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Christina Websell - 14 Feb 2006 18:51 GMT
Both my cats arrived as strays, although KFC had deliberately moved out from
a neighbour's house, so that's a moot point.
Both of them gobbled up any food I provided and enjoyed it.  Supermarket own
brand was delicious. Disappeared in a trice.  Yummy!

When I decided that they really wanted to stay here with me I thought as a
responsible cat owner (new to this) I ought to feed them on a better food
than own brand cheapie stuff.
So I did.  I moved them on to a good branded tin.  This was okay for a
while.  Then it got on to "didn't we have this same flavour yesterday? we
don't want that one now."
It's got worse now because when I became so ill and had to be in hospital I
thought it would be easier for my neighbour to feed them if I provided
pouches of one serving.  This was a big mistake.
Pouches are more palatable.  They will not go back to tins now and pouches
are twice as expensive.
Now we have got into  "I don't want to eat the turkey pouch, I wanted the
lamb one."  They have both refused to eat what they don't think they want
for the last week or so.  They are not ill, they have become too well fed.
At first I took up the refused food and substituted it with another that
they * did* want and hoovered up greedily and put their refused food in for
the poultry, who gobble it up very enthusiastically.

Then I thought "hang on a minute, who is being made a fool of here?"
Most of you will have experienced cats insisting on food increasing towards
the desire for salmon, steak etc.  Let me know how (and if) you got them
back on to regular food.
It is not going to happen for KFC & BF that they will have very expensive
food.  I cannot afford it now my hours are reduced at work.

This is my plan.  They will get tinned Felix or Whiskas or go without.  I
will *not* play the food game. " Oh, this is not exactly what I wanted, get
me something else" It might mean they will get a bit hungry.  Good.  They
will then eat what I give them or go without.  I mean it.

Tweed
Dan M - 14 Feb 2006 19:16 GMT
> This is my plan.  They will get tinned Felix or Whiskas or go without.  I
> will *not* play the food game. " Oh, this is not exactly what I wanted, get
> me something else" It might mean they will get a bit hungry.  Good.  They
> will then eat what I give them or go without.  I mean it.
>
> Tweed

Good luck!

For the longest time my bunch was wild about Shrimp and Tuna. Nothing
would do but Shrimp and Tuna canned food. If I made the dastardly error of
putting out Salmon Entree or Beef Shreds, they would all sniff the food
and maybe eat a couple of bites, then go chow down on the kibble.

Now, though, they've decided that Shrimp and Tuna is no longer their
ideal. If I put down Shrimp and Tuna, Harri and Ranger go eat kibble while
the others eat the canned. If I put down Salmon Entree everybody but Harri
eats the canned. If I put down Tuna Shreds, everybody but Ranger loves it.

So my solution is to rotate between the flavors and make sure I've got
kibble down for them.

Dan
Christina Websell - 14 Feb 2006 19:39 GMT
>> This is my plan.  They will get tinned Felix or Whiskas or go without.  I
>> will *not* play the food game. " Oh, this is not exactly what I wanted,
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>
> Dan

Boyfie would eat kibble all day and night, he loves it.  Maybe he was reared
on it.  As he is a boy I don't want him to get a urinary blockage through
eating a lot of dry food.  I only give him two tablespoons of it a day just
to keep him happy.
I want my cats to eat wet food as their main diet.  The wet food I offer is
of good quality.  If they don't want to eat it, they can just go hungry.  I
am absolutely not playing any sort of food game with them.  No "oh no, it's
chicken, I wanted beef."
My rule is this:  eat the good food I just gave you or go without.

Tweed
jmcquown - 14 Feb 2006 20:10 GMT
>>> This is my plan.  They will get tinned Felix or Whiskas or go
>>> without.  I will *not* play the food game. " Oh, this is not
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>
> Tweed

LOL  I wish more parents would institute this rule with their children.  My
parents never cooked special meals for us.  We ate what they ate.  If we
didn't like it, we weren't *forced* to eat it but we weren't allowed to
declare, without *ever having tasted* it, "I don't like that!"  Get hungry
enough, you'll eat.  Trust me :)

I do like the idea of mixing the pouch stuff in with the wet to gradually
wean the cats back to the tinned stuff.

Oddly, since Persia can't have her Fancy Feast anymore (due to crystalline
oxolate bladder stones), she doesn't want to eat wet food.  I bought a case
of the Hill's x/d canned for her and she'd eat it, but it wasn't her choice.
The vet told me it didn't matter which one she ate, but she has to stick to
that prescription diet or risk more UTI's and bladder stones.  She hoovers
up the dry kibble!

