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Yowie - 19 Mar 2006 22:16 GMT
Most delicious thing I've come across in a long time:

Slice haloumi cheese approx 5 mm thick (half a pencil width thick... I don't
have my metric to imperial convertor)), and pan fry in a light oil. Once its
golden brown on both sides, remove from pan and sprinkle with lime (or
lemon) juice, cracked pepper and sea salt to taste.

To *die* for, and so simple! Perfect with a glass of red.

Yowie
Debbie Wilson - 19 Mar 2006 22:35 GMT
> Most delicious thing I've come across in a long time:
>
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>
> To *die* for, and so simple! Perfect with a glass of red.

Oooh, lovely. Thanks for the idea Yowie :-)
Also very nice on vegetarian kebabs, BTW :-)

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Karen - 20 Mar 2006 03:59 GMT
> Most delicious thing I've come across in a long time:
>
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>
> Yowie

Never heard of that kind of cheese but it sure sounds good.
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 20 Mar 2006 04:14 GMT
> Most delicious thing I've come across in a long time:
>
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>
> Yowie

Okay.  Now what's "haloumi" cheese?
Matthew AKA NMR ( NO MORE RETAIL ) - 20 Mar 2006 05:04 GMT
it is a local cheese from the Greek isles if I am correct they have it with
all the meals
it is favored by the British and the Germans not usually by Americans due to
it can be salty plus not too many Americans like sheep's milk cheese due to
the flavor of rennent that is used in the process.  Usually turns Americans
stomachs when they find out what is in it.
it is a white cheese made with goat and sheep's milk the variety I had
before was grilled with mint added.  It went great on the tomatoes
sandwiches that the tour guide served us at a person's home who made the
cheese

I remember it when we spent some time over there it was near Easter.  Some
interesting dish can be served  it is really good with grilled cheese
sandwiches when you add chives and chopped mint to it.

Help me out Yowie here I had a sweet pastry called flauno or flaouna
something like that  very distinct sweet flavor

My DW and kids about lost it when they found out what was in it

>> Most delicious thing I've come across in a long time:
>>
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>
> Okay.  Now what's "haloumi" cheese?
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 20 Mar 2006 21:24 GMT
> it is a local cheese from the Greek isles if I am correct they have it with
> all the meals
> it is favored by the British and the Germans not usually by Americans due to
> it can be salty plus not too many Americans like sheep's milk cheese due to
> the flavor of rennent that is used in the process.  Usually turns Americans
> stomachs when they find out what is in it.

Not MINE - I LIKE strong cheese!  (Trader Joe's has a
goat-milk Gouda from time to time that's wonderful.)
Thanks.  I'll check TJ's next time I go there - they carry a
lot of imported cheeses (at far less than you'd pay in
"specialty" markets in the U.S.).
Monique Y. Mudama - 20 Mar 2006 23:05 GMT
> Not MINE - I LIKE strong cheese!  (Trader Joe's has a goat-milk
> Gouda from time to time that's wonderful.) Thanks.  I'll check TJ's
> next time I go there - they carry a lot of imported cheeses (at far
> less than you'd pay in "specialty" markets in the U.S.).

I will never understand why there's no Trader Joe's in Boulder.  It
seems like the perfect demographic.

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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 21 Mar 2006 03:18 GMT
>>Not MINE - I LIKE strong cheese!  (Trader Joe's has a goat-milk
>>Gouda from time to time that's wonderful.) Thanks.  I'll check TJ's
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> I will never understand why there's no Trader Joe's in Boulder.  It
> seems like the perfect demographic.

Why don't you write to them?  They seem to always be opening
new ones.  Their web address is  www.traderjoes.com
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 21 Mar 2006 04:24 GMT
>> I will never understand why there's no Trader Joe's in Boulder.  It
>> seems like the perfect demographic.

> Why don't you write to them?  They seem to always be opening
> new ones.  Their web address is  www.traderjoes.com

I was just in Trader Joe's about an hour ago, and in the checkout line
I saw a brochure that listed all the states that have TJ's in them.
Never mind Boulder - Colorado wasn't even mentioned. (But if I were
going to open a Trader Joe's in Colorado, Boulder would definitely be
where I'd start!)

Joyce
Monique Y. Mudama - 21 Mar 2006 04:43 GMT
> I was just in Trader Joe's about an hour ago, and in the checkout
> line I saw a brochure that listed all the states that have TJ's in
> them.  Never mind Boulder - Colorado wasn't even mentioned. (But if
> I were going to open a Trader Joe's in Colorado, Boulder would
> definitely be where I'd start!)

Yup.  No TJ's in all of Colorado.  But it's particularly odd that
there's none in Boulder.

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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 21 Mar 2006 17:59 GMT
>>I was just in Trader Joe's about an hour ago, and in the checkout
>>line I saw a brochure that listed all the states that have TJ's in
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> Yup.  No TJ's in all of Colorado.  But it's particularly odd that
> there's none in Boulder.

So start an e-mail campaign!  Seriously - if they are
assured of a customer base, they might consider it.  I can
understand why they might consider lines-of-supply before
opening stores in the midwest (where they have none at
present), but Colorado is not all that far from Nevada and
Arizona, where they DO have stores.
dnr - 22 Mar 2006 04:56 GMT
>>>I was just in Trader Joe's about an hour ago, and in the checkout
>>>line I saw a brochure that listed all the states that have TJ's in
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> have none at present), but Colorado is not all that far from Nevada and
> Arizona, where they DO have stores.

