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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / March 2006Fez gets in hot coffee
I got an espresso maker for x-mas from my MIL, and most days I make myself a capuccino with breakfast. I often take my coffee to the computer to read my email, where I put the cup next to the mouse on my right. Today Fez was being his usual self, meowing pitifully to try and get some kibble for breakfast (we prefer if they finish their wet food before putting out kibble). He decided to be more assertive and jumped up on the desk, putting is right back paw *in* my freshly brewed (and very hot) capuccino and spilling it all over the place. Poor Fez, he got yelled at and he probably hurt a little with the hot coffee. I saw him licking his paw but he wasn't limping or anything, so I'm sure it wasn't serious. I need to remember to put my coffee where it can't be tipped over (or on) by a certain hungry cat. Victor, posting via google. >I got an espresso maker for x-mas from my MIL, and most days I make > myself a capuccino with breakfast. I often take my coffee to the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Victor, posting via google. Aw, poor Fez - and poor Victor (I know you feel terrible for yelling, but it was just a startle reflex). Fez should be fine - they no longer make coffee makers or cappuccino machines that will get liquids hot enough to cause a burn thanks to suit-happy lawyers here in the US. He was probably just licking the wet off. Purrs for all to have a calmer day.  SignatureHugs, CatNipped See all my masters at: http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped/ >> I got an espresso maker for x-mas from my MIL, and most days I make >> myself a capuccino with breakfast. I often take my coffee to the [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > liquids hot enough to cause a burn thanks to suit-happy lawyers here > in the US. You'd be wrong about that statement!! Until I went to take my classes for my insurance license I'd never had coffee at a McDonald's before. You remember them because I think you're citing that as case law. I was early for class one day so I ran into McDonald's and ordered a cup of coffee. It was so f***'ng hot I couldn't even take a sip of it without burning my tongue. My own coffee maker at home doesn't brew coffee this hot. Neither does the one at the Burger King next to the McD's. They apparently have this thing set for a gazillion degrees farenheit. I'd sue if I spilled this lava in my lap, too. Jill > > longer make coffee makers or cappuccino machines that will get > > liquids hot enough to cause a burn thanks to suit-happy lawyers here > > in the US. > You'd be wrong about that statement!! Until I went to take my classes for > my insurance license I'd never had coffee at a McDonald's before. You [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > this thing set for a gazillion degrees farenheit. I'd sue if I spilled this > lava in my lap, too. Thank you, Jill! It's so ironic that this particular case is the poster child for frivolous litigation, when the woman who sued McD's (and won) sustained serious injuries, and had no reason to expect that the drink she was handling was dangerously hot. And as to the question of "Why did this idiot put a hot cup of coffee between her legs in a moving car?", ask yourself this: would you put a cup of a *cold* drink in your lap in a car? Maybe, right? What's the worst that could happen - you might get wet. What about a lukewarm drink? Same thing. A hot drink? Well, probably not, but the worst that could happen, with a hot drink that's a *reasonable* temperature of hot, is that you might get a mild burn, and you'd be uncomfortable. You might have a sore red patch on your legs for a couple of days. Not something to sue anyone over. My point with the above has to do with the woman's expectations. She had the reasonable expectation that the worst that would happen is that she'd spill some of the hot coffee on her legs and get a mild burn - not an actionable injury. She was *not* expecting the coffee to be so hot that she would end up with 2nd-degree burns (or maybe even 3rd-degree, can't remember), requiring hospitalization and skin grafting. I think that's a reasonable expectation on her part. Certainly if the coffee was that dangerously hot, people should have been warned - I mean they're handling it in moving vehicles (at the drive-through), which isn't all that safe even if they don't put the cup in their lap. Not to mention that McD's had received numerous complaints about the temperature of the coffee previously, so it wasn't news to them - yet they continued to brew it at that temperature. If you want an an example of bad litigation (not to mention outrageous outcomes), what about that guy who broke into someone's house, hurt himself while he was there, sued the owners, and WON? What drugs were those jury members on?? Joyce How about the lawyer that brought the suit against McDonald for people getting fat eating fast food. Thank god some judge put them in their place about that. > > > longer make coffee makers or cappuccino machines that will get > > > liquids hot enough to cause a burn thanks to suit-happy lawyers here [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > Joyce > How about the lawyer that brought the suit against McDonald for people > getting fat eating fast food. Thank god some judge put them in their > place about that. Totally differerent situation. No one forces anyone to eat fast food. Okay, right, no one forces anyone to drink coffee. But that coffee I was served was *way* too hot. Jill >>>> longer make coffee makers or cappuccino machines that will get >>>> liquids hot enough to cause a burn thanks to suit-happy lawyers [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] >> >> Joyce > > How about the lawyer that brought the suit against McDonald for people > > getting fat eating fast food. Thank god some judge put them in their > > place about that. > Totally differerent situation. No one forces anyone to eat fast food. > Okay, right, no one forces anyone to drink coffee. But that coffee I was > served was *way* too hot. It's a matter of knowing what you're getting into. We all know that fast food has a lot of calories, so if you gain weight by eating a lot of it, you shouldn't be surprised. But I'm pretty sure that most people did not know that McD's coffee could cause burns requiring skin grafts. You can't make a responsible decision if you're not given all the facts. Joyce > It's a matter of knowing what you're getting into. We all know that > fast food has a lot of calories, so if you gain weight by eating a lot [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Joyce Perhaps it might not "require skin grafts" but any warm liquid in styrofoam, placed in a postition where it could spill onto your more "intimate" areas, might be expected to cause some discomfort! (Some "responsible decisions" only require a modicum of common sense, the precise "facts" aren't neccessary.) > Perhaps it might not "require skin grafts" but any warm > liquid in styrofoam, placed in a postition where it could > spill onto your more "intimate" areas, might be expected to > cause some discomfort! Yes, that's true - but I wouldn't sue anyone over discomfort. I might, however, sue someone if they handed me a liquid, through a drive-through window, that was so hot I would require hospitalization for the burns, and didn't warn me that the temperature was that dangerous. There is a *huge* difference between discomfort and even pain, and serious injury. I don't know about you, but I don't assume that anything a fast food restaurant gives me is going to put me in the hospital (LOL, at