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Kreisleriana - 22 Mar 2006 20:12 GMT
New helicopters hovering overhead!!?? No wonder the poor thing was so
scared.  Gaaah, people are so STOOPID!!

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

March 22, 2006, 12:56 PM EST

A wily coyote led sharpshooters armed with tranquilizer guns on a wild
chase through Central Park before being captured Wednesday.

The coyote proved to be quite adept at avoiding capture, jumping into
the water, ducking under a bridge, and scampering through the grounds
of an ice skating rink after authorities thought they had the varmint
cornered Wednesday morning.

The coyote, a male believed to be about a year old, was caught near
Belvedere Castle, close to 79th Street and Central Park West, around
10 a.m. All the while, news helicopters hovering overhead tracked
every turn in the chase, and it was broadcast around the country.

Parks Commissioner Adrian Benepe said a NYPD police officer shot the
coyote with a tranquilizer gun at close range.

The hunt began Tuesday afternoon when Benepe, among others, spotted
the animal in the southeast corner of Central Park, not far from the
tony Upper East Side before he leaped over a fence and disappeared.

It's unclear when the coyote, nicknamed Hal by parks workers, first
arrived in the big city, but the first sightings of the animal came
early Sunday.

Hal is only the second coyote ever to be spotted in Central Park,
Benepe said, the last being seven years ago.

Interestingly, Benepe said both coyotes strayed into the same area,
the Hallett Wildlife Sanctuary.

"It's an area closed to people and dogs, so it's a good place for a
coyote to hunt for birds," he said.

While coyotes don't usually present a threat to people, Benepe had
warned that park visitors should keep their dogs leashed to protect
the pets.

Officials said one of their tranquilizers had managed to hit the
coyote Tuesday, but that it appeared to have no effect.

The coyote may have wandered into the city from Westchester County, or
perhaps swimming across the Hudson River from New Jersey, Benepe said.

Asked to speculate why a coyote would venture into Central Park,
Benepe said, "It's an immature young coyote ... at that age they're
frisky and curious to explore the turf." "It takes quite an
adventurous coyote," Benepe said. "You either have to swim or cross a
railroad trestle used by Metro-North and Amtrak that runs along the
Hudson under the George Washington Bridge and then goes through a very
wooded area." "They are very good swimmers," he added.

"He's recovering," said Benepe, who visited the coyote after his
capture. He said the animal would be taken to an upstate wildlife
facility "as soon as he is ready to be transferred." Coyote sightings
in urban areas are nothing new, but the critters rarely venture into
the concrete jungle of New York City.

The coyote that found its way to Central Park in 1999 is now kept in
the Queens Zoo.

"It's very unusual to have them in Manhattan," Benepe said.

"They have to be particularly adventurous." In Westchester County,
coyote sightings have increased rapidly since the 1970s.

In 1997, 15 sightings were noted, but many encounters are no longer
even reported -- unless they involve the loss of a pet. The animals
generally shy away from people and no attacks on humans have been
recorded, but several pet dogs have been snatched from back yards by
the predators.

Officials fear that as the coyotes settle into a suburban existence
they may lose some fear of people. The state and Cornell University
are planning a five-year study that will include attempts to trap and
tranquilize coyotes in four Westchester towns.

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Chakolate - 22 Mar 2006 22:16 GMT
> New helicopters hovering overhead!!?? No wonder the poor thing was so
> scared.  Gaaah, people are so STOOPID!!

This is so sad, and so stupid - that coyote has probably lived there for
his whole life.  People don't realize it, but there are more coyotes in
urban environments than ever before, and the population density per
square mile is *much* higher in urban areas than in open prairie.  

See:  http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/urbcoyot.htm   for more.

Chak

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Monique Y. Mudama - 22 Mar 2006 22:41 GMT
> I would like at least one political party in this country to be
> willing
> to say that sex is fun and an important part of being human.
>   --PZ Myers, http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/

Wow, interesting blog there.

And what a quote.  C'mon, who's going to stand up for sex when we
already ousted a general surgeon for daring to suggest that
masturbation constituted safe teen sex?

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CatNipped - 22 Mar 2006 23:14 GMT
>> I would like at least one political party in this country to be
>> willing
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> already ousted a general surgeon for daring to suggest that
> masturbation constituted safe teen sex?

I know!  When my children were teens and pre-teens I stressed to them that
masturbation was not only "OK", but the *PREFERRED* method of releasing
sexual tension (expecially in this age of AIDS) as opposed to high-risk
teen-aged sexual intercourse.

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Monique Y. Mudama - 22 Mar 2006 23:33 GMT
> I know!  When my children were teens and pre-teens I stressed to
> them that masturbation was not only "OK", but the *PREFERRED* method
> of releasing sexual tension (expecially in this age of AIDS) as
> opposed to high-risk teen-aged sexual intercourse.

Yeah.

I don't really understand the issue.  I guess it's that one line in
the Bible?

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Victor Martinez - 22 Mar 2006 23:34 GMT
> I don't really understand the issue.  I guess it's that one line in
> the Bible?

