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Susan M - 11 Mar 2006 18:29 GMT
Otis has been terrible at night again.  He gets up first at 2 AM and then at
6:30 AM.  My face and collar bone have little scratches from him trying to
get my attention.  Fred and I are exhausted all the time.

The boys have been in the basement for the last two nights and we've slept
really well.  I know I've written about this a lot and there's nothing new
here.  It's just sad to isolate them that way when we're so busy all day
with the kids.  The cats really want their nighttime attention and I love
the nighttime purrs and cuddles.  Just not the scratches!

Oh well, we'll do this for a while and see if we become human again.  We
might start to like being awake all day ;-)

Susan M
Otis and Chester
Marina - 11 Mar 2006 18:40 GMT
> Otis has been terrible at night again.  He gets up first at 2 AM and then at
> 6:30 AM.  My face and collar bone have little scratches from him trying to
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> Oh well, we'll do this for a while and see if we become human again.  We
> might start to like being awake all day ;-)

Sorry the situation is still so difficult. I suppose I should be
thankful for my little angels. The other night I did half wake up when
Miranda was standing on my chest and kneading me, but I fell right back
to sleep and just remembered it in the morning as a sweet dream (it was
real, though). Caliban has decided that I should wake up at 5.30 every
morning, but I'm an early bird anyway, so I don't mind. Besides, how can
I be mad at him when he comes up and snuggles to my face and kneads and
purrs his fuzzy little head off?

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Susan M - 11 Mar 2006 18:51 GMT
> Sorry the situation is still so difficult. I suppose I should be thankful
> for my little angels. The other night I did half wake up when Miranda was
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> when he comes up and snuggles to my face and kneads and purrs his fuzzy
> little head off?

That's the way we feel about Chester.  He wakes us up with his Kramer-like
slides onto the bed where he starts purring and kneading in his gentle way.
We don't mind being woken up by him.  Otis' methods are supremely irritating
(and painful).

Susan M
Otis and Chester
Marina - 11 Mar 2006 19:02 GMT
> That's the way we feel about Chester.  He wakes us up with his Kramer-like
> slides onto the bed

ROFL!!! This applies to Caliban, too.

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dnr - 11 Mar 2006 20:18 GMT
>> That's the way we feel about Chester.  He wakes us up with his
>> Kramer-like slides onto the bed
I've been very worried about Otis since you posted
he was barfing a lot. Glad to hear he's still annoying
you....long live Otis & Chester
Susan M - 12 Mar 2006 01:05 GMT
>>> That's the way we feel about Chester.  He wakes us up with his
>>> Kramer-like slides onto the bed
> I've been very worried about Otis since you posted
> he was barfing a lot. Glad to hear he's still annoying
> you....long live Otis & Chester

Awww - thanks.  Otis is still nauseated and still licks his lips.  I'm not
sure if I'll take him back to TED just yet though since he's not barfing and
he had a couple months of this once before.  He's had full blood work and
urine in the last few months too for his dental and he was healthy as can
be.  Poor little guy.

Susan M
Otis and Chester
Matthew AKA NMR ( NO MORE RETAIL ) - 11 Mar 2006 18:42 GMT
Sounds like a time for soft paws

> Otis has been terrible at night again.  He gets up first at 2 AM and then
> at 6:30 AM.  My face and collar bone have little scratches from him trying
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> Susan M
> Otis and Chester
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 12 Mar 2006 00:09 GMT
> Sounds like a time for soft paws

You mean those claw-covers you glue onto the natural claws?
 I was going to suggest those, but couldn't remember what
they were called.  I suppose it depends upon where you live,
but I don't think a basement is a very good environment for
a cat - too dark and too damp.  (Unless, of course, there's
a pet flap in one of the windows - but if you don't want
them to be indoor/outdoor, that's no solution either.)
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 12 Mar 2006 00:34 GMT
> > Sounds like a time for soft paws

> You mean those claw-covers you glue onto the natural claws?
> I was going to suggest those, but couldn't remember what
> they were called.  I suppose it depends upon where you live,
> but I don't think a basement is a very good environment for
> a cat - too dark and too damp.

I think he meant that Susan could put Soft Paws (or a similar product)
onto Otis, so when he tried to scratch her, it wouldn't actually break
the skin. And then he *wouldn't* need to be put into the basement!

Joyce
Susan M - 12 Mar 2006 01:12 GMT
> I think he meant that Susan could put Soft Paws (or a similar product)
> onto Otis, so when he tried to scratch her, it wouldn't actually break
> the skin. And then he *wouldn't* need to be put into the basement!

Well Joyce - Otis is a persistent boy and would find something else to do:D
He also paws open the closet doors, finds plastic bags and licks them and
makes a huge ruckus.  He walks on my throat, trying to do a cat paw
tracheotomy, he yowls, he knocks things off of the dressers, and, if you
don't pay attention, will eventually pee on the wall.  He hasn't done that
since we've started letting him out again and he seems ok in the basement so
far.  He's near the litter boxes down there and there's a bed with a big
comfy down quilt on top.  We're keeping fingers crossed on that one.

