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Bird flu getting closer and killed a cat...

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Hans Schrøder - 03 Mar 2006 00:01 GMT
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/conditions/02/28/birdflu.german.cat/index.html

The bird flu, also known as the H5N1 virus has reached Sweden, so I guess it
won't take long before it gets to Norway, as well. In Germany a cat is dead
from the virus, apparently from eating a dead, sick bird. Several cat owners
have contacted the authorities about getting rid of their cats...

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CatNipped - 03 Mar 2006 00:08 GMT
> http://edition.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/conditions/02/28/birdflu.german.cat/index.html
>
> The bird flu, also known as the H5N1 virus has reached Sweden, so I guess
> it won't take long before it gets to Norway, as well. In Germany a cat is
> dead from the virus, apparently from eating a dead, sick bird. Several cat
> owners have contacted the authorities about getting rid of their cats...

That's sad.  What would be so hard about just keeping them inside away from
infected birds?

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Adrian - 03 Mar 2006 10:24 GMT
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/conditions/02/28/birdflu.german.cat/index.html

> The bird flu, also known as the H5N1 virus has reached Sweden, so I
> guess it
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> owners
> have contacted the authorities about getting rid of their cats...

The thing that worries me the most is, peoples irrational reaction to cats
under these circumstances. I'm sure it's going to cause a lot of needless
suffering. :-(
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Matthew AKA NMR ( NO MORE RETAIL ) - 03 Mar 2006 18:40 GMT
Remember the dark ages cats were associated with witches  they were burned
with the witches  which led to a rat over population which led to the black
plague ( close enough)
Cheryl Perkins - 03 Mar 2006 19:17 GMT
"Matthew AKA NMR \( NO MORE RETAIL \)" <10 points a troll @linethetrollsup.com> wrote:
> Remember the dark ages cats were associated with witches  they were burned
> with the witches  which led to a rat over population which led to the black
> plague ( close enough)

Do you have a cite for this? Most of the witch trials came in the early
modern period, long after the dark ages, and IIRC, quite a while after the
Black Death.

A very interesting book on the topic is Cohen's 'Europe's Inner Demons :
The Demonization of Christians in Medieval Christendom' which I see is out
in a newer edition than the one I read.

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Matthew AKA NMR ( NO MORE RETAIL ) - 03 Mar 2006 20:39 GMT
http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/plague.htm
> "Matthew AKA NMR \( NO MORE RETAIL \)" <10 points a troll
> @linethetrollsup.com> wrote:
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> The Demonization of Christians in Medieval Christendom' which I see is out
> in a newer edition than the one I read.

There is a good book to read ancient mysteries revealed I forgot the author.
they have a reference about why there was so many people hysterical at the
time of the witch trial.  It was about a foreign body being present in the
type of grain that was being used  most poor people were using the grain to
make there bread.  The bacteria ran wild due to weather conditions and water
levels flooding the fields.  It is believed to have caused paranoia and
general craziness allowing mass hysteria to prevail.  Weird play out
scenario

I said close enough it was not meant as an exact reference. :-)  It was
meant as a reference for people and associated cats with a problem or a
disease  but there is reference to it being an black plague great epidemic
in the  late 1600's
http://www.abc.net.au/science/features/blackdeath/default.htm - a general
reference

I know the Salem witch trials in 1600's ( general time ) to many reason
suspected for people acting they way they did during that time.

the black plague was referenced in the 1300's till present day
the black death was in the 1300's  I believe between 1340 and 1360

The Dark Ages. That's one of the terms used to describe nearly 1000 years of
history-a history that is often hard to understand due to a lack of
surviving documents, and often is clouded by myth and legends.  Just a
general term used nothing special to many historians have no agreement on
when and where this started or ended
Cheryl Perkins - 04 Mar 2006 14:56 GMT
"Matthew AKA NMR \( NO MORE RETAIL \)" <10 points a troll @linethetrollsup.com> wrote:

> There is a good book to read ancient mysteries revealed I forgot the author.
> they have a reference about why there was so many people hysterical at the
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> general craziness allowing mass hysteria to prevail.  Weird play out
> scenario

Ergot, I believe. I don't think it's a bacteria, but it does cause
hallucinations and is believed to occur naturally in grains in bad
conditions, as you describe.