Well, you really *don't* want to look at the bible for sexual advise.
Otherwise I would have to go f*ck my brother's wife if he dies without
children. And adulterer women would have to be stoned. Not the men
though, it's ok for them to f*ck around. :)

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Monique Y. Mudama - 23 Mar 2006 00:01 GMT
>> I don't really understand the issue.  I guess it's that one line in
>> the Bible?
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> dies without children. And adulterer women would have to be stoned.
> Not the men though, it's ok for them to f*ck around. :)

*I* certainly don't ... but a lot of people do!  They seem to pick and
choose the parts they want, though.

The human mind is a fascinating place.

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Magic Mood Jeep© - 23 Mar 2006 00:21 GMT
>>> I don't really understand the issue.  I guess it's that one line in
>>> the Bible?
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> The human mind is a fascinating place.

Yes, and I believe it's called Selective Perception (see/hear/understand
only want you *want* to).
Kreisleriana - 24 Mar 2006 17:48 GMT
>> I don't really understand the issue.  I guess it's that one line in
>> the Bible?
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>children. And adulterer women would have to be stoned. Not the men
>though, it's ok for them to f*ck around. :)

Which one of your brother's wives?  After all, the Bible lets you guys
have more than one.

"Traditional family values" my @$$.

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Chakolate - 23 Mar 2006 06:24 GMT
> And what a quote.  C'mon, who's going to stand up for sex when we
> already ousted a general surgeon for daring to suggest that
> masturbation constituted safe teen sex?

That always seemed so funny to me - like the parents who get all bent out
of shape because their kids want to get birth control.  It's the ones who
*don't* want birth control that the parents should be worried about.  

Chak

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-L. - 23 Mar 2006 06:52 GMT
> > And what a quote.  C'mon, who's going to stand up for sex when we
> > already ousted a general surgeon for daring to suggest that
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Chak

They're all taking chastitiy vows and ending up in the ER with
chalymidia of the throat.  But hey, they're still virgin, right? ;)

-L.
Monique Y. Mudama - 23 Mar 2006 16:02 GMT
> They're all taking chastitiy vows and ending up in the ER with
> chalymidia of the throat.  But hey, they're still virgin, right? ;)

There are entire websites devoted to remaining a technical virgin by
virtue of using yet another orifice ... one that is much more prone to
rips and tears, and therefore much more likely to allow transmission
of diseases.  But hey, they're still virgins ...

Maybe it will result in a repeal of sodomy laws by a grass roots
effort from the young christian right.  Hey, a girl can dream =P

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meee - 24 Mar 2006 02:14 GMT
WTF??? Do some people have nothing to do, or what!!

>> They're all taking chastitiy vows and ending up in the ER with
>> chalymidia of the throat.  But hey, they're still virgin, right? ;)
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Maybe it will result in a repeal of sodomy laws by a grass roots
> effort from the young christian right.  Hey, a girl can dream =P
Victor Martinez - 24 Mar 2006 15:03 GMT
> Maybe it will result in a repeal of sodomy laws by a grass roots
> effort from the young christian right.  Hey, a girl can dream =P

All sodomy laws in the US were thrown out by the Supreme Court in
Lawrence vs Texas back in June 2003. :)

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Monique Y. Mudama - 24 Mar 2006 20:22 GMT
>> Maybe it will result in a repeal of sodomy laws by a grass roots
>> effort from the young christian right.  Hey, a girl can dream =P
>
> All sodomy laws in the US were thrown out by the Supreme Court in
> Lawrence vs Texas back in June 2003. :)

I thought there were still some strings attached to that.  I don't
remember though.

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Victor Martinez - 25 Mar 2006 00:11 GMT
> I thought there were still some strings attached to that.  I don't
> remember though.

Nope. By a 6-3 vote the Court affirmed the right to privacy extends to
what consenting adults do in their bedrooms. :)

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Monique Y. Mudama - 25 Mar 2006 00:16 GMT
>> I thought there were still some strings attached to that.  I don't
>> remember though.
>
> Nope. By a 6-3 vote the Court affirmed the right to privacy extends
> to what consenting adults do in their bedrooms. :)

What about in their living rooms, kitchens, and bathrooms? =P

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Monique Y. Mudama - 23 Mar 2006 16:00 GMT
> That always seemed so funny to me - like the parents who get all
> bent out of shape because their kids want to get birth control.
> It's the ones who *don't* want birth control that the parents should
> be worried about.  

I grew up with my mom telling me she'd get me on BC when I was 16.

She was terrified, for some reason, of becoming a grandmother while I
was a teen.  Well before I *was* a teen.

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Chakolate - 23 Mar 2006 22:50 GMT
>> That always seemed so funny to me - like the parents who get all
>> bent out of shape because their kids want to get birth control.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> She was terrified, for some reason, of becoming a grandmother while I
> was a teen.  Well before I *was* a teen.

According to the extreme Christian right, that should have made you sex-
crazy.  IYDMMA, did it?

Chak

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Monique Y. Mudama - 23 Mar 2006 22:58 GMT
>> I grew up with my mom telling me she'd get me on BC when I was 16.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> According to the extreme Christian right, that should have made you
> sex- crazy.  IYDMMA, did it?

I don't know what IYDMMA means, but I don't think it took anything my
mom said to make me sex crazy as a teen =P

Someone told me they'd read studies claiming that hormonal BC
permanently reduces your sex drive.  Now that's scary.  But I haven't
followed up on it.