He's a real little monster sometimes!

Susan M
Otis and Chester
polonca12000 - 14 Mar 2006 21:51 GMT
>>I think he meant that Susan could put Soft Paws (or a similar product)
>>onto Otis, so when he tried to scratch her, it wouldn't actually break
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> Susan M
> Otis and Chester

You are so patient with Otis, Susan. Shutting him in the basement at
least a few nights a week is a must, since you *need* your sleep too,
Susan. And Otis has a nice bed there also, so he will be ok. Maybe you
can cuddle with the kitties *before* you all go to bed and first thing
in the morning.
Hugs,
Polonca and Soncek
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 12 Mar 2006 08:24 GMT
>  > Matthew AKA NMR ( NO MORE RETAIL ) wrote:
>
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> onto Otis, so when he tried to scratch her,  it wouldn't actually break
> the skin. And then he *wouldn't* need to be put into the basement!

Precisely!  (What did you think I THOUGHT he meant?)
Susan M - 12 Mar 2006 01:08 GMT
> You mean those claw-covers you glue onto the natural claws? I was going to
> suggest those, but couldn't remember what they were called.  I suppose it
> depends upon where you live, but I don't think a basement is a very good
> environment for a cat - too dark and too damp.  (Unless, of course,
> there's a pet flap in one of the windows - but if you don't want them to
> be indoor/outdoor, that's no solution either.)

We live in such a dry climate that the basement is nice and cosy - not damp
or icky like that so I think its healthy enough to be down there.  We can't
let the boys out at night here for safety reasons though - too much
wildlife.  They go out during certain hours in the daytime - after sunrise
and they're in before dusk.

Susan M
Otis and Chester
Susan M - 12 Mar 2006 01:06 GMT
> Sounds like a time for soft paws

Otis is an indoor/outdoor cat so I don't *think* that those would work.  I'd
want him to have a full set of sharp claws for safety reasons when he's out.
Besides, I'm sure he'd find some other surefire way to get my attention like
lying on top of my nose and mouth at the same time or something :-)

Susan M
Otis and Chester
Christina Websell - 11 Mar 2006 20:23 GMT
> Otis has been terrible at night again.  He gets up first at 2 AM and then
> at 6:30 AM.  My face and collar bone have little scratches from him trying
> to get my attention.  Fred and I are exhausted all the time.

I'm sorry to hear that Otis is still disturbing you in the night.

> The boys have been in the basement for the last two nights and we've slept
> really well.  I know I've written about this a lot and there's nothing new
> here.

I remember I replied once before ;-) when I said I don't allow my cats in my
bedroom.  It's out of bounds 24/7 as I don't want them to get used to going
in there.  There are allowed the run of the house otherwise.  I sleep very
badly anyway so I don't want the possibility of the cats waking me if I
happen to be asleep!

> It's just sad to isolate them that way when we're so busy all day with the
> kids.  The cats really want their nighttime attention and I >love the
> nighttime purrs and cuddles.  Just not the scratches!

I understand your feelings: but you need to sleep.  Continually disturbed
nights are bad for you.  How about putting the boys in the basement
Sunday-Thursday nights and letting them be with you on Friday & Saturday
night?  Then you could take turns napping in the day if you needed to.  Just
an idea for a compromise.

> Oh well, we'll do this for a while and see if we become human again.  We
> might start to like being awake all day ;-)

You can't really go on like this, can you?  Otis seems over-attached to you
and I can't help thinking that because you love him a lot and want him to be
happy, that you are "enabling" him to remain so.
It would be different if he would just snuggle up all night quietly with
you, but he doesn't..
My two seem quite happy to sleep downstairs at night, or on the spare bed in
the next bedroom.  They are rarely noisy, sometimes I hear them galumphing
around as if they are chasing each other and just occasionally Boyfie will
forget it's not a weekday and will meow outside my bedroom door at 7.15ish
to ask me if I realise that the alarm hasn't gone off and now I will be late
for work.  He's pretty good about this though, it's only once in a while.

I hope you find a solution, Susan.

Tweed
W. Leong - 12 Mar 2006 01:32 GMT
> I'm sorry to hear that Otis is still disturbing you in the night.
>
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> sleep very badly anyway so I don't want the possibility of the cats waking
> me if I happen to be asleep!

Rusty is not allowed in my bedroom either. He sleeps in his own room
with the door closed. I let him out first thing in the morning. One
time I got a complaint from a downstair neighbour about noises at 6 am.
It was Rusty jumping on and off a horizontal heating duct. Now he is
in a room where there is no furniture.
Rusty also snores in his sleep. When he was boarded at the vet, the vet tech
was surprised to hear his snores. She said she has never heard a cat snored
like that. I also has trouble sleeping so I can't sleep in the same room as
Rusty.

