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AHHH!!!  A VULTURE!!!

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Mischief - 27 Mar 2006 03:42 GMT
I was just making myself a sandwich.  A delicious HAM sandwich.

I'm hearing a meow every now and then, but i don't see any cat or feel
anyone rubbing against me.

I'm about finished with my sandwich when i hear a louder meow and
suddenly out of the corner of my eye i spot a grey figure hunched over.
AHHHH!!!! I jumped back.

It was Mischief, the little vulture, perched on top of the fridge and
all hunched over trying to get a piece of ham.

I HATE it when she does that.  

varmint.....

Kristi
Matthew AKA NMR ( NO MORE RETAIL ) - 27 Mar 2006 03:44 GMT
bad cat slave  you did not prepare a snack for the masters :-)

>I was just making myself a sandwich.  A delicious HAM sandwich.
>
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>
> Kristi
Mischief - 27 Mar 2006 03:46 GMT
They're getting dinner in ten minutes... hmph!
Matthew AKA NMR ( NO MORE RETAIL ) - 27 Mar 2006 03:55 GMT
what you eat before the masters  bad cat slave   the masters come first  we
get to eat dinner if they allow us.  We must appease the gods first  us cat
slaves must bow to the whim of the masters if we don't they leave special
surprise on our pillow or we step in it when eyes half open in morning
before morning coffee; one heck of a wake up call ;-)

Just kidding mischief  make a ham sandwich in my house  involves tricking
them into their room, making a run for it and locking door I have to do this
every time we prepare meals in my house

> They're getting dinner in ten minutes... hmph!
Mischief - 27 Mar 2006 04:20 GMT
Jo Firey - 27 Mar 2006 05:15 GMT
> what you eat before the masters  bad cat slave   the masters come first
> we get to eat dinner if they allow us.  We must appease the gods first  us
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> them into their room, making a run for it and locking door I have to do
> this every time we prepare meals in my house

I'd think that was terrible.  But the only reason we've been spared that is
two cats that won't touch human food.

Seems our luck has run out however.  Kayla the Border is five months old
today.  In the last week she has taught herself to jump high enough to
survey the kitchen countertops.  And then to jump again and grab anything
interesting within a foot of the edge.

Until I can teach her that it isn't OK just because she can, I either have
to stand in the kitchen, put her outside or in her crate, or clean off the
entire counter.

There is going to be a major problem one of these days from Jake letting his
tail dangle off the counter when he is eating.  At least Molly has enough
sense to wrap her tail around her body when she eats on the counter.

Jo
Matthew AKA NMR ( NO MORE RETAIL ) - 27 Mar 2006 05:35 GMT
>> what you eat before the masters  bad cat slave   the masters come first
>> we get to eat dinner if they allow us.  We must appease the gods first
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> I'd think that was terrible.  But the only reason we've been spared that
> is two cats that won't touch human food.

It might be terrible  but I never want one of my masters burning themselves
on the stove or oven, getting into harms way.  They all know not to be on
the counter but still no matter what when you have people in the house that
don't listen and did as they wanted when they were younger it spoils the
children.  It got to the point where they became little devils I had to
install locks on the cabinets and even buy a frig and freezer that has lock
on it.

I go all out when I  cook and can have all the burners going, including a
indoor grill, smoker like a professional resturant would have.  all I need
is one deciding not to listen and jump up when I am chopping or moving
something hot.  I might be paranoid about it but I could never forgive
myself If I hurt one of them ever

> Seems our luck has run out however.  Kayla the Border is five months old
> today.  In the last week she has taught herself to jump high enough to
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>
> Jo
Jo Firey - 27 Mar 2006 07:09 GMT
>>> Just kidding mischief  make a ham sandwich in my house  involves
>>> tricking them into their room, making a run for it and locking door I
>>> have to do this every time we prepare meals in my house

> It might be terrible  but I never want one of my masters burning
> themselves on the stove or oven, getting into harms way.

I don't do a lot of cooking anymore.  But I've had naughty cats for so long
that it is second nature to me to move the tea kettle or something onto a
hot burner if I'm moving a pan off of it.  I'm always worried about careless
paws. And pan handles are always in their safest rather than their most
convenient position.

