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kaleigh - 19 Mar 2006 16:38 GMT
Both my kitties live indoors.  Although both rescues, they are 3 years
apart in age and free of health problems.  Still I worry about FIP
knowing two people who each suddenly and tragically lost a young and
otherwise healthy cat to this disease.
My vet refuses to give my kitties this vaccination.  Should I heed her
advice or find a new vet?
Matthew AKA NMR ( NO MORE RETAIL ) - 19 Mar 2006 16:40 GMT
May I ask what reason did the vet give
> Both my kitties live indoors.  Although both rescues, they are 3 years
> apart in age and free of health problems.  Still I worry about FIP
> knowing two people who each suddenly and tragically lost a young and
> otherwise healthy cat to this disease.
> My vet refuses to give my kitties this vaccination.  Should I heed her
> advice or find a new vet?
kaleigh - 19 Mar 2006 16:44 GMT
No risk/exposure and she also vaccinates sparingly feeling the possible
risks associated with vaccinations (which I read at the time in
pamphlets but can't reiterate) are higher than risk of illness. They
really do not have direct contact with other kittiies, although they do
ocassionally go outside on harnesses.
Matthew AKA NMR ( NO MORE RETAIL ) - 19 Mar 2006 17:00 GMT
> No risk/exposure and she also vaccinates sparingly feeling the possible
> risks associated with vaccinations (which I read at the time in
> pamphlets but can't reiterate) are higher than risk of illness. They
> really do not have direct contact with other kittiies, although they do
> ocassionally go outside on harnesses.

Let me get this straight your vet sparingly vaccinates due to risk involved
in vaccinations but you cat goes outside
DO me a favor pick up the phone and call 5 vets in your area and ask them
about vaccinated a pet that goes outside is it worth the risk.   He there
are risk as with all medicine
Do you have the newsgroup   rec.pets.cats.health+behav   if you do I want to
invite you over to the group   Please go there and PING PHIL P  and ask him
about this.  He is not a vet but is the most knowledge person I have ever
dealt with that was not a doctor or a vet. this is his website
http://www.maxshouse.com/vaccine_protocols.htm

I have all my cats vaccinated some feline disease are from indirect contact
based some come from direct contact with other cats some are passed from the
litterbox so on and so on.
Personally new vet over the vaccinations I can understand the FIP
vaccination  but the others.  The FIP has too much controversy around it and
my vet does not recommend it due to the lack of evidence of it working.
 Distemper is spread thru contact all you cat has to do is have an open
window thru the screen  smell another cat that jumped up to him and the cat
is exposed.  Rabies depending on where you are  here in Florida it is a big
possibility Depending on where you live  and your animal control laws  what
would happen if your cat bite and scratched some one and animal control
seizes your animal and your cat is not vaccinated.  ASK THE VET THAT
Matthew AKA NMR ( NO MORE RETAIL ) - 19 Mar 2006 17:02 GMT
I have may have over read into it
Was that for all vaccinations or just the FIP
if it was for all read the above post  for the FIP  yes the vet is right too
much controversy around the vaccine   no evidence that it actually works

>> No risk/exposure and she also vaccinates sparingly feeling the possible
>> risks associated with vaccinations (which I read at the time in
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> control seizes your animal and your cat is not vaccinated.  ASK THE VET
> THAT
kaleigh - 19 Mar 2006 17:07 GMT
My kitties do have their distemper and rabies, thank goodness for
those.  You are 2 of 2 (yours first) replies I have received on the
controversy of FIP vaccinations. I read some more on this site and
found late 90's anecdotes of kitties incorrectly diagnosed-even leading
to euthanizations- with FIP.  Yikes.  I will check out the link you
provided. Thank you for your concerns about us :) !
Matthew AKA NMR ( NO MORE RETAIL ) - 19 Mar 2006 17:09 GMT
Kaleigh  I forgot to say something in the first reply  WELCOME TO THE GROUP
never hesitate to ask a question out here or that other group that I
mentioned  there are a few nutballs here but I have only been a member for
less than a year and have made some great friends out here.