Winnie

> I understand your feelings: but you need to sleep.  Continually disturbed
> nights are bad for you.  How about putting the boys in the basement
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>
> Tweed
Helen Miles - 15 Mar 2006 01:29 GMT
occasionally Boyfie will
> forget it's not a weekday and will meow outside my bedroom door at 7.15ish
> to ask me if I realise that the alarm hasn't gone off and now I will be late
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>
> Tweed////

LOL! I have to SET the alarm for my crew when I'm away, otherwise they
don't bother to get out of bed when the petsitter comes to give them
breakfast. Hell, I have to set the alarm for them to get out of bed on
the weekend otherwise they don't get up!

Talk about having a solid routine in the mornings!

7am, alarm goes, mommy switches the snooze button on, no-one moves....
7.10am, Alarm goes off,mommy switches the snooze button on, no-one
moves....
7.20am... Alarm goes off,mommy switches the snooze button on, no-one
moves....
7.30am, Alarm goes off, OMG, we're running late, cats all suddenly wake
up and charge down to the kitchen, and yell for breakfast...
7.31am, we REALLY yell at mommy because she hasn't got down the stairs
yet, and OH MY GOD Mommy, our blood sugar is crashing and we're going to
faint from lack of food!

Helen M
Christina Websell - 26 Mar 2006 19:29 GMT
> occasionally Boyfie will
>> forget it's not a weekday and will meow outside my bedroom door at
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> breakfast. Hell, I have to set the alarm for them to get out of bed on
> the weekend otherwise they don't get up!

LOL!  Mine are always up before me, even in the week.

> 7am, alarm goes, mommy switches the snooze button on, no-one moves....
> 7.10am, Alarm goes off,mommy switches the snooze button on, no-one
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> yet, and OH MY GOD Mommy, our blood sugar is crashing and we're going to
> faint from lack of food!

The first part sounds like me.  6.45 a.m, snooze button. 6.54 a.m, snooze
button. 7.03  Aaargh!!  Get up immediately or will be late for work.
The cats are waiting downstairs.  My bedroom is out of bounds but the spare
bedroom (double bed with nice comfy quilt) is available 24/7.
It seems this is only okay if the back door is open overnight.
Boyfie kept me awake all night, meowing outside my bedroom because he had to
be kept in for *one night!* to keep him safe.
"Oh, I need to go out on rat patrol right now"
Go away.
"I need a wee desperately, let me out."
No, use the litter box I gave you and SHUT UP and let me get some sleep.
"I never wee inside der howse"
Just do it for once..
"No, meow, meow, meow/ ad infin.."  Until morning.  When he still couldn't
go out as the terriers had arrived, so he caved in and sat on the soil I'd
provided and peed for what seemed like 5 minutes.
Awww.
Poor chap, but I would rather he stayed in the house and had to pee where he
didn't really want to, than be killed by the terriers and they certainly
would kill him if they found him.  They are mean beasties, but bred for the
job they are supposed to do.  Kill.

Tweed
Victor Martinez - 11 Mar 2006 22:48 GMT
> Oh well, we'll do this for a while and see if we become human again.  We
> might start to like being awake all day ;-)

Purrs for Otis to calm down soon so he can be allowed in bed with mom
again. :)

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 11 Mar 2006 23:23 GMT
> Otis has been terrible at night again.  He gets up first at 2 AM
> and then at 6:30 AM.  My face and collar bone have little scratches
> from him trying to get my attention.  Fred and I are exhausted all
> the time.

I can imagine how exasperating as well as exhausting that must be.
Sometimes my cats disturb me in the middle of the night - usually it's
Smudge standing by the window (where my head is - right under the
bedroom window) and howling loudly, I guess wanting to go outside.

Usually, when that happens, I have to evict all the cats from the
bedroom, since it wouldn't make sense to keep two stuck in my room
just so I can shut Smudge out. (Occasionally, Roxy will remain
sound asleep during all of this, so I let her stay. She's usually
pretty well-behaved.)

In general, I trade off having the cats sleep with me, and having
catless nights. When they're not with me, I sleep much better, no
question about it. But I'd miss them if I never let them sleep with
me, so I tolerate less-than-perfect nights' sleep for the pleasure
of their company - usually on a night when I don't need to get up
at any particular time the next day (which is most days!).

One thing I wonder is, how does Fred feel about this? You are deeply
bonded with Otis, so even though it annoys you to have your sleep
disturbed, you also adore him. Does Fred get upset? He seems to
tolerate it pretty well, from how you tell it. Sounds like a really
difficult situation, all around.

But I think the idea of sometimes letting them sleep with you and
sometimes putting them in the basement might be the best compromise.
They might hate being stuck down there at night, but it's not *every*
night of their lives. And you might hate having your sleep disturbed,
but that's not every night of your life, either.

Purrs for peaceful nights for everyone!

Joyce

PS - I second the suggestion for Soft Paws for Otis. At least you
wouldn't get scratches all over you!

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