I'm not about to figure out why this outfit doesn't market
in CO....but I will point out that the whole state's population
total is much lower than my hometown city (over 3 million).
Not everyone enjoys freezing their *** off...I've spent 2
winters here now and it's no mystery @ all to me as to the
(LOL) "uncrowded" state.
BUT: hoping to be of some help if Monique would wanna
hunt down this exotic cheese.....in a section (northern end
of town) of Denver called Highlands, on a N/S busy main
drag over there called Lowell, there is a small cheese shop
I've been in a few times w/relatives and I never saw so many
exotic foreign cheeses in my life as there were in there. I am
positive if you gave the friendly counterhelp in there the name
of what you seek, they would do their best to either find it
in there or get it through their sources (they only sell cheese
and maybe imported wines, I didn't notice as I don't drink).
Just ask around neighborhood of Lowell and lower 30's
blocks - lotsa shops and boutiques there. Natives just
call it "the cheese shop". A long drive from Longmont
but at least it's not in Highlands Ranch or Littleton.
Monique Y. Mudama - 22 Mar 2006 06:15 GMT
> I'm not about to figure out why this outfit doesn't market
> in CO....but I will point out that the whole state's population
> total is much lower than my hometown city (over 3 million).
> Not everyone enjoys freezing their *** off...I've spent 2
> winters here now and it's no mystery @ all to me as to the
> (LOL) "uncrowded" state.

*snicker* You have got to be kidding!

I grew up in northern Virginia, and I always thought Colorado was "way
too cold" -- until I actually spent some time here!

I can see why it's uncrowded, because most of Colorado is rural farm
land ... just like Kansas.  But the front range, man ...

Nah, nevermind.  You're right!  It sucks!  Everyone stay away!

> BUT: hoping to be of some help if Monique would wanna
> hunt down this exotic cheese.....

Nah, I was specifically looking for Trader Joe's.  If I want to find
gourmet food, Boulder has plenty of offerings.  It's just odd that
there isn't one here; it seems like the right demographic.

> call it "the cheese shop". A long drive from Longmont
> but at least it's not in Highlands Ranch or Littleton.

Friends of mine from Virginia just moved to Littleton, so I'll be
there more often than I'd normally be.  (I'm sure since I moved here
several years ago, I've been to Denver maybe 10 times, including trips
to the airport.)

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dnr - 22 Mar 2006 23:57 GMT
> Not everyone enjoys freezing their *** off...I've spent 2
> winters here now and it's no mystery @ all to me as to the
> (LOL) "uncrowded" state.

I consider your irony justified, as you are young and have
no clue as to where I'm coming from....
1. I was born and raised in south FL and have only
moved one other time out of state...to San Jose area, CA
(where it rains all winter)...I'm too old to enjoy all the fun
of the winter sports you do (I am a *great* water-skier, and
foolishly believed till trying to ski downhill that I would have
a slight advantage from that fact: ROFL...no way). Imagine if
you had only seen what goes on here in winter *on tv* or
*movies*, LOL. That's me.
2. People of any advanced age (not you, chickadee) who
ever smoked in their entire life, never mind if they never did,
simply *can't breathe* here - my DIL's parents frequently
have to visit the nearby ER for breathing treatments (IPPB)
when they visit here (my age). Their dead bodies (expression)
would wanna move here in spite of the adorable grandbaby
their daughter produced.....she is the ONLY reason I will
stay here till doomsday, or, pardon me, till hell freezes over..
3. And hoping this explains my bad 'tude toward CO weather
- I don't mind and have actually got acclimated to the extreme
cold; it's the snow/ice messes I'm not used to dealing with and
hate - I close with one of NMR's items on his recent list:" they
go to the lake because they think it's like going to the beach..."
I miss the beaches and the Atlantic.
Trader Joe's sounds like a fun store. Yes, Boulder has a
lot of fun stores, unlike here.
Matthew AKA NMR ( NO MORE RETAIL ) - 23 Mar 2006 00:02 GMT
>> Not everyone enjoys freezing their *** off...I've spent 2
>> winters here now and it's no mystery @ all to me as to the
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> hate - I close with one of NMR's items on his recent list:" they
> go to the lake because they think it's like going to the beach..."

?????????????????????????????????????????????????????

> I miss the beaches and the Atlantic.
> Trader Joe's sounds like a fun store. Yes, Boulder has a
> lot of fun stores, unlike here.
dnr - 23 Mar 2006 00:38 GMT
>> 3. And hoping this explains my bad 'tude toward CO weather
>> - I don't mind and have actually got acclimated to the extreme
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????

I think, Matt, that it was that Texas thing you posted to 'Nipped;
I don't remember the # of that item but it struck me way funny
as that's the way it is here where much of the population has
never in their life seen or been at a real beach...#11 maybe?
Anyway, the funniest lake "beach" I *ever* went to was
over in the East Bay, CA area, somewhere near Livermore:
on this lake (boating was nice, big lake) they had large pebbles
for a "beach", LOL, and I could not believe the natives were
all sprawled out on the rocks, literally, "catching rays" just
like one would do on the soft white sand where I came from
originally. That item fits like a glove IMHO, as there are
many lakes here but from what I see they mainly boat and
fish, not sunbathe, LOL.
Matthew AKA NMR ( NO MORE RETAIL ) - 23 Mar 2006 00:48 GMT
Sorry old age is getting to me they way you described it it was something
that I had said personally.  Sorry old fart moment

it is like what they say about Florida  Home of the newly wed and the nearly
dead but what the heck do we do with the tourist

>>> 3. And hoping this explains my bad 'tude toward CO weather
>>> - I don't mind and have actually got acclimated to the extreme
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> many lakes here but from what I see they mainly boat and
> fish, not sunbathe, LOL.
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 23 Mar 2006 00:54 GMT
> Anyway, the funniest lake "beach" I *ever* went to was
> over in the East Bay, CA area, somewhere near Livermore:
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> like one would do on the soft white sand where I came from
> originally.