least not immediately - maybe in 20 years, if I keep eating the junk :)). And if that's not the case, that they would give me plenty of warning. One should be able to make the assumption that everyday activities are reasonably safe - that, for example, the public road you bicycle on *doesn't* have a 6-foot wide trench right in your path, that you can't see until you're taking a header right into it. And if there is such a trench - if, say, public works is digging up the road - there will be signs warning people away from the danger. We can't be expected to assume that every innocent act might land us in surgery. We'd go insane! Joyce > One should be able to make the assumption that everyday activities > are reasonably safe - that, for example, the public road you bicycle [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > expected to assume that every innocent act might land us in surgery. > We'd go insane! Sadly, motorcyclists have to watch for this kind of thing all the time, because road work that doesn't have much impact on cars can be extremely dangerous for motorcycles. The motorcycle newsgroups are full of stories of accidents or near-accidents resulting from lack of signage. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca 7 bikers are already dead this week during bike week in Florida due to stupidity >> One should be able to make the assumption that everyday activities >> are reasonably safe - that, for example, the public road you bicycle [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > full of stories of accidents or near-accidents resulting from lack of > signage. > > Perhaps it might not "require skin grafts" but any warm > > liquid in styrofoam, placed in a postition where it could [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > window, that was so hot I would require hospitalization for the burns, > and didn't warn me that the temperature was that dangerous. It might be argued that the drive-through clerk expected normal adult intelligence in a customer old enough to drive! (Clearly not true, in the case under discussion.) I wouldn't sue anyone over such an incident in ANY case! (But I was raised in a culture where one was expected to accept responsibility for one's own errors in judgment, not look for someone to sue over them.) >>How about the lawyer that brought the suit against McDonald for people >>getting fat eating fast food. Thank god some judge put them in their [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Okay, right, no one forces anyone to drink coffee. But that coffee I was > served was *way* too hot. Believe it or not, Jill, some people actually LIKE their coffee so hot they have to let it cool before drinking it! (And it's a lot easier to give it time to cool than to persuade a restaurant to heat it up again!) >>> How about the lawyer that brought the suit against McDonald for >>> people getting fat eating fast food. Thank god some judge put them [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > (And it's a lot easier to give it time to cool than to > persuade a restaurant to heat it up again!) I believe that, but honestly, if you'd tried to take a sip of this stuff without sitting for 15 minutes first letting it cool you'd have gotten a nasty burn on your tongue. Maybe some folks have the luxury of sitting doing nothing for 15 minutes in a McDonald's. I had 15 minutes before I needed to be in class across the street, not 15 minutes to sit and stare out the window before sipping my java... er, lava. :) Jill I have to say this I don't eat that type of fast food. I found that when I stopped eating it I felt better felt more energetic. about the only fast food I will get is a hot dog or a pizza hand made only >>>> How about the lawyer that brought the suit against McDonald for >>>> people getting fat eating fast food. Thank god some judge put them [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Jill > I have to say this I don't eat that type of fast food. I found that > when I stopped eating it I felt better felt more energetic. about > the only fast food I will get is a hot dog or a pizza hand made only Who said anything about fast food? I was talking about a cup of coffee! Jill >>>>> How about the lawyer that brought the suit against McDonald for >>>>> people getting fat eating fast food. Thank god some judge put [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> >> Jill but it is from McDonalds < puke> is what I am talking about I meant I don't even go there for anything >> I have to say this I don't eat that type of fast food. I found that >> when I stopped eating it I felt better felt more energetic. about [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >>> >>> Jill > And as to the question of "Why did this idiot put a hot cup of coffee > between her legs in a moving car?", ask yourself this: would you put a [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > they continued to brew it at that temperature. > Joyce Good observations, Joyce, but my fuzzy opinion is that there are very few vehicles manufactured in USA (dunno re other countries) that don't have at least one form of "cup-holder" somewhere near driver's seat. My vehicle has 4 cup-holders, all within easy reach for me. I drive all the time with hot, tepid, freezing liquids in drive-up cups of various sizes, and the only b**** I ever have is that Starbucks and Einstein lids slop coffee out the little hole in cap you drink from (but not a whole lot). I think this woman was a few sandwiches short of a picnic mentally, as I personally would *never* place any cup near my legs, even as a passenger and not needing to shift gears....but she didn't need to be smart to get all that $ from the fast-food giant. Her attorney firm did the work for her..... sometimes I think cats have more common sense than hoomins..... > > And as to the question of "Why did this idiot put a hot cup of coffee > > between her legs in a moving car?", ask yourself this: would you put a [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > sometimes I think cats have more common sense than > hoomins..... I agree. I could possibly stretch my imagination to understanding someone placing a rigid cup between their legs, but a styrofoam cup? No way! Styrofoam cups are not stable, and putting a Styrofoam cup of any liquid between your legs is asking for a spill. Also, if I ordered hot coffee, I'd expect it to be hot. Any coffee that is hot enough to drink is hot enough that I don't want it spilled on me. Joy Did they win the appeal on it I know they had to put that warning on it warning hot can cause burns and no offense anyone that orders a cup of hot coffee and it is in a Styrofoam cup knows the coffee is hot and to be careful. I think what that lawsuit was about was the lid was not on completely and when they put it down between their legs it spilled. I don't remember the exact details but I do remember think what a putz for not know it was hot when they did it I have all the sympathy for a person that is overweight. Food is the hardest addiction to ever beat it is stronger than smoking or crack. People turn to it calls to you even as you sit here reading this. It is shown and heard more times a day that you take a breath. I know I have before and I used to be big. My comfort food was devil's food cake with white frosting cookies < whimpering for one right now>. But my sympathy stops the moment someone starts to blame someone else for their problem. Yes it is a disease and has to be fought by you and you will need professional help to do it. But no one forced anyone to shove a *supersized *big Mac super sized fries and supersized coke * down your throat. You knew it was bad for you it was your choice to do it your