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Susan M - 11 Mar 2006 18:49 GMT
My friend called last night in tears because her doc has suggested that she
needs to re-home her husband's cat.  Smokey is 17 yo and has been with her
DH through thick and thin.  My friend moved out here 2.5 years ago to marry
her DH.

My friend has severe asthma.  She used to play in the pit for musicals with
an oxygen tank beside her.  Last spring, we played a concert together and I
had to take her off stage during the dress rehearsal while she had such a
severe attack that she couldn't lift her arms to give herself her puffer.
We got a doctor in the crowd to watch the stage for us during the concert
and he was ready to go backstage and assist her is she had to leave.  We got
her an oxygen tank for the show backstage.  It turned out that there were
lilies on backstage for the soloist and that set her off.

So its severe.

I phoned her this AM and she and DH were having a very emotional discussion
about it.  DH doesn't think anyone could possibly take good enough care of
Smokey to consider re-homing him.  Ugh.  He's had a terrible work week with
three 17 hour days at the office and is emotionally maxed out so this is a
bad time for this discussion.

Any good thoughts for them to find a good solution would be much
appreciated.

Thanks,

Susan M
Otis and Chester
Matthew AKA NMR ( NO MORE RETAIL ) - 11 Mar 2006 18:57 GMT
I think she should go get another opinion.  I have a person that works at
the shelter who has severe asthma she walks around with an oxygen tank
sometimes when the pollen is bad.  There are so many factors that can set
off a asthma attack and 2 and a half years is a long time has she had daily
attacks from being there more than normal
There are things to do to help out such as bath the cats often and groom the
cat daily to keep the fur dandruff  down.

> My friend called last night in tears because her doc has suggested that
> she needs to re-home her husband's cat.  Smokey is 17 yo and has been with
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> Susan M
> Otis and Chester
Yoj - 11 Mar 2006 19:05 GMT
I agree with Matthew.  Every other option should be explored thoroughly
before rehoming a pet, especially one that old.

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> I think she should go get another opinion.  I have a person that works at
> the shelter who has severe asthma she walks around with an oxygen tank
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> > Susan M
> > Otis and Chester
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 12 Mar 2006 00:23 GMT
> I think she should go get another opinion.  I have a person that works at
> the shelter who has severe asthma she walks around with an oxygen tank
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> There are things to do to help out such as bath the cats often and groom the
> cat daily to keep the fur dandruff  down.

I think Foster and Smith (and of course other sources) have
"daily moist wipes" for cats, specifically designed to help
keep the dander levels as low as possible.
Susan M - 12 Mar 2006 00:51 GMT
> I think Foster and Smith (and of course other sources) have "daily moist
> wipes" for cats, specifically designed to help keep the dander levels as
> low as possible.

She was going to buy the cat wipes at my suggestion today too.  Her DH is
overwrought.

Susan M
Otis and Chester
Karen - 12 Mar 2006 05:58 GMT
>> I think Foster and Smith (and of course other sources) have "daily
>> moist wipes" for cats, specifically designed to help keep the dander
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> Susan M
> Otis and Chester

A 17 year old cat! I can understand his being incredibly torn. If they
don't use catwipes now it seems good to try, but as she has attacks
other places too, I have to wonder if the cat is really going to make a
difference not being there? That doesn't necessarily seem logical.
Susan M - 12 Mar 2006 00:50 GMT
>I think she should go get another opinion.  I have a person that works at
>the shelter who has severe asthma she walks around with an oxygen tank
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> There are things to do to help out such as bath the cats often and groom
> the cat daily to keep the fur dandruff  down.

I too think that she should look at other options.  She wanted to know if I
could babysit the cat at our house for a couple of months to see if it made
any difference.  I simply can't because my 5 yo bare child is allergic to
cats.  So far, we've managed but I'm not going to stress his system.  I will
continue to talk to her about this.

Susan M
Otis and Chester
Jo Firey - 11 Mar 2006 21:00 GMT
> My friend called last night in tears because her doc has suggested that
> she needs to re-home her husband's cat.  Smokey is 17 yo and has been with
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> Any good thoughts for them to find a good solution would be much
> appreciated.

I have severe asthma.  And two cats.  I'd be looking for another doctor and
another solution rather than rehoming the cat.

Suggest.  Keep cat out of the bedroom and really "de-allergy" the bedroom.
We had a waterbed for years and now use an air mattress.  Both cut way down
on dust mites and friends.

