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Marina - 18 Feb 2006 03:34 GMT
I took Miranda and Caliban in for their final (I hope) ringworm test.
it's pretty cold here (-10 C + wind chill factor making it -20 C (15 -
-5 F)) and I put a woolly blankie in each cat's carrier.

Miranda was the perfect angel as usual. She weighed the same as in
January, so she's definitely stopped growing now. She's a long but
skinny 3.4 kilos (about 7.5 lbs).

Then came Caliban's turn. When I lifted his carrier onto the examination
 table, we heard a lot of hissing coming from inside it. What the...?
Poor Caliban seemed very upset, but I don't see why. He's only gone in
for ringworm tests lately, and they are certainly not painful: TED just
brushes him for a few minutes with this little brush like a toothbrush.
But Caliban was upset about something. When I left TED's office, I could
feel him shivering in his Sherpa bag. Poor little boy!

"Little" boy indeed. Caliban weighed 5.1 kilos (10.3 lbs) now, so he's
put on about half a kilo since January. He's only about 10 months old,
so he's still growing. TED said definitely don't give him kitten food
any more. ;o) She's worried that he's starting to put on some of that
neutered-tom flab. I cut back his food a little, and he seemed quite
content anyway. Such a happy little chappie.

Now I'll just have to wait two weeks again to hear the final verdict on
the ringworm.

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Cheryl Sellner - 18 Feb 2006 04:24 GMT
> I took Miranda and Caliban in for their final (I hope) ringworm
> test. it's pretty cold here (-10 C + wind chill factor making it
> -20 C (15 - -5 F)) and I put a woolly blankie in each cat's
> carrier.

Good luck with the ringworm diagnosis!  Rhett was full grown earlier
than a year, but I didn't feed them kitten food regularly at all once
they came here. There just aren't good ones out there, and some
"maintenance" foods have enough fat content to be kitten food.

I'm so pleased to read that Mir weighs such a good bit! Scarlett
started out like her, and she's now just about 9 pounds, but she's so
long and skinny, it really doesn't show.  I worried so much about her
in the early months. Caliban reminds me of Rhett, so big ... Rhett is
nearly 15 pounds.  :))  

Good luck with the ringworm test!  Maybe all the trips to the little
OUT have helped to kill it.

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Victor Martinez - 18 Feb 2006 05:44 GMT
> I took Miranda and Caliban in for their final (I hope) ringworm test.
> it's pretty cold here (-10 C + wind chill factor making it -20 C (15 -
> -5 F)) and I put a woolly blankie in each cat's carrier.

That's nothing! My SIL emailed yesterday from Bismarck, North Dakota
saying it was -28 C with a wind chill of -40!!! I'm so glad I don't live
there. :)

> But Caliban was upset about something. When I left TED's office, I could
> feel him shivering in his Sherpa bag. Poor little boy!

Awww... poor baby!

> any more. ;o) She's worried that he's starting to put on some of that
> neutered-tom flab. I cut back his food a little, and he seemed quite
> content anyway. Such a happy little chappie.

Do they sell Innova Evo over there? It doesn't have any grains, so it's
better for the cats.

> Now I'll just have to wait two weeks again to hear the final verdict on
> the ringworm.

Purrs for it to be over with.

Scritches to the most photogenic kitties on that side of the pond. :)

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Marina - 18 Feb 2006 06:39 GMT
>> I took Miranda and Caliban in for their final (I hope) ringworm test.
>> it's pretty cold here (-10 C + wind chill factor making it -20 C (15 -
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> saying it was -28 C with a wind chill of -40!!! I'm so glad I don't live
> there. :)

I was more worried about the cats than myself. :o) I forgot to tell the
rest of the story about the woolly blankies. When we got home, I left
the carriers open on the floor and with the blankies inside. But as we
know from experience, Miranda has some very fixed ideas about where
those blankies should be. Sure enough, in the morning I found the purple
blankie in the shower and the red blankie under my bed. :oP

> Do they sell Innova Evo over there? It doesn't have any grains, so it's
> better for the cats.

I can't find it on any Finnish webpages, so probably not. Is it a dry
food? I only give him a few pieces of dry food in the evening as a
treat, and it's Waltham's Sensitivity Control formula, which doesn't
contain grains (unless tapioca is a grain, I don't really know what it
is, never seen tapioca here). Otherwise Caliban eats only premium wet
food (and any meat he manages to pilfer from Miranda).