Jill
Christina Websell - 14 Feb 2006 20:57 GMT
>>>> This is my plan.  They will get tinned Felix or Whiskas or go
>>>> without.  I will *not* play the food game. " Oh, this is not
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> I do like the idea of mixing the pouch stuff in with the wet to gradually
> wean the cats back to the tinned stuff.

No. I won't do this.   If they will not eat the good cat food I provide they
are simply not hungry.  Neither of them have any special needs regarding
food.   They can go without if they sneer at the food that is in their
dishes.  I WILL NOT HAVE IT!  I will not feed them again until they have
eaten the perfectly nice food that is in their dishes.
PPPffff.  Cats? They will not get the better of me.

Tweed

> Oddly, since Persia can't have her Fancy Feast anymore (due to crystalline
> oxolate bladder stones), she doesn't want to eat wet food.  I bought a
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>
> Jill
Adrian - 15 Feb 2006 10:41 GMT
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> PPPffff.  Cats? They will not get the better of me.
>
> Tweed

Famous last words. ;o)
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CatNipped - 14 Feb 2006 22:11 GMT
>>> This is my plan.  They will get tinned Felix or Whiskas or go without.
>>> I
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>
> Tweed

But of course your two get to have fresh collared dove or field mice
whenever they don't like what you serve - I don't think they will go hungry!
;>

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Christina Websell - 15 Feb 2006 16:59 GMT
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> But of course your two get to have fresh collared dove or field mice
> whenever they don't like what you serve - I don't think they will go
> hungry! ;>

Yeah.  You spotted the hole in my cunning plan.
It's about making a stand really.  If either of them were ill, and off their
food because of that, there are no lengths or expense that I would not go to
to find or cook something that they would eat.
However, they are not ill, they are becoming what my grandmother used to
call "fine-mouthed."  This means that they only want to eat the best food
and turn up their nose at merely "good."
She had no patience with fine-mouthed people.  I have run out of patience
with my cats making frequent attempts to be the same.
We would all like to eat only the finest food - me included - but life is
not like that at Chez Websell.
I have a limited budget now I've had to reduce my working hours through bad
health.  We can manage well by being frugal, so this includes not
encouraging the kitties to hold out for gourmet grub.

It's going okay so far.  The rejected pouches were mainly eaten overnight
and the remainder went into the chicken bucket.
The new breakfast pouches have been only sampled, it is now 4.50 pm.
I think these ones are salmon.  God forbid I should expect my cats to eat
this!  Why, they had it only two weeks ago!
Poor cats.  Poor hungry cats.  I should be reported to the RSPCA immediately
for not providing freshly roasted breast of chicken (or trout, which they
inhale in 30 seconds.)

Tweed
Enfilade - 14 Feb 2006 22:35 GMT
> I want my cats to eat wet food as their main diet.  The wet food I offer is
> of good quality.  If they don't want to eat it, they can just go hungry.  I
> am absolutely not playing any sort of food game with them.  No "oh no, it's
> chicken, I wanted beef."
> My rule is this:  eat the good food I just gave you or go without.

I think there is no reason they shouldn't have the choice of either
eating what is offered, or doing without.  You're offering good
quality, nutritious food to them which they have eaten in the past to
no ill effect.

We have to be careful because Kumani will sometimes not be able to keep
her food down, and other times won't eat at all for days.  We have to
baby her a little so that she doesn't end up starving herself into
serious illness (she's done it before).  Fortunately, Hill's T/d
kibbles are great for her, and we haven't had any major problems in
almost two years.

Smokey is the only one who will eat all canned food with any
enthusiasm.  Tyche likes shredded or sliced kinds, and Nox will
occasionally try a mouthful but most often snubs it.  Kumani will
literally starve herself before she'll eat it.  Still, we put it down
because I want Smokey eating more moist foods to avoid urinary
problems.  We don't bother buying the pate kinds though, because Smokey
won't eat a whole tin of pate himself and no one else will eat any, so
it goes to waste.

--Fil

Who wonders about Kumani.  In intensive care, at the vet, refusing that
a/d canned medical recovery diet for days and days....then wolfing down
the Iams Kitten Kibble I brought in out of desperation.  So much for an
intensely palatable recovery food...Kumani despised it.
Lesley - 15 Feb 2006 13:57 GMT
So much for an
> intensely palatable recovery food...

