for you from a few >years ago. snipped tale of horror and a**h*le vet.
>If I hadn't still been trembling with shock, I think I would have hit him, >and I'm not a violent person at all. That was me with this vet today. The utter shock at his apparent callousness and uncaring attitude to Francis's life stunned me totally. I'm just glad Vernon remained calm when said vet called with the results, Vernon answered the phone, said idiot vet refused to speak to him as he didn't want to lark about wasting time speaking to Vernon to then have to speak to me as well.... I kid you not... When the vet spoke to me, he tried to get me to agree to have Francis euthanised there & then. I refused, saying I did not want my cat to suffer, and if he had to be put to sleep, it would be with me holding him. Said twit vet then said this was not possible, but I could perhaps *pat* Francis a little afterwards. Keeping calm, I asked why he thought it was dangerous. His response was that Francis was dangerous! Francis is the most laid-back cat I have ever known. he is incredibly sweet-natured and gentle, except in one circumstance - giving him a pill. Needless to say, there was no way, no how this twit was going to be euthanising my cat *ever* - he will not be going anywhere near any of my cats *ever*, for any purpose.
Thankfully, Vernon was calm (but *angry*), and he immediately got back on the phone to speak to the partner at the practice. The partner is the vet we are seeing tomorrow morning. He's already said that he's not looking to have Francis euthanised, but is looking to see how Francis's illness can be managed until that time comes. So I am more confident for tomorrow, in terms of the vet we are seeing, as he is the one who performed wonderful surgery on Waffles a few years ago, and he knows Francis and Marble too.
>It's nothing that you did, you didn't cause it. He just had a longer life >than he would've done if you hadn't found him, so be proud of that. > >hugs >Tweed Thanks Tweed. Francis was in a terrible state when we found him as a kitten. He had earmites so bad and so embedded right down into his ears, he had no ear drums left. The vet at that time said Francis had most probably had them all of his short life and never had them treated. Plus, after having him sprayed with Frontline, I combed over 50 fleas off this kitten of a few months old. He was incredibly run down and *miserable*. It took nearly a year to get his health problems sorted out - loads of TLC, good food, and vet care and he turned into a lovely, handsome cat with a sleek, shiny coat, and bright eyes. He also had an incredibly sweet nature - Francis would purr almost constantly. One of his favourite places has been to sit on my shoulders, wrapped around my neck as I sit at the computer, where he would stick his tongue or nose down my ear and purr *loudly* :-) He loves to run around the garden, chasing a wand of long, soft willow twigs in leaf, as it was pulled by Nathan. He's run, leap, pounce on them, purring all the while.
My furry boy is not doen quite yet, and whatever time he has left, he'll want for nothing.
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Christina Websell - 05 Oct 2004 23:24 GMT > >They are. (on the whole..) Here's a "young vet" tale for you from a few >>years ago. [quoted text clipped - 82 lines] > > helen s It's not over until the fat lady sings and I don't hear her yet. Could be years, but spoil him a lot nevertheless. That's what I did. Anything and everything they wanted.
Tweed
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>> They are. (on the whole..) Here's a "young vet" tale for you from a few >> years ago. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > this twit was going to be euthanising my cat *ever* - he will not be going > anywhere near any of my cats *ever*, for any purpose. My God! The GALL of the vet. I don't blame you one bit. Twit is a perfect description. I'm so glad the other vet is more pro-active AND sensible.
Marina - 06 Oct 2004 05:10 GMT > Thanks Tweed. Francis was in a terrible state when we found him as a kitten. He > had earmites so bad and so embedded right down into his ears, he had no ear [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > My furry boy is not doen quite yet, and whatever time he has left, he'll want > for nothing. I went back and looked at his pictures. He is such a gorgeous boy, and from your description, he seems to be very similar to Frank. Francis is a tree-hugger, too, isn't he? Scritches to Francis and lots of purrs for the vet visit today.
