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Yowie - 28 Mar 2006 02:40 GMT
Shmogg is getting old. He's got the 'old cat' dimple in his haunches, even
though there's still a bit of an udder down below. He spends most of his day
sleeping, and has no interest whatsoever in the red greebling. Compared to
IBKFergus' manic behaviour, he's pretty much a stationary object, only
moving when its potty time, food time or bed time. There has been no b*st*rd
c*t trick for a long long time, and I've started to think that this year
might be Shmogg's last with us on the physical plain. But, bless his heart,
no matter what else has happened in the day, he still finds hte energy to
jump up onto my bed and purr me to sleep each night.

As some of you might already know, we're having difficulty with The Yowlet.
For various reasons, he's decided that the only place to sleep is with one
of his parents in their bed, and that his cot is Evil Incarnate (I thought
that was IBKFergus, but Cary sees the world differently). While Cary still
gets a perfectly good night's sleep, he also tosses and turns and thrashes
and thumps and kicks and punches and - having received the best training in
all things Cat - can expand to take up the whole of the queen sized bed,
commandeer the blankets and can still to kidnap every single pillow
available in the house whilst doign so. As can well be imagined, the adults
of this household are suffering chronic sleep deprivation and are Not Happy
Campers.

It is therefore vitally important that whoever doesn't have the thrashing
horror, I mean our beloved son, in their bed, gets the best night's sleep
they can, because they'll be having the human washing machine, I mean Cary,
in their beds the next night.

Blissfully, it was my turn to have a relatively peaceful night's sleep last
night. By relatively, I mean that I, being the Mum, am still biologically
wired to wake up every time I here the Wrecker of Beds, I mean, The Yowlet,
cry, but don't also have the pleasure of being kicked in the kidneys or
having the giddy sensation of my head crashing down into the space that my
pillow was occupying moments before, or - my favourite - little fingers
exploring my cranial cavities in their sleep.

Bt something was wrong. Usually, when its my turn to get the undisturbed
sleeping space, I'm asleep before I've lifted my toes off the floor (give or
take a few milliseconds). But last night, sleep did not happen easily. I too
tossed and turned, thrashed and kicked, and if there were kidneys to kick
and noses to poke, I would have done so too. Things were definitely Not
Right. Despite being desperately tired, I couldn't' sleep because there
wasn't a fresh and replenishing supply of cat dander in my nostrils. In
other words, Shmogg hadn't come to bed as usual.

Now I'm the first to admit that my thought processes don't run quite
straight in the dead of night. After all, if they were normal, the whole
Mothership incident wouldn't have occurred, and I wouldn't have spider
nightmares (which always keep Joel on his toes) either. But it was dark, I
have been chronically sleep deprived over the last month or so, and well,
there wasn't a cat on my bed to soothe my jangled nerves.

My thoughts floated back to earlier that day when I realised Shmogg was not
just looking mature but was noticeably *old* compared to IBKFergus. My mind
tottered around a bit, smelled a few mental flowers and then suddenly
remembered Shmogg desperately trying to sneak out that afternoon. Shmogg
hasn't had so much interest in The Out recently, and I've become lax on my
door keeping, but even so, his quest to be in the Out was quite out of
character. Instead of just taking the opportunity to dart out through my
legs when it presented itself, this time he was waiting at the door,
scheming. This wasn't an oppurtunistic dash, he really *wanted* to go out.
He couldn't be dissuaded, and its only the laws of physics that prevented
him actually passing through leg bone that eventually foiled his escapistry.
But instead of returning to his normal catly business, he then went straight
to the back door and tried to ooze himself through the grates. He really
really REALLY wanted to be in the Out.

Of course, I was worried by that time, so I got out of bed and had to search
the house for him. He was hiding in IBKFergus' box, unde the computer table.
Its has been IBKLFergus' box ever since she had claimed it in the
unmistakable way of cats; she'd peed in it several times. Shmogg was jammed
into his box that was only just big enough for IBKFergus, hunkered down, not
moving. I called to him. He opened his eyes, but didn't move. I stretched
out my hand, calling again. His ears swivelled, and he looked at me, but
still entirely failed to get out of the box and come to me - very unlike
him.

And at that point, my lack-of-sleep-addled brain put the escape attempt, the
lack of interest in dinner (nothing terribly unusual about that in itself,
stupid slave I am occasionally serves up pure poison instead of the gourmet
cat food that comes up out the very same can the feed before), the lack of
Shmogg upon my bed for the first time in nearly 6 years, him crammed into
another cat's well-marked box, and him not coming even to an outstretched
hand together and came to a horrid, inconceivable conclusion..

Didn't want dinner.old cat.cats run away to die.. Shmogg not on my bed at
all..won't even move..