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Chakolate - 24 Mar 2006 01:32 GMT
> I don't know what IYDMMA means, but I don't think it took anything my
> mom said to make me sex crazy as a teen =P

'If You Don't Mind My Asking'.

Chak

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 24 Mar 2006 00:52 GMT
> I grew up with my mom telling me she'd get me on BC when I was 16.
> She was terrified, for some reason, of becoming a grandmother while I
> was a teen.  Well before I *was* a teen.

Gee, I can't imagine why that would terrify her! :) Smart mom.

Joyce
Monique Y. Mudama - 24 Mar 2006 04:38 GMT
> > I grew up with my mom telling me she'd get me on BC when I was 16.
> > She was terrified, for some reason, of becoming a grandmother
> > while I was a teen.  Well before I *was* a teen.
>
> Gee, I can't imagine why that would terrify her! :) Smart mom.

No arguments there, but my mom was frightened to a degree that was a
bit ... disconcerting.

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badwilson - 24 Mar 2006 08:35 GMT
> > > I grew up with my mom telling me she'd get me on BC when I was 16.
> > > She was terrified, for some reason, of becoming a grandmother
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> No arguments there, but my mom was frightened to a degree that was a
> bit ... disconcerting.

LOL!  Must be German moms, my mom was the same way.  But I got no BC.  I was
just kept in all the time with way too strict curfew rules.  And threatened
to be disowned if I ever got pregnant as a teen.
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meee - 24 Mar 2006 09:12 GMT
>> > > I grew up with my mom telling me she'd get me on BC when I was 16.
>> > > She was terrified, for some reason, of becoming a grandmother
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> --
> Britta

Well, I wasn't allowed to got to anything, ever, and my mum's friends would
tell her whenever they saw me....and i still managed to get a teenage
pregnancy in (only just though)....my mum still teases me and hubby about it
:)
Lesley - 24 Mar 2006 16:26 GMT
.  And threatened
> to be disowned if I ever got pregnant as a teen.

My mum used to say that she didn't care if I got pregnant but I would
be the one who would have to tell my dad

End result: I was so paranoid it's a wonder I ever managed to have a
normal sex life. I used two methods of contraception at the same time
just in case!

Oh and neither of my parents has yet told me the facts of life and the
only way they could manage it now would involve a medium

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Adrian A - 24 Mar 2006 12:10 GMT
>>> I grew up with my mom telling me she'd get me on BC when I was 16.
>>> She was terrified, for some reason, of becoming a grandmother
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> No arguments there, but my mom was frightened to a degree that was a
> bit ... disconcerting.

It probably says a lot about what she thought of as a teenager, anyway
parents always worry, that's their job.
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Adrian A - 23 Mar 2006 10:51 GMT
>> I would like at least one political party in this country to be
>> willing
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> already ousted a general surgeon for daring to suggest that
> masturbation constituted safe teen sex?

I would have thought how safe it was depends on where you do it. ;o)
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 23 Mar 2006 04:18 GMT
>>New helicopters hovering overhead!!?? No wonder the poor thing was so
>>scared.  Gaaah, people are so STOOPID!!
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> urban environments than ever before, and the population density per
> square mile is *much* higher in urban areas than in open prairie.

I didn't think they EVER ventured that far east of the
Rockies!

> See:  http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/urbcoyot.htm   for more.
>
> Chak

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John F. Eldredge - 23 Mar 2006 05:16 GMT
>>>New helicopters hovering overhead!!?? No wonder the poor thing was so
>>>scared.  Gaaah, people are so STOOPID!!
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>I didn't think they EVER ventured that far east of the
>Rockies!

Coyotes were once a western/Great Plains phenomenon, but they have now
spread to the entire contiguous USA, and probably Alaska as well.  I
haven't heard of any in Hawaii.  They have proven to be pretty
adaptable at living among humans, much more so than have wolves, whose
niche they are now filling.  They also raid trash cans and eat the
occasional pet.

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Chakolate - 23 Mar 2006 06:23 GMT
> Coyotes were once a western/Great Plains phenomenon, but they have now
> spread to the entire contiguous USA, and probably Alaska as well.  I
> haven't heard of any in Hawaii.  They have proven to be pretty
> adaptable at living among humans, much more so than have wolves, whose
> niche they are now filling.  They also raid trash cans and eat the
> occasional pet.

I should think in NYC their main diet would be rats - they're slower and
easier to catch than cats or dogs.  More plentiful, too.  

About 10-15 years ago, resident Canada geese were becoming a nuisance,
overflowing the parks.  No one knows for sure, but I believe the resident
coyotes are to be credited with keeping the goose population under
control.  

Chak

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Bev A. - 23 Mar 2006 07:35 GMT
>> New helicopters hovering overhead!!?? No wonder the poor thing was so
>> scared.  Gaaah, people are so STOOPID!!
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>Chak

Have you ever been to NYC? There are "urban areas" and then there is
NYC (Chicago, Boston, etc).  There is no coyote population in Central
Park.

Anyway, it's not "sad" they rescued the lovely animal and he will have
a new home soonest.

-- Bev A.
Chakolate - 23 Mar 2006 07:48 GMT
> Have you ever been to NYC? There are "urban areas" and then there is
> NYC (Chicago, Boston, etc).  There is no coyote population in Central
> Park.