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polonca12000 - 06 Oct 2004 10:06 GMT I'm so very sorry to hear about Francis' illness, but other people who have experience with that are very optimistic, so Soncek and I purr and hope for many more enjoyable years for Francis and his family. You truly gave him the best home possible. I'm mad at the young vet and his inexcusable attitude - be sure to tell the senior vet all about it. Lots of purrs and best wishes for the senior vet to find a way to help Francis stay as healthy as possible for a really long time and gentle hugs for his family who is taking such good care of him,
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> >They are. (on the whole..) Here's a "young vet" tale for you from a few > >years ago. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > That was me with this vet today. The utter shock at his apparent callousness > and uncaring attitude to Francis's life stunned me totally. <snip Helen Miles - 06 Oct 2004 11:57 GMT > That was me with this vet today. The utter shock at his apparent callousness > and uncaring attitude to Francis's life stunned me totally. I'm just glad [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > twit vet then said this was not possible, but I could perhaps *pat* Francis a > little afterwards.//// I'm kinda glad I'm not in the position to have to have gone through the hell you went through yesterday Helen. I can't *believe* how calous and unfeeling that vet was! christ, if that had been me dealing with it, he'd never be working again and I'd be in jail for GBH!
Let us know what happens. Your boy is in our prayers.
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Tish S - 06 Oct 2004 00:20 GMT If it's any consolation, our Ted (calico cat who rules our household and our lives) was diagnosed with kidney failure, oh, about 4 years ago - about a year after her diabetes diagnosis. We decided to keep a careful eye on her and take it as it comes. Well, 4 years later there are signs that her kidneys are still deteriorating, but she's had 4 years of great quality of life and at almost-19, she's doing really well. I think that cats, in particular, have enormous resilience (and strength of will, but we all know that!).
Hugs, Tish
> >They are full of theory still, and often forget there's an owner too. > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > --Due to financial crisis the light at the end of the tunnel is switched off-- Yowie - 06 Oct 2004 01:34 GMT > If it's any consolation, our Ted (calico cat who rules our household > and our lives) was diagnosed with kidney failure, oh, about 4 years [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > well. I think that cats, in particular, have enormous resilience (and > strength of will, but we all know that!). Agree with Tish on that one. Having met Ted, I know she is doing quite well, simply because a poorly cat could not possibly eminate that much grump and harumph.
Shmogg's only a rank amateur by comparison.
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Debbie Wilson - 05 Oct 2004 16:03 GMT > I've just found out. > > Terminal kidney failure. > > I can't speak. Oh my goodness, what a terrible shock for you - I'm not surprised you can't speak. Many many purrs for you and for Francis from all the gang here - furred and fur-less.
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dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 05 Oct 2004 16:06 GMT >Oh my goodness, what a terrible shock for you - I'm not surprised you >can't speak. Many many purrs for you and for Francis from all the gang >here - furred and fur-less. Thanks Deb
Vernon has spoken with one of the partners at the practice and tomorrow we are going down to discuss options for managing Francis's illness for however long he has left - so that the time is one where Francis is comfortable, pain-free and as happy as possible.
Cheers, helen s
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lal - 05 Oct 2004 16:37 GMT >>More 'hang in there' purrs on their way. When will you know? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > helen s Thank goodness Francis has you there fighting for him. Give him a ear scritch from me when you get a chance. More purrs on the way.
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>> More 'hang in there' purrs on their way. When will you know? > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > --Due to financial crisis the light at the end of the tunnel is switched off-- Oh Helen :( ((((((((HELEN AND FRANCIS)))))))
dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 05 Oct 2004 19:00 GMT >Oh Helen :( ((((((((HELEN AND FRANCIS))))))) Thanks, Karen. Much appreciated.
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Ginger-lyn Summer - 05 Oct 2004 18:58 GMT >>More 'hang in there' purrs on their way. When will you know? > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >--Due to financial crisis the light at the end of the tunnel is switched off-- Oh {{{{{{Helen}}}}}}}}
I am so sorry.