LOL - ocean beaches are the same way (along the coast, that is).
Some of the beaches here have sand, but it's kind of a pebbly, dark
sand, not a nice, clean, soft sand like you have on East Coast
beaches. That's one thing I really miss about New England. On the
other hand, there's no real reason to go to the beach in this area,
because it's usually cold and foggy at the coast, even if it's 90
(32) degrees out and blazingly sunny inland. That's a sorry lesson
I learned the first year I lived here!

I've lived in this area (SF Bay area) for 14 years and I've never
been to a lake! Oh, wait, I went to Tahoe once. :) But never to a
small, local lake. I didn't even know there were any!

Joyce
Jo Firey - 23 Mar 2006 01:46 GMT
> > Anyway, the funniest lake "beach" I *ever* went to was
> > over in the East Bay, CA area, somewhere near Livermore:
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> been to a lake! Oh, wait, I went to Tahoe once. :) But never to a
> small, local lake. I didn't even know there were any!

I think I've been to the one mentioned near Livermore.  They do a lot of
windsurfing there.  A strong prevailing wind because of the location.  It's
fun to watch.

Jo
dnr - 23 Mar 2006 03:41 GMT
> I've lived in this area (SF Bay area) for 14 years and I've never
> been to a lake! Oh, wait, I went to Tahoe once. :) But never to a
> small, local lake. I didn't even know there were any!
> Joyce
In my fuzzy opinion, Tahoe is a helluva lot more fun than my afore-
mentioned lake visit with a group from PWP (Parents w/o Partners):
at picnic time, none of them had slightest idea how to cook over a
campfire except yours truly, who sweated out picnic burgers/taters/
hotdogs feeding 14 kids & 'rents! And they weren't lying; when I
trekked back from lake they had cremated a bunch of meat already.
I loved Tahoe and that kinky little town on route to it...Placerville?
Suz - 24 Mar 2006 13:35 GMT
>  > Anyway, the funniest lake "beach" I *ever* went to was
>  > over in the East Bay, CA area, somewhere near Livermore:
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> Joyce

I'm the opposite, grew up in Mich (now live in Mass.), saw tons of
lakes including a couple of "great" ones. I didn't see the ocean until
we went to Florida on vacation. Visited Calif. in '76 so I've also seen
the Pacific.
Suz&Spicey
Monique Y. Mudama - 23 Mar 2006 00:56 GMT
> I think, Matt, that it was that Texas thing you posted to 'Nipped; I
> don't remember the # of that item but it struck me way funny as
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> are many lakes here but from what I see they mainly boat and fish,
> not sunbathe, LOL.

The "sand" here is awful!  And I have to agree, the only way you could
think a lake is anything like the ocean is to never have seen the
ocean ...

You're reminding me that I really should take the time to visit my
parents this summer and enjoy the beach life for a few days.

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Jo Firey - 23 Mar 2006 01:45 GMT
>>> 3. And hoping this explains my bad 'tude toward CO weather
>>> - I don't mind and have actually got acclimated to the extreme
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> many lakes here but from what I see they mainly boat and
> fish, not sunbathe, LOL.

I grew up on east coast.  And we've now lived near the west coast for 35
years.  Once in a while I'll start getting homesick for the beach.  Charlie,
sweet man that he is will offer to take me to the coast.  He really does not
understand just how different the Atlantic and Pacific coasts are.  He did
sort of get the idea when he took the boys snorkeling in the keys.  The
difference in the water temperature alone is amazing.

There are times I'm just dying for a walk on the beach.  There are a few
places on the west coast that are sort of a substitute as long as you don't
mind cold feet.  But it just isn't the same.

For anyone who loves the ocean, lakes seem slimy.

Jo
Matthew AKA NMR ( NO MORE RETAIL ) - 23 Mar 2006 01:55 GMT
You can keep the water if I can't see the bottom I want nothing to do with
it  I Blame Peter Benchley for my problem

Bathing no problems, Cruises no problem, fishing no problem, boating no
problem, scuba diving and snorkling no problem as long as the water is clear
any other time you can keep it  I can see in it you can have it

>>>> 3. And hoping this explains my bad 'tude toward CO weather
>>>> - I don't mind and have actually got acclimated to the extreme
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
>
> Jo
dnr - 23 Mar 2006 02:31 GMT
>>> I think, Matt, that it was that Texas thing you posted to 'Nipped;
>>> I don't remember the # of that item but it struck me way funny
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>> don't mind cold feet.  But it just isn't the same.
>> For anyone who loves the ocean, lakes seem slimy.
Jo

