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R.I.P. Friesian Mare Gerda (OT)

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Pat - 17 Mar 2006 15:18 GMT
I got a call from Gloria very early this morning. Gerda
(http://friesianlover.com/gerda.html) died giving birth to her foal, which
was breech and also did not survive. You don't wanna know the gory details.
I could have waited another hour or so to hear them myself....

I am so immensely sad for all concerned, as well as extremely glad that I
did not have to be there as it was happening. According to Gloria, the vet
arrived too late to save her but in time to put her down before she suffered
much.
Julie Cook - 17 Mar 2006 16:23 GMT
> I got a call from Gloria very early this morning. Gerda
> (http://friesianlover.com/gerda.html) died giving birth to her foal, which
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> arrived too late to save her but in time to put her down before she suffered
> much.

Purrs for Gloria and yourself, Pat. My boss' daughter shows horses at
jumping competitions. They bought a horse several years ago that
eventually turned into the family pet as well as her competition horse.
 Several weeks ago they had to put him down due to intestinal
complications. The entire family was heartbroken. I shall light the
candle I used to guide Newt over the Bridge for Gerda.

Julie
mlbriggs - 17 Mar 2006 17:02 GMT
> I got a call from Gloria very early this morning. Gerda
> (http://friesianlover.com/gerda.html) died giving birth to her foal, which
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> arrived too late to save her but in time to put her down before she suffered
> much.

what a sad end to a story.   Purrs for those who loved the horse.  MLB
Pat - 17 Mar 2006 17:19 GMT
> Purrs for those who loved the horse.

I've been crying all morning. She was an absolutely wonderful mare.
Karen - 17 Mar 2006 17:40 GMT
I'm so sorry, Pat. So sad.

> > Purrs for those who loved the horse.
>
> I've been crying all morning. She was an absolutely wonderful mare.
Adrian A - 17 Mar 2006 17:04 GMT
> I got a call from Gloria very early this morning. Gerda
> (http://friesianlover.com/gerda.html) died giving birth to her foal,
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Gloria, the vet arrived too late to save her but in time to put her
> down before she suffered much.

I'm sorry to hear that, I will light a candle for Gerda and her foal. :-(
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Kreisleriana - 17 Mar 2006 17:18 GMT
>I got a call from Gloria very early this morning. Gerda
>(http://friesianlover.com/gerda.html) died giving birth to her foal, which
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>arrived too late to save her but in time to put her down before she suffered
>much.

Oh, I am so sorry.  What a great loss.  We are all revving our purr
motors.

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Matthew AKA NMR ( NO MORE RETAIL ) - 17 Mar 2006 17:21 GMT
I am so sorry Pat
Purrs, Hugs and you are in our prayers

>>I got a call from Gloria very early this morning. Gerda
>>(http://friesianlover.com/gerda.html) died giving birth to her foal, which
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Make Levees, Not War
Monique Y. Mudama - 17 Mar 2006 17:46 GMT
> I got a call from Gloria very early this morning. Gerda
> (http://friesianlover.com/gerda.html) died giving birth to her foal,
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Gloria, the vet arrived too late to save her but in time to put her
> down before she suffered much.

I'm so sorry.  Maybe mother and foal can keep each other company on
the way to the Bridge ...

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Irulan - 17 Mar 2006 18:39 GMT
ah, poor horsies. I'm sure the RB has a lot of green pastures for both of
them to run around in. Will include them in our candle lighting this
weekend.
Lily & her mama

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>I got a call from Gloria very early this morning. Gerda
>(http://friesianlover.com/gerda.html) died giving birth to her foal, which
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> arrived too late to save her but in time to put her down before she
> suffered much.
Steve - 17 Mar 2006 22:15 GMT
[Snip]

Please call Lynda.  She hasn't been able to reach you for a week and is
worried.

Thanks,

Stephen
wafflycat - 17 Mar 2006 20:23 GMT
>I got a call from Gloria very early this morning. Gerda
>(http://friesianlover.com/gerda.html) died giving birth to her foal, which
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> arrived too late to save her but in time to put her down before she
> suffered much.

Oh this is sad. Poor mare, poor baby.

*hugs* helen s
Christine Burel - 18 Mar 2006 00:41 GMT
I'm so very, very sorry, Pat.
Christine
> I got a call from Gloria very early this morning. Gerda
> (http://friesianlover.com/gerda.html) died giving birth to her foal, which
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> arrived too late to save her but in time to put her down before she suffered
> much.
Marina - 18 Mar 2006 04:22 GMT
> I got a call from Gloria very early this morning. Gerda
> (http://friesianlover.com/gerda.html) died giving birth to her foal, which
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> arrived too late to save her but in time to put her down before she suffered
> much.