I would probably cook more if I had a kitchen that had a door so I could
keep everyone out.  Then again if I had a kitchen I could keep everyone out
of I'd likely be in there getting drunk on the cooking wine.

Jo
W. Leong - 27 Mar 2006 18:23 GMT
When I first moved in here, I thought of installing doors to my kitchen
which has two entrances.
Never got around to it. But Rusty only jumps on the counter when I am not
in the kitchen and there is something that smells good.

Winnie

> I would probably cook more if I had a kitchen that had a door so I could
> keep everyone out.  Then again if I had a kitchen I could keep everyone
> out of I'd likely be in there getting drunk on the cooking wine.
>
> Jo
meee - 28 Mar 2006 00:03 GMT
Lol! I have to feed the cats and put them to bed before we eat! I've managed
to train them not to jump on benches (well, unless they think I'm not
looking....) but the boys kiddie table is juts the right height for a
snack....and my youngest is, of course, totally helpless in the face of
attacking kittens, and will sit there and scream while they eat his food, so
i cook for the cats first, then for us! My goodness they are spoilt....

> When I first moved in here, I thought of installing doors to my kitchen
> which has two entrances.
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>>
>> Jo
W. Leong - 28 Mar 2006 05:51 GMT
> Lol! I have to feed the cats and put them to bed before we eat! I've
> managed to train them not to jump on benches (well, unless they think I'm
> not looking....) but the boys kiddie table is juts the right height for a
> snack....and my youngest is, of course, totally helpless in the face of
> attacking kittens, and will sit there and scream while they eat his food,
> so i cook for the cats first, then for us! My goodness they are spoilt....

If I want to eat in peace, I better feed Rusty first.
Otherwise he would be circling underfoot looking for crumps.
One time he jumped onto my lap while I was eating Swiss Chalet chicken.
Guess the chicken smells so good to him.
I put Rusty to bed every night in his own room and close the door.
One time I forgot to close his bedroom door and he startled me by jumping on
my bed
at 3 am!
What do you cook for your cats?

Winnie
meeee - 28 Mar 2006 06:43 GMT
>> Lol! I have to feed the cats and put them to bed before we eat! I've
>> managed to train them not to jump on benches (well, unless they think I'm
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>
> Winnie

I alternate, depending on what we have. It goes roughly 'mince, chicken, raw
chicken necks'. i usually steam the mince and chicken, then mix with a
little vegies and rice. I know it's not recommended to feed raw chicken,
because of worms, etc, but I freeze everything before hand, and they have to
be wormed for every worm known to man because of where we live (including
heartworm and tapeworm) and the chicken necks are good for their teeth. You
should see the kitchen at dinner time!! All six of them sit there and stare
at me!!
Marina - 28 Mar 2006 10:16 GMT
> I alternate, depending on what we have. It goes roughly 'mince, chicken, raw
> chicken necks'. i usually steam the mince and chicken, then mix with a
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> should see the kitchen at dinner time!! All six of them sit there and stare
> at me!!

Is there any reason why you don't feed them the mince raw? Heating it
destroys the taurine in it, which is essential for cats (their bodies
don't produc taurine, unlike e.g. humans or d*gs). I heat poultry for
the cats, too, though we haven't had salmonella or any other nasties in
Finland for years. Just to be safe.

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meeee - 28 Mar 2006 11:45 GMT
>> I alternate, depending on what we have. It goes roughly 'mince, chicken,
>> raw chicken necks'. i usually steam the mince and chicken, then mix with
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> cats, too, though we haven't had salmonella or any other nasties in
> Finland for years. Just to be safe.

Mainly as I was told by several people to NEVER feed raw meat. Possibly
because of worms, not sure exactly why. All meat I give them is bought in
bulk, then frozen and defrosted in the microwave immediately before cooking.
That's very interesting about the taurine. In that case, if it's safe
enough, I would prefer feeding it to them raw. In your opinion, considering
the immediate freezing/defrosting/consumption, would it be safe to feed
raw?? We also have no rabies etc here.