I crammed myself under the table, and, through tears, told my dear sweet
Shmogg that I loved him very much, that he'd been a good cat, and that it
was OK if he had to go. I sat there, under the table, shivering (It was a
cool night and I hadn't put my robe on), getting cramps from being under the
table in an awkward spot, crying quietly, stoking my kitty, trying to burn
into my brain the feel of his coat, the sound of his purr, the loving look
in his eyes, because quite clearly this was the last time I'd see him alive.

Shmogg fel asleep. The house was quiet. I was cold, and cramped, and there
was nothing else to do but let Shmogg take his leave in his own good time.

I took myself back to bed, the bed without a cat, and cried myself to sleep.

$)(%((&*$@#&**!!!!

I've never been so happy to wake up with whiskers in my sinuses and paw
prints in my bladder.

Shmogg may have slowed down in his old age, but he hasn't forgotten how to
pull a classic B*st*rd C*t trick.

B*st*rd C*t!

Yowie
meee - 28 Mar 2006 03:10 GMT
((((YOwie)))) That horrible feeling is, well, horrible, and I'm so glad you
got to experience the blessed relief of the B*stard Cat Trick!! IKWYM with
the bad nights....my youngest (2) decided to have a screaming night last
night, I am guessing it was leg cramps again, but me and DH ended up
squished over on one side of the king size bed, with DS2's head jammed into
the small of my back, as he decided he could only get to sleep in that
position....here's hoping for some sleep for you tonight!!
> Shmogg is getting old. He's got the 'old cat' dimple in his haunches, even
> though there's still a bit of an udder down below. He spends most of his
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> Yowie
Karen - 28 Mar 2006 04:59 GMT
> $)(%((&*$@#&**!!!!
>
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>
> Yowie

Aww Yowie. It's hell getting old. I'm glad he came to bed.
Sam - 28 Mar 2006 05:18 GMT
> Shmogg is getting old. He's got the 'old cat' dimple in his haunches, even
> though there's still a bit of an udder down below. He spends most of his day
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>
> Yowie

Whew!  You had me scared s*itless there for quite a while.  So glad it
wasn't time yet.

Good job, Schmogg!

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Pamela  Shirk - 28 Mar 2006 05:24 GMT
> I crammed myself under the table, and, through tears, told my dear sweet
> Shmogg that I loved him very much, that he'd been a good cat, and that it
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> I've never been so happy to wake up with whiskers in my sinuses and paw
> prints in my bladder.

He's not only getting older, but getting better at keeping his hoomin on her
toes.

Pam S. glad he's all right and understanding about the fear of losing a long
time friend
Marina - 28 Mar 2006 06:18 GMT
> Shmogg is getting old. He's got the 'old cat' dimple in his haunches, even
> though there's still a bit of an udder down below. He spends most of his day
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> no matter what else has happened in the day, he still finds hte energy to
> jump up onto my bed and purr me to sleep each night.

<snip act of b*st*rdry>

> Shmogg may have slowed down in his old age, but he hasn't forgotten how to
> pull a classic B*st*rd C*t trick.

LOL! What a relief!

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Adrian A - 28 Mar 2006 11:28 GMT
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> $)(%((&*$@#&**!!!!
>
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>
> Yowie

You had me worried there! I hope Shmogg still has a few years left, how old
is he now?

As for Cary, maybe if he had his own bed instead of a cot he'd be happier.
He'd certainly benifit if both parents had a good nights sleep.
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Yowie - 08 Apr 2006 22:44 GMT
> <snip>
>> $)(%((&*$@#&**!!!!
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> old
> is he now?

He's around 15 this year. I don't know his exact age.

> As for Cary, maybe if he had his own bed instead of a cot he'd be happier.
> He'd certainly benifit if both parents had a good nights sleep.

Once Cary can demonstrate he can sleep without thrashing around madly, and
can keep a blanket / duvet on, then he getshis own bed. In the meantime,
wehave to keep the sides fo the cot up, otherwise he'd fall out (he's fallen
out of mine a few times, thankfully landing on my teddy bear collection so
no harm done except a bit of a scare)

Yowie
Debra Berry - 28 Mar 2006 16:29 GMT
So glad it was just a B*st*rd C*t trick!  

Debbie

> Shmogg is getting old. He's got the 'old cat' dimple in his haunches, even
> though there's still a bit of an udder down below. He spends most of his day
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>
> Yowie
Susan M - 28 Mar 2006 16:34 GMT
> Shmogg fel asleep. The house was quiet. I was cold, and cramped, and there
> was nothing else to do but let Shmogg take his leave in his own good time.
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> I've never been so happy to wake up with whiskers in my sinuses and paw
> prints in my bladder.

> Shmogg may have slowed down in his old age, but he hasn't forgotten how to
> pull a classic B*st*rd C*t trick.

Awwww - a scary/funny story.  I'm glad you're both okay!