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Debbie Wilson - 18 Feb 2006 08:26 GMT
> (unless tapioca is a grain, I don't really know what it
> is, never seen tapioca here)

Hi Marina - It's a root, so nothing to worry about:
http://www.desert-tropicals.com/Plants/Euphorbiaceae/Manihot_esculenta.h
tml
(watch the line wrap)

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Marina - 18 Feb 2006 09:41 GMT
>>(unless tapioca is a grain, I don't really know what it
>>is, never seen tapioca here)
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> tml
> (watch the line wrap)

<lightbulb goes on over head>
Oh, cassava, OK.

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Karen - 18 Feb 2006 16:44 GMT
>>> (unless tapioca is a grain, I don't really know what it is, never seen
>>> tapioca here)
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> <lightbulb goes on over head>
> Oh, cassava, OK.

Tapioca is cassava? Wow. I didn't know that.
badwilson - 19 Feb 2006 03:06 GMT
>>>> (unless tapioca is a grain, I don't really know what it is, never
>>>> seen tapioca here)
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Tapioca is cassava? Wow. I didn't know that.

It's made from cassava.  It has to go through a bunch of processing,
etc.  But the raw material is cassava.  There are cassava fields all
around where I live in Thailand and down the street is the tapioca
factory.
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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 19 Feb 2006 07:46 GMT
> > Tapioca is cassava? Wow. I didn't know that.

> It's made from cassava.  It has to go through a bunch of processing,
> etc.  But the raw material is cassava.  There are cassava fields all
> around where I live in Thailand and down the street is the tapioca
> factory.

Does the cassava grow in those little balls? :) Seriously, is that its
natural shape, or is that what happens in the processing plant?

Joyce
badwilson - 19 Feb 2006 11:47 GMT
>>> Tapioca is cassava? Wow. I didn't know that.
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Joyce

That must be what they turn it into at the processing plant because
cassava is pretty much like a sweet potato.  It looks just like a sweet
potato or yam (can't ever tell them apart), bigger than a regular
potato, longer and kind of pointy on the ends.  The above ground part of
the plant grows quite high, up to 6 feet, and has these pointy leaves
that remind me of pot.
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John F. Eldredge - 21 Feb 2006 22:44 GMT
>>>> Tapioca is cassava? Wow. I didn't know that.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>the plant grows quite high, up to 6 feet, and has these pointy leaves
>that remind me of pot.

Also, the cassava plant is poisonous until processed.  According to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassava, some varieties merely require
cooking, whereas other varieties, with up to 50 times more of the
cyanogenic glucosides (which convert to cyanide in the presence of an
enzyme found in the plant) require grinding into flour, a repeated
soaking in water/squeezing dry process, and finally toasting.

Whoever worked out how to make cassava edible must have been doing so
under famine conditions, given that early attempts were probably still
poisonous after being cooked.

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Victor Martinez - 18 Feb 2006 13:53 GMT
> know from experience, Miranda has some very fixed ideas about where
> those blankies should be. Sure enough, in the morning I found the purple
> blankie in the shower and the red blankie under my bed. :oP

She's such a decorating kitty!

> I can't find it on any Finnish webpages, so probably not. Is it a dry
> food? I only give him a few pieces of dry food in the evening as a

They have both canned and dry food. I wish our cats loved the wet food
as much as they love the dry food, specially Fez and Rufous. Those guys
just don't like canned food for some reason. They eat a little of it,
but they mostly eat kibble. :(

> treat, and it's Waltham's Sensitivity Control formula, which doesn't
> contain grains (unless tapioca is a grain, I don't really know what it
> is, never seen tapioca here). Otherwise Caliban eats only premium wet
> food (and any meat he manages to pilfer from Miranda).

Well, he's growing just fine. :) Our vet also recommended we took
Quetzie (RB) off from kitten food when he was about 10 months old. He
was getting big.

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 18 Feb 2006 07:33 GMT
> That's nothing! My SIL emailed yesterday from Bismarck, North Dakota
> saying it was -28 C with a wind chill of -40!!!

-40 is the only Fahrenheit temperature that I automatically know how to
express in Centigrade. :)

And that's COLD!!!

Joyce, in temperate Northern California
polonca12000 - 19 Feb 2006 10:27 GMT
> I took Miranda and Caliban in for their final (I hope) ringworm test.
<snip>
> Now I'll just have to wait two weeks again to hear the final verdict on
> the ringworm.

We are sending lots of purrs and best wishes that this really is the
last ringworm test,
Polonca and Soncek

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