Matthew
> My kitties do have their distemper and rabies, thank goodness for
> those.  You are 2 of 2 (yours first) replies I have received on the
> controversy of FIP vaccinations. I read some more on this site and
> found late 90's anecdotes of kitties incorrectly diagnosed-even leading
> to euthanizations- with FIP.  Yikes.  I will check out the link you
> provided. Thank you for your concerns about us :) !
kaleigh - 19 Mar 2006 17:25 GMT
After visiting the Cornell site I feel better about their not being
vaccinated against FLV or FIP but may broach FHV-1 & FCV- although
again they are both well out of kittenhood and quite healthy. Maybe it
would be something to do only if  new kitty were entering the
household.
Matthew AKA NMR ( NO MORE RETAIL ) - 19 Mar 2006 17:31 GMT
You need to be careful in a multi cat environment.  The shelters that we
volunteer at  actually quarantines any new furball till all the test are
done and results in.  Than all are treated properly and dealt with on a need
to need basis.

Every time we have had a new addition to the family the same was done here.
We have never had a sick cat yet except for rumble but epilepsy commonly
does not show up until 3 years of age and is not contagious.

> After visiting the Cornell site I feel better about their not being
> vaccinated against FLV or FIP but may broach FHV-1 & FCV- although
> again they are both well out of kittenhood and quite healthy. Maybe it
> would be something to do only if  new kitty were entering the
> household.
Helen Miles - 19 Mar 2006 16:50 GMT
> My vet refuses to give my kitties this vaccination.  Should I heed her
> advice or find a new vet?///

You vet sounds very good. The FIP vaccine has not been proven to be
particularly effective and personally, I would not vacinate my cats with
it.

Helen M
kaleigh - 19 Mar 2006 17:08 GMT
Yours is the second of 2 replies I received about the FIP vaccine being
controversial.  It is good to hear from a non-clinical perspective.  It
is hard to be objective about those I want to protect and keep with me
as long as they can stay. Thank you! Karen.
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 19 Mar 2006 20:07 GMT
> Yours is the second of 2 replies I received about the FIP vaccine being
> controversial.  It is good to hear from a non-clinical perspective.  It
> is hard to be objective about those I want to protect and keep with me
> as long as they can stay. Thank you! Karen.

Until I moved to my present apartment, my cats have always
been indoor/outdoor.  I always had them vaccinated for
everything going, then (NOT FIP, because the disease itself
has only been recognized comparatively recently, so the
vaccine was not offered.)  Because I had lost a couple of
cats to FLV, I'd include that.  However, now they're indoor
only, the vet does not feel some of the vacinations are
necessary, and she says there is always possibility of an
injection-site abcess.
Enfilade - 19 Mar 2006 19:30 GMT
> > My vet refuses to give my kitties this vaccination.  Should I heed her
> > advice or find a new vet?///

Our guys are indoor only and we have not vaccinated against kitty AIDS
(FIV), feline leukemia or...I forget the name of it...the coronavirus.

We vaccinate against the breathing disorders and distemper.

When we lived in Ontario, Nox and Smokey got rabies shots as required
by law, but here it is not required and since our guys 1. don't go out
and 2. we don' t have bats or rodents or other wild life coming into
our high rise we haven't done it here.

--Fil
blkcatgal - 19 Mar 2006 18:54 GMT
Your vet is probably right.  There is a controversy about the FIP
vaccination and it's effectiveness.  My vet doesn't recommend it either.

Sue
> Both my kitties live indoors.  Although both rescues, they are 3 years
> apart in age and free of health problems.  Still I worry about FIP
> knowing two people who each suddenly and tragically lost a young and
> otherwise healthy cat to this disease.
> My vet refuses to give my kitties this vaccination.  Should I heed her
> advice or find a new vet?
glsummer@neptunelink.com - 19 Mar 2006 20:08 GMT
>Both my kitties live indoors.  Although both rescues, they are 3 years
>apart in age and free of health problems.  Still I worry about FIP
>knowing two people who each suddenly and tragically lost a young and
>otherwise healthy cat to this disease.
>My vet refuses to give my kitties this vaccination.  Should I heed her
>advice or find a new vet?