Is it acute or chronic? If chronic, there are many things that can be done to help (which I'm sure many of us here would be happy to pass on). Either way, I am so sorry to hear this diagnosis. I wish it had been something simple, like a hairball, rather than something of this magnitude. My thoughts are definitely with you, and there is a loud chorus of purrs from here iin Ohio that Francis still have joy for a long time to come.
Blessings,
Ginger-lyn
dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 05 Oct 2004 19:01 GMT >I am so sorry. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Ginger-lyn Thanks Ginger-lyn. Will discover more when talking with the more senior vet in the morning.
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Julie Cook - 05 Oct 2004 19:25 GMT Purrs and gentle headbutts on the way for Francis and the three hoomans caring for Francis and hugs and prayers from me. The felines would also like to send special headbutts to Nathan for wanting to make sure that the vet understands that Francis is family and you don't give up on family that easily. I'm sure it is a comfort to know that the vet who cared for Waffles (and Jill, I expect) during her ordeal will be caring for Francis. At least he knows and understands that you're willing to fight for the lives of your furfamily.
Keeping you in our thoughts, Julie, Hobbes, Selena, Lacey and Sam
dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 05 Oct 2004 23:05 GMT >Purrs and gentle headbutts on the way for Francis and the three hoomans >caring for Francis and hugs and prayers from me. The felines would also [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Keeping you in our thoughts, >Julie, Hobbes, Selena, Lacey and Sam Thanks all :-)Yes, the vet I'm seeing tomorrow is the main one who looked after Waffles (& Jill), so I trust him.
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jmcquown - 05 Oct 2004 19:13 GMT >> More 'hang in there' purrs on their way. When will you know? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > helen s Oh no!!! Oh Helen, I'm soooo sorry! (tears, literally) Still purrs coming and I'm lighting candles.
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Exocat - 05 Oct 2004 19:31 GMT SO sorry to read this, Helen.
All the purrs in the world that you can keep Francis going with an acceptable quality of life, bathed in the warmth of his (your) family's love & spoiling, for a good while yet.
My Aries RB had about 18 months from 1st diagnosis but of course all cases will be different, so here's hoping the right TED has better news.
Best wishes
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> Terminal kidney failure. dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 05 Oct 2004 22:45 GMT >SO sorry to read this, Helen. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Gordon & the TT Thanks Gordon. I'd love Francis to be around for years to come. But however long he has, when his time comes, I'll do right by him. It'll hurt like hell, but it's something he'll need at some point. I just wish it was a bad dream.
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Kreisleriana - 05 Oct 2004 19:33 GMT >>More 'hang in there' purrs on their way. When will you know? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >helen s Yes, this is what took my little Mimi, and it happened just this way.
There *are* no words. We are sending powerful, powerful purrs for Francis's comfort and peace, and your hurting heart.
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dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 05 Oct 2004 22:44 GMT >Yes, this is what took my little Mimi, and it happened just this way. > >There *are* no words. We are sending powerful, powerful purrs for >Francis's comfort and peace, and your hurting heart. Thanks Theresa. Your words are lovely and appreciated.
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Mischief - 05 Oct 2004 22:37 GMT Oh dear, I'm so sorry. Major purrs for you
Now I have seen this one cat that comes in every now and then. He's an all white DSH named Tommy and there's a note on his cage card that says, 'Kidney failure" He's quite happy. We send home a bag of IV fluids which the owner gives under the skin every day along with his other medication.
Now Francis might be a totally different case, but I wanted to let you know that it doesn't necessarily mean the end of the world. Tommy, from what I know is doing just fine as long as he gets fluids and med everyday. So maybe the same can be done fore Francis. Of course a lot more can be learned once you talk to the vet. Every medical problem will be slightly different from cat to cat and be treated differently depending on the vet.
Hang in there and keep us posted.
kristi
dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 05 Oct 2004 23:07 GMT >Oh dear, I'm so sorry. Major purrs for you Thanks kristi :-)
snip tale of Tommy...
