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Pat - 24 Mar 2006 05:05 GMT
In the house closest to mine lives a couple and three dogs. Their yard is
not fenced, so the dogs only get to go out with the people, and mostly only
when they need to relieve themselves. I did not realize until the other
night that they are letting their dogs poop in my yard. I realized it
because I was out there and stepped in some, without seeing or feeling it,
then tracked it through my house before I noticed it.

I didn't know what to do about it at first. In fact it took a while to dawn
on me where this poop had come from, being that I'm not used to having
neighbors so close. I did already have to change bedrooms because the guy
walks the dogs every morning around 7 and is always shouting at them because
he doesn't use leashes. Also, they play loud music that can be heard in the
one bedroom I was using.

Having to change bedrooms I didn't mind much, but having to 'watch my step'
in my own yard is too much. I left a friendly note on the guy's car about
what happened and asked him to please not let them keep doing this, or else
clean up after them.

There is a leash law in this town. Those dogs should not be allowed to run
loose outside, no matter if the owner is nearby. If I keep finding doggie-do
in my yard, should I complain to the authorities, or what? I sure don't
wanna make enemies of the folks next door!
sriddles@aol.com - 24 Mar 2006 08:10 GMT
> In the house closest to mine lives a couple and three dogs. Their yard is
> not fenced, so the dogs only get to go out with the people, and mostly only
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> in my yard, should I complain to the authorities, or what? I sure don't
> wanna make enemies of the folks next door!

Oh, dear. That's the height of doggie-owner rudeness, IMO.  Hopefully
your note will be received well by them, and that will be the end of
it. I think it's always prudent to keep on friendly terms with the
next-door neighbors. Personally I wouldn't call the police or animal
control. I just don't think that would accomplish anything but making
them mad at you.  I'd rather have a face-to-face, friendly chat with
them myself than drag in the police.

Sherry
zaax - 24 Mar 2006 09:31 GMT
just image how you would feel if you didn't report it and they attacked
a child
Ollie - 24 Mar 2006 15:16 GMT
Do you have any other neighbors close to you or close to them so if you made
an anonymous call they wouldn't know who it was from?  Before doing that I
would try and determine if he has control over them when they are not on a
leash.  If he is shouting at them he probably does not have control which
could be a potentially dangerous situation and the problem is bigger than dog
poop in your yard.  If he does have control and you are still getting poop in
your yard after the note I would be still be tempted to call with a complaint.
Nice relations with your neighbors are great but if they are literally
s***ing on you, and know they are, the line needs to be drawn or it will get
worse.
Monique Y. Mudama - 24 Mar 2006 20:34 GMT
> just image how you would feel if you didn't report it and they
> attacked a child

I didn't see anything in Pat's post about violent behavior ... did
you?

Just not a big fan of "think of the children!" reflex responses.

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-L. - 25 Mar 2006 02:05 GMT
> > just image how you would feel if you didn't report it and they
> > attacked a child
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>
> Just not a big fan of "think of the children!" reflex responses.

I agree.  if anyone has a child and they are concerned, they can call
the cops themselves.  Not all dogs are vicious or aggressive toward
children.  

-L.
Christina Websell - 24 Mar 2006 22:09 GMT
> just image how you would feel if you didn't report it and they attacked
> a child

What??  A neighbour's dog poops in your yard and the next thing seems to be
your imagination thinks it might attack a child??
Why is this?  I don't follow your reasoning.
I cannot see any connection at all between a dog pooping where it maybe
shouldn't and the possibility of it attacking a child.  Perhaps you can, but
I can't.
Because there is no connection whatsoever ///

Tweed
(please don't start me on this..)
Ted Davis - 24 Mar 2006 14:48 GMT
>There is a leash law in this town. Those dogs should not be allowed to run
>loose outside, no matter if the owner is nearby. If I keep finding doggie-do
>in my yard, should I complain to the authorities, or what? I sure don't
>wanna make enemies of the folks next door!