Heh. Moved to San Jose area 10/81. Drove to coast through Los Gatos
(the Cats) -charming town - took then 10-year-old son to beach with
cliffs (sorry, can't remember name) and *brown* sand w/huge grains;
not to mention big black rocks at water's edge! Taking this in, a strange
man warned us that the week before, some woman walking her 3 dobermans
was swept out to sea with all 3 dogs and they only found 1 drowned dobie.
As if this wasn't enough shock for the CA newbies, we turned a "corner"
around a huge cliff that had a big cave inside it.....and found a big bunch
of totally naked folks picnicing (son said, "Mom, those people don't have
any clothes on at *all*!"). They were all having a good time, talking
French.
We hauled a** then, back to our relatives' house, who informed us, LOL,
"Oh, the Pacific isn't like the Atlantic at *all*....it's big, bad, and
mean!"
Maybe Joy or Joyce knows what beach this was...I thought it started
with an "R" but can't find it on any maps I looked up.
And BTW, my bro the Gov't lawyer lives in Springfield, VA and
though I never visited them any month past Oct., they've described
the local winters in great detail. Yuck. And it isn't even pretty, like
here.
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 23 Mar 2006 04:22 GMT
> As if this wasn't enough shock for the CA newbies, we turned a "corner"
> around a huge cliff that had a big cave inside it.....and found a big bunch
> of totally naked folks picnicing (son said, "Mom, those people don't have
> any clothes on at *all*!"). They were all having a good time, talking
> French.

> Maybe Joy or Joyce knows what beach this was...I thought it started
> with an "R" but can't find it on any maps I looked up.

Could you mean San Gregorio beach? That doesn't start with an R, but it
does have two R's in it. :) I think that beach does have a cave after
you turn a corner, away from the entrance from the parking lot. I remember
going inside that cave, and suddenly feeling creeped out thinking about
earthquakes and getting trapped in there. It's kind of cool, though.

WRT nude swimming - there's a beach located a little north of San
Francisco called Muir Beach (named after John Muir, the naturalist).
Way, way, down at the far end of that beach, over some rocks that
require some effort from non-sure-footed persons like myself, there
is a stretch of beach that's commonly accepted as a nude bathing area.
I was at that beach once back in 1992, and the water that day was
unusually warm (probably from El Nino). It was also sunny and hot,
another rarity.

So I traipsed down to the nude beach area with a few folks, and with
very little coaxing (OK, none :)), I removed all garments and went
straight into the water. It was wonderful! I stayed in for about an
hour (unheard of most of the time - I would've gotten hypothermia doing
that on most days).

I remember seeing (from the water), an older couple who were fully
dressed - I don't mean in bathing suits, I mean in street clothes -
and, having braved the long walk in the sand and over the rocks, were
standing there, taking it all in. They looked like Mr and Mrs Tourist
from the Midwest, and the look of shock on their faces was priceless.

So there you have it from the other perspective. :)

Joyce
Monique Y. Mudama - 23 Mar 2006 05:03 GMT
> So I traipsed down to the nude beach area with a few folks, and with
> very little coaxing (OK, none :)), I removed all garments and went
> straight into the water. It was wonderful! I stayed in for about an
> hour (unheard of most of the time - I would've gotten hypothermia
> doing that on most days).

I've swum topless, never fully nude, but it was definitely a different
experience actually getting to feel the water on so much more of your
skin.

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Adrian A - 23 Mar 2006 11:21 GMT
>> So I traipsed down to the nude beach area with a few folks, and with
>> very little coaxing (OK, none :)), I removed all garments and went
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> experience actually getting to feel the water on so much more of your
> skin.

Some time ago, when my mother was in her early 40s, we were walking along
the beach at Cromer, Norfolk with her then boyfriend. He said, "I wonder why
you see topless women on continental beaches but not in England". My mother
immediately took her top off, I've never seen a man turn more red. ;-)
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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 23 Mar 2006 11:26 GMT
> Some time ago, when my mother was in her early 40s, we were walking along
> the beach at Cromer, Norfolk with her then boyfriend. He said, "I wonder why
> you see topless women on continental beaches but not in England". My mother
> immediately took her top off, I've never seen a man turn more red. ;-)

Do you mean her boyfriend, or were you looking in the mirror? :)

I think I'd turn pretty red if my mother and I were on a beach and she
suddenly decided to go topless. I don't have anything against nudity,
but there are some things you just don't want to share with your mother!

Joyce
Adrian A - 23 Mar 2006 11:45 GMT
>  > Some time ago, when my mother was in her early 40s, we were
>  walking along > the beach at Cromer, Norfolk with her then
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Do you mean her boyfriend, or were you looking in the mirror? :)

Not me, her boyfriend, I'm used to my mother's strange ways.
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Monique Y. Mudama - 23 Mar 2006 15:59 GMT
> I think I'd turn pretty red if my mother and I were on a beach and
> she suddenly decided to go topless. I don't have anything against
> nudity, but there are some things you just don't want to share with
> your mother!

Eh, it's cultural.  My mom's German, and nudity was never something to
worry about.  My mom was constantly telling me that covering body
parts is just a social thing.  "If noses were taboo, you would cover
your nose, and you wouldn't think anything of it."  That led me to
wondering why some body parts were typically covered and others not --
after all, your nose also produces gross stuff!

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 24 Mar 2006 01:17 GMT
> Eh, it's cultural.  My mom's German, and nudity was never something to
> worry about.