The author of the book I cited blames a lot of the witch hunts on mass
hysteria, and argues that whether or not they occurred depended a lot on
who was swept up in the hysteria. If the local lords (religious or
secular) got caught up in it, it went to extraordinary extents. If it was
only the peasants, it didn't. He cites one example in which the local lord
realized that the hysteria was reaching such an extent in one town that
trade was being totally disrupted. He sent a representative to sit in on
all witch trials. Convictions dropped instantly.

Then there were some authors who liked a good story, and actually invented
some of the witch hunt stories out of whole cloth - and those stories were
later cited as evidence.

It's a fascinating topic, all the more so

> I said close enough it was not meant as an exact reference. :-)  It was
> meant as a reference for people and associated cats with a problem or a
> disease  but there is reference to it being an black plague great epidemic
> in the  late 1600's
> http://www.abc.net.au/science/features/blackdeath/default.htm - a general
> reference

I hadn't heard before that a virus which could be transmitted
person-to-person, rather than the bacteria and the rat/flea/human route,
was suspected. That's interesting.

I was thinking about the first, great plague in the 1300s, although of
course I know there have been others since, and there are still plague
cases today.

> I know the Salem witch trials in 1600's ( general time ) to many reason
> suspected for people acting they way they did during that time.

Yeah, early modern. People always talk about witchhunts as being medieval,
but in fact, they were mostly during the early modern period when a lot of
the changes that underly our present society were beginning. It was a very
disturbed period, of course, with changes in all kinds of things. Maybe
that made it easier for such hysterical outbreaks like the witchhunts to
occur.

>  the black plague was referenced in the 1300's till present day
> the black death was in the 1300's  I believe between 1340 and 1360

> The Dark Ages. That's one of the terms used to describe nearly 1000 years of
> history-a history that is often hard to understand due to a lack of
> surviving documents, and often is clouded by myth and legends.  Just a
> general term used nothing special to many historians have no agreement on
> when and where this started or ended

If you want to stir up something, go to soc.history.medieval and ask
whether the dark ages existed, and if so, when! I tend to put it between
around 500 and 1000, very approximately, but I know some people get very
upset at the term itself, pointing out that the period was no 'darker'
than any other; we just lack much in the way of records about it. And of
course, whether or not there was a lot of violence, political instability
etc. rather depends on which bit of Europe you are talking about at which
time.

I like history.
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John F. Eldredge - 04 Mar 2006 16:24 GMT
>"Matthew AKA NMR \( NO MORE RETAIL \)" <10 points a troll @linethetrollsup.com> wrote:
>
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>hallucinations and is believed to occur naturally in grains in bad
>conditions, as you describe.

According to the article in Wikipedia, ergot is the common name for
about 50 species of fungus that grow on certain grains and grasses,
with rye as the most common host.  In addition to containing lysergic
acid (a raw material used in the synthesis of LSD), it also contains
chemicals that can constrict blood vessels to the point of allowing
gangrene infections.  Controlled doses of ergot were once used to
induce abortions and to control maternal bleeding after childbirth.

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Monique Y. Mudama - 04 Mar 2006 16:25 GMT
> If you want to stir up something, go to soc.history.medieval and ask
> whether the dark ages existed, and if so, when! I tend to put it
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> of violence, political instability etc. rather depends on which bit
> of Europe you are talking about at which time.

Well, the times that have few records *are* dark to us, ie, we can't
see them.  Perhaps the "opaque times" would be a better term =P

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Matthew AKA NMR ( NO MORE RETAIL ) - 04 Mar 2006 17:19 GMT
I love history  specaily something we are not to know about it always seems
to be wrote by the wrong person.
Hence the King James Version, america slaughtering the native americans ,
the french indian war etc etc.
 
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