Did you look at the link I provided?  I'm in Chicago, and we have
coyotes.  I've seen one in our alley.  You may think there're no coyotes
in Central Park, but I wouldn't bet the farm on it.  

This is about coyotes in Queens:

http://www.jrn.columbia.edu/studentwork/bronxbeat/1999/april/april12/coyo
te.html

except I can't tell for sure when it was posted, it just says April, not
the year.  

Chak

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 23 Mar 2006 10:42 GMT
> Have you ever been to NYC? There are "urban areas" and then there is
> NYC (Chicago, Boston, etc).  There is no coyote population in Central
> Park.

I do not understand this statement at all. I can't parse it, can't
make sense of it. What are you trying to say here?

Joyce
Bev A. - 24 Mar 2006 07:06 GMT
> > Have you ever been to NYC? There are "urban areas" and then there is
> > NYC (Chicago, Boston, etc).  There is no coyote population in Central
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>Joyce

Just that some urban areas are close to forests, have dense woods
nearby, but the island of Manhattan is not comparable to those types
of urban areas. Central Park is smack-dab in the middle of the
"concrete jungle" not like say... Beaverton or Portland OR (where I
did spend some time living) where one finds displaced wildlife on a
regular basis.

The OP said it was "sad" and "stupid" that the coyote was removed from
the park, but IMO (and everyone has one of those) it was a successful
rescue operation. The beautiful coyote is safe and will be relocated
to an area more suitable to coyotes.

-- Bev A.
Kreisleriana - 24 Mar 2006 18:02 GMT
>> > Have you ever been to NYC? There are "urban areas" and then there is
>> > NYC (Chicago, Boston, etc).  There is no coyote population in Central
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
>-- Bev A.

What I said was I thought it was ridiculous that the whole procedure
had to be "enhanced" with news helicopters, that probably scared the
coyote out of his wits.  

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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 24 Mar 2006 19:11 GMT
> Just that some urban areas are close to forests, have dense woods
> nearby, but the island of Manhattan is not comparable to those types
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> rescue operation. The beautiful coyote is safe and will be relocated
> to an area more suitable to coyotes.

True!  Even though I'm sure Central Park has its share of
resident "wild life", most of it is more on the order of
birds and rodents (including squirrels and rabbits).
Although coyottes generally do not attack humans (as
panthers and cougars might), you really can't have wild
animals roaming free in an urban park where no one expects
them, and there are children to consider.

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Christina Websell - 24 Mar 2006 20:56 GMT
>> Just that some urban areas are close to forests, have dense woods
>> nearby, but the island of Manhattan is not comparable to those types
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> roaming free in an urban park where no one expects them, and there are
> children to consider.

Do coyotes attack children? Now that's scary.
There have been one or two occasions when foxes have tried to take small
babies outside in their carriers/prams in their gardens to get the sun here
in the UK.  Don't ask me to provide links now, but it is true.  You could
probably google it if you were interested.

Tweed
Kreisleriana - 24 Mar 2006 21:05 GMT
>>> Just that some urban areas are close to forests, have dense woods
>>> nearby, but the island of Manhattan is not comparable to those types
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
>Tweed

I think that encounters with dogs would be of more concern-- Central
Park is mecca for dog lovers, and they have a lot of clout in
Manhattan.  I think over time, trying to live in Central Park would be
a lot more stressful for the coyote than for anyone else.

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Howard C. Berkowitz - 26 Mar 2006 21:02 GMT
> I think that encounters with dogs would be of more concern-- Central
> Park is mecca for dog lovers, and they have a lot of clout in
> Manhattan.  I think over time, trying to live in Central Park would be
> a lot more stressful for the coyote than for anyone else.

Not specifically Central Park, but I was giving a seminar in the
financial district, and it was such a nice day that I bought a sandwich
and walked around munching it for lunch.

I turned onto one famous street, to see a "professional" dog walker who
had almost completely lost control of his pack of slavering toy
poodles, as he followed their run with a stumbling jog.

Yes, it is true. The Communists were right. With my own eyes, I saw the
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Pamela  Shirk - 26 Mar 2006 03:38 GMT
> Do coyotes attack children? Now that's scary.
> There have been one or two occasions when foxes have tried to take small
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Tweed

So far as I know, and I grew up in coyote country, coyotes don't attack
children, unless the coyote is rabid or something of the sort.  Kids are
more in danger from the dumped d*gs that people leave to fend for
themselves.  We've had two of them taken by animal control in our front
yard.  One of them was so terrified that he tried to bit the animal control
worker.  B*st*rd people anyway.

Pam S.
Christina Websell - 26 Mar 2006 15:29 GMT
>> Do coyotes attack children? Now that's scary.
>> There have been one or two occasions when foxes have tried to take small
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> yard.  One of them was so terrified that he tried to bit the animal
> control worker.

Dogs that have been lost/dumped find the experience very terrifying as they
don't cope well when they find themselves alone.
I have caught, in the past, two dumped dogs, both of which bit me when when
I eventually managed to catch hold of them as they had become too scared and
flighty to be caught in a normal way so they had to be grabbed.
One was an elderly mongrel terrier that had obviously been dumped from a car
and spent two weeks rushing up and down about a mile of road after every red
car she saw and one was a greyhound, he took me a week to catch.
The fact that they both bit me at the point of capture was no reflection on
their previous temperament.  As soon as they were on a lead they were
obviously relieved and were friendly - and very hungry.
They were both rehomed successfully.