> Marina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki.
> marina (dot) kurten (at) iki (dot) fi
> Stories and pics at http://koti.welho.com/mkurten/
> Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/
> and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki 
Marina - 28 Mar 2006 19:54 GMT
> Mainly as I was told by several people to NEVER feed raw meat. Possibly
> because of worms, not sure exactly why. All meat I give them is bought in
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> the immediate freezing/defrosting/consumption, would it be safe to feed
> raw?? We also have no rabies etc here.

Sorry, I don't know what your meat may or may not contain. I know that
in some parts of the world pork can contain some bacteria
(tricho-something? can't remember the name now) that it doesn't contain
here in Finland. Maybe your health authorities have info available on
the web or somewhere? Ours does. Oh, speaking of worms, raw fish can
have worms. Otherwise, I can't advice you. I feed mine fresh meat (beef
and pork), in fact, that is all Miranda will eat - she doesn't recognize
cat food as food.

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meeee - 29 Mar 2006 01:17 GMT
>> Mainly as I was told by several people to NEVER feed raw meat. Possibly
>> because of worms, not sure exactly why. All meat I give them is bought in
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> can't advice you. I feed mine fresh meat (beef and pork), in fact, that is
> all Miranda will eat - she doesn't recognize cat food as food.

Lol!! Cougar tries that on me...I know she is eating the catfood, as she is
nice and healthy, but she tries to make out as if, eeew mum, how do you
expect me to eat that stuff?? I'm staaaarving to death here because you
won't feed me real food...etc etc. She's really very good, she nevereats in
front of me, but I have caught her eating in the middle of the night when
she thought I was sleeping!! I will have to check up on the bacterias. We
don't have many of the greeblies that inhabit the americas and europe. I
will keep cooking my fish then!!
Jo Firey - 28 Mar 2006 23:10 GMT
> Mainly as I was told by several people to NEVER feed raw meat. Possibly
> because of worms, not sure exactly why. All meat I give them is bought in
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> considering the immediate freezing/defrosting/consumption, would it be
> safe to feed raw?? We also have no rabies etc here.

A friend of mine from another group has to feed her Bengal's a raw diet.
One of them cannot tolerate anything else.  Do some searching for
information on the internet and you will find a lot of information on
feeding cats a raw, whole diet.

It looks like a lot of trouble to me unless a cat really couldn't  eat
anything else, but it sounds like you are doing most of the work already
anyway.

It seems I remember when I was reading about it that you can even buy raw,
frozen cat food in some of the pet chains.  Just thaw and serve.

Jo
meeee - 29 Mar 2006 01:19 GMT
>> Mainly as I was told by several people to NEVER feed raw meat. Possibly
>> because of worms, not sure exactly why. All meat I give them is bought in
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> Jo

Yes, there's plenty of gourmet pet food here, but it's so expensive I'm
better off making it myself. I still feed them dry to make sure they are
getting everything they need, but they seem to do better when I cook them
some food.
W. Leong - 28 Mar 2006 15:04 GMT
> Is there any reason why you don't feed them the mince raw? Heating it
> destroys the taurine in it, which is essential for cats (their bodies
> don't produc taurine, unlike e.g. humans or d*gs). I heat poultry for the
> cats, too, though we haven't had salmonella or any other nasties in
> Finland for years. Just to be safe.

You can get taurine and add it to the cat food. I saw it in some pet care
books.
A health food store I frequented carry taurine supplements for humans.

Winnie
meeee - 29 Mar 2006 01:14 GMT
>> Is there any reason why you don't feed them the mince raw? Heating it
>> destroys the taurine in it, which is essential for cats (their bodies
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Winnie

I'm pretty sure the dry food I give them contains added taurine. I'll have
to check!
Fi - 27 Mar 2006 13:39 GMT
> I was just making myself a sandwich.  A delicious HAM sandwich.
>
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>
> Kristi

LOL - Felix (RB) used to the vulture routine to my husband when he was
sleeping. He would slowly wake up to a large black and white face looming
over him from the night stand.  Just about sent him through the roof a
couple of times.

Fi
Lesley - 27 Mar 2006 14:43 GMT
> LOL - Felix (RB) used to the vulture routine to my husband when he was
> sleeping. He would slowly wake up to a large black and white face looming
> over him from the night stand.  Just about sent him through the roof a
> couple of times.

It could be worse....