That is certainly true. My family was always fairly modest, so I learned
to cover up when around them. In other situations I don't feel at all
uncomfortable with my body or with other people's, no matter what they
look like. Looks aren't the issue to me - it's more about the dynamics
between me and the other person. For example, I'd feel awkward being naked
in front of a co-worker, which has come up in jobs where there's a fitness
center with a shower and locker room. But with friends, or among strangers
where it's not an issue, I feel fine about it. I tend to take my cue about
body modesty from whomever I'm with.

> That led me to
> wondering why some body parts were typically covered and others not --
> after all, your nose also produces gross stuff!

LOL! :)

Joyce
meee - 24 Mar 2006 02:26 GMT
>> I think I'd turn pretty red if my mother and I were on a beach and
>> she suddenly decided to go topless. I don't have anything against
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> wondering why some body parts were typically covered and others not --
> after all, your nose also produces gross stuff!

aah I was wondering where my grandma got it from...she's australian german,
and while she doesn't run around in the nudder, she favours sarongs more
than most ladies her age....
badwilson - 24 Mar 2006 06:05 GMT
>  > Some time ago, when my mother was in her early 40s, we were walking along
>  > the beach at Cromer, Norfolk with her then boyfriend. He said, "I wonder why
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> suddenly decided to go topless. I don't have anything against nudity,
> but there are some things you just don't want to share with your mother!

Tell me about it!!!  When I was 22, my mom was visiting me at my place where
I was living.  I was renting a room in this guys house for free in exchange
for renovating his kitchen.  Anyway, I was heading out and had to change.
My mom wasn't leaving the room and I didn't want to go all the way down the
hall to the bathroom, so I decided I was going to have to get changed in
front of her.  I took off my shirt and my mom poked my boob and said "Ohhh,
those are so beautiful, I'm so proud of myself for creating them!"
I was so embarrassed.
--
Britta
meee - 24 Mar 2006 06:19 GMT
>>  > Some time ago, when my mother was in her early 40s, we were walking
> along
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> --
> Britta

Lol!!! Geez, mum!!!
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 24 Mar 2006 10:51 GMT
> so I decided I was going to have to get changed in front of her.
> I took off my shirt and my mom poked my boob and said "Ohhh,
> those are so beautiful, I'm so proud of myself for creating them!"
> I was so embarrassed.

EEEK!! I'll bet! I'm cringing just reading this. Does she have a few
problems with personal boundaries, perhaps? :)

Joyce
badwilson - 25 Mar 2006 04:33 GMT
>  > so I decided I was going to have to get changed in front of her.
>  > I took off my shirt and my mom poked my boob and said "Ohhh,
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> EEEK!! I'll bet! I'm cringing just reading this. Does she have a few
> problems with personal boundaries, perhaps? :)

I think she just thinks she's really witty.
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Matthew AKA NMR ( NO MORE RETAIL ) - 23 Mar 2006 13:20 GMT
Sounds like something my DW would do if my mother did this I think she would
blind someone :-)

>>> So I traipsed down to the nude beach area with a few folks, and with
>>> very little coaxing (OK, none :)), I removed all garments and went
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> mother
> immediately took her top off, I've never seen a man turn more red. ;-)
Adrian A - 23 Mar 2006 15:52 GMT
> Sounds like something my DW would do if my mother did this I think
> she would blind someone :-)

When she did it she was several years younger than I am now, I don't think
she do it now she's in her seventies. ;-)
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Marina - 23 Mar 2006 05:42 GMT
> So I traipsed down to the nude beach area with a few folks, and with
> very little coaxing (OK, none :)), I removed all garments and went
> straight into the water. It was wonderful! I stayed in for about an
> hour (unheard of most of the time - I would've gotten hypothermia doing
> that on most days).

One of the best things about staying on the island in summer is taking
my early-morning nude dip in the sea. If you've never swum nekkid, you
don't know what you're missing!

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annoyed@net.spammers - 25 Mar 2006 03:14 GMT
>> So I traipsed down to the nude beach area with a few folks, and with
>> very little coaxing (OK, none :)), I removed all garments and went
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>my early-morning nude dip in the sea. If you've never swum nekkid, you
>don't know what you're missing!

Not in this lifetime with _this_ pudgy body!  Hell, I just had my first real
Finn sauna up in Thunder Bay a couple weeks back. I wholeheartedly endorse
Kangas Sauna there :)
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Monique Y. Mudama - 25 Mar 2006 03:37 GMT
>>One of the best things about staying on the island in summer is
>>taking my early-morning nude dip in the sea. If you've never swum
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> first real Finn sauna up in Thunder Bay a couple weeks back. I
> wholeheartedly endorse Kangas Sauna there :)

Bah!  It's about enjoying the feeling of your body, not feeling
ashamed of it!

If people don't want to see you naked, they don't have to look!

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Marina - 25 Mar 2006 05:52 GMT
>>One of the best things about staying on the island in summer is taking
>>my early-morning nude dip in the sea. If you've never swum nekkid, you
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Finn sauna up in Thunder Bay a couple weeks back. I wholeheartedly endorse
> Kangas Sauna there :)

I usually get up before anyone else, so I don't have an audience. ;o)
Except the cats of course. Frank and Nikki would always follow me to the
jetty and sit there and stare at me like I was crazy, and when I got
back out of the water they would greet me with relief. 'Oh, you didn't
drown today, either.' This may have had something to do with the fact
that they always got their breakfast after my morning dip.