>Hang in there and keep us posted. Thanks. Francis comes first. Whatever time he has left, he'll get the best we can give him
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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 05 Oct 2004 23:08 GMT > I've just found out. > Terminal kidney failure. > I can't speak. I'm so sorry!! Poor Francis. Poor you!
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Tish S - 06 Oct 2004 00:13 GMT I'm so sorry Helen; such a shock and so very, very sad. Hugs to you and purrs from the mob here.
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> I've just found out. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > --Due to financial crisis the light at the end of the tunnel is switched off-- Danny Sichel - 06 Oct 2004 00:55 GMT >>More 'hang in there' purrs on their way. When will you know? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I can't speak. Oh hully jeeze, I'm so terribly sorry.
I remember when Chester succumbed to that... must have been seventeen, eighteen years ago now. (And he'd just finished healing from a broken leg.)
SUQKRT - 06 Oct 2004 01:06 GMT >>More 'hang in there' purrs on their way. When will you know? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >helen s Oh Helen! How terrible! Purrs for you and Francis. {{{{{{{{Hugs}}}}}}}} Suz Macmoosette Thank Heavens There's Only One =^..^= =^..^= =^..^= =^..^= =^..^= =^..^=
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Yowie - 06 Oct 2004 01:25 GMT > >More 'hang in there' purrs on their way. When will you know? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I can't speak. So sorry to hear this...
Many purrs for Francis - Whatever time he's got left with his hoomins will be time very well spent, then he'll have a great time at Rainbow Bridge.
And many purrs for his distraught family - I can't imagine what you are going through, but know it must be awful.
*Hugz*
Yowie
Victor Martinez - 06 Oct 2004 02:30 GMT > I can't speak. Helen, we're sending lots of purrs and healing thoughts for a miracle.
*hugs*
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Sam Nash - 06 Oct 2004 04:01 GMT > >More 'hang in there' purrs on their way. When will you know? > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > --Due to financial crisis the light at the end of the tunnel is switched off-- Damn, Helen. I'm so sory to hear that. Comfort purrs on the way for you. Sam
LOL - 06 Oct 2004 06:11 GMT > >More 'hang in there' purrs on their way. When will you know? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > helen s (((((Helen))))) I am sorry to read this. We're sending four-part quality of life purrs for Francis, and soothing purrs to his worried family. I do hope he has quite a long time left; in any event, I know absolutely that his remaining time will be happy.
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badwilson - 08 Oct 2004 02:17 GMT Oh no! I just read this. I'm sooo sooo sorry, Helen. Hugs and purrs,
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Tanada - 09 Oct 2004 04:38 GMT >>More 'hang in there' purrs on their way. When will you know? > > I've just found out. > > Terminal kidney failure. <<<<Helen>>>> We're so sorry. Purrs and sympathy for you all.
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dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 09 Oct 2004 08:50 GMT ><<<<Helen>>>> We're so sorry. Purrs and sympathy for you all. > >Pam, Rob, and the Fayetteville Seven Thanks guys. helen s
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Judith Latham - 09 Oct 2004 13:49 GMT > >More 'hang in there' purrs on their way. When will you know?
> I've just found out.
> Terminal kidney failure.
> I can't speak.
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dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 09 Oct 2004 19:29 GMT >Purrs and Prayers for Francis and for you. Your in my thoughts. > >Judit Thanks Judith - he's perking up at the moment and I'm taking it a day at a time.
Cheers, helen s
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JBHajos - 05 Oct 2004 13:03 GMT >Just got back from taking Francis to TED. I've had to leave him there for blood >tests. >I shall be *distraught* if my little black & white boycat is seriously ill. Oh, my - I certainly sincerely hope Francis' problem is not serious. Mega-purrs coming in double-time that he will be A-OK. Will add doggy-wags and my best wishes. I'll worry with you till we hear good news. Hugs.