Susan M
Otis and chester
Susan M - 28 Mar 2006 16:43 GMT
> As some of you might already know, we're having difficulty with The
> Yowlet.
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> Happy
> Campers.

BTW, we had this with Jane until she was 2.  My son did not want to sleep
anywhere near us when he was a baby - they sure know their own minds.  In
any case, for Jane's 2nd birthday, we made a big deal out of a buying a bed
with special flowery sheets.  She moved in on her second birthday and stayed
there.  When she was about 3, she got scared at night and wanted back.  We
got her a lamp that she could turn on by herself and made her a nighttime
activity box with drawing supplies and nice books.  We told her that she
could turn on her light if she was scared and that she had things to do to
keep her busy.  After a couple of nights where she drew about 300 pictures
each, just for the novelty, she was totally fine again and never asked to
come back.

Susan M
Otis and Chester
W. Leong - 28 Mar 2006 16:53 GMT
That's a relief! How old is Shmogg?

Rusty is getting old too. With his history of urinary problems, I am kind of
surprised
he made it past 10. God willing, he will be 12 in 2 months. Like Shomgg, he
also
spends most of his day sleeping.
Sometimes  I wonder how long he will be around, and hope the end is not
painful for him.

Winnie

> Shmogg is getting old. He's got the 'old cat' dimple in his haunches, even
> though there's still a bit of an udder down below. He spends most of his
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>
> Yowie
Jeanette - 28 Mar 2006 18:35 GMT
> I've never been so happy to wake up with whiskers in my sinuses and paw
> prints in my bladder.
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>
> Yowie

He's still got it, Shmogg, the original and best Bastard Cat. :-)

Love

Jeanette
polonca12000 - 28 Mar 2006 21:36 GMT
> Shmogg is getting old. He's got the 'old cat' dimple in his haunches, even
> though there's still a bit of an udder down below. He spends most of his day
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> no matter what else has happened in the day, he still finds hte energy to
> jump up onto my bed and purr me to sleep each night.
<snip>

> I've never been so happy to wake up with whiskers in my sinuses and paw
> prints in my bladder.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Yowie

Lots and lots of purrs and best wishes for you and Shmogg to be together
for a long time,
Polonca and Soncek
Christine Burel - 29 Mar 2006 17:08 GMT
> Shmogg is getting old. He's got the 'old cat' dimple in his haunches, even
> though there's still a bit of an udder down below. He spends most of his day
> sleeping, and has no interest whatsoever in the red greebling. >

snip
> I've never been so happy to wake up with whiskers in my sinuses and paw
> prints in my bladder.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Yowie

Oh Yowie,
huge hugs for you and Shmogg, too -- my heart bobbled when I read your post
just now.  It's hard to have an older pet and I know how it is.  May Shmogg
still have many more b*st*rd cat tricks to pull on you all.

You and your family are certainly in our thoughts, especially with regards
to the sleep deprivation part.  That was the single biggest killer for us
regarding being older parents have babies.  You're going to get all kinds of
advice on this; I can only tell you what worked for us was to establish a
really predictable bedtime routine (and we adjusted our schedules so that
nothing wrecked this--we didn't have friends over later, etc., everything
revolved around keeping that schedule, because if we didn't, we would PAY!)
and somehow get through the awful part when they carry on -- it will take
time and both of you but it can be done.  I distinctly remember reading a
book called "Solving Your Child's Sleep Problems" by Richard Ferber (c.1986)
and going through all the steps it took because I could not, would not
endure having my children in my bed when I needed to sleep (however, if they
were sick, we did make some exceptions).  I remember Byron sending me off to
the bookstore when I couldn't stand hearing Celeste cry yet again -- we took
turns picking which part of the night we would sleep -- and we were quite
boring people as we took turns napping all weekend long.  For what it's
worth, I think you're going to have to go through the h*ll of getting Cary
to adjust to his own bed at some point or another and it sounds like you may
want to get it done sooner rather than later for all your sanity's sakes.
Please know you have all our love and support -- hang in there.
love,
Christine
Monique Y. Mudama - 29 Mar 2006 21:57 GMT
> boring people as we took turns napping all weekend long.  For what
> it's worth, I think you're going to have to go through the h*ll of
> getting Cary to adjust to his own bed at some point or another and
> it sounds like you may want to get it done sooner rather than later
> for all your sanity's sakes.  Please know you have all our love and
> support -- hang in there.  love, Christine

I wonder.  A friend of mine has three kids (with another on the way),
and they all sleep together in a king sized bed.  He says that the
kids will want to escape from their parents soon enough; why rush?

I wonder, though, how they deal with the kinds of stuff you're
describing.

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Jo Firey - 29 Mar 2006 22:48 GMT
>> boring people as we took turns napping all weekend long.  For what
>> it's worth, I think you're going to have to go through the h*ll of
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> I wonder, though, how they deal with the kinds of stuff you're
> describing.