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dnr - 25 Mar 2006 06:36 GMT
>>>One of the best things about staying on the island in summer is taking my
>>>early-morning nude dip in the sea. If you've never swum nekkid, you don't
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> always got their breakfast after my morning dip.
> Marina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki.

There is no doubt in my mind that Frank and Nikki are looking down from
the RB even though you no longer give them their breakfast to make sure
their Mama comes back out of the water every time she goes in.
Wayne Mitchell - 26 Mar 2006 03:09 GMT
>Frank and Nikki would always follow me to the
>jetty and sit there and stare at me like I was crazy, and when I got
>back out of the water they would greet me with relief. 'Oh, you didn't
>drown today, either.' This may have had something to do with the fact
>that they always got their breakfast after my morning dip.

Indeed, it was most unwise and inconsiderate of you to take such
a risk.  Had you drowned, breakfast would surely have been
delayed and the owners would have had cause for complaint.

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 26 Mar 2006 00:31 GMT
> >> So I traipsed down to the nude beach area with a few folks, and with
> >> very little coaxing (OK, none :)), I removed all garments and went
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> >my early-morning nude dip in the sea. If you've never swum nekkid, you
> >don't know what you're missing!

> Not in this lifetime with _this_ pudgy body!  Hell, I just had my first real
> Finn sauna up in Thunder Bay a couple weeks back. I wholeheartedly endorse
> Kangas Sauna there :)

But a pudgy body is so well-adapted to swimming in cold water! :)

Back to that day when I went skinny dipping in the Pacific, I remember
treading water for at least an hour, and at one point, watching two very
skinny young women trying to enter the water and screeching from the cold.
I was glad that I had some padding to make it a pleasant experience. :)

Joyce
dnr - 23 Mar 2006 05:59 GMT
> > Maybe Joy or Joyce knows what beach this was...I thought it started
> > with an "R" but can't find it on any maps I looked up.
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> So there you have it from the other perspective. :)
> Joyce

I guess it *was* San Gregorio..knew it was "San" something; almost
everything around there is "San" whatever. The Spanish name I liked
most there was Alameda de las Pulgas - Street of the fleas! - fondly
spoken of as "the Alameda" by the residents. There can't be too
many beaches w/a cliff containing ankle-deep (tide was out) water-
filled cave....we used to go up to Talmalpais and at a certain place
watch those guys wearing wings (I kid you *not*, thee unbelievers!)
jump off a spot there making a perfect landing way down on some
beach - maybe Muir, I dunno. We thought they were nuts, but all
the ones we saw landed ok. Never taking in that beach, I had no
idea it was a nude one. Yeah, we thought the cliff cave was creepy,
too, but for a different reason....after that guy with his doberman
story, I was afraid the ocean would rush in unexpectedly and trap
us inside the largeish cave! A close friend and coworker once took
me to the ruins in S.F. of the old bathhouses near Cliff House; we
both thought it was a total shame they weren't preserved and are
now just stone remnants near the beach.
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 23 Mar 2006 06:30 GMT
> The Spanish name I liked
> most there was Alameda de las Pulgas - Street of the fleas!

I was told that, in the days when California was still Mexico, Alameda
de las Pulgas was created as a companion road to El Camino Real ("King's
Highway"). They're more or less parallel, although Alameda doesn't go
very far anymore. El Camino was the road used by the rich folks, and
Alameda, by the poor. I guess the rich people didn't even want to see
the riffraff on their roads!

I don't know whether it's true, but it's a colorful story. :)

> we used to go up to Talmalpais and at a certain place
> watch those guys wearing wings (I kid you *not*, thee unbelievers!)
> jump off a spot there making a perfect landing way down on some
> beach - maybe Muir, I dunno.

You mean hang gliders? There are several sites around here where the
hang gliders jump off, because many of the beaches have high cliffs,
making it a perfect spot to take off from (not to mention the great
views).

Joyce
dnr - 23 Mar 2006 06:42 GMT
> > watch those guys wearing wings (I kid you *not*, thee unbelievers!)
> > jump off a spot there making a perfect landing way down on some
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> views).
> Joyce
Hang gliders they were! Hiking up a little higher, we picnicked sitting on
a promentory facing due east and with good binocs, munched and
crunched while enjoying the vast panorama of San Quentin on the
far side of the Bay, LOL. Talmalpais, if you made a little effort
hiking up, had killer views in all directions!
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 23 Mar 2006 06:45 GMT
> Hiking up a little higher, we picnicked sitting on
> a promentory facing due east and with good binocs, munched and
> crunched while enjoying the vast panorama of San Quentin on the
> far side of the Bay, LOL. Talmalpais, if you made a little effort
> hiking up, had killer views in all directions!

I think I know which viewpoint you mean. Panoramic view of SF to
the south, ocean to the west, and rolling hills to the north. I
don't remember San Quentin, though - do you mean the town or the
prison? Maybe you were at a different place after all.

Joyce
dnr - 23 Mar 2006 08:21 GMT
> > Hiking up a little higher, we picnicked sitting on
> > a promentory facing due east and with good binocs, munched and
> > crunched while enjoying the vast panorama of San Quentin on the
> > far side of the Bay, LOL. Talmalpais, if you made a little effort
> > hiking up, had killer views in all directions!