I'm very sorry, Pat. Condolences and purrs.

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-L. - 18 Mar 2006 07:35 GMT
> I got a call from Gloria very early this morning. Gerda
> (http://friesianlover.com/gerda.html) died giving birth to her foal, which
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> arrived too late to save her but in time to put her down before she suffered
> much.

Good God, that is so sad!  How did it happen?  Did they not catch her
in time to do anything about it, or did they just wait too long, or in
horses, is there not much you *can* do about it?

-L.
sriddles@aol.com - 18 Mar 2006 15:11 GMT
> > I got a call from Gloria very early this morning. Gerda
> > (http://friesianlover.com/gerda.html) died giving birth to her foal, which
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> -L.

I know some folks who raise horses who do sonograms (the vet has a
mobile machine) on first-time births or for some reason they suspect a
problem. Or sometimes just routine, particularly for high-dollar
thoroughbreds or just people who care very much about their horses.
Other than that, there are people who just treat their horses like the
ranchers do the cattle -- let nature take its course and hope for the
best.

Sherry
Pat - 18 Mar 2006 16:41 GMT
<sriddles@aol.com> wrote in message

> I know some folks who raise horses who do sonograms (the vet has a
> mobile machine) on first-time births or for some reason they suspect a
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> ranchers do the cattle -- let nature take its course and hope for the
> best.

Sonograms would have to be done *very* close to the time of foaling because
the foal does not move into the final pre-foaling position until just prior
to birth, and the time it will happen is so hard to predict.

This is the first breech presentation she's encountered in her herd. Indeed,
the first problem with foaling aside from two premies and a few retained
placentae. Also, there is no vet that can get to the farm within a short
enough time to do much good once a mare has gone into labor. When I was
there she would speed-dial my number as soon as the foal alert went off if I
wasn't already sleeping in the barn, and often by the time I sped the
two-tenths of a mile to the barn, the baby was already on the ground.
Pat - 18 Mar 2006 16:22 GMT
> Good God, that is so sad!  How did it happen?  Did they not catch her
> in time to do anything about it, or did they just wait too long, or in
> horses, is there not much you *can* do about it?

If you know about it early enough in the mare's labor (no easy feat), and if
the mare is cooperative (also a tricky proposition), and the foaling
attendant is exceptionally knowledgeable and has a long enough arm and
enough strength and is very quick, sometimes a breech foal can be delivered
alive without having to do an emergency C-section. The procedure involves
reaching into the mare's uterus and finding the foal's feet and getting them
into the birth canal without accidentally puncturing the uterus in the
process, and then pulling the foal out quickly enough that it does not
suffocate. Normally the head is out and the foal can breathe before the back
part of its body is born but when it's coming feet-first the oxygen supply
from the umbilicus will be cut off due to pressure, so the whole process of
pulling the breech foal must be done extremely fast in order to save the
foal and spare it from brain damage due to oxygen deprivation.

In this case Gloria was out there in plenty of time and Gerda was very
cooperative but according to the vet one of the baby's feet had probably
already perforated the uterus before she even started trying to help,
because her intestine was wrapped around the foal's legs.
-L. - 19 Mar 2006 08:07 GMT
> If you know about it early enough in the mare's labor (no easy feat), and if
> the mare is cooperative (also a tricky proposition), and the foaling
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> already perforated the uterus before she even started trying to help,
> because her intestine was wrapped around the foal's legs.

Oh Pat, I am so sorry - that's so sad!  I am sure you all are just sick
about it.
-L.
Susan M - 18 Mar 2006 15:59 GMT
I'm sorry to hear about poor Gerda, her foal and her human family.  Purrs
heading their way.

Susan M
Otis and Chester

>I got a call from Gloria very early this morning. Gerda
>(http://friesianlover.com/gerda.html) died giving birth to her foal, which
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> arrived too late to save her but in time to put her down before she
> suffered much.
polonca12000 - 19 Mar 2006 11:52 GMT
> I got a call from Gloria very early this morning. Gerda
> (http://friesianlover.com/gerda.html) died giving birth to her foal, which
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> arrived too late to save her but in time to put her down before she suffered
> much.

I'm so very sorry to hear about Gerda and her foal.
Polonca and Soncek

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