Must be something like the stuff our vet hands out after spaying which
is claimed to be better for them if their "little tummies are a bit
delicate after the anaesthetic" as she puts it. I know at least 4 cats
done at our vets and only one of them (Wilma a friend's furball) even
nibbled it and then she spat it out. They all made it perfectly clear
that they wanted "proper" food rather than that "rubbish"!!!!
(Sarrasine raided the kibble bag)

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
Jo Firey - 15 Feb 2006 00:42 GMT
>>> This is my plan.  They will get tinned Felix or Whiskas or go without.
>>> I
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>
> Tweed

Last time around this was discussed I decided maybe our two should eat more
canned and less kibble.  That lasted about two days till both of them threw
up on the carpet.

We've had boy cats for nearly forty years now, and never a urinary problem.
We've always fed all or nearly all kibble.  I just buy the best kibble I can
find.

Really wouldn't do a lot of good to get too pushy with them as nearly every
house on the street puts out dry food for the cats so if they don't eat it
here, they have plenty of other choices.

There are about a dozen cats that have the run of the neighborhood,  each
with their own bit of turf to defend.  It doesn't seem like there are that
many and they spend most of their time in their own favorite hideouts, but I
can think of about that many I know and know their owners.

Jo
Christina Websell - 15 Feb 2006 18:32 GMT
>>>> This is my plan.  They will get tinned Felix or Whiskas or go without.
>>>> I
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> problem. We've always fed all or nearly all kibble.  I just buy the best
> kibble I can find.

I know a couple of people who have had their boy cats blocked up with
crystals in the urethra.  In both cases the vet said it was due to feeding
dry food exclusively.  I've also read articles on it on the internet.
Boyfie would eat kibble all the time, given a choice.  He really seems to
love it more than any other food.
I would like to give him his choice, but I don't think it's safe for him.  I
would rather err on the side of caution.  I do let him have some kibble, but
not much.
I love him very much, so I don't want to do anything that might compromise
his health.

Tweed
Debra Berry - 15 Feb 2006 15:59 GMT
> Boyfie would eat kibble all day and night, he loves it.  Maybe he was reared
> on it.  As he is a boy I don't want him to get a urinary blockage through
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Tweed

Tell them about the starving kitties in Africa.  That always helped me
to
eat stuff I didn't like when I was a kid (not).   :-)

Debbie
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Christina Websell - 15 Feb 2006 16:21 GMT
>> Boyfie would eat kibble all day and night, he loves it.  Maybe he was
>> reared
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> Debbie
> dberry@mitre.org

LOL,  I got told that too!  I immediately offered to send them my cabbage -
cooked grandmother style by boiling for 25 minutes until slimy..
I like cabbage now I cook it myself for a shorter time, tho'.

Tweed
Jane - 16 Feb 2006 18:06 GMT
>Boyfie would eat kibble all day and night, he loves it.  Maybe he was reared
>on it.  As he is a boy I don't want him to get a urinary blockage through
>eating a lot of dry food.  I only give him two tablespoons of it a day just
>to keep him happy.

Fin(RB) ate nothing BUT kibble for all of the time he was here.  I tried
to get him to eat wet food in vain, for years.  Finally I just gave up
and bought him the best quality dry food that I could afford (Nutro Max)
He was actually quite healthy and the vet loved him.  Yes, he had ONE
urinary blockage, but that was before I realized he needed the good dry
food.  From then on, he'd get grocery store dry food as a treat once in
a great while, but Nutro Max otherwise. He ate it.  He never touched
people food.  
However, he did die rather young, at 10 1/2.  Mysteriously, since he'd
just had a vet checkup 2 weeks earlier and was reported in 'excellent
health'.

Jane
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Janna - 14 Feb 2006 19:37 GMT
>This is my plan.  They will get tinned Felix or Whiskas or go without.  I
>will *not* play the food game. " Oh, this is not exactly what I wanted, get
>me something else" It might mean they will get a bit hungry.  Good.  They
>will then eat what I give them or go without.  I mean it.

How about mix a little of the pouch food into the canned and also put a bit
on top of the canned; then every day put in less and less of the pouch food
until all the cats are eating is the canned.  This is a slow transition
rather than an abrupt one so that no one stops eating and it is also easier
on their digestive system to change over to another food slowly like this.