Get some cat wipes and have DH wipe down cat daily.  Alternative, have him
wipe down cat with damp wash cloth daily.

Make sure furnace filters are changed/cleaned frequently.  No air fresheners
in the house.  Use Tide Free for laundry and always an extra rinse.  No
fabric softener especially on bedding and towels and her clothes.

Sorry, no perfumes, colognes, air fresheners, fresh flowers, etc.

DH gets to do all the vacuuming and dusting while she is out of the house.

You get the idea.  Hit all the other problem areas and the cat should be
fine.

Oh, and she really has to wash her hands any time she touches the cat.

Jo
Susan M - 12 Mar 2006 01:00 GMT
> I have severe asthma.  And two cats.  I'd be looking for another doctor
> and another solution rather than rehoming the cat.

Me too.  I think that she's headed down that road too.

> Suggest.  Keep cat out of the bedroom and really "de-allergy" the bedroom.
> We had a waterbed for years and now use an air mattress.  Both cut way
> down on dust mites and friends.

They have a HEPA filter running in the bedroom at all times and the door is
closed to the cat at all times.  I'll mention about the mattress.

> Get some cat wipes and have DH wipe down cat daily.  Alternative, have him
> wipe down cat with damp wash cloth daily.

They're buying some wipes today.

> Make sure furnace filters are changed/cleaned frequently.  No air
> fresheners in the house.  Use Tide Free for laundry and always an extra
> rinse.  No fabric softener especially on bedding and towels and her
> clothes.

They are already very careful with this - she's had this condition for a
long time and has become quite a pro at reducing the triggers.  They were
buying a new HEPA filter for their vacuum today too.  They have a house
cleaner to come in a clean when she is not there and she also washes her
hands after touching the cats.

She's been really really sick since December and I think its a combination
of the animals (she also has a dog), her allergies, and huge stress.   I'd
like to see her and her husband cut down on some stress too.

It's one of those situations where I can listen, offer advice, and strongly
suggest solutions but *I'm* not really in charge.  They have good hearts and
they love their animals so I know that they have the best interests of
everyone at heart.  My friend is also acutely conscious of the fact that
they could re-home the cat and then find out it makes no difference anyway.

Susan M
Otis and Chester
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 12 Mar 2006 01:33 GMT
> My friend is also acutely conscious of the fact that they could
> re-home the cat and then find out it makes no difference anyway.

That would be very, very sad. Could they find a temporary home for him,
to see if it made any difference? I mean, besides your house? :)

Joyce
Christine Burel - 13 Mar 2006 03:00 GMT
> > My friend called last night in tears because her doc has suggested that
> > she needs to re-home her husband's cat.  Smokey is 17 yo and has been with
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>
> Jo

Susan,
I just finished looking up some information for a friend on this -- have
your friend look at the Allerpet products -- supposed to de-nature the
chemical in cat saliva that causes allergies:
www.allerpet.com

Also does your friend have HEPA air filters in her house?  She should
definitely look into this if she hasn't already do so.

Another website that may be of use to her:
http://www.immune.com/allergy/allabc.html

hope this helps,
Christine
Susan M - 13 Mar 2006 05:37 GMT
"Christine Burel" <cfbureREMOVETHISl@comcast.net> wrote in message >>
> Susan,
> I just finished looking up some information for a friend on this -- have
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> Another website that may be of use to her:
> http://www.immune.com/allergy/allabc.html

Thank you Christine - I've forwarded the links to her.

Susan M
Otis and Chester
Victor Martinez - 11 Mar 2006 22:48 GMT
> Any good thoughts for them to find a good solution would be much
> appreciated.

Lots of purrs.

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pmendhall - 12 Mar 2006 00:12 GMT
> My friend called last night in tears because her doc has suggested that she
> needs to re-home her husband's cat.  Smokey is 17 yo and has been with her
> DH through thick and thin.  My friend moved out here 2.5 years ago to marry
> her DH.

Has she been tested for cat allergies?  She may not be allergic to the cat.
She should go and have a full spectrum allergy testing, she might find out
the issue is something else entirely that they did not expect.

Diane
Susan M - 12 Mar 2006 01:03 GMT
> Has she been tested for cat allergies?  She may not be allergic to the
> cat.
> She should go and have a full spectrum allergy testing, she might find out
> the issue is something else entirely that they did not expect.