> B*st*rd people anyway.

Absolutely.  There is no excuse for dumping a pet.

Tweed
William Hamblen - 26 Mar 2006 17:55 GMT
>Absolutely.  There is no excuse for dumping a pet.

See "The Good that Chickens Do." from the "Tokyo-Montana Express" by
Richard Brautigan.  A ton of chicken manure is dumped on the front
porch of someone who dumped a cat.
Christina Websell - 26 Mar 2006 18:12 GMT
>>Absolutely.  There is no excuse for dumping a pet.
>
> See "The Good that Chickens Do." from the "Tokyo-Montana Express" by
> Richard Brautigan.  A ton of chicken manure is dumped on the front
> porch of someone who dumped a cat.

Pity it wasn't a ton of cat poo.  Much nastier smelling.

Tweed
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 26 Mar 2006 20:07 GMT
> "William Hamblen" <wrhamblen@comcast.net> wrote in message

>>See "The Good that Chickens Do." from the "Tokyo-Montana Express" by
>>Richard Brautigan.  A ton of chicken manure is dumped on the front
>>porch of someone who dumped a cat.
>
> Pity it wasn't a ton of cat poo.  Much nastier smelling.

And less useful - guano makes excellent fertilizer.

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 26 Mar 2006 23:11 GMT
> See "The Good that Chickens Do." from the "Tokyo-Montana Express" by
> Richard Brautigan.  A ton of chicken manure is dumped on the front
> porch of someone who dumped a cat.

LOL! I haven't read anything of Richard Brautigan since the 70s. Didn't
realize he was still writing!

Joyce
William Hamblen - 26 Mar 2006 23:48 GMT
> > See "The Good that Chickens Do." from the "Tokyo-Montana Express" by
> > Richard Brautigan.  A ton of chicken manure is dumped on the front
> > porch of someone who dumped a cat.
>
>LOL! I haven't read anything of Richard Brautigan since the 70s. Didn't
>realize he was still writing!

He's been dead over 20 years.  Suicide, sadly enough.  "The
Tokyo-Montana Express" came out about 1980.  I misremembered the title
of the story.  It is "The Good Work of Chickens".
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 27 Mar 2006 02:41 GMT
> He's been dead over 20 years.  Suicide, sadly enough.

Now that you mention it, I think I might have heard that. Just forgot.
It's ironic, because his stories were so joyful. (Well, actually, I've
only read one book of his, "The Abortion", which despite the title, is
a very joyful book. I might have read some short stories of his, but
it's all a blur now.) It's sad when someone who seems to have a
lighthearted approach to life ends up committing suicide.

Joyce
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 27 Mar 2006 07:12 GMT
>  > He's been dead over 20 years.  Suicide, sadly enough.
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> it's all a blur now.) It's sad when someone who seems to have a
> lighthearted approach to life ends up committing suicide.

I think sometimes it's bi-polar (which I think is the modern
term for "manic-depressive").  Too often the light-hearted
side alternates with a severely depressed one when suicide
seems the only way out.  I was pretty moody as a teen, but
fortunately I was much too curious about the future to ever
seriously contemplate suicide.

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Pamela  Shirk - 27 Mar 2006 12:24 GMT
> > He's been dead over 20 years.  Suicide, sadly enough.
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> it's all a blur now.) It's sad when someone who seems to have a
> lighthearted approach to life ends up committing suicide.

Sometimes that lightheartedness is a way to hide the depression and angst
that one goes through.  It's a case of why should I foist my depression on
others.

Pam S. who would never tell funny stories, nope
Bev A. - 26 Mar 2006 18:20 GMT
>> Just that some urban areas are close to forests, have dense woods
>> nearby, but the island of Manhattan is not comparable to those types
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>animals roaming free in an urban park where no one expects
>them, and there are children to consider.

I have my doubts about coyotes attacking humans of any age -- unless
provoked somehow.

To me this was about the safety of the coyote... and I guess I just
don't understand why anyone would get upset about him being removed
from a place that was not safe for him.

-- Bev A.

Kreisleriana - 24 Mar 2006 17:46 GMT
>> New helicopters hovering overhead!!?? No wonder the poor thing was so
>> scared.  Gaaah, people are so STOOPID!!
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>urban environments than ever before, and the population density per
>square mile is *much* higher in urban areas than in open prairie.  

Central Park-- no, I don't think so.  And I am very aware of urban
wildlife, I see amazing things in my local park every day.  But I
don't think a top predator could have lived in Central Park for years
without being noticed.  He was pegged at only a year old.  He was
probably a suburban coyote.  He could easily have come down from
Westchester overnight.

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 24 Mar 2006 22:49 GMT
> He was pegged at only a year old.  He was
> probably a suburban coyote.  He could easily have come down from
> Westchester overnight.

Oh, those suburban kids, trying to walk on the wild side in the city!