Have to weigh in here.  My brother and SIL thought letting their son sleep
with them was no big deal.  He never did really get used to sleeping in his
own room.  He would go in their room to go to sleep and they would have to
move him when he got much older.  Even when he came home from college he
would go into their room to take a nap rather than his own,

Jo
Monique Y. Mudama - 29 Mar 2006 23:07 GMT
> Have to weigh in here.  My brother and SIL thought letting their son
> sleep with them was no big deal.  He never did really get used to
> sleeping in his own room.  He would go in their room to go to sleep
> and they would have to move him when he got much older.  Even when
> he came home from college he would go into their room to take a nap
> rather than his own,

I dunno.  I always had my own room, but even as a college kid I liked
to take naps in my parents' room.  Hey, they had a bigger bed, and
their room was a lot nicer!

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 29 Mar 2006 22:50 GMT
>> I think you're going to have to go through the h*ll of
>> getting Cary to adjust to his own bed at some point or another and
>> it sounds like you may want to get it done sooner rather than later
>> for all your sanity's sakes.

> I wonder.  A friend of mine has three kids (with another on the way),
> and they all sleep together in a king sized bed.  He says that the
> kids will want to escape from their parents soon enough; why rush?

I was thinking the same thing. I don't really understand what harm there
is in young children sleeping with their parents. Families all over
the world share a single bed, and have done so for millenia. I hardly
think all those children have been psychologically traumatized by this.
It seems natural to me - we're mammals, after all. In fact, I think
there is something cold and lonely about the way that most children
get shut into their own rooms at such a young age.

As a child I was plagued by phobias and terrors at night, and would have
felt much safer sleeping with my parents. I have a lot of creepy memories
of lying in bed, wide awake and too terrified to move or call out. On
the times when I dared to brave the dark halls and menacing dark doorways
I had to pass to get to my parents' room, I would end up crawling into bed
with them. My fears would pass and I'd go off to sleep. I did outgrow this
naturally, and by 11 or 12 I had given it up entirely.

Joyce
Monique Y. Mudama - 29 Mar 2006 23:06 GMT
> > I wonder.  A friend of mine has three kids (with another on the
> > way), and they all sleep together in a king sized bed.  He says
> > that the kids will want to escape from their parents soon enough;
> > why rush?
>
> I was thinking the same thing.

I just want to make clear here that I'm not necessarily against kids
having their own rooms or beds or whatnot; until I talked to my friend
recently, it hadn't really occured to me that there were alternatives.
I was just curious about how they'd dealt with the "kickboxing at night"
aspect of a child in the bed.

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Helen Miles - 29 Mar 2006 23:11 GMT
> As a child I was plagued by phobias and terrors at night, and would have
> felt much safer sleeping with my parents. I have a lot of creepy memories
> of lying in bed, wide awake and too terrified to move or call out.///

That's why I had a cat. :o) My folks got their sleep, and I had a
protector called Smudge who purred all the evil monsters away. :o)

Helen M
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 30 Mar 2006 02:07 GMT
> That's why I had a cat. :o) My folks got their sleep, and I had a
> protector called Smudge who purred all the evil monsters away. :o)

Smudge - great name for a kitty. :)

We had many cats when I was a kid, but they didn't usually sleep with
us kids. That would have been a great comfort to me, too. But I think
the cats in my house were unnerved by all the screaming and yelling
(rage-aholic dad), so they weren't especially friendly. Plus, I was
very needy for affection, which the parental units weren't too
dependable in giving, so I often turned to the animals. I imagine
that my intense need for hugs and affection must have been a little
overwhelming for a cat, because they usually squirmed away. I still
adored them, though!

Re: parental sleep - I always woke them up when asking to climb into
bed with them. My mother hated this, and would flounce off in annoyance
to the day bed in the den. But my dad was a deep sleeper, and I don't
think I was much of a thrasher. Once asleep, I don't think I disturbed
him much.

Joyce
Helen Miles - 30 Mar 2006 15:08 GMT
>  > That's why I had a cat. :o) My folks got their sleep, and I had a
>  > protector called Smudge who purred all the evil monsters away. :o)
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> We had many cats when I was a kid, but they didn't usually sleep with
> us kids. That would have been a great comfort to me, too.///

Yeah, I guess that's why I still sleep best if there's a cat or 5
on the bed. ;o)

Helen M
Adrian A - 30 Mar 2006 10:28 GMT
>> As a child I was plagued by phobias and terrors at night, and would
>> have felt much safer sleeping with my parents. I have a lot of
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>
> Helen M

Cats _can_ be better than parents sometimes, ;o)
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badwilson - 30 Mar 2006 04:42 GMT
>  >> I think you're going to have to go through the h*ll of
>  >> getting Cary to adjust to his own bed at some point or another and
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> there is something cold and lonely about the way that most children
> get shut into their own rooms at such a young age.