Janna
Christina Websell - 14 Feb 2006 19:46 GMT
> >This is my plan.  They will get tinned Felix or Whiskas or go without.  I
>>will *not* play the food game. " Oh, this is not exactly what I wanted,
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Janna

Thanks for the idea.

Tweed
Christina Websell - 16 Feb 2006 01:17 GMT
> >This is my plan.  They will get tinned Felix or Whiskas or go without.  I
>>will *not* play the food game. " Oh, this is not exactly what I wanted,
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> easier
> on their digestive system to change over to another food slowly like this.

Thanks for the idea, but it is exactly the same food.  It comes in cans and
pouches.  Pouches are nicer, presumably because it's a fresh serving every
time. Unfortunately pouches work out twice as expensive if not more.
I would never have introduced my cats to pouches if I hadn't been ill and in
hospital and thought it would be easier for my neighbour to feed the kitties
with pouches rather than tins.  Sigh.
Getting them back to eating tinned is now proving quite a challenge. Even
the pouches are not quite good enough, if the flavour does not suit.  I've
made a stand about not refusing good food and at the moment it's going my
way.

Tweed
Monique Y. Mudama - 14 Feb 2006 21:20 GMT
> This is my plan.  They will get tinned Felix or Whiskas or go
> without.  I will *not* play the food game. " Oh, this is not exactly
> what I wanted, get me something else" It might mean they will get a
> bit hungry.  Good.  They will then eat what I give them or go
> without.  I mean it.

Well, they certainly won't starve.  But they might do even more damage
to the bird population ...

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Christina Websell - 14 Feb 2006 21:42 GMT
>> This is my plan.  They will get tinned Felix or Whiskas or go
>> without.  I will *not* play the food game. " Oh, this is not exactly
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Well, they certainly won't starve.  But they might do even more damage
> to the bird population ...

Kitty has retired for the winter beside the fire. It does not seem to matter
how many collared doves Boyfie catches (please note that he doesn't eat them
himself they are for Kitty) it seems to make no difference whatsoever to
their population.  They are a very successful species here and breed all the
year round.

Tweed
Karen - 14 Feb 2006 22:38 GMT
> Kitty has retired for the winter beside the fire.

I love this image. It's like "I'm going to Florida for the winter." "I'm
retiring to the fireside for the winter" in very airy tones.
Christina Websell - 16 Feb 2006 02:06 GMT
>> Kitty has retired for the winter beside the fire.
>
> I love this image. It's like "I'm going to Florida for the winter." "I'm
> retiring to the fireside for the winter" in very airy tones.

I'd like you to meet her.  She is so tiny and fierce.  She is now very old
and retiring to the fireside for the winter is a really good idea for her.
She can do airy tones.  She can be posh if necessary.
Winter is now okay, she has this amazing bed that keeps her warm and she
wonders why her meowmie never got her one before.

Tweed
Monique Y. Mudama - 14 Feb 2006 23:52 GMT
>> Well, they certainly won't starve.  But they might do even more
>> damage to the bird population ...
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> difference whatsoever to their population.  They are a very
> successful species here and breed all the year round.

That's good.  I just know that you aren't thrilled that they bird hunt
at all.

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CatNipped - 14 Feb 2006 22:09 GMT
> Both my cats arrived as strays, although KFC had deliberately moved out
> from a neighbour's house, so that's a moot point.
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>
> Tweed

Oh boy, am I the wrong person to ask!  My four get free fed Science Diet
Senior Advanced Formula kibbles (very pricey).  PLUS every twelve hours, on
the dot, they get a buffet of four flavors of Fancy Feast (FF) - FF Gourmet
Chicken Feast, FF Liver and Chicken Feast, FF Turkey and Giblets Feast, and
FF Tender Beef Feast (45 cents a can and they eat 8 cans a day!!).  PLUS
they get bits of fresh chicken or turkey, or whatever we have in the house.

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Yowie - 14 Feb 2006 23:13 GMT
"Christina Websell" <spamfree@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> No. I won't do this.   If they will not eat the good cat food I provide
they
> are simply not hungry.  Neither of them have any special needs regarding
> food.   They can go without if they sneer at the food that is in their
> dishes.  I WILL NOT HAVE IT!  I will not feed them again until they have
> eaten the perfectly nice food that is in their dishes.
> PPPffff.  Cats? They will not get the better of me.

Food goes off, gets infested or otherwise goes stale if left out. Please
dont insist that they finish whats in their bowls before you give them any
more.