> I think I know which viewpoint you mean. Panoramic view of SF to
> the south, ocean to the west, and rolling hills to the north. I
> don't remember San Quentin, though - do you mean the town or the
> prison? Maybe you were at a different place after all.
Joyce

No, I think we are talking different views here. Where we sat NO
VIEW of north at all, Bay view and east side of SF to south,
NO VIEW to west, and panoramic view of the *prison grounds*
ROFL; if you got good enough binocs you know a prison when
you see one. A far piece for sure from where we were. but we
were looking for it and were more interested in that than looking
at the City. I would say our little promentory was on SE side of
the mountain. Amend "due east" to "SE".
John F. Eldredge - 23 Mar 2006 15:01 GMT
>WRT nude swimming - there's a beach located a little north of San
>Francisco called Muir Beach (named after John Muir, the naturalist).
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>hour (unheard of most of the time - I would've gotten hypothermia doing
>that on most days).

This reminds me of a scene from Diana Wynne Jones' novel, _The
Homeward Bounders_.  The protagonist, a young English boy, is looking
at a nude statue of Prometheus, and wonders why the artist didn't
include the goosebumps.

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Monique Y. Mudama - 23 Mar 2006 05:02 GMT
> an "R" but can't find it on any maps I looked up.  And BTW, my bro
> the Gov't lawyer lives in Springfield, VA and though I never visited
> them any month past Oct., they've described the local winters in
> great detail. Yuck. And it isn't even pretty, like here.

I spent a good portion of my teenage years wandering about Springfield
Mall!

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Monique Y. Mudama - 23 Mar 2006 00:53 GMT
>> Not everyone enjoys freezing their *** off...I've spent 2
>> winters here now and it's no mystery @ all to me as to the
>> (LOL) "uncrowded" state.
>
> I consider your irony justified, as you are young and have
> no clue as to where I'm coming from....

I have a little bit of a clue.  As my dad is fond of saying, "Who you
are is where you were when ..." ... In my case, I grew up in Virginia
when I wasn't in Germany, and both places have plenty of cold, grey
weather.  So, compared to what I'm used to, Colorado is a huge
improvement.  Also, having grown up with snow, it doesn't bother me
much (just the shovelling ... and because of my wrist problems, poor
DH is stuck with that).

> 1. I was born and raised in south FL and have only
> moved one other time out of state...to San Jose area, CA
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> you had only seen what goes on here in winter *on tv* or
> *movies*, LOL. That's me.

I have a friend who is actually moving back to FL this week from CO.
She also tried to explain to me the idea of just not being familiar
with snow.  It's hard for me to fathom.  I have a friend in GA; he was
wondering what they made snowboarder half pipes out of.  When I told
him I was pretty sure they were just snow, he was dubious, because
from the little he knew of snow, it couldn't be hard enough to
withstand the landings.

I don't think water skiing would translate very well to snow sports.
I do know that I can't water ski.  I'm also not a great swimmer.  My
mom is very much a beach person; I can take it or leave it.  Maybe if
I were a better swimmer ...

> 2. People of any advanced age (not you, chickadee) who
> ever smoked in their entire life, never mind if they never did,
> simply *can't breathe* here - my DIL's parents frequently
> have to visit the nearby ER for breathing treatments (IPPB)
> when they visit here (my age).

Eesh.  My parents are in their late 60s and smoked most of their
lives, but they do okay here, and also in Park City (8000ish ft
altitude) where my aunt lives.  But YMMV, of course.  My grandma came
here for my wedding, and she's in her 80s, but then, she was only here
for a couple of days.  My dad does have trouble breathing when he
sleeps in Boulder, but oddly enough, he's fine in Park City ...

> Their dead bodies (expression) would wanna move here in spite of the
> adorable grandbaby their daughter produced.....she is the ONLY reason
> I will stay here till doomsday, or, pardon me, till hell freezes
> over..  

Well, you gotta do what you gotta do.  It's too bad that, in order to
do it, you have to live somewhere that you don't really enjoy.  (Have
you tried hiking?  There are some really beautiful hikes in the
mountains, and some really aren't that strenuous ... okay, I'll stop
now ...)

> 3. And hoping this explains my bad 'tude toward CO weather - I
> don't mind and have actually got acclimated to the extreme cold; it's
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> and the Atlantic.  Trader Joe's sounds like a fun store. Yes, Boulder
> has a lot of fun stores, unlike here.

All I can say is, don't move to the central east coast if you think
this is cold and snowy!  There's no ice to speak of here in CO, a
couple of real snows every winter, and it's warm enough not to wear a
jacket for a lot of winter days!  Okay, the nights are pretty d*mn
cold.  But in comparison, if you lived in VA, you wouldn't see the sun
between October and March, you'd be bundled up 24/7, and you would
have to deal with some nightmarish weather conditions (plus all the
traffic that comes from living near DC).

(I woke up one morning in Maine to go skiing, and it was -28F on the
thermometer.  That's not counting wind chill.  Brrr!)

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Monique Y. Mudama - 21 Mar 2006 22:47 GMT
>> I will never understand why there's no Trader Joe's in Boulder.  It
>> seems like the perfect demographic.
>
> Why don't you write to them?  They seem to always be opening new
> ones.  Their web address is  www.traderjoes.com

That's a fair point.

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Yowie - 20 Mar 2006 11:34 GMT
>> Most delicious thing I've come across in a long time:
>>
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>
> Okay.  Now what's "haloumi" cheese?

Apprantly its a Cyrpriot cheese (ie, from Cyprus) and made from goat or
sheep milk. But th eone I ate was Australian-made and made out of cow's
milk.