Sure, but if the child thrashes around and tosses and turns and keeps the
parent from getting any sleep at all, which seems to be the case with the
Yowlet, then surely it's not a good thing?
--
Britta
Christine Burel - 30 Mar 2006 14:29 GMT
>  >> I think you're going to have to go through the h*ll of
>  >> getting Cary to adjust to his own bed at some point or another and
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>
> Joyce

Just to clarify things a bit, in our case, if our kids cried out and/or were
scared we would go always go in to them.  This is why Byron and I would pick
which half of the night we wanted to sleep.  Celeste had trouble shifting
sleep cycles and would wake up crying like she was terrified every night
usually around 11:30 p.m.; this went on until she turned two.  She also
slept with her light on at night. And, as I said, if they were sick, then we
let them sleep with us if they wanted to (Celeste did.) We were  and always
have been there for them if they needed us.  But, at least, for us, we
needed some space for us so that we could be at least mostly functioning as
good parents during the daytime.
regards,
Christine
Cheryl Perkins - 30 Mar 2006 14:56 GMT
> I was thinking the same thing. I don't really understand what harm there
> is in young children sleeping with their parents. Families all over
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> there is something cold and lonely about the way that most children
> get shut into their own rooms at such a young age.

<snip>

I don't suppose there's usually any harm in it, but if I had ever had
children, I would have been firmly on the 'in their own room' camp, since
I am both a restless sleeper myself and easily disturbed by other restless
sleepers. I'd have been terrified that I'd roll over on top of a very
small child, or send him or her flying when I flailed my arms, and sure
(having shared beds at various times) that I'd have had difficulty
sleeping myself with extra people (especially numerous, restless and
possibly sick extra people) in the bed. The cats seem to adjust to my
tossing and turning just fine, but they aren't as helpless as infants.

Unlike you, though, I liked the night, sleeping alone, and having my own
room, and was never nervous about such things even as a small child.

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Susan M - 30 Mar 2006 17:04 GMT
"Cheryl Perkins" <cperkins@mun.ca> wrote in message news:442be3a6@news.bnb-
> I don't suppose there's usually any harm in it, but if I had ever had
> children, I would have been firmly on the 'in their own room' camp, since
> I am both a restless sleeper myself and easily disturbed by other restless
> sleepers.

The thing is that you don't get to choose.  My daughter screamed
hysterically when she was left alone from the age of 2 weeks on.  2 weeks is
too young to be deliberately manipulative.  I once tried to allow her to
"cry it out" as recommended by various old white guys who are child sleep
"experts".  My daughter didn't stop for two hours and eventually threw up.
She was fundamentally distraught and terrified and really in distress when
not only left by herself, but by not touching someone else at night.  There
was no way, as a parent, that I was going to allow her to be like that,
despite my type-A tendency to plan things and control my environment.  It
certainly wasn't something I'd planned or wanted to do when I had kids, to
share a bed with them.  It was just not an option for me or Jane to be apart
at night for the first couple of years.

My son, OTOH, couldn't sleep in our room.  It was too stimulating for him
and he made it clear early on that he needed his privacy.

You really don't get to choose in some cases.

>I'd have been terrified that I'd roll over on top of a very
> small child, or send him or her flying when I flailed my arms, and sure
> (having shared beds at various times) that I'd have had difficulty
> sleeping myself with extra people (especially numerous, restless and
> possibly sick extra people) in the bed.

It's amazing how you get used to it.

Susan M
Otis and Chester
Monique Y. Mudama - 30 Mar 2006 17:23 GMT
> "Cheryl Perkins" <cperkins@mun.ca> wrote in message
> news:442be3a6@news.bnb-
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>
> It's amazing how you get used to it.

I imagine that if you don't roll over on top of your cats, you
probably don't roll over onto a baby, either.

My friend reports that things like night feedings are much easier when
you don't have to get out of bed for it.

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 30 Mar 2006 22:56 GMT
> My friend reports that things like night feedings are much easier when
> you don't have to get out of bed for it.

I was thinking of that, too. Of course, that only works if you're
(1) female, and (2) breast feeding, otherwise you still have to get
up!

Joyce
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 30 Mar 2006 22:58 GMT
> The thing is that you don't get to choose.  My daughter screamed
> hysterically when she was left alone from the age of 2 weeks on...
> She was fundamentally distraught and terrified and really in distress when
> not only left by herself, but by not touching someone else at night.  There
> was no way, as a parent, that I was going to allow her to be like that,

Susan, for some reason, you have been fated to be close to beings who
desperately need you at night and then disrupt your sleep.