This is just my personal opinion based on what I know, but here it is.

The FIP vaccination is not very helpful anyway, nor does the FIP test
give very accurate results.  So in my book, it's a waste of money,
particularly since your kitties are indoor-only.  If you rescue, there
may be more cause for worry, but I'd say in general, it isn't a big
likelihood that they will develop this.

My only worry is that you said your vet "refuses" to give it.  I would
think she would tell you that it isn't all that helpful, or whatever,
and share information to try to dissuade you from doing it, but
outright refusal is a bit concerning to me. I would talk to her about
it again before you make any decisions to change vets.

Just my $1.02 worth.

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Matthew AKA NMR ( NO MORE RETAIL ) - 19 Mar 2006 20:17 GMT
>>Both my kitties live indoors.  Although both rescues, they are 3 years
>>apart in age and free of health problems.  Still I worry about FIP
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>
> Just my $1.02 worth.

Can I get my change back :-)  just kidding
Exocat - 19 Mar 2006 23:12 GMT
> Both my kitties live indoors.  Although both rescues, they are 3 years
> apart in age and free of health problems.  Still I worry about FIP
> knowing two people who each suddenly and tragically lost a young and
> otherwise healthy cat to this disease.
> My vet refuses to give my kitties this vaccination.  Should I heed her
> advice or find a new vet?

Heed her advice! There's really no such things as a FIP vaccination! FIP
is an individual internal mutation of FCoV (the widespread and common
Feline Corona Virus) which kills owing to an inappropriate immune
response - this response can be triggered by the very "vaccination"
that's supposed to help.

Please visit www.dr-addie.com for a complete overview of FIP, she's a
world leader in research into the subject.

Purrs
Gordon & the FF

PS I lost a beloved cat to FIP last year and did a LOT of research
afterwards, so I know of what I speak.
MaryL - 20 Mar 2006 02:59 GMT
> Both my kitties live indoors.  Although both rescues, they are 3 years
> apart in age and free of health problems.  Still I worry about FIP
> knowing two people who each suddenly and tragically lost a young and
> otherwise healthy cat to this disease.
> My vet refuses to give my kitties this vaccination.  Should I heed her
> advice or find a new vet?

I think your vet is wise.  Along these lines, a friend recently suggested
that I pick up a copy of "Shock to the System: The Facts About Animal
Vaccination, Pet Food and How to Keep Your Pet Healthy," by Catherine O'Driscoll.
She was very impressed with the research that went into effects of
vaccinations, and she considers this book to be a "must read." You might
want to take a look at it. You can go here to order it from amazon.com:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1929242298/sr=8-1/qid=1142817908/ref=pd_bbs_1/1
03-4669462-6359826?%5Fencoding=UTF8

(or, you could use this shorter link: http://tinyurl.com/mvovc)
MaryL
ShirleyB - 20 Mar 2006 04:11 GMT
My baby Rexie NEVER leaves the house (tho he did get out on the porch Fri and
gave me a heart attack! Got him back in by holding out his food dish!). My vet
insisted on vaccinating him, and now Loki, our new little one. Also, when I went
in to get "Mama" spayed (when all this started), she did the FIP test, and when
Mama tested negative, vaccinated her, cause she'd be living outside (tho on my
porch in a "house"), but coming inside periodically and therefore, be in contact
with Rexie and Loki.

(I just re-read that, I think it made sense!)

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kaleigh eloquently related the following on 3/19/2006 7:38 AM:
> Both my kitties live indoors.  Although both rescues, they are 3 years
> apart in age and free of health problems.  Still I worry about FIP
> knowing two people who each suddenly and tragically lost a young and
> otherwise healthy cat to this disease.
> My vet refuses to give my kitties this vaccination.  Should I heed her
> advice or find a new vet?
Victor Martinez - 20 Mar 2006 14:41 GMT
> My vet refuses to give my kitties this vaccination.  Should I heed her
> advice or find a new vet?

FIP vaccination is useless and more dangerous than it's worth.

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