On Mon, 4 Oct, Tweed wrote:
>O J wrote:
>>>http://www.youthofbritain.com/chillout/
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>I'm not sure where you got your information from, OJ.
Got my information from another newsgroup, the one with the BOA, the
BOP, and the BOR.
>I never heard that yob meant youth of Britain,
>in fact I've never heard the term.
It doesn't, but the question is whether some people believe that
that's how the term 'yob' originated. As I said, the false origin
ascribed to 'yob' was noteworthy enough for some back-bencher to call
for an investigation of the "Youth Of Britain" in the House Of
Commons. Perhaps reason has prevailed and the "youth of Britain"story
will die a peaceful death. It won't though if people publish songs
like the theme song to that animation which was titled, as well as was
the web page, "Youth Of Britain".
> My definition of a yob is a destructive teenager, out to cause trouble,
>wandering the streets in groups and causing wanton damage including
>graffitti.
>
>Tweed
Of course, you're correct. The only issue is from whence the term
arose.
Regards and Purrs,
O J
Etymology?? What does this have to do with bugs?
Jeanette - 04 Oct 2004 08:24 GMT
> On Mon, 4 Oct, Tweed wrote:
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> Etymology?? What does this have to do with bugs?
I don't know the true etymology, but a 'yob' is a backwards 'boy'. When I
worked on the fish market in Bolton when I was a teenager, the stallholders
had their own mad little jargon where many words were said backwards. Boys
were yobs, girls were 'elrigs'
Jeanette
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 04 Oct 2004 11:19 GMT
> I don't know the true etymology, but a 'yob' is a backwards 'boy'. When I
> worked on the fish market in Bolton when I was a teenager, the stallholders
> had their own mad little jargon where many words were said backwards. Boys
> were yobs, girls were 'elrigs'
"Elrigs" is "girls" spelled backwards? In what universe? :)
Joyce
Jeanette - 04 Oct 2004 11:34 GMT
> > I don't know the true etymology, but a 'yob' is a backwards 'boy'. When I
> > worked on the fish market in Bolton when I was a teenager, the stallholders
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> Joyce
In one where lrig is unprounceable :)
Jeanette
O J - 04 Oct 2004 11:57 GMT
>Joyce wrote:
>> > I don't know the true etymology, but a 'yob' is a backwards 'boy'. When
>> >I worked on the fish market in Bolton when I was a teenager, the
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>Jeanette
As far as I know, Jeanette, you're absolutely right. The word is
attributable to 'backslang', be it in the fish market or no. At least
the real origin is known, not like OK, the origin of which has spawned
many stories, all of them false.
Regards and Purrs,
O J (OJTB -- TBFTE)
Karen - 04 Oct 2004 14:43 GMT
> >Joyce wrote:
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> Regards and Purrs,
> O J (OJTB -- TBFTE)
Doesn't OK have something to do with clarity of voice over certain
frequencies or something?
O J - 04 Oct 2004 16:08 GMT
>Doesn't OK have something to do with clarity of voice over certain
>frequencies or something?
The first of these gives the most plausible explanation which has a
great deal of factual support, and the site declares that as the
matter is resolved. The second discusses several debunked theories
and agrees that the version supported by the first one is probably the
correct one.
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_250
http://www.askoxford.com/asktheexperts/faq/aboutwordorigins/ok
At the above cited site, one may also find the answers to the
following questions:
Was the first computer 'bug' a real insect?
What are the 'Canons of Etymology'?
What are the origins of 'a.m.' and 'p.m.'?
What is the origin of 'love' meaning 'nil' in tennis scoring?
What is the origin of the phrase 'sleep tight'?
What is the origin of the phrase 'the bee's knees'?
What is the origin of the term 'brass monkey'?
What is the origin of the term 'dressed to the nines'?
What is the origin of the term 'flea market'?
What is the origin of the word 'OK'?
What is the origin of the word 'codswallop'?
What is the origin of the word 'grockle'?
What is the origin of the word 'jaywalking'?
What is the origin of the word 'loo'?
What is the origin of the word 'love'?
What is the origin of the word 'lukewarm'?
What is the origin of the word 'news'?
What is the origin of the word 'nous' ?
What is the origin of the word 'penguin'?
What is the origin of the word 'posh'?
What is the origin of the word 'quiz'?
What is the origin of the word 'snob'?
Why is a batsman who makes no runs at cricket said to be out 'for a
duck'?
Regards and Purrs,
O J
Karen - 04 Oct 2004 17:29 GMT
Wow. That sounds pretty convoluted. I guess it must be true, but it's really
hard to believe. Not the abbreviation thing. I have seen several films where
that "fad" was referrenced, but just that it survived of all things!
> >Doesn't OK have something to do with clarity of voice over certain
> >frequencies or something?
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> Regards and Purrs,
> O J
Karen - 04 Oct 2004 14:42 GMT
> > > I don't know the true etymology, but a 'yob' is a backwards 'boy'. When
> I
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> Jeanette
Oh. "El"rig. I get it now.
Kreisleriana - 04 Oct 2004 17:44 GMT
> > I don't know the true etymology, but a 'yob' is a backwards 'boy'. When I
> > worked on the fish market in Bolton when I was a teenager, the stallholders
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>Joyce
Well, it's an accomodation -- not easy to pronouce lrig, is it? So
they pronounce the "L" as "El." And the "s" goes on the end because
it's plural, right? ;)
Theresa
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Jeanette - 04 Oct 2004 18:13 GMT
> > > I don't know the true etymology, but a 'yob' is a backwards 'boy'. When I
> > > worked on the fish market in Bolton when I was a teenager, the stallholders
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> Theresa
That's about it :)
Kreisleriana - 04 Oct 2004 17:42 GMT
>> On Mon, 4 Oct, Tweed wrote:
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>Jeanette
That's the way I heard it, too. I also heard "yobbo" which was kind
of a mangling of "boyo"-- an Irish import via the North.
Theresa
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