Purrs for undisturbed sleep! :)

Joyce
Susan M - 31 Mar 2006 07:18 GMT
> Susan, for some reason, you have been fated to be close to beings who
> desperately need you at night and then disrupt your sleep.
>
> Purrs for undisturbed sleep! :)

Thanks Joyce ;-)  It takes one to know one I guess - this is the karmic
return from my own childhood :D

Susan M
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Yowie - 08 Apr 2006 22:52 GMT
> >> I think you're going to have to go through the h*ll of
> >> getting Cary to adjust to his own bed at some point or another and
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> with them. My fears would pass and I'd go off to sleep. I did outgrow this
> naturally, and by 11 or 12 I had given it up entirely.

I'd be *happy* to have Cary sleep in my bed, if he didn't keep me awake all
night thrashing around, stealing my covers (not sleepign under them, just
stealing them) and removing my pillows from under my head whilst I"m asleep.
If he just cuddled up and went to sleep next to me, it would be quite
pleasant. After all, Shmogg cuddles up and goes to sleep beside me too, and
its gotten to the point I can't sleep properly *without* Shmogg there.

Yowie
Pamela  Shirk - 09 Apr 2006 01:58 GMT
> I'd be *happy* to have Cary sleep in my bed, if he didn't keep me awake
> all night thrashing around, stealing my covers (not sleepign under them,
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> too, and its gotten to the point I can't sleep properly *without* Shmogg
> there.

Humm, Carey sounds a lot like Rob and Mandy.  The worst night I ever had was
when they got me between them to sleep.  I had bruises over a good portion
of my legs and hind end.  Rob knee capped me as well.  Somehow the two of
them divided the blankets and sheets and I ended up sleeping in the middle
of the bed without any covers.  I refused to let the two of them tag team me
after that.  We did go through a brief (ha, it lasted forever) period when
Rob was on his second trip to Korea when Mandy decided that I was lonely at
night and needed her to keep me company.  I suffered a lot.

Pam S. who's hubby still steals the blankets and pillows at night
Yowie - 08 Apr 2006 22:49 GMT
>> boring people as we took turns napping all weekend long.  For what
>> it's worth, I think you're going to have to go through the h*ll of
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> I wonder, though, how they deal with the kinds of stuff you're
> describing.

My bneice sleeps in her parennt's bed with her mother (my sister) and
husband, and htey love it, all being snuggled up against each other.Of
course Sarah (my neice) doesn't thrash around the bed all night like Cary.

If Cary stayed still during the night, and  kept hisblankets on, there
wouldn't be so much of a problem co-sleeping. I'd kinda like it, too,
actually. But unfortunately, Cary took after me in that regard: we both swim
in our sleep.

Touch wood, though, he's slept in his own bed for most of this week. The
trick is to keep the room *warm* so when he throws off his covers, he
doesn't get too cold. Our heating bill is going to be hideous, nad it snot
even winter proper yet.

Yowie
Monique Y. Mudama - 09 Apr 2006 01:24 GMT
> Touch wood, though, he's slept in his own bed for most of this week.
> The trick is to keep the room *warm* so when he throws off his
> covers, he doesn't get too cold. Our heating bill is going to be
> hideous, nad it snot even winter proper yet.

If he's sleeping in his own bed, the adults in the household are both
getting enough sleep, right?  That's great!

Is it possible to use a space heater for the room, or is that
dangerous with little ones?

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Yowie - 12 Apr 2006 23:14 GMT
>> Touch wood, though, he's slept in his own bed for most of this week.
>> The trick is to keep the room *warm* so when he throws off his
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Is it possible to use a space heater for the room, or is that
> dangerous with little ones?

I don't know what a 'space heater' is exactly. What we've got in there is an
oil-filled one that has about 5 fins, so there is nothing that can actually
burn him or asphyxiate him with CO2 in a closed room. It gets hot enough to
be uncomfortable to touch, but no red-hot anything and definatley no flames
anywhere. Looks like item No.6049611487 on Australian E-Bay
(www.ebay.com.au), but isn't that fancy.  Is that what you meant?

They dont' work for large rooms, but certainly do the job well in his
bedroom.

Yowie
Monique Y. Mudama - 12 Apr 2006 23:55 GMT
> I don't know what a 'space heater' is exactly. What we've got in
> there is an oil-filled one that has about 5 fins, so there is
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> No.6049611487 on Australian E-Bay (www.ebay.com.au), but isn't that
> fancy.  Is that what you meant?