Fugazi (RB), every morning would climb onto Dave to get stroked and
would have to walk over me to get to him. Manys the time I've woken up,
yawned, stretched and rolled over to see my first sight of the
day...her butt

Lesley

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Denise Clere - 27 Mar 2006 23:49 GMT
;0    
 I was just making myself a sandwich.  A delicious HAM sandwich.

 I'm hearing a meow every now and then, but i don't see any cat or feel
 anyone rubbing against me.

 I'm about finished with my sandwich when i hear a louder meow and
 suddenly out of the corner of my eye i spot a grey figure hunched over.
  AHHHH!!!! I jumped back.

 It was Mischief, the little vulture, perched on top of the fridge and
 all hunched over trying to get a piece of ham.

 I HATE it when she does that.  

 varmint.....

 Kristi
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 28 Mar 2006 00:21 GMT
> [-- text/plain, encoding quoted-printable, charset: iso-8859-1, 23 lines --]

> ;0    

Denise,

I'm not sure why, but your posts always cause problems in my news
reader. Does your news program insert MIME characters into your posts?
I guess you're using Google? Maybe there's something on the site that
would tell you what's going on. I can't read your posts because of
those characters.

Joyce
Monique Y. Mudama - 28 Mar 2006 00:51 GMT
> > [-- text/plain, encoding quoted-printable, charset: iso-8859-1, 23
> > lines --]
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Joyce

Me, too.  I can't read those posts.  I'm ashamed to admit that I
assumed they were spam and ignored them.

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Adrian A - 28 Mar 2006 09:53 GMT
>>> [-- text/plain, encoding quoted-printable, charset: iso-8859-1, 23
>>> lines --]
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Me, too.  I can't read those posts.  I'm ashamed to admit that I
> assumed they were spam and ignored them.

For some reason most of Denise's posts are HTML, I don't know why, it is
very easy to set Outlook Express to post 'Plain Text Only'
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Denise Clere - 28 Mar 2006 19:53 GMT
guess i'm too fond of HTML,i can switch it,i forget some folks seem to
dislike  it.
Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
>> Denise Clere <dclere@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> Me, too.  I can't read those posts.  I'm ashamed to admit that I
> assumed they were spam and ignored them.

For some reason most of Denise's posts are HTML, I don't know why, it is
very easy to set Outlook Express to post 'Plain Text Only'
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Monique Y. Mudama - 28 Mar 2006 20:03 GMT
> guess i'm too fond of HTML,i can switch it,i forget some folks seem to
> dislike  it.

It's more that our newsreaders can't handle it.

I think mine can handle an HTML post that advertises itself as such,
but if I recall correctly, it can't handle HTML posts that say they're
just plain text.  Or something like that.

It also wouldn't be hard if clients that used HTML used the minimum
amount necessary to do their formatting -- then I could easily read
the actual content.  But for some reason, auto generated HTML is
always ridiculously complicated.

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 29 Mar 2006 03:25 GMT
> guess i'm too fond of HTML,i can switch it,i forget some folks seem to
> dislike  it.

I don't dislike HTML on principle or anything. :) But I use a
text-only newsreader, and it doesn't like HTML. It does weird
stuff with your posts, asking me if I want to use a "mime reader"
to view your post, which I find to be a pain in the butt, so I
just end up deleteing them. So if you were to send posts in plain
texts, then I would be able to read them! :)

Joyce
Denise Clere - 28 Mar 2006 19:49 GMT
i use OE, i guess i ought use plain text more?
Denise Clere <dclere@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

> [-- text/plain, encoding quoted-printable, charset: iso-8859-1, 23 lines --]

> ;0

Denise,

I'm not sure why, but your posts always cause problems in my news
reader. Does your news program insert MIME characters into your posts?
I guess you're using Google? Maybe there's something on the site that
would tell you what's going on. I can't read your posts because of
those characters.

Joyce
Adrian A - 28 Mar 2006 22:16 GMT
> i use OE, i guess i ought use plain text more?

You should make plain text the default for usenet, there is no place for
HTML in any group.
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badwilson - 29 Mar 2006 04:32 GMT
> i use OE, i guess i ought use plain text more?

Not more, *always*.  Unless you're posting to a newsgroup with the word
binary in it, it's a text only group and you should have html off.
--
Britta

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