Joyce
Kreisleriana - 25 Mar 2006 00:54 GMT
> > He was pegged at only a year old.  He was
> > probably a suburban coyote.  He could easily have come down from
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>Joyce

We usually just drop buckets of water on them. ;)

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Bev A. - 25 Mar 2006 06:57 GMT
Hi Theresa,

This was the "OP" (chakolate) I was referring to before -- my error, I
didn't realize it was you who'd made the first post on this.

But basically, I was trying to say the same thing, although you did so
far better than I did on my first attempt.

There's just no way a coyote could have been living in Central Park
unnoticed.

-- Bev A.

>>> New helicopters hovering overhead!!?? No wonder the poor thing was so
>>> scared.  Gaaah, people are so STOOPID!!
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
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dnr - 01 Apr 2006 09:38 GMT
This evening, I read online in AOL news that
this coyote has died. Unable to read further
details as I am not an AOL subscriber.
John F. Eldredge - 01 Apr 2006 20:47 GMT
>This evening, I read online in AOL news that
>this coyote has died. Unable to read further
>details as I am not an AOL subscriber.

From what I read on a local TV station's web site, the coyote died
while they were tagging him, in preparation for release.  They aren't
sure why he died, but it may have been from the stress of being held
in captivity.

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Kreisleriana - 02 Apr 2006 04:22 GMT
>>This evening, I read online in AOL news that
>>this coyote has died. Unable to read further
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>sure why he died, but it may have been from the stress of being held
>in captivity.

Saw this today-- "Hal" got an obituary in the New York Times.

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polonca12000 - 03 Apr 2006 22:03 GMT
>>>This evening, I read online in AOL news that
>>>this coyote has died. Unable to read further
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Make Levees, Not War

How very sad!
Purrs,
Polonca and Soncek
Yoj - 23 Mar 2006 08:17 GMT
> New helicopters hovering overhead!!?? No wonder the poor thing was so
> scared.  Gaaah, people are so STOOPID!!
[quoted text clipped - 82 lines]
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> My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com

I heard about that on the news.  I was pleasantly surprised to hear that
they only shot him with a tranquilizer gun.

Joy
dnr - 23 Mar 2006 10:56 GMT
> I heard about that on the news.  I was pleasantly surprised to hear that
> they only shot him with a tranquilizer gun.
> Joy

I am having trouble generating sympathy for a wild animal that
probably ate his weight in stray cats before anyone noticed
his presence......
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 23 Mar 2006 11:24 GMT
> I am having trouble generating sympathy for a wild animal that
> probably ate his weight in stray cats before anyone noticed
> his presence......

Well, it's not the coyote's fault. They're predators - that's what
they do.

Humans have spread all over the world and now we're living side by
side with wild animals. We've either moved into their territory, or
we've displaced them, and/or made their habitats unlivable, so they
end up in urban or suburban areas, like the elk that live in downtown
Banff. Also, sometimes animals that were hunted almost to extinction
make a comeback, except that the area they're coming back into has
been built up and settled by humans - and suddenly, we have some new
neighbors.

Joyce
Monique Y. Mudama - 23 Mar 2006 16:52 GMT
> > I am having trouble generating sympathy for a wild animal that
> > probably ate his weight in stray cats before anyone noticed his
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> into has been built up and settled by humans - and suddenly, we have
> some new neighbors.

I agree.  I save my anger for people who knowingly torture and kill
without making any use of the remains.

I doubt coyotes are quite evolved enough yet to check for a collar
before chowing down.

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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 23 Mar 2006 17:49 GMT
>  > I am having trouble generating sympathy for a wild animal that
>  > probably ate his weight in stray cats before anyone noticed
>  > his presence......
>
> Well, it's not the coyote's fault. They're predators - that's what
> they do.

Exactly!  I have no problem with that (although I'd
certainly be distressed if one of my cats fell prey to one).
   Some people feel the same way about the critters our
cats prey upon. (Mostly when the prey are birds, of course -
few people feel quite the same about the rodents they destroy.)

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dnr - 23 Mar 2006 17:53 GMT
> > I am having trouble generating sympathy for a wild animal that
> > probably ate his weight in stray cats before anyone noticed
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> neighbors.
> Joyce

Well, you're right, of course, Joyce....it's probably just that the FL
panther,
a good example of what you say, is a *cat* (spotted rarely in area I used
to live in) and the only coyote I ever saw (met, actually, on a deserted
trail in Yosemite) looked like a medium-sized *dog*, except for the
look in his eyes.
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 24 Mar 2006 01:08 GMT
> it's probably just that the FL panther,
> a good example of what you say, is a *cat* (spotted rarely in area I used
> to live in) and the only coyote I ever saw (met, actually, on a deserted
> trail in Yosemite) looked like a medium-sized *dog*, except for the
> look in his eyes.

I'm not sure what you're getting at. A coyote is a canine, so it could
certainly look like a dog. But I don't understand the relevance of that.

Joyce
dnr - 24 Mar 2006 01:52 GMT
> > it's probably just that the FL panther,
> > a good example of what you say, is a *cat* (spotted rarely in area I
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> certainly look like a dog. But I don't understand the relevance of that.
> Joyce
Yeah, too oblique a statement. I don't like and have never been able
to relate to canines The Spitz chasing me, at age 2, into the barbed-
wire fence might have something to do with that.....LOL.
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 24 Mar 2006 02:22 GMT
> Yeah, too oblique a statement. I don't like and have never been able
> to relate to canines The Spitz chasing me, at age 2, into the barbed-
> wire fence might have something to do with that.....LOL.