She booked her allergist appointment one year ago and it is in two weeks
(CDN health care may be mainly free but extremely slow in some specialties).
She will find out for sure then, though she's sure she's allergic to the
cat.  She is curious to find out if it is also her dog though.  Yikes.  I
know that the allergist she's seeing is pretty clear in advising that the
animals should be removed from the house.  He said the same thing to us
about my son, though my son is holding out great so far.

Susan M
Otis and Chester
Mishi - 12 Mar 2006 01:14 GMT
>>Has she been tested for cat allergies?  She may not be allergic to the
>>cat.
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> Susan M
> Otis and Chester

My cousin has asthma, and her allegist told her that she had to rehome
her cats. She gave them to her parents, then discovered that it wasn't
the cats she was allegic to, but something that they picked up in their
fur! They were indoor/outdoor cats. Once they were at her parents house
she did not have attacks when around them. She has had other cats - all
indoor - and hasn't had a problem since.

Patti
W. Leong - 12 Mar 2006 01:44 GMT
> She booked her allergist appointment one year ago and it is in two weeks
> (CDN health care may be mainly free but extremely slow in some
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> advising that the animals should be removed from the house.  He said the
> same thing to us about my son, though my son is holding out great so far.

Wow that is a long wait. I saw an allergist twice over the years
here in Ottawa and I didn't have to wait that long. A couple of weeks maybe.
I thought health care is better in Alberta than Ontario.
My allergist also advised me not to get a cat even when I am  not allergic
to cats.
I didn't listen to him but did most of  the things mentioned here.
I have wood floor and mostly blinds instead of curtains.
Rusty is not allowed in my bedroom and he knows it.

Winnie

> Susan M
> Otis and Chester
Mischief - 12 Mar 2006 05:54 GMT
I've had this convo before....

I have asthma, and i work in a vet clinic, and also have three cats.

I've managed to make it work.  One of my former doctors wanted me to
get rid of the cats and find a new career.  This was also the quack
that said I had COPD.  My new current physician and allergist say i
have asthma but am nowhere near to having COPD.

My allergist has made reccomendations such as wearing a mask at work,
which i can't do all the time.  I only do it if i have to work with
rabbits, which i'm really allergic to.  He says i should wear a mask
and goggles when bathing a dog, etc.

He also says i need to keep the cats out of the bedroom.  That's a LONG
way from happening, cause one, i like having a cat curled up on the bed
with me.  There is something soothing about lying in bed after a long
day and having something cute and furry curl up next to you and will
love you unconditionally.  Also, i'm not about to have my door all
scratched up or listen to the crying.

I have a Hepa filter next to my bed and wash my sheets every week/two
weeks.  I've been very lazy lately, but i try to  really 'de-allergy'
the room every few months.  I kick out all the cats, dust and clean
everything, and vaccuum the floor like three times and don't let the
cats in it until i'm all done.

I haven't been keeping up with the allergy shots, but i know i need to
get back into them.

Your friend's asthma must be really bad if she needs to keep an oxygen
tank nearby.  And if a bouquet of lillies sets her off, that's really
harsh.  for her keeping the cat out of the bedroom would definitely
have to happen.  I love my babies and would do anything for them.  My
family and allergist are trying to make me think of the future and my
health in the long run.

For some reason though i'm not that worried about the future.  I just
try to make it through the day/week.  But that's cause i'm depressed
and really don't care about how long i live right now, but i won't get
into that. I'll do the allergy shots, the wipes, the baths the wood
floors, everything.  If it ever gets to that point though i still won't
get rid of them.  I'd live with an oxygen mask personally rather than
give them up.

I hope everything works out of your friend.  

Take care,

Kristi
meee - 12 Mar 2006 08:36 GMT
> I've had this convo before....
>
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
> and really don't care about how long i live right now, but i won't get
> into that.

Then most likely your cats are good for you in the long run. Who else is
going to be there for you like they are?? Don't give up, it does get better.
I am a depression survivor, and my cats are my preventative these days. Hugs
and purrs.

I'll do the allergy shots, the wipes, the baths the wood
> floors, everything.  If it ever gets to that point though i still won't
> get rid of them.  I'd live with an oxygen mask personally rather than
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Kristi
Susan M - 12 Mar 2006 08:49 GMT
> Your friend's asthma must be really bad if she needs to keep an oxygen
> tank nearby.  And if a bouquet of lillies sets her off, that's really
> harsh.  for her keeping the cat out of the bedroom would definitely
> have to happen.  I love my babies and would do anything for them.  My
> family and allergist are trying to make me think of the future and my
> health in the long run.