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Marina - 05 Oct 2004 11:15 GMT > I'm taking Francis off to TED this morning. Can't put my finger on it, but > Francis is just not himself. He's looking miserable and he's losing weight, so [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Any purrs that it's nothing wrong with Francis and is only me being a neurotic > slave will be gratefully received. Many purrs coming over for Francis that it is just some passing bug, and soothing purrs for the 'neurotic' hoomin (says she, who panicked over an infected tooth).
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Karen Chuplis - 05 Oct 2004 11:46 GMT in article 20041005042510.16546.00001639@mb-m16.aol.com, dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers at wafflycathcs@aol.comcomcom wrote on 10/5/04 3:25AM:
> I'm taking Francis off to TED this morning. Can't put my finger on it, but > Francis is just not himself. He's looking miserable and he's losing weight, so [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > --Due to financial crisis the light at the end of the tunnel is switched off-- Purss a coming. Keep us posted.
Christina Websell - 05 Oct 2004 13:07 GMT > I'm taking Francis off to TED this morning. Can't put my finger on it, but > Francis is just not himself. He's looking miserable and he's losing [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > --Due to financial crisis the light at the end of the tunnel is switched > off-- Lots of purrs that it's nothing serious and Francis will soon be back to his old happy self. Try not to panic - easier said than done, I know..
Tweed
Christine Burel - 05 Oct 2004 13:10 GMT Purrs a'comin' -- hope it is nothing serious! Christine
> I'm taking Francis off to TED this morning. Can't put my finger on it, but > Francis is just not himself. He's looking miserable and he's losing weight, so [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > --Due to financial crisis the light at the end of the tunnel is switched off-- CatNipped - 05 Oct 2004 14:05 GMT Purrs being sent that Francis is just suffering from hairball-itis and nothing more serious.
Hugs,
CatNipped
> I'm taking Francis off to TED this morning. Can't put my finger on it, but > Francis is just not himself. He's looking miserable and he's losing [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > --Due to financial crisis the light at the end of the tunnel is switched > off-- Dan M - 05 Oct 2004 14:49 GMT > I'm taking Francis off to TED this morning. Can't put my finger on it, but > Francis is just not himself. He's looking miserable and he's losing weight, so [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Any purrs that it's nothing wrong with Francis and is only me being a neurotic > slave will be gratefully received. Oh no! We're sending as many power purrs as we can muster. Please keep us posted on what TED has to say. We're going to purr that it's nothing serious.
Dan
Yoj - 05 Oct 2004 18:55 GMT Purrs are on their way!
-- Joy
"You can never do a kindness too soon because you never know how soon it will be too late." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
> I'm taking Francis off to TED this morning. Can't put my finger on it, but > Francis is just not himself. He's looking miserable and he's losing weight, so [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > --Due to financial crisis the light at the end of the tunnel is switched off-- dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 05 Oct 2004 19:00 GMT >Purrs are on their way! Thanks Joy. I appreciate them
helen s
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Cathi - 05 Oct 2004 19:07 GMT Purrs aplenty from our two.
A vet with a bit of compassion is such a good thing. Our vet (fabulous guy) had a foreign student with him for about a year, who really annoyed me. We went to pick Jasper up one evening (he'd been in for his first leg "incident") and she took his carrier from us, went to the kennel area where he was being held (out of our sight), boxed him up and brought him into the surgery, then proceeded to talk to us about his diagnosis and care for several minutes. At no time were we given the opportunity to see him. The wonderful Mr Baker would, by contrast, bring the unboxed animal out to the consulting room so the first thing the animal saw was their people.
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dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 05 Oct 2004 22:42 GMT >Purrs aplenty from our two. Thanks, I appreciate this greatly.
>A vet with a bit of compassion is such a good thing. Our vet (fabulous >guy) had a foreign student with him for about a year, who really annoyed >me. Hmm.. this guy is non-UK and I wonder if it's a culture thing? Not understanding how a pet is not "just a (insert species)" but is *family* for many of us? Sorry to hear of your bad incident. The vet this morning will not be having the opportunity to be a twit with my pets ever again.
helen s
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