If they don't eat it, fine. Don't give them any more until next feeding
time - but at least accept that cats have preferences just like we do, and
give them something different at the next meal. If its dry food left out, it
can't be left out indefinatley as it does go stale and the oils in them
start to putrify, so it needs to be changed at least once a day. If its wet
food, you can always put it back int he fridge after 10 minutes or so, and
bring it out later, but even so, you will need to throw it out fairly
quickly if it isn't eaten.

Yowie
meee - 15 Feb 2006 00:18 GMT
> Both my cats arrived as strays, although KFC had deliberately moved out
> from a neighbour's house, so that's a moot point.
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>
> Tweed

Been there recently.....the only thing that worked (Cougar was actually
losing weight because she wanted hoomin food not cat food) was tipping tuna
juice over the food I wanted her to eat. Try that. Then gradually reduce the
amount of tuna juice until they are eating normal food. And don't ever feed
them their preferred food again or you will have to start over. Good luck.
Bill Stock - 15 Feb 2006 00:35 GMT
> Both my cats arrived as strays, although KFC had deliberately moved out
> from a neighbour's house, so that's a moot point.
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
>
> Tweed

Ours are quite happy to eat kibble, no one cares for the pouches. They just
lick off the gravy and leave the bits. Of course they all like various
people foods, mostly chicken, although Cali has a thing for beef. The only
demand we can't ignore is Smokey's love of Cheddar. She stands in the
kitchen every day at lunch and YOWLS for the orange stuff. She's even
learned the word, which is scary for Smokems. :)
Cheryl Sellner - 15 Feb 2006 02:40 GMT
> This is my plan.  They will get tinned Felix or Whiskas or go
> without.  I will *not* play the food game. " Oh, this is not
> exactly what I wanted, get me something else" It might mean they
> will get a bit hungry.  Good.  They will then eat what I give
> them or go without.  I mean it.

I have the same problem with mine.  When the kittens came to live
with me, I swore they were eating nothing but quality canned food.
For the first couple of months, they happily ate what I gave them.
Something happened, and I blame Shamrock and Bonnie. Rhett
discovered crunchy food again (his first food was Kitten Chow) and
he won't eat much canned food any more. Miss Scarlett, she's like
yours - "I just ate that, I can't eat it again!".  Bonnie, well,
she is a dry food junkie but the only canned she'll eat is a few
mouthfuls of Wellness Turkey.  She'll look for it and holler if I
don't provide it, but won't eat all of it.

Shamrock and Scarlett are my two that consistently eat canned for
two meals a day. But, they like variety. That's why I've settled on
mostly Fancy Feast for canned. Big variety, small cans (so I don't
have to try to save leftovers just to throw it out).

For breakfast, they get either turkey or chicken, grilled variety
Fancy Feast (shredded) or they get Pro Plan chicken and rice. (also
shredded consistency). Every day, its one of those foul flavors.  
The only meal where it doesn't have to be a variety. For supper, I
give them a variety, sort of a buffet, 2 small tins. It all gets
eaten, even if the two prefer one dish rather than eat the other.
Sometimes I have to split up a favorite between two bowls (or three
if Rhett decides he wants some) and leave the one that wasn't the
favorite for when the other is gone. They always eat it, even if
eaten later. I don't leave it out more than a few hours, but the
breakfast I have to leave when I go to work. No one has gotten sick
from eating turned food.

Bonnie is my biggest mystery. She prefers dry food, but the brand I
want her to eat must get rancid quicker than cheap brands. Cheap
brands use more preservatives, and ingredients and coatings that
must be more palitable to a cats taste, but aren't as healthy.
Bonnie was raised on cheap food because she was a feral eating from
a feeding station I set up that winter. Her dry food these days is
California Natural, and I buy 8 pound bags. I vaccum seal several
containers when I buy a new bag (she's the only one that eats it)
and freeze the containers, and only keep out about a weeks worth at
a time in a sealed container. When it gets close to being gone (in
a couple of months) it gets to where she won't touch it. It must go
bad even frozen and in airtight containers. Yet, she's the only one
who'll eat canned food (ONLY Wellness Turkey) that's been opened
and refrigerated, and is a leftover.

Cats. I'll never figure 'em out. I'll do what I can to keep them
eating, though. I never want to go through an experience of hepatic
lipidosis again. No, I doubt a healthy cat will get it. But since
they're so stoic, it's hard to tell if they aren't healthy
sometimes.

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