It's been bad ever since I've known her.  Very serious.

> For some reason though i'm not that worried about the future.  I just
> try to make it through the day/week.  But that's cause i'm depressed
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> get rid of them.  I'd live with an oxygen mask personally rather than
> give them up.

I don't like the sounds of this Kristi.  Please take care of yourself.
We're sending you purrs to feel lighter.

Susan M
Otis and Chester
Mischief - 12 Mar 2006 22:12 GMT
Heh don't worry folks, i'm ok.

I'm just living a day at a time and see what life throws at me is what
i really meant.  

Kristi
Monique Y. Mudama - 13 Mar 2006 19:21 GMT
> For some reason though i'm not that worried about the future.  I
> just try to make it through the day/week.  But that's cause i'm
> depressed and really don't care about how long i live right now, but

Oh, Kristi =/

You may not be too worried about your future, but I know that you will
always have plenty of furry friends living with you, and *they* need
you to stay strong and healthy so that you can take care of them.

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polonca12000 - 14 Mar 2006 22:17 GMT
<snip>
> For some reason though i'm not that worried about the future.  I just
> try to make it through the day/week.  But that's cause i'm depressed
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Kristi

Please try to get some help for your depression, it sounds very serious,
Kristi!
We are thinking of you, sending lots of purrs and best wishes for
something to be found to ease the depression,
Polonca and Soncek
pmendhall - 12 Mar 2006 06:14 GMT
> She booked her allergist appointment one year ago and it is in two weeks
> (CDN health care may be mainly free but extremely slow in some specialties).
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> animals should be removed from the house.  He said the same thing to us
> about my son, though my son is holding out great so far.

I'm glad she has an appointment with an allergist.  That is a really long
wait.  I think the knee jerk reaction of most allergists is to recommend
getting rid of pets because that is what they were taught in medical school.
However, sometimes the doctor doesn't always know what is right for the
patient.  I hope the testing pinpoints what is potentially the real trigger
so there is less guess work.

I have allergies and allergy induced asthma and I am constantly questioning
not always the advice my family doctor gives, but also the allergist.  The
family doctor appreciates that I take and active interest in my care, the
allergist is less enthusiastic with me "questioning his knowledge".
Everytime he brings up using steroids I tell him I don't want to if I don't
have to.  I also question him closely when he prescribes something to be
used year round when the asthma acts up only in the fall.    Oh well, he
gets over it.  I guess I'm one of his difficult patients.

I hope your friend is able to resolve the asthma issue because it is really
scary when you can't get a good breath.  She has any purrs, doggie drool,
and other support that she needs from our household.

Diane
Yowie - 12 Mar 2006 10:30 GMT
>> She booked her allergist appointment one year ago and it is in two weeks
>> (CDN health care may be mainly free but extremely slow in some
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> used year round when the asthma acts up only in the fall.    Oh well, he
> gets over it.  I guess I'm one of his difficult patients.

I must admit I am the same way, I have allergies and allergic asthma, one of
the allergens being cat dander. But the appearnac eof IBKFergus didn't
worsen (or better) my allergies. The worst thing has actually been moving
offices, and trying to convince a company that its my office and not
'something else' (ie, that they are not libel for) is exceptionally
difficult.

But yes, I'll only take my meds when I feel it necessary. If I notice I need
my inhalor more than just a couple of times a week, I start taking my
preventor, but drop it after a week or so and see how I go. I really don't
want to take drugs when unnecessary. I must admit I felt *wonderful* when
the doc put me on prednisone, but I certainly wouldn't want to take it
forever.

Yowie
Monique Y. Mudama - 13 Mar 2006 19:16 GMT
> She booked her allergist appointment one year ago and it is in two
> weeks (CDN health care may be mainly free but extremely slow in some
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> house.  He said the same thing to us about my son, though my son is
> holding out great so far.

Doctors in general seem to have no problem in telling people to get
rid of their pets on the slightest excuse.

I guess what I'm saying is, even though the doctor may be right, I
would take the recommendation with a grain of salt.

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glsummer@neptunelink.com - 12 Mar 2006 20:11 GMT
>My friend called last night in tears because her doc has suggested that she
>needs to re-home her husband's cat.  Smokey is 17 yo and has been with her
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>Susan M
>Otis and Chester

You got it.  I hope it can be worked out.  As an asthmatic/emphysemic
with 9 cats, I can say it *can* work, or at least it does for me.
Purrs that a solution can be found for your friend.