Oh, I see. You aren't fond of dogs, so it's harder to have sympathy
for a canine. OK, I'll buy that. :) That must have been a pretty
frightening (not to mention painful) experience for you at that age!

Joyce
Adrian A - 24 Mar 2006 12:00 GMT
>  > Yeah, too oblique a statement. I don't like and have never been
>  able > to relate to canines The Spitz chasing me, at age 2, into the
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Joyce

Funnily enough, that's the age I was when I was first scratched by a cat, I
was chasing Figaro round the garden, thinking it was a game, she got tired
of the game, stopped, turned round and scrathed me down both legs. It hurt
and they bled a lot, but I learned a valuable lesson and I still loved
afterwards. This picture was taken 15 years later, a few months before she
died.
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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 24 Mar 2006 13:28 GMT
> Funnily enough, that's the age I was when I was first scratched by a cat, I
> was chasing Figaro round the garden, thinking it was a game, she got tired
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> died.
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/419644006/1419692824075823146SifSmF

Sweet! And she lived a long life! Must've been all that exercise you
gave her. :)

Joyce
Adrian A - 24 Mar 2006 15:39 GMT
>  > Funnily enough, that's the age I was when I was first scratched by
>  a cat, I > was chasing Figaro round the garden, thinking it was a
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Joyce

She was almost 20 when she died, 4 years older than me. When I was very
small I thought everyone was supposed to live with a cat. ;-)
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 24 Mar 2006 19:13 GMT
> She was almost 20 when she died, 4 years older than me. When I was very
> small I thought everyone was supposed to live with a cat. ;-)

You mean they're NOT?????

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 24 Mar 2006 22:48 GMT
> She was almost 20 when she died, 4 years older than me. When I was very
> small I thought everyone was supposed to live with a cat. ;-)

Aren't they? :)

Joyce
Adrian A - 24 Mar 2006 23:00 GMT
>  > She was almost 20 when she died, 4 years older than me. When I was
>  very > small I thought everyone was supposed to live with a cat. ;-)
>
> Aren't they? :)
>
> Joyce

Apparently, some poor people are deprived of feline company. Sad isn't it?
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polonca12000 - 25 Mar 2006 22:22 GMT
>> > She was almost 20 when she died, 4 years older than me. When I was
>> very > small I thought everyone was supposed to live with a cat. ;-)

>>Aren't they? :)
>>
>>Joyce
>
>Adrian A wrote:
> Apparently, some poor people are deprived of feline company. Sad isn't it?

They don't know what they are missing.
Best wishes,
Polonca and Soncek
Bev A. - 25 Mar 2006 07:01 GMT
> > She was almost 20 when she died, 4 years older than me. When I was very
> > small I thought everyone was supposed to live with a cat. ;-)
>
>Aren't they? :)
>
>Joyce

Yes! At least one, if not more, as the rules have been explained to
me.

:-)

-- Bev A.
dnr - 24 Mar 2006 20:02 GMT
> > Funnily enough, that's the age I was when I was first scratched by a
> > cat, I
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> gave her. :)
> Joyce

Figaro was very pretty. She has that "I can deal with anything" feline
look: probably from living w/a teen male, no matter how much he loved her.
Kreisleriana - 24 Mar 2006 18:10 GMT
>>  > Yeah, too oblique a statement. I don't like and have never been
>>  able > to relate to canines The Spitz chasing me, at age 2, into the
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>died.
>http://community.webshots.com/photo/419644006/1419692824075823146SifSmF

Wow. My first cat scratch was at age 3, the first time I was jumped on
by a dog, at age 4.  The cat was a big brown tabby who regularly
visited my grandma, and sat in her garden.  I thought he was so
fascinating, with his tail, his whiskers, his stripes, and his
beautiful green eyes!  I was following him around the garden,
fascinated with his tail, and grabbed it.  He turned around
*incredibly* fast and scratched me.  I screamed like a banshee.  How
dare he!  If he didn't want me to play with it, why did he wave it
around like that? ;)

Of course, people have been using that same excuse for sexual
harassment for years.;)

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Monique Y. Mudama - 24 Mar 2006 20:24 GMT
> Wow. My first cat scratch was at age 3, the first time I was jumped
> on by a dog, at age 4.  The cat was a big brown tabby who regularly
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> dare he!  If he didn't want me to play with it, why did he wave it
> around like that? ;)

I seem to recall being covered in scratches as a child (older, though,
like 6 or 7) because I couldn't leave the cats at our neighbor's house
alone.  I guess I learned before I was blinded.

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Kreisleriana - 24 Mar 2006 21:03 GMT
>> Wow. My first cat scratch was at age 3, the first time I was jumped
>> on by a dog, at age 4.  The cat was a big brown tabby who regularly
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>like 6 or 7) because I couldn't leave the cats at our neighbor's house
>alone.  I guess I learned before I was blinded.

LOL.  You know the funny thing is, when I got masters of my own-- I
have never had a master who hated to have his/her tail touched.  All
my own cats have loved having their tails touched, even pulled a
little bit.  Stinky loves a gentle tug on his tail.  Mimi adored it.