responsibility >> > And as to the question of "Why did this idiot put a hot cup of coffee >> > between her legs in a moving car?", ask yourself this: would you put a [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > Joy > Did they win the appeal on it > I know they had to put that warning on it warning hot can cause burns Well, in our litigious society, they have to print warnings against doing all sorts of things that used to be considered just plain common sense. (Like telling people to avoid getting a screw-driver too close to their eyes, because it might cause injury....duh.) > But my sympathy stops the moment someone starts to blame someone else for > their problem. Exactly! What ever happened to "personal responsibility"? Nowadays it seems most everyone is looking for someone else to blame for his/her own mistakes! Evelyn do you want a good laugh on a chainsaw there is a warning not to be stop with your private parts <ouch> http://members.aol.com/ilovemy65stang/indexesses.html read and get a good laugh >> Did they win the appeal on it >> I know they had to put that warning on it warning hot can cause burns [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > seems most everyone is looking for someone else to blame for his/her own > mistakes! > Evelyn do you want a good laugh on a chainsaw there is a warning not to be > stop with your private parts > <ouch> LOL!! Too good! My favourite is the toilet plunger; 'do not use near power lines' what the??? I can just imagine some lunatic dancing up and down under a power pole, yelling, 'look at me! I'm using my toilet plunger near power lines! Huh? wotcha gonna do about it? huh? ' then getting hit by an unexpected bolt of lightening, just for doing such a clearly evil thing. http://members.aol.com/ilovemy65stang/indexesses.html read and get a good > laugh >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> seems most everyone is looking for someone else to blame for his/her own >> mistakes! > Evelyn do you want a good laugh on a chainsaw there is a warning not to be > stop with your private parts > <ouch> > http://members.aol.com/ilovemy65stang/indexesses.html read and get a good > laugh I especially like the "Remove label before placing in microwave" for the champagne! (Seems to me that would be the LEAST of your problems, if you tried to microwave a fizzy drink - especially without uncorking the bottle, first!) > I especially like the "Remove label before placing in microwave" for > the champagne! (Seems to me that would be the LEAST of your > problems, if you tried to microwave a fizzy drink - especially > without uncorking the bottle, first!) I tried to microwave a hard boiled egg in the shell recently ... I won't be trying that again! Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca I do it all the time but I use something called a egg cooker >> I especially like the "Remove label before placing in microwave" for >> the champagne! (Seems to me that would be the LEAST of your [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I won't be trying that again! >> I especially like the "Remove label before placing in microwave" for >> the champagne! (Seems to me that would be the LEAST of your [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I won't be trying that again! ROFL! Bit messy and explosive, huh? Next time pop it into some boiling water for a couple of minutes. ;-) Tweed >> I tried to microwave a hard boiled egg in the shell recently ... >> >> I won't be trying that again! > > ROFL! Bit messy and explosive, huh? Next time pop it into some > boiling water for a couple of minutes. ;-) Yup, a bit! That's a good idea. Thanks. It was refrigerated and I just wanted it to not be quite so cold ... At least it was hardboiled, not soft ... Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca you need ones of these http://www.harrietcarter.com/Detail.cfm?pth=33&Cat=3&prod=5511&sr=120 and these http://wonderfulbuys.com/eggcellentcooker.asp?source=googleI&prod=eggcellentcooker >>> I tried to microwave a hard boiled egg in the shell recently ... >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > At least it was hardboiled, not soft ... > you need ones of these > http://www.harrietcarter.com/Detail.cfm?pth=33&Cat=3&prod=5511&sr=120 > and these > http://wonderfulbuys.com/eggcellentcooker.asp?source=googleI&prod=eggcellentcooker Not really ... I'm especially baffled by the second one. "Tired of boiling eggs?" it asks ... er ... no? You put the eggs in a pot with some water, boil, let sit ... what is so hard about this? Looks like a solution looking for a problem to me. Actually, the first one is even odder. "retains flavor-enhancing oxygen" ... .... ... WTF? Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca It takes about 5 to 6 minutes to boils eggs in the microwave compared to how long the other way >> you need ones of these >> http://www.harrietcarter.com/Detail.cfm?pth=33&Cat=3&prod=5511&sr=120 [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > WTF? I think it had to deal with cooking in the microwave you know food losing its flavor by being cooked in the microwave > monique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully > > pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > It takes about 5 to 6 minutes to boils eggs in the microwave compared to > how long the other way Uhhh.... three minutes? (I like 'em soft-boiled.) > I think it had to deal with cooking in the microwave you know food losing > its flavor by being cooked in the microwave Huh? One reason I use the microwave so much is that food does NOT lose its flavor that way, whereas reheating it on the stove, it does. (And IMO fresh veggies are even better microwaved than steamed.) > Huh? One reason I use the microwave so much is that food does NOT > lose its flavor that way, whereas reheating it on the stove, it > does. (And IMO fresh veggies are even better microwaved than > steamed.) Some folks are now claiming that nuking foods leaches nutrients. http://www.straightdope.com/columns/050506.html Apparently, the jury's still out. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > Exactly! What ever happened to "personal responsibility"? > Nowadays it seems most everyone is looking for someone else > to blame for his/her own mistakes! It's hardly an either/or situation. I have personal responsibilty for spilling my coffee (if I drank coffee, and unless someone ran into me from behind or something) but someone who sells coffee hot enough to cause severe burns requiring hospitalization also has responsibility for their actions, especially when coffee is not necessarily sold at that temperature and (if I remember the case correctly) they know previous customers have been injured by their hot coffee The court case is merely to decide how much of the responsibility is with the spillee and how much with the company that decided to serve dangerously hot coffee. There are and always have been people who want to blame others for their mistakes. In my experience, though, sometimes the individual who is suffering is to blame, 100%. But more often, there's lots of blame to go around. SignatureCheryl >> Exactly! What ever happened to "personal responsibility"? >> Nowadays it seems most everyone is looking for someone else to >> blame for his/her own mistakes! That includes companies and individuals who should step up and take responsibility, too. Take the too-hot coffee example. If the company had instantly apologized and offered to pay for the treatment of the injuries, I bet the law suit wouldn't have happened. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > >> Exactly! What ever happened to "personal responsibility"? > >> Nowadays it seems most everyone is looking for someone else to > >> blame for his/her own mistakes! > That includes companies and individuals who should step up and take > responsibility, too. Take the too-hot coffee example. If the company > had instantly apologized and offered to pay for the treatment of the > injuries, I bet the law suit wouldn't have happened. The phrase "personal responsibility" is a code phrase for "Corporations should be able to do whatever they please, and if someone is injured or otherwise receives damage from their products or behavior, the company is not liable." It also means, "Stop whining about oppression and discrimination. You have as much control over your personal situation as anyone else." So it's used to argue against Affirmative Action or other corrective social policies. This phrase is a mantra on the Right. It's about completely removing the social and economic contexts in which situations occur, and simply looking at the individuals involved, to make judgements. In some people's case, I believe they genuinely cannot see the differences in people's circumstances, nor the barriers some people face that others do not. It's hard to see a barrier when you're on the "free" side of it. But for some people, it's a matter of deliberate blindness. They don't want to know, or they simply don't care whether other people have less access to resources, or more obstacles in their way, than they do. Why can't those whiners stop blaming society and take personal responsibility? Joyce > The phrase "personal responsibility" is a code phrase for "Corporations > should be able to do whatever they please, and if someone is injured or > otherwise receives damage from their products or behavior, the company > is not liable." No, it's an aknowledgement that "If I do something stupid, and get hurt in the process, I've only myself to blame." > It also means, "Stop whining about oppression and discrimination. You > have as much control over your personal situation as anyone else." So > it's used to argue against Affirmative Action or other corrective social > policies. That's a totally different subject, Joyce. One has control over one's OWN behaviour. That hardly includes others' actions based on one's skin color or national origins. (But SFAIK, McDonalds was among the first NOT to discriminate, either in service or hiring policies.) >> The phrase "personal responsibility" is a code phrase for >> "Corporations should be able to do whatever they please, and if [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > No, it's an aknowledgement that "If I do something stupid, and get > hurt in the process, I've only myself to blame." I think it's used in both senses. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > It's hardly an either/or situation. I have personal responsibilty for > spilling my coffee (if I drank coffee, and unless someone ran into me [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > that temperature and (if I remember the case correctly) they know > previous customers have been injured by their hot coffee You remember correctly. The whole story is here: http://www.stellaawards.com/stella.html, as part of Randy Cassingham's page of frivolous lawsuits. Stella Liebeck's case was most definitely *not* frivolous, and she only sued when McDonald's refused to pay the $20,000 medical costs involved. (quote) # From 1982 to 1992, McDonald's coffee burned more than 700 people, usually slightly but sometimes seriously, resulting in some number of other claims and lawsuits. (end quote) The quoted reports of her injuries say variously 6 to 16 percent of total body surface area, which is enough to be fatal, and especially dangerous in the elderly. Oops, where did this soapbox come from? Somebody musta pushed one of my buttons. Chak SignatureI would like at least one political party in this country to be willing to say that sex is fun and an important part of being human. --PZ Myers, http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/ > Good observations, Joyce, but my fuzzy opinion is that there are > very few vehicles manufactured in USA (dunno re other countries) > that don't have at least one form of "cup-holder" somewhere near > driver's seat. My 1991 Ford Probe LX had zero cupholders. It was a real pain on road trips. (Also noisy as hell and not terribly comfortable, but that's another issue.) My 2004 Subaru WRX wagon has two cupholders in the front, both of which are poorly placed and one of which doesn't seem terribly stable. I'm sure there are plenty of vehicles on the road that either don't have cupholders or have sub-optimal cupholders. I think it's BMW that states the opinion that you should be in the car to drive, not to sip coffee. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca >> Good observations, Joyce, but my fuzzy opinion is that there are >> very few vehicles manufactured in USA (dunno re other countries) [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > states the opinion that you should be in the car to drive, not to sip > coffee. I have never had a car with a cup holder. I don't know what it is that made me get these cars! So frustrating not having a cup holder. But our new car in Australia has 5 cupholders. We made damn sure of that before committing! ;-) SignatureBritta Purring is an automatic safety valve device for dealing with happiness overflow. Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album > made me get these cars! So frustrating not having a cup holder. But > our new car in Australia has 5 cupholders. We made damn sure of that > before committing! ;-) Wait, 5? 1 for you, 1 for Dennis and 1 for Vino. You've got 2 extra! SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com >> made me get these cars! So frustrating not having a cup holder. But >> our new car in Australia has 5 cupholders. We made damn sure of that >> before committing! ;-) > > Wait, 5? 1 for you, 1 for Dennis and 1 for Vino. You've got 2 extra! LOL! I can just see Vino in the back, in his "kitty" seat, sipping on a latte ;-) SignatureBritta Purring is an automatic safety valve device for dealing with happiness overflow. Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album > I'm sure there are plenty of vehicles on the road that either don't > have cupholders or have sub-optimal cupholders. I think it's BMW that > states the opinion that you should be in the car to drive, not to sip > coffee. ....Or use a cell-phone, or rearrange articles on the passenger seat, or quarrel with your husband..... :-) >> I'm sure there are plenty of vehicles on the road that either don't >> have cupholders or have sub-optimal cupholders. I think it's BMW [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > ....Or use a cell-phone, or rearrange articles on the passenger > seat, or quarrel with your husband..... :-) Well, ideally we'd all be focusing on our driving. There would be a lot fewer accidents that way. Of course, there's an obvious counter argument when it comes to cup holders. If you're going to be transporting coffee in your car anyway, it's a lot less distracting having it in a cup holder than in your hands or between your thighs. I don't think it's a coincidence that the latest Allstate ad depicts a guy getting into an accident while drinking coffee and driving ... Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca >>>I'm sure there are plenty of vehicles on the road that either don't >>>have cupholders or have sub-optimal cupholders. I think it's BMW [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > I don't think it's a coincidence that the latest Allstate ad depicts a > guy getting into an accident while drinking coffee and driving ... Is that the driver with a cup of coffee in one hand and a cell-phone in the other? >> I don't think it's a coincidence that the latest Allstate ad >> depicts a guy getting into an accident while drinking coffee and >> driving ... > > Is that the driver with a cup of coffee in one hand and a cell-phone > in the other? I only remember the coffee, and I'd think I would remember the phone ... maybe two different ads? Or maybe I just missed it. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca >>>I don't think it's a coincidence that the latest Allstate ad >>>depicts a guy getting into an accident while drinking coffee and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I only remember the coffee, and I'd think I would remember the phone > ... maybe two different ads? Or maybe I just missed it. Sorry, I left off the smiley! ;-) (I think that particular "ad" was on a comedy show - but unfortunately a bit too close to the truth, sometimes.) >> I'm sure there are plenty of vehicles on the road that either don't >> have cupholders or have sub-optimal cupholders. I think it's BMW that >> states the opinion that you should be in the car to drive, not to sip >> coffee. > ....Or use a cell-phone, or rearrange articles on the passenger seat, or > quarrel with your husband..... :-) So.....Beemers don't have cup-holders? ROFL. I buy USA-produced vehicles.My bad. I wonder what a "sub-optimal" cup-holder would be like. Mine are optimal, LOL. All 4. >>> I'm sure there are plenty of vehicles on the road that either don't >>> have cupholders or have sub-optimal cupholders. I think it's BMW that [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >would be like. Mine are optimal, LOL. >All 4. I have a 1991 Chevrolet Caprice station wagon. It has one built-in cup-holder, with room for two cups. One side of it has a square opening, with a notch for a handle, and is presumably designed for a ceramic coffee mug such as you would use indoors. The other side has a circular opening, which fits most travel mugs and most fast-food cold-drink cups. I have found that some restaurants use Styrofoam cups that are too large to fit into the circular opening, and too small to fit securely into the square opening. I have also found, with messy results, that large cold-drink cups are top-heavy enough that they can easily topple out of the cup-holder unless I rest one hand on the cup while turning tight corners. Since going around a tight corner generally means that I need both hands for the steering wheel, I try not to drive with large cups in the car. SignatureJohn F. Eldredge -- john@jfeldredge.com PGP key available from http://pgp.mit.edu "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria >>> I'm sure there are plenty of vehicles on the road that either don't >>> have cupholders or have sub-optimal cupholders. I think it's BMW that [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > would be like. Mine are optimal, LOL. > All 4. Well, BMWs do have cup holders now. But they generally figure you should be enjoying your "ultimate driving machine." I drove a Ford Probe for several years. No cupholders. If the USA could produce a vehicle that could touch my WRX wagon in handling, acceleration, and AWD while still having enough room inside and on top for skis, mountain bikes, dogs, etc., maybe I'd take a look. To be honest, in my last car search, not a single vehicle was from a US manufacturer. It's not that I wouldn't drive a US-made vehicle; I just couldn't find one that fit my criteria. Unfortunately, one cupholder is right behind the shifter and the other pulls out from the dash (so is slightly floppy), but I'll take crappy cupholders in exchange for the stuff I like. (In a few years, I may get the turbo version of the Outback wagon, and that does have four cupholders. It has a lot of amenities that my car doesn't have, presumably because it's more "luxury" and less "sport"). Based on the desperation in ads from US manufacturers lately, I must be one of many people who can't find anything decent produced by the US. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > Good observations, Joyce, but my fuzzy opinion is that there > are very few vehicles manufactured in USA (dunno re other > countries) that don't have at least one form of "cup-holder" > somewhere near driver's seat. My vehicle has 4 cup-holders, > all within easy reach for me. And if your car doesn't have some built in, you can get the kind tha hook over the window-frame. > I think this woman was a few sandwiches short of a picnic > mentally, as I personally would *never* place any cup > near my legs, even as a passenger and not needing to > shift gears.... Liquids in styrofoam and/or paper cups are definitely NOT very stable - even a cold drink perched in your lap could spill and stain your clothing! > sometimes I think cats have more common sense than > hoomins..... You have any doubt? > Thank you, Jill! It's so ironic that this particular case is the poster > child for frivolous litigation, when the woman who sued McD's (and won) > sustained serious injuries, and had no reason to expect that the drink > she was handling was dangerously hot. But how many people are dumb enough to try to juggle a plastic cup of liquid in their laps? (Hot or cold is immaterial - it's still not a very smart thing to do, and can make a mess and stain your clothing, even if it doesn't burn you.) I'll grant you the drip-style coffee-makers don't make coffee as hot as many of us would like it (although cafetieres can, if you use REALLY boiling water). For proper hot (and strong) coffee, nothing beats the old-fashioned percolator, or simply adding coffee to cold water, brtinging it to a boil, and letting it simmer until it's a strong as you want it. >>> I got an espresso maker for x-mas from my MIL, and most days I make >>> myself a capuccino with breakfast. I often take my coffee to the [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Jill Oh, I'm not saying she didn't deserve reimbursement - she *was* seriously burned. I'm just bummed that ever since then you can't get a really hot cup of coffee anywhere and even the home coffee makers you buy today don't get the coffee really hot. I *HATE* lukewarm coffee - I have to put my mug in the microwave as soon as it's finished brewing! Because of lawyers we no longer have: high diving boards at public pools (or public pools for that matter that will stay open without a lifeguard on duty), doctors who will make a diagnosis without 20 different confirming tests (but we *do* have astronomical healthcare costs in order to cover the costs of malpractice insurance), playground equipment that will go high or fast or is in any way *fun* to play on, *TONS* of medicines that were perfect for most people but caused some side-effects in a few, etc., etc., etc. Anyone else want to play the game of what else lawyers have gotten banned because of frivolous lawsuits? SignatureHugs, CatNipped See all my masters at: http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped/ >>>> I got an espresso maker for x-mas from my MIL, and most days I make >>>> myself a capuccino with breakfast. I often take my coffee to the [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > get the coffee really hot. I *HATE* lukewarm coffee - I have to put > my mug in the microwave as soon as it's finished brewing! The Burger King across from the McD's had nicely hot coffee but not coffee that would burn off your mustache when you didn't have a mustache to begin with! Jill > Because of lawyers we no longer have: high diving boards at public pools > (or public pools for that matter that will stay open without a lifeguard on [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > etc. Anyone else want to play the game of what else lawyers have gotten > banned because of frivolous lawsuits? Off