You can't make enemies of such people - they have already  declared
war on you and the rest of the neighborhood.

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Cheryl Perkins - 24 Mar 2006 15:01 GMT
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> There is a leash law in this town. Those dogs should not be allowed to run
> loose outside, no matter if the owner is nearby. If I keep finding doggie-do
> in my yard, should I complain to the authorities, or what? I sure don't
> wanna make enemies of the folks next door!

Try speaking to your neighbours face-to-face first - it's best if you can
avoid this building up into a neighbourhood feud like the one which
afflicted an unfortunate person in a local suburban area here a few years
ago. That was about dog droppings in yards, too.

If you can't afford fencing to keep the dogs out - or even if you can -
your next step might be to call the local city council or equivalent and
find out what the leash law actually says and how they enforce it - you
might have to file a complaint with animal control instead of the police,
depending on your local government setup.

There are substances purported to discourage animals - I had a recipe
for one concoction which worked reasonably well, but looked like vomit and
washed away quickly in the rain. We get a lot of rain here. It was
something like a litre of water, an onion, an entire garlic bulb (not
clove) and hot pepper, pureed and spread around after any solid waste has
been removed.

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Magic Mood Jeep© - 24 Mar 2006 15:35 GMT
> In the house closest to mine lives a couple and three dogs. Their
> yard is not fenced, so the dogs only get to go out with the people,
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> finding doggie-do in my yard, should I complain to the authorities,
> or what? I sure don't wanna make enemies of the folks next door!

If there is a leash law, then there is also the possibility that there is
also a bylaw that states that if the animal does get loose and poo-poo
(probably not worded as such in the bylaws) on someone else's property, the
owner of the pet(s) is responsible for cleaning it up as the property owner
has the right to enjoy their property without worrying about dog-poo (or
being attacked by other people's dogs).

If he continues 'walking' his dogs without leashes, remind him of the leash
law, and that his yelling is bothering your sleep (there is probably also a
noise ordinance, check into that too) - and if that doesn't help - by all
means, report him.

We've had problems with neighbor's dog(s) getting into our yard, but we've
never reported it as *they* have made the effort to confine the dogs to
*their* yard by plugging holes in *our* fence (old farm fencing that was on
our property line when we bought the place) where it touches their property.
Another neighbor's dog occasionally gets into our yard, but they are quick
to try and get him/her back.  I actually don't think it's our neighbor's
dog, I think it belongs to  a friend of his, and his friend brings him over
occasionally.  One time, the friend's teenage son's were traipsing around
our house trying to corral the pup - in the pouring rain!!!!  Pup, of
course, thought it was a fun game and led them on a merry chase throughout
the neighborhood.
PatM - 25 Mar 2006 03:19 GMT
Hey Pat,
It could well be that these neighbors are just careless and unthinking
rather than deliberate in their actions.  Does it look like the folks
that lived in your house before you cared about how the lawn looked?
Maybe they just never said anything about the dogs?  I agree a one on
one visit is best at this point...you guys have to live next doot to
each other.  Let us know what happens!
PatM
Pat - 25 Mar 2006 05:16 GMT
> It could well be that these neighbors are just careless and unthinking
> rather than deliberate in their actions.  Does it look like the folks
> that lived in your house before you cared about how the lawn looked?
> Maybe they just never said anything about the dogs?  I agree a one on
> one visit is best at this point...you guys have to live next doot to
> each other.  Let us know what happens!

They just moved in a few weeks before I did, they came from way out in the
country too. So they probably were not thinking about it until I mentioned
it.
Monique Y. Mudama - 25 Mar 2006 17:15 GMT
>> It could well be that these neighbors are just careless and
>> unthinking rather than deliberate in their actions.  Does it look
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> in the country too. So they probably were not thinking about it
> until I mentioned it.