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 24 Mar 2006 22:57 GMT
> my own cats have loved having their tails touched, even pulled a
> little bit.  Stinky loves a gentle tug on his tail.  Mimi adored it.

So do mine! A gentle tug on the tail usually means, "come back for more
pets" (which they do).

Joyce
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 24 Mar 2006 22:55 GMT
> My first cat scratch was at age 3...
> The cat was a big brown tabby who regularly
> visited my grandma, and sat in her garden.  I thought he was so
> fascinating, with his tail, his whiskers, his stripes, and his
> beautiful green eyes!  

That's how I felt as a child. Dogs were lovable and sweet, but cats
were *fascinating*. Cats were also adorable, but somewhat unattainable,
because unlike dogs, they didn't necessarily want my attentions and
would walk away from me when I tried to hug and kiss them. :) So
attention from a cat felt like quite an honor. In fact, I've never
outgrown that feeling.

> I was following him around the garden,
> fascinated with his tail, and grabbed it.  He turned around
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Of course, people have been using that same excuse for sexual
> harassment for years.;)

LOL!

Joyce
Chakolate - 25 Mar 2006 03:14 GMT
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net wrote in news:44246acc$0$58061
$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:

> That's how I felt as a child. Dogs were lovable and sweet, but cats
> were *fascinating*. Cats were also adorable, but somewhat unattainable,
> because unlike dogs, they didn't necessarily want my attentions and
> would walk away from me when I tried to hug and kiss them. :) So
> attention from a cat felt like quite an honor. In fact, I've never
> outgrown that feeling.

I often compare the autistic boy I take care of to a cat, and his sister
to a puppy.  She's quite happy to meet new people, and since she was a
small infant was always happy to be held by new people.  She never saw a
stranger, only people she didn't love yet.  Tristan, though, is much more
reserved, and when he loves you, man, you earned it.  

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Chakolate - 23 Mar 2006 22:47 GMT
>> I heard about that on the news.  I was pleasantly surprised to hear
>> that they only shot him with a tranquilizer gun.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> probably ate his weight in stray cats before anyone noticed
> his presence......

More likely ate ten times his weight in rats and mice.  Those and
garbage cans are the commonest sources of food for coyotes.  

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dnr - 23 Mar 2006 22:59 GMT
>> I am having trouble generating sympathy for a wild animal that
>> probably ate his weight in stray cats before anyone noticed
>> his presence......
> More likely ate ten times his weight in rats and mice.  Those and
> garbage cans are the commonest sources of food for coyotes.
> Chak

Coyotes just don't live where I came from (probably too d*** hot)
but raccoons get in garbage cans all the time....smart little critters.
I just assumed they are smarter than coyotes, but guess I was
wrong thinking that. I didn't know coyotes could get into garbage
cans. The one I met on Yosemite hiking trail eyed me for a minute
then hauled *** back the direction he'd come, while I ran back
to my companions screaming about the "wild dog" I'd seen, LOL.
sriddles@aol.com - 23 Mar 2006 23:55 GMT
> >> I am having trouble generating sympathy for a wild animal that
> >> probably ate his weight in stray cats before anyone noticed
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> then hauled *** back the direction he'd come, while I ran back
> to my companions screaming about the "wild dog" I'd seen, LOL.

They do look like dogs. Like a medium-sized, really scroungy dog with
big ears. I've only seen one in the daytime. We were in the back yard
and Happy (the dachshund) took off chasing it, with a pig ear in his
mouth I'd just given him. He's lucky the coyote ran instead of kicking
his butt and taking his pig ear away from him.

Sherry
dnr - 24 Mar 2006 01:54 GMT
>> >> I am having trouble generating sympathy for a wild animal that
>> >> probably ate his weight in stray cats before anyone noticed
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> his butt and taking his pig ear away from him.
> Sherry

ROFL!
treeline12345@yahoo.com - 24 Mar 2006 00:43 GMT
> More likely ate ten times his weight in rats and mice.  Those and
> garbage cans are the commonest sources of food for coyotes.
>
> Chak

In New York City the palates are refined from fine dining
establishments. There are literally hundreds of really good places to
eat and a dozen of the best on this side of the planet. It's a nice
life for those who are wealthy.

FYI, Mr. Coyote dined on duck in the park, at least his last supper
there.

The look in his eyes were quite soulful while reclining in the cage. He
was caught and he knew it. The carefree days of youth and abandon are
over now.

If they release him in a preserve up north, things may go well for him,
assuming the older coyotes don't hassle him as they probably did just
outside NYC.
dnr - 24 Mar 2006 02:06 GMT
>> More likely ate ten times his weight in rats and mice.  Those and
>> garbage cans are the commonest sources of food for coyotes.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> assuming the older coyotes don't hassle him as they probably did just
> outside NYC.

OMG - gourmet coyotes! Well, what did I expect?
Kreisleriana - 24 Mar 2006 17:50 GMT
>> New helicopters hovering overhead!!?? No wonder the poor thing was so
>> scared.  Gaaah, people are so STOOPID!!
[quoted text clipped - 87 lines]
>
>Joy

Oh, he's not our first.  Our first was Otis, who now lives in the
Queens Zoo.  I don't think we're that bad here in NY.  

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