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Monique Y. Mudama - 13 Mar 2006 19:15 GMT
> I phoned her this AM and she and DH were having a very emotional
> discussion about it.  DH doesn't think anyone could possibly take
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Any good thoughts for them to find a good solution would be much
> appreciated.

Purrs for your friend, her DH, and Smokey.  This is a horrible
situation to be in, for all three.

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Bobcat - 14 Mar 2006 18:49 GMT
> My friend called last night in tears because her doc has suggested that
> she needs to re-home her husband's cat.  Smokey is 17 yo and has been with
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> Susan M
> Otis and Chester

I don't know if this is a "good thought" because each person's case is
unique, but I too have asthma - and three cats. Some years ago my family
doctor said I should get rid of the cats I had then, because I'd tested
allergic to them. I flatly refused, and decided to tough it out. Gradually,
over the years, my symptoms around the cats lessened.

Finally I went to a specialist, and told him my history. He said I must be
one of those people whose immune system to cat dander slowly kicks in, and
either for that or for some psychosomatic reason, my cat problem was
virtually gone.

But one thing had been clear all through the ordeal. Letting my cats go to
other people, or an institution, was never an option. Never.

For me, they're family.
Monique Y. Mudama - 14 Mar 2006 19:48 GMT
> Finally I went to a specialist, and told him my history. He said I
> must be one of those people whose immune system to cat dander slowly
> kicks in, and either for that or for some psychosomatic reason, my
> cat problem was virtually gone.

I thought allergies were an overreaction of the immune system ...
maybe your immune system slowly calmed down?

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Bobcat - 14 Mar 2006 23:22 GMT
>> Finally I went to a specialist, and told him my history. He said I
>> must be one of those people whose immune system to cat dander slowly
>> kicks in, and either for that or for some psychosomatic reason, my
>> cat problem was virtually gone.

> I thought allergies were an overreaction of the immune system ...
> maybe your immune system slowly calmed down?
> monique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully

My medical knowledge is less than that of the sum total of my three cats, so
I'm positive you're correct in this. Whatever happened, I now sleep
peacefully at nights with a clutch of small furry lumps on my bed. And
though I still occasionally resort to an asthma inhaler, I breathe freely -
except in very cold weather in this Canadian climate. But the cats don't
seem to play a part in this, bless 'em.
Monique Y. Mudama - 15 Mar 2006 00:25 GMT
> My medical knowledge is less than that of the sum total of my three
> cats, so I'm positive you're correct in this. Whatever happened, I
> now sleep peacefully at nights with a clutch of small furry lumps on
> my bed. And though I still occasionally resort to an asthma inhaler,
> I breathe freely - except in very cold weather in this Canadian
> climate. But the cats don't seem to play a part in this, bless 'em.

I've noticed that on very cold days, breathing outdoors causes me to
cough.  So this may have nothing to do with asthma; it's just your
insides going "dayum, it's cold!"

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Dan M - 15 Mar 2006 01:48 GMT
> I've noticed that on very cold days, breathing outdoors causes me to
> cough.  So this may have nothing to do with asthma; it's just your
> insides going "dayum, it's cold!"

That happens to me too! Usual cough remedies have no effect; it seems to
just be a spasm by the muscles responsible for coughing. Only thing I've
found that helps is to put a muffler or something over my mouth, and even
that doesn't help much.
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 14 Mar 2006 23:29 GMT
>> Finally I went to a specialist, and told him my history. He said I
>> must be one of those people whose immune system to cat dander slowly
>> kicks in, and either for that or for some psychosomatic reason, my
>> cat problem was virtually gone.

> I thought allergies were an overreaction of the immune system ...
> maybe your immune system slowly calmed down?

I was going to say the same thing!

Our understanding of the immune system is still pretty sketchy, and
it's still something of a mystery the way allergies can just come and
go. I guess you should just count your blessings! (The "count" being
3, I guess. :))

Joyce
polonca12000 - 14 Mar 2006 22:25 GMT
> My friend called last night in tears because her doc has suggested that she
> needs to re-home her husband's cat.  Smokey is 17 yo and has been with her
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> Susan M
> Otis and Chester

I do hope a solution can be found for your friend to feel better and for
the kitty to stay at the same time.
Lots and lots of purrs and best wishes,
Polonca and Soncek

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