It might be a case of owners who never "had" to obedience train the
dogs.  Now that they're in a more populated area, suddenly they are
embarrassed by the dogs' behavior and are trying desperately (via
yelling at them when on walks, etc) to make up for lost time and prove
to other people in the neighborhood that they're not just letting
their dogs run rampant.

It's a thought, anyway.

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Pat - 25 Mar 2006 17:25 GMT
> It might be a case of owners who never "had" to obedience train the
> dogs.  Now that they're in a more populated area, suddenly they are
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>
> It's a thought, anyway.

It's not so much they yell at them to discipline them but rather to keep
them from running off too far or into the street. There are three dogs and
they all go out at once with one human, who endeavors to keep track of all
three at the same time without using leashes. So one or more of them is
always getting too far away and must be called back.
Monique Y. Mudama - 25 Mar 2006 17:35 GMT
>> It might be a case of owners who never "had" to obedience train the
>> dogs.  Now that they're in a more populated area, suddenly they are
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> It's not so much they yell at them to discipline them but rather to
> keep them from running off too far or into the street.

That's also a part of training, though.  There are plenty of dogs
trained to heel without a leash or to stay within some distance
without a leash.

> There are three dogs and they all go out at once with one human, who
> endeavors to keep track of all three at the same time without using
> leashes.  So one or more of them is always getting too far away and
> must be called back.

Still, a well-trained dog doesn't need to be yelled at.  Training
needs to be constantly reinforced, but yelling isn't necessary
(especially if it's driving your neighbors nuts).

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polonca12000 - 25 Mar 2006 22:48 GMT
>>It could well be that these neighbors are just careless and unthinking
>>rather than deliberate in their actions.  Does it look like the folks
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> country too. So they probably were not thinking about it until I mentioned
> it.

I guess they never had to deal with this, but now that they live where
they have neighbours, I hope for your sake, Pat, and for the sake of the
other neighbours, that they somehow manage to train their dogs.
Purrs and best wishes,
Polonca and Soncek
Pamela  Shirk - 26 Mar 2006 01:20 GMT
> In the house closest to mine lives a couple and three dogs. Their yard is
> not fenced, so the dogs only get to go out with the people, and mostly
> only when they need to relieve themselves. I did not realize until the
> other night that they are letting their dogs poop in my yard. I realized
> it because I was out there and stepped in some, without seeing or feeling
> it, then tracked it through my house before I noticed it.

YUK!!  I read through this entire thread before deciding to answer it.  I
agree with those who say to try to talk to the persons first.  Maybe, since
you were both country folk before moving into town, you could approach them
with either a dinner invitation or a request for information about where
they think is the best place (sorry Mandy interruptions) to find something
you need.  Then you can ask about leash laws, in case they affect the cats,
and so forth.  Who knows you might become good neighbors with these people,
if not friends.  You may find out that they can help you as much as you can
help them.

Pam S. who has found some good friends using a smile and a casserole
Pat - 26 Mar 2006 03:11 GMT
"Pamela Shirk" <tanada@earthlink.net> wrote

> YUK!!  I read through this entire thread before deciding to answer it.  I
> agree with those who say to try to talk to the persons first.  Maybe,
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> with these people, if not friends.  You may find out that they can help
> you as much as you can help them.

Heh. I already tried that, well before the dog-poo incident. I wanted to be
friends with the neighbors and introduced myself on Day One when I needed to
use a phone while waiting for mine to come on. They were extremely nice to
me that day and I spent at least an hour chatting with them. Since the house
is for sale (by the same folks who owned the one I bought) I asked if they
had considered buying it. They said they were thinking about it.

Then a week or two later I went over with a question about mini-blinds. I
really just wanted some company. They woman came to the door, held it open
and stood there talking, without asking me in, so I figured she must be busy
or something and excused myself. As I went to leave, I asked "oh yeah did
you guys decide to buy the house?" And she replied, curtly, "That's *my*
business" and gave me a little strange dirty look. I didn't know what to
make of that, and haven't spoken to her since.

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