the top of my head, because of lawyers we no longer have children's pyjamas that are highly flammable and melt into the skin, and we no longer have cars that explode upon slight impact. Maybe you miss them. And insurance costs? Lawsuits are filed when insurance companies refuse to pay claims under policies for which they have collected premiums, month after month, year after year. Insurance companies are *not* nonprofit enterprises; they make huge profits and pay their top executives enormous salaries. But what they charge for premiums is somehow the fault of some poor soul mangled by a bad doctor? No. Someone who had to pay for more surgery to fix the first doctor's mistake, and who was out of work for months because of the doctor's mistake, and was facing losing everything they owned because of the doctor's mistake, and had to hire a lawyer to get a dime out of the insurance policy *bought for that very purpose* is not the bad guy, and neither is his lawyer who by the time it goes to trial has worked for years on the case and has advanced many thousands (yes, really) for expenses. My DH is a lawyer; this is not the kind of work he does, but we know better than to believe the lines currently being fed to the American people by the demagogues, and which apparently the American people are believing. I don't want my next car to be a Pinto. ------ Krista Temporarily delurking Off the top of my head, because of lawyers we no longer have children's > pyjamas that are highly flammable and melt into the skin, and we no > longer have cars that explode upon slight impact. Maybe you miss them. > Krista > Temporarily delurking Hey, I agree about the Pinto. But when's the last time *you* bought kid's jammies? I buy some about every month or so, my grandbaby is growing so fast outa her clothes.....evidently *foreign-made* jammy products are exempt from the flammable-jammy no-no, as much of what I buy (not many USA-jammy-makers, like all clothing mfg., outsourced overseas products) has a label or sewn-in tag stating "not flameproof" or similar wording! Plain as day. Guess USA law doesn't apply to them. Check it out. These foreign-made jammies are *everywhere*. > Hey, I agree about the Pinto. But when's the last time *you* bought > kid's jammies? I buy some about every month or so, my grandbaby [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > as day. Guess USA law doesn't apply to them. Check it out. > These foreign-made jammies are *everywhere*. I wasn't aware of that - bummer. I never buy any kid jammies; all my kids have four feet and sleep in the nude. ;-) ------ Krista > Hey, I agree about the Pinto. But when's the last time *you* bought >> kid's jammies? I buy some about every month or so, my grandbaby [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > the nude. ;-) > Krista ROFL too bad grandbaby can't sleep like *your* babies; I'd save $ buying toddler clothes! But much too cold here anyway; that's why my dowager cat sleeps on my head (she probably thinks, "dam*** hoomins only have usable fur on top their heads; how can they stand going outside?") Yeah, the clothing mfgrs. have all kinds of sneaky ways, probably legit, of getting around the "flaming jammies" mandate....I've even seen on the few domestic-made pairs we've bought, "not flame-retardant after laundering" and similar. Now isn't that a good one? Either never wash the jammies....or else The good news: here where sleepovers are frequent from grandbaby, newish electric stove/oven has *all* control knobs way up top, back just under range hood. Her parents have had to remove the knobs from their very old gas stove/oven (knobs right above kid's eye level now, out front) and keep a hawk eye on her in kitchen.Evidently lawyers (BTW my brother is one, but all his lawyer friends laugh at him because he's worked for Justice Dept. for many years....no $ there) might have had a hand in the improvements in stove knob locations. Why else would they have moved them? > him because he's worked for Justice Dept. for many years....no $ > there) might have had a hand in the improvements in stove knob > locations. Why else would they have moved them? I used to be really annoyed at the "new" (probably 10 or more years old now) window buttons in cars ... until I found out they are intended to keep kids (and dogs, I suppose) from pushing on the controls and strangling themselves on the window. I guess that I can sacrifice some ergonomics for that. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > The good news: here where sleepovers are > frequent from grandbaby, newish electric stove/oven [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > improvements in stove knob locations. Why else > would they have moved them? Just plain common sense, on the part of the manufacturers? (NAW ... possible, but unlikely!) >> Hey, I agree about the Pinto. But when's the last time *you* bought >> kid's jammies? I buy some about every month or so, my grandbaby [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I never buy any kid jammies; all my kids have four feet and sleep in > the nude. ;-) I've only got two feet but I sleep in the nude. ;-) SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera) A House is not a home, without a cat. http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk >>> Hey, I agree about the Pinto. But when's the last time *you* bought >>> kid's jammies? I buy some about every month or so, my grandbaby [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > I've only got two feet but I sleep in the nude. ;-) I sleep in the nude too, but Vino never does. He always has his fur coat on ;-) SignatureBritta Purring is an automatic safety valve device for dealing with happiness overflow. Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album TOO MUCH INFORMATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <I'm Blind> >>>> Hey, I agree about the Pinto. But when's the last time *you* bought >>>> kid's jammies? I buy some about every month or so, my grandbaby [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > I sleep in the nude too, but Vino never does. He always has his fur coat > on ;-) > I sleep in the nude too, but Vino never does. He always has his fur > coat on ;-) I can't sleep naked. I have to have a t-shirt, underwear and shorts or pants. Even plain undies makes it hard for me to fall asleep for some reason. Now Tom, OTOH... SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com I always have a pair of shorts on. Years ago before I moved into this current house we used to sleep in the buff. Well one night all heck broke loose a deer crashed thru the screen porch it started busted up against the glass door going nuts trying to get out well you can imagine the furballs reactions. I came running out of the bedroom to see what the heck was the problem it was 4 am. I see the deer go running out the side door to yank open the screen door to try in get it out the alarm is going off, security lights going on. I come back into the house to be met by my family and some sleep over friends who my DW lets out a comment did we forget something. Ever since than a pair of shorts >> I sleep in the nude too, but Vino never does. He always has his fur coat >> on ;-) > > I can't sleep naked. I have to have a t-shirt, underwear and shorts or > pants. Even plain undies makes it hard for me to fall asleep for some > reason. Now Tom, OTOH... >> I sleep in the nude too, but Vino never does. He always has his >> fur coat on ;-) > > I can't sleep naked. I have to have a t-shirt, underwear and shorts > or pants. Even plain undies makes it hard for me to fall asleep for > some reason. Now Tom, OTOH... If it's warm enough, I'm fine sleeping in the nude ... but I'm almost always cold, so more typically, I wear long PJ bottoms, a long sleeved shirt with a tee underneath, and socks. Especially socks. Can't seem to sleep without them ... Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca >> I sleep in the nude too, but Vino never does. He always has his fur >> coat on ;-) > > I can't sleep naked. I have to have a t-shirt, underwear and shorts or > pants. Even plain undies makes it hard for me to fall asleep for some > reason. Now Tom, OTOH... Wow, that's a lot of clothes! I couldn't handle that at all. The reason I started to sleep in the nude is because when I was a little girl, my mom used to make me these long nighties. I toss and turn a lot and I would constantly be waking up with the nightie all twisted up under my armpits. So I started taking it off and ejecting the offending nightie out of the bed. Eventually I never bothered to put it on in the first place. Now I'm used to wearing nothing. But I do keep a robe on the back of the bedroom door, in case I have to rush out in the middle of the night. SignatureBritta Purring is an automatic safety valve device for dealing with happiness overflow. Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album > Wow, that's a lot of clothes! I couldn't handle that at all. The > reason I started to sleep in the nude is because when I was a little [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the back of the bedroom door, in case I have to rush out in the middle > of the night. I love nightgowns, and wear them all the time. I did, briefly, sleep in the nude when I lived in a much hotter climate than I do now. Back home, I like keeping the house cool (some would say cold) and wear nightgowns and pile on the covers in the winter. Even our summers don't get really hot, so I just reduce the covers and wear a lighter nightie. SignatureCheryl > Wow, that's a lot of clothes! I couldn't handle that at all. The > reason I started to sleep in the nude is because when I was a little [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the back of the bedroom door, in case I have to rush out in the middle > of the night. I'm the same as you, I can't stand having clothes on when I sleep because they get twisted uncomfortably, even if you don't toss and turn a lot. Just change sides once, and it's strangling you. ;o) What I hate most of all is wearing socks to bed. They try to make you wear socks in hospital here, and I had to spend a lot of time in hospital as a kid. The nurses always made me put socks on for bed, but I'd always slip them off after lights-out. Every time I have to stay in hospital, the nurses are very surprised when they see I don't wear socks to bed, but now that I'm grown up I know I don't have to obey them. It's bad enough that you have to wear nightwear in hospital. ;o) SignatureMarina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki. marina (dot) kurten (at) iki (dot) fi Stories and pics at http://koti.welho.com/mkurten/ Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki >> Wow, that's a lot of clothes! I couldn't handle that at all. The >> reason I started to sleep in the nude is because when I was a little [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >I'm grown up I know I don't have to obey them. It's bad enough that you >have to wear nightwear in hospital. ;o) In my hospital experience (mostly at one particular hospital), the socks they want you to wear have rubber strips on the soles, so that they are less slippery than bare feet or regular socks. This is intended to make it less likely that you will fall if you get out of bed. SignatureJohn F. Eldredge -- john@jfeldredge.com PGP key available from http://pgp.mit.edu "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria > In my hospital experience (mostly at one particular hospital), the > socks they want you to wear have rubber strips on the soles, so that > they are less slippery than bare feet or regular socks. This is > intended to make it less likely that you will fall if you get out of > bed. At our hospitals, they hand out sturdy slippers as well as the socks, but I guess it would be possible to slip and fall while going for the slippers, if they weren't right by the bed. SignatureMarina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki. marina (dot) kurten (at) iki (dot) fi Stories and pics at http://koti.welho.com/mkurten/ Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki TOO MUCH INFORMATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <I'm Blind> <Hey where am I all I can see is white legs must be in Florida during snow bird season> ;-) >>> Hey, I agree about the Pinto. But when's the last time *you* bought >>> kid's jammies? I buy some about every month or so, my grandbaby [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > I've only got two feet but I sleep in the nude. ;-) >>>Hey, I agree about the Pinto. But when's the last time *you* bought >>>kid's jammies? I buy some about every month or so, my grandbaby [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > I've only got two feet but I sleep in the nude. ;-) I used to - until the earthquake of 1970-something, which happened about five A.M.! (If I was likely to find myself rushing for safety on such short notice, I decided it would be better to do so in at least a minimum of clothing.) >>>> Hey, I agree about the Pinto. But when's the last time *you* bought >>>> kid's jammies? I buy some about every month or so, my grandbaby [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > rushing for safety on such short notice, I decided it would > be better to do so in at least a minimum of clothing.) That reminds me of the time I was staying at an aunts, I was taking a bath and there was a mild earthquake. I heard her laughing, when I came down the stairs a little while later I asked what she was laughing about, she said she expected me to come running down the stairs in the nude. :-) SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy and Bagheera) A House is not a home, without a cat. http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk > I used to - until the earthquake of 1970-something, which happened > about five A.M.! (If I was likely to find myself rushing for safety > on such short notice, I decided it would be better to do so in at > least a minimum of clothing.) Just keep a robe on a peg on the way out of the house? Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > Off the top of my head, because of lawyers we no longer have children's > pyjamas that are highly flammable and melt into the skin, and we no > longer have cars that explode upon slight impact. Maybe you miss them. > And insurance costs? Lawsuits are filed when insurance companies > refuse to pay claims under policies for which they have collected [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > doctor's mistake, and had to hire a lawyer to get a dime out of the > insurance policy *bought for that very purpose* is not the bad guy <clapping enthusiastically> BRAVA!! Thank you for this excellent post! > My DH is a lawyer; this is not the kind of work he does, but we know > better than to believe the lines currently being fed to the American > people by the demagogues, and which apparently the American people are > believing. In 2004, California voted to take away an ordinary person's right to bring a lawsuit against a company for committing potentially dangerous or damaging acts, such as dumping suspicious wastes into a river, or not having poor quality control for their food products. Now, the only person who can bring such a lawsuit is the state attorney general, who everyone knows is always an ally of the average consumer, as well as having scads of free time to do it all him- or herself. The only time