Guess its juat a style of cheese that doesn't melt when heated.

Yowie
Debbie Wilson - 20 Mar 2006 12:50 GMT
> Apprantly its a Cyrpriot cheese (ie, from Cyprus) and made from goat or
> sheep milk. But th eone I ate was Australian-made and made out of cow's
> milk.
>
> Guess its juat a style of cheese that doesn't melt when heated.

Also makes your teeth squeak when you eat it ;-)

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Smokey da Kat - 20 Mar 2006 05:26 GMT
Deer Yowie,

Fang Yu, I likes to heer bout da CHEEZ! It is my favorite thing in da hole
wurld. I wil tell my Hoomin to get sumof dat Houdini CHEEZ. I had da FETA
but never da Houdini.

Fang Yu agin.

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> Most delicious thing I've come across in a long time:
>
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>
> Yowie
jmcquown - 20 Mar 2006 08:15 GMT
> Deer Yowie,
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Fang Yu agin.

My mommy sumtymes gets da stuff called da BREE and I want it!  It smelz so
gud!  An she gets da GOODA an it smelz gud too!  And she uses it to make da
eggz...

Mommy is not nice becuz she doan giv me da CHEEZ.  She says it's not gud fur
me anna DOKTOR at da smelly playce sayz I hafta eat just dis kibble.  Heh...
I tryes to steal momma's food sumtymes.  I's da sneaky cat :)  But she
cotches me.  I tryes to get to da kibble sometymes when it's not tyme but
she hears me openin da closet an says, "Not tyme yet!"  So I go back an
hafta be da gud kitty.  But then she gibs me da kitty scritches an dat feels
gud so I purr and den I go ta sleep wif mommy...

Persia
Matthew AKA NMR ( NO MORE RETAIL ) - 20 Mar 2006 18:02 GMT
Personally give me a good old new York style extra sharp cheddar with wheat
crackers a piece of tomato  a little oregano oil and chives all on top
warmed in the oven till the cheese just starts to melt

>> Deer Yowie,
>>
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>
> Persia
Baha - 22 Mar 2006 23:38 GMT
>My mommy sumtymes gets da stuff called da BREE and I want it!  It smelz so
>gud!  An she gets da GOODA an it smelz gud too!  And she uses it to make da
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>hafta be da gud kitty.  But then she gibs me da kitty scritches an dat feels
>gud so I purr and den I go ta sleep wif mommy...

I know i know I know I know!!! Mama and Daddy get stuff called YOGURT that's
really really good and I like to steal it when i can because I'm so hyper and
need lotsa energy so I can go play and wrassle and play and play and play and
they say Naughty Boy Stosh when I do it because it's so GOOD bye bye I hafta
go and play now!!!!

Stosh
Cantate - 24 Mar 2006 01:30 GMT
Are you sure that recipe is for hoomans?

I love cheese!  Especially the grated kind.

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jmcquown wrote:
>My mommy sumtymes gets da stuff called da BREE and I want it!  It smelz so
>gud!  An she gets da GOODA an it smelz gud too!  And she uses it to make da
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>hafta be da gud kitty.  But then she gibs me da kitty scritches an dat feels
>gud so I purr and den I go ta sleep wif mommy...

I know i know I know I know!!! Mama and Daddy get stuff called YOGURT
that's
really really good and I like to steal it when i can because I'm so
hyper and
need lotsa energy so I can go play and wrassle and play and play and
play and
they say Naughty Boy Stosh when I do it because it's so GOOD bye bye I
hafta
go and play now!!!!

Stosh
Flippy - 21 Mar 2006 13:02 GMT
Having lived in Greece for four years in my twenties, it's still one of the
dishes that I miss.

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"Yowie" wrote in message ...
> Most delicious thing I've come across in a long time:
>
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>
> Yowie
Duke of URL - 22 Mar 2006 21:44 GMT
Yowie @ yowie9644.DIESPAMDIE@yahoo.com.au

> Most delicious thing I've come across in a long time:
>
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> taste.
> To *die* for, and so simple! Perfect with a glass of red.

Okay - since I've never heard of "haloumi", will this work for cheddar?
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Matthew AKA NMR ( NO MORE RETAIL ) - 22 Mar 2006 21:47 GMT
> Yowie @ yowie9644.DIESPAMDIE@yahoo.com.au
>
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> Turning the Internet over to UN Commission control is the best idea
> since sliced milk

Probably not the above cheese keeps it form and texture when you grill it.
Cheddar  tends to melt at low temperatures and  some brands get greasy and
heavy.  Fetta cheese would work since both are goat milk products
Baha - 22 Mar 2006 22:02 GMT
>Most delicious thing I've come across in a long time:
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>To *die* for, and so simple! Perfect with a glass of red.

I've seen Rachael Ray (hyperactive Food Network icon) do something like this
with big, thin slices of Parmesan made with an apple peeler. It sounds
absolutely, decadently sinful nearly to the point of criminal. But what is
haloumi cheese?

Blessed be,
Baha
Jo Firey - 22 Mar 2006 22:45 GMT
>>Most delicious thing I've come across in a long time:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> Blessed be,
> Baha

For true decadence, sit in a cafe after hours with the owner and friends.  A
nice bottle of wine.  And a chunk of good parmesan out of the kitchen along
with a vegetable peeler or really sharp knife.  Heaven.

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