These are about what I meant:

http://www.circuitcity.com//rpsm/catOid/-14941/N/20013161+20013166+20014941/link
/ref/rpem/ccd/categorylist.do?WT.mc_n=115511&WT.mc_t=U&cm_ven=PAID%20SEARCH&cm_c
at=ADVERTISING.COM&cm_pla=CATEGORY%20-%20SMALL%20APPLIANC-%3ECLASS%20-%20VACUUM%
20CLEANERS&cm_ite=51418%20PURCHASED%20KEYWORD-SPACE%20HEATER&cm_keycode=115511


But it looks like they might be kind of dangerous:

http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/pubs/463.html

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Yowie - 17 Apr 2006 05:34 GMT
>> I don't know what a 'space heater' is exactly. What we've got in
>> there is an oil-filled one that has about 5 fins, so there is
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/pubs/463.html

They look like they have that ceramic stuff that glows bright red whent he
heater is on. We didn't want anything in his room that could possibly be an
ignition source, as it is the olny heater that doesn't have almost constant
adult supervision. The oil filled heater isn't even that hot to the touch -
its not *comfotable* to touch it when its on, but certainly couldn't cause
instantaneous burns. Curious little fingers wold most likely withdraw
because of the 'ow' factor before any actual burning occured, and its highly
unlikley that things would catch fire it they fell on it (just dry out).

The other ones you *might* be talking about tend to blow hot hair out. We
didn't want anythign that noisy, and we've had one of those blow up on
us.... hence the oil filled 'radiator' thing.

We have a gas heater in the lounge room, but the reverse cycle air con we
had pu in in summer seems to do a *far* better job of heating the house than
the gas heater did. I just wish there was some sort of heater that didn't
dry out the air so much.

Yowie
Monique Y. Mudama - 17 Apr 2006 19:37 GMT
> The other ones you *might* be talking about tend to blow hot hair
> out. We didn't want anythign that noisy, and we've had one of those
> blow up on us.... hence the oil filled 'radiator' thing.

That sounds more like what I mean.  Blowing hot air.

> We have a gas heater in the lounge room, but the reverse cycle air
> con we had pu in in summer seems to do a *far* better job of heating
> the house than the gas heater did. I just wish there was some sort
> of heater that didn't dry out the air so much.

Yeah, that would be nice.  Could you run a humidifier?

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Yowie - 20 Apr 2006 12:51 GMT
>> The other ones you *might* be talking about tend to blow hot hair
>> out. We didn't want anythign that noisy, and we've had one of those
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Yeah, that would be nice.  Could you run a humidifier?

I wouldn't know what a humdifier *looked* like, much less where to get one
from. Its something that us Aussies don't seem to really need that much. Is
it akin to those vaporiser machines that you put in kid's bedrooms at night
when they have a cold?

Most of the time, we complain *about* the humidity, not the lack of it!

Yowie
Stormin Mormon - 20 Apr 2006 13:11 GMT
As a heating and AC guy, I can answer this. Some humifiers sit on the
table top or shelf
  http://www.mediawaveonline.com/holmes-humidifier.php
such as this. They have a water storage tank, and put water into the
air. Other humidifiers are atached to the furnace, and might look like
this.
  http://www.kool-aire.net/air/humidifier.htm
The one pictured here is very familiar to me; I've installed more than
several of htem.

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> We have a gas heater in the lounge room, but the reverse cycle air
> con we had pu in in summer seems to do a *far* better job of heating
> the house than the gas heater did. I just wish there was some sort
> of heater that didn't dry out the air so much.

> Yeah, that would be nice.  Could you run a humidifier?

I wouldn't know what a humdifier *looked* like, much less where to get
one
from. Its something that us Aussies don't seem to really need that
much. Is
it akin to those vaporiser machines that you put in kid's bedrooms at
night
when they have a cold?

Most of the time, we complain *about* the humidity, not the lack of
it!

Yowie
Monique Y. Mudama - 20 Apr 2006 18:27 GMT
> As a heating and AC guy, I can answer this. Some humifiers sit on the
> table top or shelf
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> The one pictured here is very familiar to me; I've installed more than
> several of htem.

We use one of the little ones in our bedroom.

The previous house owners have one of the integrated ones, but we've
never used it.  The house inspector said something about it increasing
the chance of mold in the pipes ...

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Yowie - 20 Apr 2006 23:03 GMT
Nope, never seen either one of those. I don't think they exist here.

I"ve never heard of humidifiers until I started talking to people in the
USA.

Yowie

> As a heating and AC guy, I can answer this. Some humifiers sit on the
> table top or shelf
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>
> Yowie
mlbriggs - 21 Apr 2006 00:49 GMT
> As a heating and AC guy, I can answer this. Some humifiers sit on the
> table top or shelf
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> The one pictured here is very familiar to me; I've installed more than
> several of htem.

When I had my furnace installed, I also had an humidifier installed.  It
never worked properly because our hard water clogged the tubes.  It would
then leak.  I eventually had it removed.  During the winter. I use a
simple hand filled one with a wicking filter.  It helps with our dry air.
MLB
Stormin Mormon - 21 Apr 2006 03:19 GMT
There are different designs. The Aprilaire have a flow through design.
So the minerals don't build up as badly as the old designs.

I'm glad you found a system that works. Do you feed it jugs of spring
water from the discount store, or just your rock hard tap water? Can
you bring water home from work or something like that?