an ordinary citizen can file suit against a corporation is if that person has *already* sustained actual damage from the company's actions. And by the way, "ordinary citizen" also means watchdog groups and consumer protection organizations - anyone who isn't the attorney general. The campaign for this proposition spun it as protecting hard-working little mom and pop businesses from greedy "shyster" lawyers - and the voting public bought it. But as you point out, they were already predisposed to believe it. So if people are still naively thinking that we're safe because "they" are watching out for us, well, it wasn't true to begin with, and now it's even less true than before. Joyce "Krista" <krista.mccrea@gmail.com> wrote in news:1141982551.965354.268440 @e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com: > Off the top of my head, because of lawyers we no longer have children's > pyjamas that are highly flammable and melt into the skin, and we no > longer have cars that explode upon slight impact. Maybe you miss them. <snip for brevity> Brava! Chak SignatureI would like at least one political party in this country to be willing to say that sex is fun and an important part of being human. --PZ Myers, http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/ >> Because of lawyers we no longer have: high diving boards at public pools >> (or public pools for that matter that will stay open without a lifeguard [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > people by the demagogues, and which apparently the American people are > believing. I don't want my next car to be a Pinto. Didn't mean to insult your DH. I'm sure he is an ethical, upstanding member of the bar association. And yes, there are plenty of things that were, and *should* have been, banned because they were harmful to us. But there are also a lot of things we can no longer enjoy because someone is afraid of being sued. And how much do you think is spent each year adding warning labels (like on irons that say, "Do not iron clothes while wearning them") to products that to any person with half a brain knows not to do just so companies can cover their a.s(ets). I don't think you can deny the fact that are plenty of "ambulance chasers" who are giving your husband's profession a bad name. I see commercials for them every few minutes. I didn't invent the fact that there are people out there, like burglars who sue the home owner because they were hurt in the commission of their crime, who want money for nothing. After all, it was centuries ago when Shakespeare quipped, "Let's kill all the lawyers.". BTW, my brother is a lawyer and taught law at Loyola for many years. http://www.thewavemag.com/pagegen.php?pagename=article&articleid=23607 SignatureHugs, CatNipped See all my masters at: http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped/ > ------ > Krista > Temporarily delurking > how much do you think is spent each year adding warning > labels (like on irons that say, "Do not iron clothes while wearning them") > to products that to any person with half a brain knows not to do just so > companies can cover their a.s(ets). Well, in fairness, not everyone who does something that seems incredibly stupid to most of us is actually a moron. Maybe they've never seen an iron before. I do agree, though, that this is more about covering the a.s(ets) (good play on words :)) than about protecting people. The funniest such warning I've ever seen was on one of those cardboard sun-blocker things that you stick inside your car's windshield when you park the car in the sun. It said, "Do not place in windshield while driving." :) > I don't think you can deny the fact that are plenty of "ambulance > chasers" who are giving your husband's profession a bad name. Of course there are greedy, unscrupulous lawyers. But lawyer-bashing doesn't make any distinction. How about all the lawyers who take on insurance companies, big polluters, and tobacco companies? The ones who represent people who've suffered discrimination? The ACLU, who's doing their best to keep the government from spying on everyone in the US? There really are people in the profession who care about getting justice for people who deserve it, and don't simply want to get rich. > I didn't invent the fact that there are people out there, like > burglars who sue the home owner because they were hurt in the > commission of their crime, who want money for nothing. Sure, but it wasn't just the lawyer who did this. It was also the plaintiff, the judge who chose to hear such a ridiculous case, and the jury who awarded the burglar. Joyce > I don't think you can deny the fact that are plenty of "ambulance chasers" > who are giving your husband's profession a bad name. (snipped) Of course there are bad lawyers, and even crooked lawyers; there are plenty who are out for nothing but to make a buck, whether legit or not. There are also mechanics who do unnecessary repairs, teachers who have sex with students, policemen who take payoffs from criminals, guards who abuse prisoners, and on and on, in every profession. Would you say these individuals give their entire professions a bad name? It's not the lawyers giving the profession a bad name, it's those who gain from the gullibility of people who are easily convinced by a sound bite or two that they know better than the jury that heard all the evidence leading to some publicized verdict. I don't think your frequent statement that overweight people are the subject of the last acceptable prejudice is correct. ------ Krista CatNipped wrote: >> I don't think you can deny the fact that are plenty of "ambulance >> chasers" [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > subject of the last acceptable prejudice is correct. > Krista In today's headlines: male nurse convicted & sentenced to many years in prison for murdering patients over period of years with a heart drug. How's that for a "caregiver"? You sure don't hear about that every day.... But if I had a reason to go up against a huge entity or employer legally, there is no way I'd do so w/o a law firm. Please be kind to we who are overweight. Some of us are in same class as great beauties mourning their aging faces; we didn't always look like this. My DIL was speechless when she saw pics of me bikini-clad in former years.I had a killer bod then. it didn't sink in before that when I told her, "didn't always look like this"..Life goes on. > Please be kind to we who are overweight. Some of us are in same > class as great beauties mourning their aging faces; we didn't always > look like this. My DIL was speechless when she saw pics of me > bikini-clad in former years.I had a killer bod then. it didn't sink > in before that when I told her, "didn't always look like this"..Life > goes on. Part of my current therapy is trying to learn to love my body, period. Regardless of what it looks like. The point being that no matter how beautiful and in-shape your body is, eventually there will be signs of wear and tear. Or you'll be in an accident and lose your legs, or get cancer and lose a breast. You just don't know. So everyone needs to learn to love themselves as-is. It's hard. It's so easy to think, "I'll love my body once <xyz> happens" ... Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > Part of my current therapy is trying to learn to love my body, period. That's one of the things I love about yoga. Our teacher reminds us to practice yoga with non-violence and loving care for our bodies. SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com >> I don't think you can deny the fact that are plenty of "ambulance >> chasers" [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] |
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