I had a cou ple friends with awful well water. I used to bring them
drinking water in galon jugs. Did that for many  months.

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On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:11:40 +0000, Stormin Mormon wrote:

>    http://www.kool-aire.net/air/humidifier.htm
> The one pictured here is very familiar to me; I've installed more than
> several of htem.

When I had my furnace installed, I also had an humidifier installed.
It
never worked properly because our hard water clogged the tubes.  It
would
then leak.  I eventually had it removed.  During the winter. I use a
simple hand filled one with a wicking filter.  It helps with our dry
air.
MLB
Cheryl Perkins - 21 Apr 2006 14:58 GMT
> There are different designs. The Aprilaire have a flow through design.
> So the minerals don't build up as badly as the old designs.

> I'm glad you found a system that works. Do you feed it jugs of spring
> water from the discount store, or just your rock hard tap water? Can
> you bring water home from work or something like that?

> I had a cou ple friends with awful well water. I used to bring them
> drinking water in galon jugs. Did that for many  months.

That brings back memories! I used to live in a town in which the water,
although very thoroughly chlorinated and therefore unable to transmit
disease, had a disgusting taste and colour, particularly during spring
run-off. I used to go to a friend's workplace which had an artesian well
and load up on drinking water! Now, of course, bottled water is much more
widely available than it was then.

In our damp climate, some people have dehumidifiers (although I don't),
and I don't think humidifiers are common at all, although people working
in buildings with modern sealed windows and air conditioning always
complain about how dry and unpleasant the air is.

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mlbriggs - 21 Apr 2006 17:25 GMT
> There are different designs. The Aprilaire have a flow through design.
> So the minerals don't build up as badly as the old designs.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> I had a cou ple friends with awful well water. I used to bring them
> drinking water in galon jugs. Did that for many  months.

The humidifier that was installed with my furnace was an Aprilaire.  The
copper tubing that brought in the city water clogged with lime very fast.
The current one with the hand filled reservoir and wicking filter uses the
city water.  I do have to change the filters more often than recommended.
We have had lots of snow and rain this
Spring so it is not in use now.    My eyes feel better when it is in use.
MLB
Stormin Mormon - 22 Apr 2006 13:45 GMT
Oh, I didn't know the tubing got clogged. I'm pleased you found an
answer, that's no fun to have dry air in the winter.

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The humidifier that was installed with my furnace was an Aprilaire.
The
copper tubing that brought in the city water clogged with lime very
fast.
The current one with the hand filled reservoir and wicking filter uses
the
city water.  I do have to change the filters more often than
recommended.
We have had lots of snow and rain this
Spring so it is not in use now.    My eyes feel better when it is in
use.
MLB
Karen AKA Kajikit - 29 Mar 2006 18:11 GMT
>Shmogg is getting old. He's got the 'old cat' dimple in his haunches, even
>though there's still a bit of an udder down below. He spends most of his day
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>no matter what else has happened in the day, he still finds hte energy to
>jump up onto my bed and purr me to sleep each night.

(snip b@st@rd cat trick)

>I've never been so happy to wake up with whiskers in my sinuses and paw
>prints in my bladder.
>
>Shmogg may have slowed down in his old age, but he hasn't forgotten how to
>pull a classic B*st*rd C*t trick.

I'm so glad Shmogg is okay... you had my eyes watering there!
Monique Y. Mudama - 29 Mar 2006 21:56 GMT
> I've never been so happy to wake up with whiskers in my sinuses and
> paw prints in my bladder.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> B*st*rd C*t!

What a night!  I could have talked myself into doing the same thing.

Can you get an extra turn w/out the Yowlet?

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Takayuki - 30 Mar 2006 03:39 GMT
>Didn't want dinner.old cat.cats run away to die.. Shmogg not on my bed at
>all..won't even move..

This was another cute story!  I like how you come to these very
logical conclusions about Shmogg that just turn out to be wrong.
CATherine - 30 Mar 2006 04:05 GMT
>Shmogg may have slowed down in his old age, but he hasn't forgotten how to
>pull a classic B*st*rd C*t trick.
>
>B*st*rd C*t!
>
>Yowie

Oh boy, are you well trained! Lying on the cold floor all night
ministering to His Royal Highness! But, really, i am glad the story
has a happy and funny ending. At first i was very worried. Sheba also
has dimpled, scrawney haunches and she is only 15. But she is full of
life. Purrs for Shmogg and hugs for you.

--
CATherine
glsummer@neptunelink.com - 17 Apr 2006 19:04 GMT
>Shmogg is getting old. He's got the 'old cat' dimple in his haunches, even
>though there's still a bit of an udder down below. He spends most of his day
[quoted text clipped - 107 lines]
>
>Yowie

{{{Yowie}}}}

I'm so glad it was just a B*st*rd C*t trick.  There's life in the old
Shmogg yet!

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